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Title: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Justionios on May 28, 2005, 11:21:43 AM
IS here anyone that have seen the snakes of Kefalonia ?
Wich date did you see them ?

Thanks for you who answeer
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: eleni on May 28, 2005, 11:54:37 AM
Hi justionios ,

Yes a few yrs back on video....
It's a miracle what happens!

At the time of the Mother of God's name day the snakes are harmless.....cannot remember much but found a link..

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:h3pIVXhejeYJ:dejnarde.ms11.net/snake.htm+snakes+of+kefalonia&hl=en&start=4

CHRIST IS RISEN
I.X
helen...
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Justionios on May 28, 2005, 01:59:32 PM
Lord is truley risen !
Thank you Eleni , for that you are always will willing to help.

 Do you now if the snakes are comming with Gregorain or the Julian calender ?

 Lord have mercy on us
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: TomS on May 28, 2005, 02:11:55 PM
My wife's uncle grew up on Cephalonia and says this is a bunch of nonsense. It is an island religious tradition with absolutely no basis in fact.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Αριστοκλής on May 29, 2005, 02:47:16 AM
My wife's uncle grew up on Cephalonia and says this is a bunch of nonsense. It is an island religious tradition with absolutely no basis in fact.

Interesting. My father lived for several years between the big wars on Kefalonia while he was in his mid-teens. He's never mentioned this at all. I must ask him.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Justionios on May 29, 2005, 04:54:11 AM
My wife's uncle grew up on Cephalonia and says this is a bunch of nonsense. It is an island religious tradition with absolutely no basis in fact.

Lord have mercy , maybe your wifes uncle never went to see the miracle ?
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Ecumenical on May 29, 2005, 09:26:38 AM
For Christ sake you call this thing a nonsense`? So thousands of people seeing this must either be blind or stupid. Very sad to hear such stuff this is a miracle and still we choose to be Thomas.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: TomS on May 29, 2005, 10:31:42 AM
For Christ sake you call this thing a nonsense`? So thousands of people seeing this must either be blind or stupid.

Thousands of people? Really? Have you talked to any of these witnesses?

And I would not call these people "blind or stupid". "Hoodwinked" would probably be a more accurate term.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Ebor on May 29, 2005, 12:13:12 PM
For Christ sake you call this thing a nonsense`? So thousands of people seeing this must either be blind or stupid. Very sad to hear such stuff this is a miracle and still we choose to be Thomas.

How do you *know* this? Have you been there and seen it yourself? Have you spoken to people you know who have been there? Or is the only exposure a cached web page?

A good general rule for any information is: What is the source of said information? Is it a Primary source? Secondary? Tertiary?
http://www.uscupstate.edu/library/LibraryPathfinders/PrimarySources/sources-home.html

Is it a translation? If so, how good was the translator?

TomS has a uncle-in-law to whom he has spoken in person.

Doing a bit of google myself out of curisosity here is another view from http://kefhelm.tripod.com/2ndSiteNewLayout/hotspots/hotspots.htm

Markopoulo & Arginia: High on the hill top above the resort of Katelios between August 6th and 15th small harmless snakes have been making their appearance for centuries in the church of Panayia of Langouvarda and in the village of Arginia higher up the slopes of Mount Ainos. The original church of Langouvarda was burned in 1945 and completely destroyed in the earthquakes of 1953. From the night of August 6th 'telescopus fallax' known as the cat snake appears in and around the church's courtyard, walls and bell tower. The inhabitants of the villages consider them to be holy, collecting these harmless creatures and setting them in front of the silver icon of the 'Virgin of the Snakes'. After the festival on the 15th August these honoured guests leave until the same time next year. Some say it's a miracle, whilst others believe the wet damp route that runs from the fresh water spring in Arginia down the ravine to Markopoulo is a migratory path. Locals consider their presence as a good omen for the coming year. During the German occupation in the second world war and the earthquake of 1953 the snakes failed to appear.
 
(emphasis added)


and the snake in question "Telescopus Fallax", the European Cat Snake is
"is a semi-venomous snake, although not dangerous to humans."

http://www2.pms-lj.si/exhibitions/snakes_why.html

Ebor
 
 
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: emmanuelmelo on May 30, 2005, 07:46:45 PM
As a proud son of Kefalonia, I would love to reply to this post.

