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Title: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Mor Ephrem on November 03, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
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With mainline religious congregations dwindling across America, a scattering of churches is trying to attract new members by creating a different sort of Christian community. They are gathering around craft beer.

Some church groups are brewing it themselves, while others are bring the Holy Mysteries to a taproom. The result is not sloshed congregants; rather, it's an exploratory approach to do church differently.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/03/242301642/to-stave-off-decline-churches-attract-new-members-with-beer

Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: mike on November 03, 2013, 04:29:07 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Alpo on November 03, 2013, 04:34:07 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?

I once heard about some ecumenical gathering in here where they served different kinds of alcohol afterwards. Some random guy had walked in and expressed his/her wish to join the Church right away after he/she saw the alcohol.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: mike on November 03, 2013, 04:37:47 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?

I once heard about some ecumenical gathering in here where they served different kinds of alcohol afterwards. Some random guy had walked in and expressed his/her wish to join the Church right away after he/she saw the alcohol.

The Orthodox would win in such competition.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Alpo on November 03, 2013, 04:40:55 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?

I once heard about some ecumenical gathering in here where they served different kinds of alcohol afterwards. Some random guy had walked in and expressed his/her wish to join the Church right away after he/she saw the alcohol.

The Orthodox would win in such competition.

Well the gathering was organized in an Orthodox church and we've been growing during recent years.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: biro on November 03, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?

Yes.  :angel:
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: brastaseptim on November 03, 2013, 04:57:01 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: newtoorthodoxy on November 03, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise. 
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Nacho on November 03, 2013, 05:05:40 PM
Nice! I once brought up this very idea many years ago to my pastor when I was still a Protestant. Told him I wanted to gather people around and hangout drinking good quality beer and talk about faith related stuff. I was going to call the social event "Jesus & Beer." Should have seen the look on his face lol!  :laugh: It didn't go over too well with him. He retorted that's what bars are for! I said the two can easily be combined, when you have "Jesus and beer," you have a winning combination that everyone will like. ;D
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Luke on November 03, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
"Do not get drunk."  "Here, have a beer."    ::)
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: xOrthodox4Christx on November 03, 2013, 06:07:04 PM
I don't drink, that tactic won't work on me.  :angel:
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Hinterlander on November 03, 2013, 06:11:03 PM
I don't drink, that tactic won't work on me.  :angel:

< 21 ?
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on November 03, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise.  

Pretty much true.  It's funny how Americans will celebrate a Mexican holiday like Cinco de Mayo with no idea what it is, other than an excuse to drink.  Don't get me started on Saint Patrick's Day.  I'm sure this beer church innovation will wear out after a few hangovers.  I can just hear the preacher mentioning Jesus and someone asking if that's the name of a new micro-brewery.   

Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Hinterlander on November 03, 2013, 06:36:34 PM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise.  

Pretty much true.  It's funny how Americans human beings will celebrate a Mexican any holiday like Cinco de Mayo with no idea what it is, other than an excuse to drink.  Don't get me started on Saint Patrick's Day.  I'm sure this beer church innovation will wear out after a few hangovers.  I can just hear the preacher mentioning Jesus and someone asking if that's the name of a new micro-brewery.   


Edits above are mine.

I didn't know there were so many teetotalers on this forum. 
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Agabus on November 03, 2013, 06:43:35 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.
Based on your religious affiliation, I assume you're in the NOLA area, to which I respond: what Catholic church down there doesn't offer beer at public/parish events?

I know an Episcopal church down there where members hand out beer at Mardi Gras parades
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: xOrthodox4Christx on November 03, 2013, 06:49:42 PM
I don't drink, that tactic won't work on me.  :angel:

< 21 ?

One of the reasons. Also, I have bad personal experiences. I wouldn't do it anyway.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Shiny on November 03, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
I know an Episcopal church down there where members hand out beer at Mardi Gras parades

I figured they beat everyone to the punch.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Cyrillic on November 03, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
"Do not get drunk."  "Here, have a beer."    ::)

I don't know about you, but most people don't get drunk after drinking one beer.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: brastaseptim on November 03, 2013, 07:35:48 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.
Based on your religious affiliation, I assume you're in the NOLA area, to which I respond: what Catholic church down there doesn't offer beer at public/parish events?

I know an Episcopal church down there where members hand out beer at Mardi Gras parades

The Italian and French parishes- they give out wine instead.  ;D And you are correct, considering the only Ruthenian chapel in the area is in New Orleans.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: hecma925 on November 03, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.

LOL, the Baptists I knew wouldn't.  Louisiana is a whole different world. ;D
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: brastaseptim on November 03, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.

