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Title: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on August 07, 2013, 04:41:52 PM
Vatican Insider has written an article with that title. The money paragraph:

"The current adversities in theological dialogue are largely a side-effect of underlying conflicts that have always existed in the Orthodox Church. The politically and numerically preponderant Patriarchate of Moscow has persistently encouraged an alliance with the Catholic Church on ethical issues but has shown little interest in engaging in dialogue over theological questions. According to the Russians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, would like to play Orthodox “pope”, gaining jurisdictional powers that are not in line with the ecclesiological concept of Eastern Christianity. Meanwhile, Russia’s revival as a super power is reigniting “imperialist” sentiment in the Patriarchate of Moscow."
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/ecumenismo-ecumenism-ecumenismo-27006/ (http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/ecumenismo-ecumenism-ecumenismo-27006/)
Title: Re: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: mike on August 07, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
Yeah, expect something reliable about inter-Orthodox affairs from a RC blog...
Title: Re: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: podkarpatska on August 07, 2013, 11:14:27 PM
After reading the entire article, it seems like a rather accurate assessment - regardless of the source. There is nothing new, or particularly controversial, in the paragraph Carl posted.
Title: Re: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: converted viking on August 07, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
Vatican Insider has written an article with that title. The money paragraph:

"The current adversities in theological dialogue are largely a side-effect of underlying conflicts that have always existed in the Orthodox Church. The politically and numerically preponderant Patriarchate of Moscow has persistently encouraged an alliance with the Catholic Church on ethical issues but has shown little interest in engaging in dialogue over theological questions. According to the Russians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, would like to play Orthodox “pope”, gaining jurisdictional powers that are not in line with the ecclesiological concept of Eastern Christianity. Meanwhile, Russia’s revival as a super power is reigniting “imperialist” sentiment in the Patriarchate of Moscow."
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/ecumenismo-ecumenism-ecumenismo-27006/ (http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/ecumenismo-ecumenism-ecumenismo-27006/)

Actually I think one has to give the Russians some credit to standing up to Rome.   I really don't see anyone else saying it like it is.

Viking
Title: Re: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: ialmisry on August 07, 2013, 11:35:43 PM
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They are having to open their eyes to the pastoral conversion suggested by Pope Francis

It is becoming increasingly clear that the reason why dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches has been proceeding at baby step pace with long stand-by phases is to be found in the Orthodox playing field, characterised by reservations and divisions...

Metropolitan Hilarion is the top representative of the Patriarchate of Moscow in the commission and yet the tone of distance he has got across in some statements, has not gone unnoticed. “We are wrong to try to present the theological traditions of our Churches as united at the highest level,” he said. Theological dialogue must not conceal but highlight the differences between Christian denominations.
It seems to ignore the truth itself experessed: "The politically and numerically preponderant Patriarchate of Moscow has persistently encouraged an alliance with the Catholic Church on ethical issues but has shown little interest in engaging in dialogue over theological questions."

And that doesn't have anything to do with "imperialist sentiment."  Just adherence to Orthodoxy, then same adherence demonstrated at the return of Met. Isidore the Apostate from Florence to Moscow.

No need, as is suggested, for a "supreme pontiff."
Title: Re: Divisions in the Orthodox Church are holding up ecumenical dialogue
Post by: Peter J on August 08, 2013, 09:51:53 PM
I can understand how the tone -- or spin, or whatever you want to call it -- of that article could bother people. Nevertheless, I think there is some truth to it. I don't know about other Catholic posters like Papist, The Young Fogey, biro etc (hopefully they'll weigh in here) but speaking for myself I often feel like a pawn or token in a big game of Orthodox-ecumenist-vs-Orthodox-antiecumenist.