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Title: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: andrewlya on May 05, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
Happy Easter All, Christ is Risen!
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

Also, what is the best film I could watch about the Old Testament and the New Testament,any good movies about Jesus Christ's life? I've watched The Passion of the Christ, it's a very strong film, are there any other good Christian films?

Thanks a lot!
God bless you all in Jesus.

Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Arachne on May 05, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
The Orthodox Study Bible is the place to start. :)

Film-wise... I've just watched, like every year during Holy Week, Franco Zeffirelli's Jesus of Nazareth. It's a six-hour mini-series that is both superbly cast and very accurately scripted.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on May 05, 2013, 11:43:34 AM
The Orthodox Study Bible is the place to start. :)

It is far from ideal, but it's the best (i.e. only) thing around.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on May 05, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture series is very useful for beginners.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: andrewlya on May 05, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
The Orthodox Study Bible is the place to start. :)

It is far from ideal, but it's the best (i.e. only) thing around.
Not ideal? Why not?
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on May 05, 2013, 12:12:16 PM
The Septuagint translation isn't as good as I would like it to be and the notes don't always refer back to the works of the Fathers.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shanghaiski on May 05, 2013, 12:29:41 PM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: genesisone on May 05, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture series is very useful for beginners.
It is a good series, but one must remember that not all ancient Christians were Orthodox  ;).
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: JamesR on May 05, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
(http://advancedanesthesiaspecialists.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/open-a-can-of-worms.jpg)

It'll only be a matter of time before this turns into a heated debate on the OSB's "Protestantizations" and then gradually escalating into the classic Masoretic or Septuagint dichotomy.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on May 05, 2013, 09:23:43 PM
I only use NOAB RSV with the complete Apocrypha.

Oxford has another complete Bible in ESV.

If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on May 05, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
It's missing III and IIII Maccabbees, Psalm 151, and a few other books/chapters, but if you can stand the 17th century English, the 1611/1613 KJV is the least Protestant worded in English.  The 1599 Geneva (as well as the Geneva series in general) is also a good one with its Protestant wording mostly confined to marginal notes.

But a more modern translation which has all of the books in there would be the RSV/A and the NRSV/A, however it is pretty Protestant worded.

There are also other versions (see Achronos's reply above) which I have not read.

The OJB is alright and fixes much of the Protestant wording, but I wouldn't take it as too authoritative, at least from what I understand.

Sadly, from what I understand, none of the English translations are really that good, the best thing to do if you want to get accurate would to either waste all of your free time on the internet or learn Greek.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on May 05, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.
I think LBK should organize it.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: sheenj on May 05, 2013, 09:55:58 PM
If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.
I think LBK should organize it.

At least we can all agree on who's gonna do the maps at the end.  :D
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: scamandrius on May 05, 2013, 10:32:42 PM
Learn Greek to read the Septuagint and NT in the original.

As far as movies go, I'd recommend the Ten Commandments. Always a favorite.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: SolEX01 on May 05, 2013, 10:41:13 PM

It'll only be a matter of time before this turns into a heated debate on the OSB's "Protestantizations" and then gradually escalating into the classic Masoretic or Septuagint dichotomy.

The thread on the OSB and neo-Protestantism already exists:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,44554.0.html (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,44554.0.html)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on May 05, 2013, 11:01:41 PM
It's missing III and IIII Maccabbees, Psalm 151, and a few other books/chapters, but if you can stand the 17th century English, the 1611/1613 KJV is the least Protestant worded in English.  The 1599 Geneva (as well as the Geneva series in general) is also a good one with its Protestant wording mostly confined to marginal notes.
Douay Rheims might be considered, but it's a translation from the Vulgate.

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But a more modern translation which has all of the books in there would be the RSV/A and the NRSV/A, however it is pretty Protestant worded.
NRSV is too inclusive for usage and should be avoided.

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There are also other versions (see Achronos's reply above) which I have not read.
I am a fan of the RSV for study and devotional use. ESV is based on the same lexicon, but more updated to American colloquialisms.

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The OJB is alright and fixes much of the Protestant wording, but I wouldn't take it as too authoritative, at least from what I understand.
There has been some reactionary sentiment towards it from Orthodox clergy being nothing more than a Protestant product. There have been some that have asserted that containing all of the books into a single volume is contrary to its liturgical usage.