LOL, the Baptists I knew wouldn't.  Louisiana is a whole different world. ;D

You've got that right. Generally, it's only the Presbyterians here that tend to avoid alcohol, the Baptists here being less fundamentalist and more generic Congregationalist with the word Baptist stamped on the barn-church roof.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: hecma925 on November 03, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise.  

Pretty much true.  It's funny how Americans will celebrate a Mexican holiday like Cinco de Mayo with no idea what it is, other than an excuse to drink.  Don't get me started on Saint Patrick's Day.  I'm sure this beer church innovation will wear out after a few hangovers.  I can just hear the preacher mentioning Jesus and someone asking if that's the name of a new micro-brewery.   

Yeah, Jesus Beer from Hops for Peace Ministries, LLC is pretty good, but that Holy Spirit Hefeweizen that Brother Jim's (he's a deacon at First Baptist, don't you know?) homebrew group is amazing.  Truly, a religious experience.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Jetavan on November 04, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?
Sure. I'll have to rest after the 6th beer, though.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Agabus on November 04, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
They should start one of those churches here in Louisiana- you'd definitely get a following; and for once, the Catholics, the Orthodox and the Baptists would show up for the same thing.

LOL, the Baptists I knew wouldn't.  Louisiana is a whole different world. ;D

You've got that right. Generally, it's only the Presbyterians here that tend to avoid alcohol, the Baptists here being less fundamentalist and more generic Congregationalist with the word Baptist stamped on the barn-church roof.
The Presbys I used to know drank like Episcopalians and acted like Baptists.

That was more in the north-central part of the state, though, so really a different world than down south.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Romaios on November 04, 2013, 03:00:49 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?
Sure. I'll have to rest after the 6th beer, though.

Kein Shabbosbir?
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Jetavan on November 04, 2013, 03:02:53 PM
I am having my 6th beer tonight. Anyone wanna join my church?
Sure. I'll have to rest after the 6th beer, though.

Kein Shabbosbir?
Bir mitzvah
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Romaios on November 04, 2013, 03:08:31 PM
Kein Shabbosbir?
Bir mitzvah

L'chayim!  :laugh:
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Luke on November 04, 2013, 03:21:17 PM
"Do not get drunk."  "Here, have a beer."    ::)

I don't know about you, but most people don't get drunk after drinking one beer.
Who says they are going to stop with one beer?
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: hecma925 on November 04, 2013, 03:22:52 PM
When we say "one beer," do we mean one serving or one type of beer?   ;)  FYI, I only had one beer yesterday.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Αριστοκλής on November 04, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
Beer? Beer?

Bah...we have wine (by the spoonful, sort of -  ;) )
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: hecma925 on November 04, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
There's wine at coffee hour too.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: augustin717 on November 04, 2013, 03:28:39 PM
the serbs and romanians in this city have plain regular bars attached to their churches . before it was cool.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Alpo on November 04, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
the serbs and romanians in this city have plain regular bars attached to their churches . before it was cool.

My God, hipsterism has creeped into ethnic churches too. :o
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Romaios on November 04, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
the serbs and romanians in this city have plain regular bars attached to their churches . before it was cool.

My God, hipsterism has creeped into ethnic churches too. :o

Alcoholism crept into them long ago...  ;)
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: augustin717 on November 04, 2013, 03:47:48 PM
I bet none of the Christian hipsters are aware of it though. The Serbian cathedral has a huge bar. The Romanian churches have smaller bars downstairs. The Rom. cathedral thoughts the best money wise as one is sure to always get cheap wine and Jim beam for free after every sunday liturgy.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Hinterlander on November 04, 2013, 03:54:10 PM
"Do not get drunk."  "Here, have a beer."    ::)

I don't know about you, but most people don't get drunk after drinking one beer.
Who says they are going to stop with one beer?

The article said they are allowed two beers.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Romaios on November 04, 2013, 03:56:46 PM
The article said they allowed two beers.

And not a third, for there is a devil in this world!  :laugh:

Sounds patristically sound.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Sinful Hypocrite on November 04, 2013, 09:31:31 PM
One can imagine the name of a new beer from a craft brewery aimed at such gatherings called "The Prodigal pilsner". ;D
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 05, 2013, 10:30:35 AM
Nice! I once brought up this very idea many years ago to my pastor when I was still a Protestant. Told him I wanted to gather people around and hangout drinking good quality beer and talk about faith related stuff. I was going to call the social event "Jesus & Beer." Should have seen the look on his face lol!  :laugh: It didn't go over too well with him. He retorted that's what bars are for! I said the two can easily be combined, when you have "Jesus and beer," you have a winning combination that everyone will like. ;D

Been there, done that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_on_Tap
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: primuspilus on November 05, 2013, 10:39:10 AM
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it's an exploratory approach to do church differently

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PP
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 05, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise.  