The truth is, one does not know whether the snakes are real.ÂÂ  It is said that during the Turkish Occupation of the Island, a group of nuns were in danger of being raped by Turkish soldiers.ÂÂ  After praying to God, they were turned into a bunch of snakes.ÂÂ  

This is definitely NOT the most religiously fascinating part of the Island.ÂÂ  Rather, it is Saint Gerasimos of Kefalonia (Intercede for us).ÂÂ  I only have stories from my grandparents- but even to this day St. Gerasimos is a patron saint of those possessed.ÂÂ  During his feast day they move the body over those possessed by the Devil and those that are mentally ill.ÂÂ  Many are healed.ÂÂ  My grandfather used to say that young girls broke through iron chains to get away from the body (those that were possessed).ÂÂ  Those that were brought to the Church were put in a separate room on the side of the Church, where they could hear but not see the Liturgy.ÂÂ  Howls were heard in the Church around the most important parts of the Divine Liturgy.ÂÂ  Also, when a demon was expelled, it had the permission to break one thing in the church.ÂÂ  Stories of glass candles exploding or windows imploding were seen when someone was finally freed.

So as one can see- St. Gerasimos is much more fascinating than a bunch of snakes- but God works in mysterious ways!
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Νεκτάριος on May 30, 2005, 09:45:32 PM
I didn't have a chance to go to Kephalonia or not during my time in Greece (perhaps I will in the coming years, who knows), but I agree that there are greater religous sights to see, such as the relics of Saint Gerasimos :
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: emmanuelmelo on December 11, 2005, 08:41:09 PM
Has anyone been to Kefalonia in the past two years? 
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on October 07, 2008, 07:22:51 PM
Yep, you read that right.  I'm not sure what to think about this interesting story.  I kind of feel bad for the snakes being handled so much, but, if they're from our Lady Theotokos, then they probably enjoy their time with us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvSsOxZfWvk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Za9-uX4b8&feature=related
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Quinault on October 07, 2008, 08:10:56 PM
I don't know what to think either. That is interesting.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: ialmisry on October 07, 2008, 11:23:41 PM
Yep, you read that right.  I'm not sure what to think about this interesting story.  I kind of feel bad for the snakes being handled so much, but, if they're from our Lady Theotokos, then they probably enjoy their time with us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvSsOxZfWvk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Za9-uX4b8&feature=related

Orthodox snake handlers?

If this is to be explained, I would think it would be the New Eve reversing the relationship with the serpent. IF I saw correctly, they appear on the Transfiguration, when the New Adam revealed the foretaste of the New Creation.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: ozgeorge on October 08, 2008, 07:55:58 AM
The church is near the ruins of an old convent. When a band of pirates landed, the nuns sang the Paraklesis to the Theotokos, begging her to deliver the island and protect them. The Theotokos sent a swarm of snakes with painful bites which drove the pirates off. Since then, these small snakes come annually to the church and seem to venerate the icon of the Theotokos by crawling on to it. These snakes have a marking of the Cross on their heads. I've mentioned this miracle three times on the forum, and posted video links, but you all wisely ignore this old windbag. :D
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: EofK on October 08, 2008, 09:15:08 AM
^I thought that sounded familiar.  ;)  It is an interesting occurence, though I'm not sure I'd have the intestinal fortitude to hang around when the snakes make their pilgrimage.   :o
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on October 08, 2008, 10:53:47 AM
The church is near the ruins of an old convent. When a band of pirates landed, the nuns sang the Paraklesis to the Theotokos, begging her to deliver the island and protect them. The Theotokos sent a swarm of snakes with painful bites which drove the pirates off. Since then, these small snakes come annually to the church and seem to venerate the icon of the Theotokos by crawling on to it. These snakes have a marking of the Cross on their heads. I've mentioned this miracle three times on the forum, and posted video links, but you all wisely ignore this old windbag. :D
Sorry George, I didn't see your previous threads. :P  Thanks for the accompanying story.
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: observer on October 08, 2008, 01:06:31 PM
I personally love snakes.  Wasn't it St John Chrysostom who said the snake was man's best friend and that the devil took this form in order to deceive Eve? 
Title: Re: The snakes of the Theotokos
Post by: Jetavan on October 08, 2008, 01:17:11 PM
I personally love snakes.  Wasn't it St John Chrysostom who said the snake was man's best friend and that the devil took this form in order to deceive Eve? 

If anyone has a citation for this, I would much appreciate it. :)