I have also heard that the clergy should take care of the readings of the Bible and the laymen need not read it at all. But we should all be reading it, daily.

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Sadly, from what I understand, none of the English translations are really that good, the best thing to do if you want to get accurate would to either waste all of your free time on the internet or learn Greek.
If we can get close enough in English the renderings of the OT Septuagint in an Orthodox interpretation, I think that would suffice enough for everyone. The EOB NT seems good, but I haven't read it yet. They are still in the process of doing the OT as well.

There will never be a perfect translation, but if we can come close enough to it, then fine.

If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.
I think LBK should organize it.

At least we can all agree on who's gonna do the maps at the end.  :D
LOL

Learn Greek to read the Septuagint and NT in the original.
For the purist approach..
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on May 05, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
I think whatever translation you do read, even the Message, should work in an Orthodox context. I don't think you will have much of a problem.

It's like the "young woman" part in Isaiah 7:14. We of course interpret that differently, but everything is interpretation anyway.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on May 05, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
It's missing III and IIII Maccabbees, Psalm 151, and a few other books/chapters, but if you can stand the 17th century English, the 1611/1613 KJV is the least Protestant worded in English.  The 1599 Geneva (as well as the Geneva series in general) is also a good one with its Protestant wording mostly confined to marginal notes.
Douay Rheims might be considered, but it's a translation from the Vulgate.

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But a more modern translation which has all of the books in there would be the RSV/A and the NRSV/A, however it is pretty Protestant worded.
NRSV is too inclusive for usage and should be avoided.

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There are also other versions (see Achronos's reply above) which I have not read.
I am a fan of the RSV for study and devotional use. ESV is based on the same lexicon, but more updated to American colloquialisms.

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The OJB is alright and fixes much of the Protestant wording, but I wouldn't take it as too authoritative, at least from what I understand.
There has been some reactionary sentiment towards it from Orthodox clergy being nothing more than a Protestant product. There have been some that have asserted that containing all of the books into a single volume is contrary to its liturgical usage.

I have also heard that the clergy should take care of the readings of the Bible and the laymen need not read it at all. But we should all be reading it, daily.

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Sadly, from what I understand, none of the English translations are really that good, the best thing to do if you want to get accurate would to either waste all of your free time on the internet or learn Greek.
If we can get close enough in English the renderings of the OT Septuagint in an Orthodox interpretation, I think that would suffice enough for everyone. The EOB NT seems good, but I haven't read it yet. They are still in the process of doing the OT as well.

There will never be a perfect translation, but if we can come close enough to it, then fine.

If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.
I think LBK should organize it.

At least we can all agree on who's gonna do the maps at the end.  :D
LOL

Learn Greek to read the Septuagint and NT in the original.
For the purist approach..
+1 to all of this
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on May 05, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
I think whatever translation you do read, even the Message, should work in an Orthodox context. I don't think you will have much of a problem.

It's like the "young woman" part in Isaiah 7:14. We of course interpret that differently, but everything is interpretation anyway.
I'm not as sure about this, while I do agree that it is all interpretation, people who are reading Scriptures their first time around may be unaware of textual differences and translators' interpretations. 

In other words, one who's first Bible is the Nearly Inspired Version might not get all of the same ideas as one who's first Bible was the KJV.

This is another reason why we need to be knowledgeable in the Teachings of the Church before even reading the Scriptures.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on May 05, 2013, 11:24:54 PM
I think whatever translation you do read, even the Message, should work in an Orthodox context. I don't think you will have much of a problem.

It's like the "young woman" part in Isaiah 7:14. We of course interpret that differently, but everything is interpretation anyway.
I'm not as sure about this, while I do agree that it is all interpretation, people who are reading Scriptures their first time around may be unaware of textual differences and translators' interpretations.  

In other words, one who's first Bible is the Nearly Inspired Version might not get all of the same ideas as one who's first Bible was the KJV.

This is another reason why we need to be knowledgeable in the Teachings of the Church before even reading the Scriptures.
And if you are already attending Orthodox services, you shouldn't mind the follies of a translator or an entire translation. I have come across "inaccuracies" myself in the RSV, but they have not served as stumbling blocks.