Pretty much true.  It's funny how Americans will celebrate a Mexican holiday like Cinco de Mayo with no idea what it is, other than an excuse to drink.  Don't get me started on Saint Patrick's Day.  I'm sure this beer church innovation will wear out after a few hangovers.  I can just hear the preacher mentioning Jesus and someone asking if that's the name of a new micro-brewery.
You assume that the only purpose for drinking beer is to get drunk?

Have y'all forgotten that Jesus's first recorded public miracle was to provide wine for a wedding?
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Mor Ephrem on November 05, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
Been there, done that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_on_Tap

I attended one of these six or seven years ago, and it was an overall positive experience.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 05, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
Been there, done that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_on_Tap

I attended one of these six or seven years ago, and it was an overall positive experience.

I did as well and had the same positive experience.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on November 06, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
That's sad as hell.  They should just turn everything into a bar because americans wouldn't bother otherwise.  

Pretty much true.  It's funny how Americans will celebrate a Mexican holiday like Cinco de Mayo with no idea what it is, other than an excuse to drink.  Don't get me started on Saint Patrick's Day.  I'm sure this beer church innovation will wear out after a few hangovers.  I can just hear the preacher mentioning Jesus and someone asking if that's the name of a new micro-brewery.
You assume that the only purpose for drinking beer is to get drunk?

Have y'all forgotten that Jesus's first recorded public miracle was to provide wine for a wedding?

 First, (Answering another posters comment) I'm not a teetotaler.  Second, I said nothing about getting drunk.  Third, the 'water into wine' miracle did not happen in a religious setting.  It certainly wasn't in a church setting because churches weren't around then.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: Mor Ephrem on November 06, 2013, 01:58:42 PM
Third, the 'water into wine' miracle did not happen in a religious setting.  It certainly wasn't in a church setting because churches weren't around then.

It was a wedding where Jesus (and his disciples) and Mary were invited guests, not a gay civil union at the local courthouse.  Why attempt to read it in a purely secular way just because it wasn't within the four walls of a synagogue? 
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on November 06, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Third, the 'water into wine' miracle did not happen in a religious setting.  It certainly wasn't in a church setting because churches weren't around then.

It was a wedding where Jesus (and his disciples) and Mary were invited guests, not a gay civil union at the local courthouse.  Why attempt to read it in a purely secular way just because it wasn't within the four walls of a synagogue? 

 Because there's no indication that it was within the four walls of a synagogue.  The larger point I was making is that, except for wine, alcohol isn't a part of our religious services, which a wedding most certainly is.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: augustin717 on November 06, 2013, 03:22:15 PM
Third, the 'water into wine' miracle did not happen in a religious setting.  It certainly wasn't in a church setting because churches weren't around then.

It was a wedding where Jesus (and his disciples) and Mary were invited guests, not a gay civil union at the local courthouse.  Why attempt to read it in a purely secular way just because it wasn't within the four walls of a synagogue?  

 Because there's no indication that it was within the four walls of a synagogue.  The larger point I was making is that, except for wine, alcohol isn't a part of our religious services, which a wedding most certainly is.
plum brandy is for sure,  part of many orthodox services.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: jah777 on November 06, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
The IOCC (International Orthodox Christian Charities) regularly hosts wine tastings at parishes.  Not quite the same thing, but seems like some here could be upset by this.  I was upset about this at my parish, but only because it was held on a Friday evening that was not a wine & oil day on the calendar.
Title: Re: NPR - To Stave Off Decline, Churches Attract New Members With Beer
Post by: brastaseptim on November 06, 2013, 03:59:59 PM
Third, the 'water into wine' miracle did not happen in a religious setting.  It certainly wasn't in a church setting because churches weren't around then.

It was a wedding where Jesus (and his disciples) and Mary were invited guests, not a gay civil union at the local courthouse.  Why attempt to read it in a purely secular way just because it wasn't within the four walls of a synagogue?  

 Because there's no indication that it was within the four walls of a synagogue.  The larger point I was making is that, except for wine, alcohol isn't a part of our religious services, which a wedding most certainly is.
plum brandy is for sure,  part of many orthodox services.

And wheat, wine, bread, and oil are blessed every Litia, which I can only assume occurs after Vespers on major feasts.