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Title: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Iconodule on November 20, 2017, 01:47:58 PM
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The head of the Russian Orthodox church, Patriarch Kirill, said Monday that the end of the world is approaching, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency reports.

Following a service at the Christ the Savior Cathedral in central Moscow, Kirill told congregants that the coming apocalypse "is already visible to the naked eye.”

According to Kirill, society can unite to prevent the world from slipping into “the abyss of the end of history."

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/birthday-russia-orthodox-church-end-of-history-59626

Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Mor Ephrem on November 20, 2017, 02:05:56 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: DeniseDenise on November 20, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.


hand or marionette?
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Antonis on November 20, 2017, 02:47:33 PM
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BEJEB7/giant-bishop-puppet-during-st-albans-albantide-pilgrimage-BEJEB7.jpg

The stuff of nightmares.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Hawkeye on November 20, 2017, 02:48:02 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.

No, you're right. The word for "puppet" (кукла) is very similar to the word for "koukoulion" (куколь), and a cursory glance makes me think they descend from the same root.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: DeniseDenise on November 20, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.

No, you're right. The word for "puppet" (кукла) is very similar to the word for "koukoulion" (куколь), and a cursory glance makes me think they descend from the same root.


spoilsport....it was more fun imagining him being handed a giant puppet and trying to figure out what to think of it or do with it
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Iconodule on November 20, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
And I thought we were seeing the start of a daring new approach to Orthodox homiletics.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Alpha60 on November 20, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
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The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.

No, you're right. The word for "puppet" (кукла) is very similar to the word for "koukoulion" (куколь), and a cursory glance makes me think they descend from the same root.


spoilsport....it was more fun imagining him being handed a giant puppet and trying to figure out what to think of it or do with it

Indeed.  The thought of His Holiness with a bewildered expression surveying one of the giant paper mache puppets of doom Catholics and Episcopalians like to use in their services was amusing.

I read on an Orthodox website a blistering condemnation of the use of such giant puppets in the liturgy, derived from the use of this kind of puppet to mock Russian Orthodox clergy and other Czarist authority figures in the wake of the Bolshevik Revolution.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: augustin717 on November 20, 2017, 06:42:55 PM
And I thought we were seeing the start of a daring new approach to Orthodox homiletics.
or voodoo ecumenism.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Agabus on November 20, 2017, 06:53:01 PM
And I thought we were seeing the start of a daring new approach to Orthodox homiletics.

A Russian version of the creepy giant puppet Masses you see in videos of conventions of the Mainline.
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: rakovsky on November 20, 2017, 08:14:40 PM
Okay, so this is not that unusual; what really got my attention was this bit at the end:
Quote
The Patriarch himself is approaching his own finitude, having turned 71 years old today.

To mark the occasion, the Patriarch was gifted a puppet of Saint Tikhon, who headed the Russian church a century ago, the Interfax news agency reports.

I don't speak Russian, but if you follow the links and don't go for the automatic translation, it seems "puppet" may be a (bad) translation of "koukoulion", the patriarchal headdress.

Edit: I could very well be wrong.

No, you're right. The word for "puppet" (кукла) is very similar to the word for "koukoulion" (куколь), and a cursory glance makes me think they descend from the same root.
It says
копию куколя (головного убора - ИФ) и мантии святителя Тихона

A copy of the head gear and mantia
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Asteriktos on November 20, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
So the integrity of Orthodox polemics against Catholic clown masses remains intact! Glory to God!
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Mor Ephrem on November 20, 2017, 08:51:16 PM
So the integrity of Orthodox polemics against Catholic clown masses remains intact! Glory to God!

Abba Hezekiah's intercessions are kind to us today!
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Asteriktos on November 21, 2017, 12:04:43 AM
So the integrity of Orthodox polemics against Catholic clown masses remains intact! Glory to God!

Abba Hezekiah's intercessions are kind to us today!

The diabolical atheists in the secular media will stop at nothing in their attempt to tear the garment of Christ apart. Little do they know that the garment is made of mithril and is thus impervious to their wicked schemes!
Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Gunnarr on November 23, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
Society can unite to end the apocolypse? I think that is wrong

Title: Re: Head of Russian Orthodox Church Warns of 'the End of History'
Post by: Porter ODoran on November 23, 2017, 03:33:17 PM
Society can unite to end the apocolypse? I think that is wrong

Yeah this seems like a fairly secular take on the subject. Apocolypse should mean more than "bad times because mankind couldn't get along." But maybe something was lost in translation.