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Title: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: TonyS on March 21, 2005, 06:04:23 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244999/site/newsweek/?GT1=6305

Just saw it.  Probably many have already.  Those who don't use MSN might miss it.  It is seasonal.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Stavro on March 21, 2005, 08:46:04 PM
I read it. Would have no value if presented in a scientific conference or if used for real research, but again, those who get their information from msnbc do not have a clear understanding or methodology in verifying information. This includes a large portion of the population.

But this is not the real question. Who is behind this growing campaign targeting the christian faith and why can't the jewish or muslim faith be subject to the same defamation ? Any article that would deal with any religion other than christianity in the same manner as this article or Dan Brown's hoax will be labeled with all kind of names ? Why is the same protection not extended to christians ?



Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Milliardo on May 03, 2005, 08:29:06 AM
As often said, we Christians are always the target of such things because we are called by Christ to be not of this world, as said by Saint Paul, but indeed to be conformed to Christ. So that is why the world does not understand us, as the saint again emphasizes.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: jmbejdl on May 03, 2005, 08:58:58 AM
But this is not the real question. Who is behind this growing campaign targeting the christian faith and why can't the jewish or muslim faith be subject to the same defamation ? Any article that would deal with any religion other than christianity in the same manner as this article or Dan Brown's hoax will be labeled with all kind of names ? Why is the same protection not extended to christians ?

I quite agree. What really gets on my nerves, though, is that the media seem to have carte blanche when it comes to insulting Christianity even during our most holy days. It's rare that I get through an Easter or Christmas season without seeing some blasphemy aimed at Christ, the Theotokos or some aspect of our faith, but I don't recall ever seeing anyone insult Mohammad during ramadan. It seems that we must be tolerant of all faiths except Christianity, intolerance of which is used as a medal of honour by those who see themselves as precisely so tolerant of other faiths.

James
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Matthew777 on May 04, 2005, 03:55:38 PM
For a Newsweek article, I liked the fact that it didn't have a liberal/anti-Christian bias. It actually takes the resurrection as more or less a historical fact.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Marjorie on May 04, 2005, 04:25:59 PM
James,

That's exactly what I said on Western Easter when they brought Elaine Pagels on TV to talk about how silly it all was. I was like "can you imagine bringing in a scholar on the start of Passover to discuss how the exodus never actually happened?" It's so tasteless.

Marjorie
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: BrotherAidan on May 05, 2005, 10:01:48 AM
Yeah, but here's the deal...The critics of traditional Christianity are always liberal so-called Christians; wolves in sheep's clothing who aren't just heretics - they are apostates. Yet they do not have the courage to leave the church; they continue to wear the collar and poison the well.

The liberal media don't have to go very far to find the critics. And the unwary sheep, because they LIKE to be told that they can practice promiscuity and materailism and selfishness, swallow this poison like Jonestown coolaid because such dismissing of traditional doctrine also allows them to dispose of traditional morals and ethics.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: BrotherAidan on May 05, 2005, 10:38:41 AM
Actually, this article is among the better ones in the secular media. If I recall correctly, Newsweek is usually more sympathetic to traditional doctrine than Time.

This article is actually a very nuanced apologetic by a believing writer being very subtle so as not to be squashed or re-writen by his editors; Or, it is a very sympathetic piece by a seeker being persuaded by the truth.

As an above post said, at least he seems to take the resurrection as a fact throughout the article.

But I still stand by what I said above about the wolves in sheeps clothing and their being ready allies to secular critics of Christianity. It just doesn't apply all that much in relation to this article. The title and the equivocating ending are the worst parts of this article.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: BrotherAidan on May 05, 2005, 10:49:36 AM
Another point, the article is not all that complimentary toward the apostles. But the fact is they all did flee. I didn't have the proper respect for the apostles as a protestant for good reason. Without holy tradition to inform you of how great they became, if left with just the New Testament presentation of them, they come off as dolts (they NEVER "get" what Christ is teaching them) or cowards (except for John, Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, the first didn't abandon Jesus, but stayed with the women at the cross,the latter two, thought not apostles, ask for the body). Of course throughout the New Testament, St. Paul's courage and lucidity are abundantly evident (probably also why so many protestants are so "Pauline" in their theology).

Since becoming Orthodox I have learned how great the apostles became as new men in Christ and I now venerate them and love them.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: BrotherAidan on May 05, 2005, 10:52:09 AM
Also, there are alot of bitter ex-Catholics in America, that contribute to the seemingly anti-Christian bias.

The legalistic, no-questions-allowed, miss mass once, or otherwise screw up, and you are going to hell attitude many received pre-Vatican II, followed by the nearly Protestant rennovations after Vatican II left alot of Catholics bitter, bewildered, or blase. This allowed the truly hostile ex-Catholics the freedom to send off their vollies with no repurcussions.

Then followed by the Jimmy Swaggarts, Jim Bakers, etc. for immoral swindlers in the name of Chrisitianity; and the Falwells and Robertson's as political kingpins, meddlers and buffoons -- the Christian community has given the liberals in the church alot of targets and the secular media alot of fodder.

Let us pray for them and for ourselves.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Elisha on May 05, 2005, 12:00:42 PM
Then followed by the Jimmy Swaggarts, Jim Bakers, etc. for immoral swindlers in the name of Chrisitianity; and the Falwells and Robertson's as political kingpins, meddlers and buffoons -- the Christian community has given the liberals in the church alot of targets and the secular media alot of fodder.

Let us pray for them and for ourselves.

I can't help but think that the "liberal wolves in sheep's clothing" feel pigeon-holed into their position because of the two-headed beast of our political (party) system, where one feels obligated to either support the party that is moral but destroys the environment, hates the poor, are a bunch of Pharisees OR support the party who thinks morality is what you think it is, all big business is evil and ruled by a bunch of scary totalitarian Zionists.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Matthew777 on May 06, 2005, 07:36:39 PM
Yeah, but here's the deal...The critics of traditional Christianity are always liberal so-called Christians; wolves in sheep's clothing who aren't just heretics - they are apostates. Yet they do not have the courage to leave the church; they continue to wear the collar and poison the well.

It bewilders me that John Dominic Crossan has not be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Every book from the Jesus Seminiar is another stepping stone on the road to hell.
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Matthew777 on May 07, 2005, 09:21:19 PM
If you would like an example of how good scholarship trounces the Jesus Seminar, I would recomend this debate between William Lane Craig and John Dominic Crossan in which Crossan does not even seriously attempt to refute Craig's arguments nor defend his own. It kind of makes you wonder.:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0801021758/qid=1115513991/sr=5-1/ref=cm_lm_asin/104-3263111-6825564?v=glance

William Lane Craig is a beast!

Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: BrotherAidan on May 10, 2005, 10:17:45 AM
Another excellent critic of the Jesus Seminar is Luke Timothy Johnson
Title: Re: "From Jesus to Christ" - Newsweek
Post by: Doubting Thomas on May 10, 2005, 10:44:45 AM
And another is N.T.Wright.