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Title: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: mike on December 25, 2013, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: http://sarisburium.blogspot.com/2013/12/update-long-overdue.html
So much has happened in recent months, in the Western Rite of our Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, that I will attempt only the briefest update.

Following the synodal decree which invalidated the uncanonical ordinations at Beacon, New York, a number of those who were ordained on that fateful day have now received a canonical ordination in the Russian Orthodox Church. Some are serving in the Western Rite. At least one has gone over to the Eastern Rite (Spanish-speaking Fr. Benigno Pardo of Houston, Texas)...

How could Fr. Bondi be only a subdeacon?
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Sleeper on December 26, 2013, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: http://sarisburium.blogspot.com/2013/12/update-long-overdue.html
So much has happened in recent months, in the Western Rite of our Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, that I will attempt only the briefest update.

Following the synodal decree which invalidated the uncanonical ordinations at Beacon, New York, a number of those who were ordained on that fateful day have now received a canonical ordination in the Russian Orthodox Church. Some are serving in the Western Rite. At least one has gone over to the Eastern Rite (Spanish-speaking Fr. Benigno Pardo of Houston, Texas)...

How could Fr. Bondi be only a subdeacon?

As I understand it, he only had the title "Fr" because he was a monk. Although in another chat room I did see that someone attended a service where they observed Mr Bondi officiating the mass as a "priest."
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: TheTrisagion on December 26, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Fr. Bondi left the Orthodox Church? Where did he go?
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: mike on December 26, 2013, 10:33:23 AM
As I understand it, he only had the title "Fr" because he was a monk. Although in another chat room I did see that someone attended a service where they observed Mr Bondi officiating the mass as a "priest."

How could a subdeacon be "pastoral vicar", "dean of the fraternity" and "rector" of church in Putnam Valley?
http://sarisburium.blogspot.com/2011/06/rwrv-ukaz-father-anthony-bondi.html
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Sleeper on December 26, 2013, 01:23:12 PM
Fr. Bondi left the Orthodox Church? Where did he go?

To a vacante group to be a "bishop" I believe.

As I understand it, he only had the title "Fr" because he was a monk. Although in another chat room I did see that someone attended a service where they observed Mr Bondi officiating the mass as a "priest."

How could a subdeacon be "pastoral vicar", "dean of the fraternity" and "rector" of church in Putnam Valley?
http://sarisburium.blogspot.com/2011/06/rwrv-ukaz-father-anthony-bondi.html

Excellent questions...
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: mike on December 26, 2013, 01:25:29 PM
To a vacante group to be a "bishop" I believe.

He had been a bishop in some vagante synod before he joined ROCOR.
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: TheTrisagion on December 26, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
To a vacante group to be a "bishop" I believe.

He had been a bishop in some vagante synod before he joined ROCOR.
Is this all because of the Nathan Monk thing?  Craziness...
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Agabus on December 26, 2013, 01:31:53 PM
To a vacante group to be a "bishop" I believe.

He had been a bishop in some vagante synod before he joined ROCOR.
Is this all because of the Nathan Monk thing?  Craziness...
Nathan Monk was the cinder block that broke the camel's back. It wasn't the only thing, but it was sort of the first public salvo that led to the shakeup. It appears other things had been happening behind the scenes for at least a little while.
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: mike on December 26, 2013, 01:39:22 PM
Another one funny question: how can retired bishop award a priest?

But the most puzzling thing is this happy declaration:

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The W. Rite continues to flourish in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and continues to operate under the omophor of the first hierarch, Metropolitan Hilarion, who issued a comforting clarification soon after the synodal decree, which clarification remains the last official word on the W. Rite. More and more, our W. Rite clergy are coming to realize that the E. Rite clergy and people of our Church are going to be a source of support, encouragement, and blessing, and that suspicions about the motives and humanity of E. Rite brethren have been, in many cases, excessively pessimistic. W. Rite clergy have been concelebrating with E. Rite clergy more and more, including on the territory of the Chicago diocese (e.g., at my own parish on the edge of Austin, Texas), even as concerns regarding how W. Rite clergy were vetted under the former vicariate structure, are allayed.

I mean since everything cracked up, what to be happy about?
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: augustin717 on December 26, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
Another one funny question: how can retired bishop award a priest?

But the most puzzling thing is this happy declaration:

Quote
The W. Rite continues to flourish in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and continues to operate under the omophor of the first hierarch, Metropolitan Hilarion, who issued a comforting clarification soon after the synodal decree, which clarification remains the last official word on the W. Rite. More and more, our W. Rite clergy are coming to realize that the E. Rite clergy and people of our Church are going to be a source of support, encouragement, and blessing, and that suspicions about the motives and humanity of E. Rite brethren have been, in many cases, excessively pessimistic. W. Rite clergy have been concelebrating with E. Rite clergy more and more, including on the territory of the Chicago diocese (e.g., at my own parish on the edge of Austin, Texas), even as concerns regarding how W. Rite clergy were vetted under the former vicariate structure, are allayed.

I mean since everything cracked up, what to be happy about?
In my language they used to say: surgery was successful, patient is dea.
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Mor Ephrem on December 26, 2013, 02:22:34 PM
In my language they used to say: surgery was successful, patient is dea.

My thoroughly non-Romanian uncle says the same thing.  I always thought it was an Indian joke. 
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Alpo on December 26, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
Another one funny question: how can retired bishop award a priest?

But the most puzzling thing is this happy declaration:

Quote
The W. Rite continues to flourish in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, and continues to operate under the omophor of the first hierarch, Metropolitan Hilarion, who issued a comforting clarification soon after the synodal decree, which clarification remains the last official word on the W. Rite. More and more, our W. Rite clergy are coming to realize that the E. Rite clergy and people of our Church are going to be a source of support, encouragement, and blessing, and that suspicions about the motives and humanity of E. Rite brethren have been, in many cases, excessively pessimistic. W. Rite clergy have been concelebrating with E. Rite clergy more and more, including on the territory of the Chicago diocese (e.g., at my own parish on the edge of Austin, Texas), even as concerns regarding how W. Rite clergy were vetted under the former vicariate structure, are allayed.

I mean since everything cracked up, what to be happy about?

Fr. Aidan seems to have fairly positive attitude for all things WRO. He probably knows himself that reality is not that rosy but apparently he has intentionally chosen to write positively. I guess I can't blame him. It's a sort of nice change for the usual situation that everyone's gossiping all the negative aspects of everything.
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: mike on December 26, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
In my language they used to say: surgery was successful, patient is dea.

My thoroughly non-Romanian uncle says the same thing.  I always thought it was an Indian joke. 

We say that too.

I guess I can't blame him. It's a sort of nice change for the usual situation that everyone's gossiping all the negative aspects of everything.

But he did gossip all negative subjects. And then he summed up everything is fine.

As another one saying goes: "it's crapily but stably"
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 28, 2013, 12:23:59 AM
In my language they used to say: surgery was successful, patient is dea.

My thoroughly non-Romanian uncle says the same thing.  I always thought it was an Indian joke. 

Maybe it came to Romania with the Roma migration.
Title: Re: An Update Long Overdue
Post by: Margaret S. on December 28, 2013, 02:21:20 PM
I think Fr Anthony only returned to his previous jurisdiction.