We have plenty of guidance to read the Scriptures at our disposal, and also our parish priest, so find a translation that works best for you.

We are followers of the Way, not about quibbling over minutiae on what kind of wood Noah built his Ark. I appreciate a longing for accuracy, but I am not sure it matters as a whole. Outside this board, it matters zip on a day to day basis.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on May 05, 2013, 11:30:08 PM
I think whatever translation you do read, even the Message, should work in an Orthodox context. I don't think you will have much of a problem.

It's like the "young woman" part in Isaiah 7:14. We of course interpret that differently, but everything is interpretation anyway.
I'm not as sure about this, while I do agree that it is all interpretation, people who are reading Scriptures their first time around may be unaware of textual differences and translators' interpretations.  

In other words, one who's first Bible is the Nearly Inspired Version might not get all of the same ideas as one who's first Bible was the KJV.

This is another reason why we need to be knowledgeable in the Teachings of the Church before even reading the Scriptures.
And if you are already attending Orthodox services, you shouldn't mind the follies of a translator or an entire translation. I have come across "inaccuracies" myself in the RSV, but they have not served as stumbling blocks.

We have plenty of guidance to read the Scriptures at our disposal, and also our parish priest, so find a translation that works best for you.

We are followers of the Way, not about quibbling over minutiae on what kind of wood Noah built his Ark. I appreciate a longing for accuracy, but I am not sure it matters as a whole. Outside this board, it matters zip on a day to day basis.
You're on a roll tonight.

+1
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shanghaiski on May 06, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
Learn Greek to read the Septuagint and NT in the original.

As far as movies go, I'd recommend the Ten Commandments. Always a favorite.

And which Greek originals would those? Each ancient patriarchate has its own recension.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on May 06, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
Learn Greek to read the Septuagint and NT in the original.

As far as movies go, I'd recommend the Ten Commandments. Always a favorite.

And which Greek originals would those? Each ancient patriarchate has its own recension.

Good question. What is 'the' Septuagint? Which text should we take?

If Cyrillic, Roamios, etc could get together and make an Orthodox Bible from scratch that would be awesome.

LOL
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Rufus on May 06, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
Happy Easter All, Christ is Risen!
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

Also, what is the best film I could watch about the Old Testament and the New Testament,any good movies about Jesus Christ's life? I've watched The Passion of the Christ, it's a very strong film, are there any other good Christian films?

Thanks a lot!
God bless you all in Jesus.

There are only a handful of Orthodox Bibles in English...the only one that's readable is the Orthodox Study Bible, but there's really nothing special about it, and the notes are of little utility. If you just go with one of the major scholarly translations you should be fine.

My favorites are the RSV and NKJV. Haven't read the ESV, but it gets good reviews from intelligent people. The NIV is good, but it has a few issues. Not a fan of the NRSV.

If you like thees and thous, the KJV and the not-so-well-known American Standard Version are both good.

Getting a copy of one of these that includes the "deuterocanonicals" should not be difficult. These books give some important background that clarifies what's going on in the NT.


As for biblical movies, no, I've never seen any good ones. They are all basically "storybook" movies that portray Biblical narratives very stereotypically.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Iconodule on May 06, 2013, 02:19:51 PM
The OSB translation seems alright to me. The notes range from helpful to inane. Oftentimes really obvious passages will be summarized in the notes, but really strange or obscure stuff gets no comment. Also, the notes will sometimes cite Fathers but never tell you which work by these Fathers they're referring to.

If you like KJV-style English, there is no an Orthodox Septuagint version of the KJV Old Testament available online here (http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/zot.htm). It's supposed to be coming out in print form later this year.

As far as commentaries go, the ones by St. Theophylact of Ohrid are really good and you can get them here: http://www.chrysostompress.org/
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Agabus on May 06, 2013, 03:45:45 PM
The OSB translation seems alright to me. The notes range from helpful to inane. Oftentimes really obvious passages will be summarized in the notes, but really strange or obscure stuff gets no comment.

Though I have a few other issues with the OSB as well (just the usual mundane criticisms that one can find on this many other Orthodox sites), this is my biggest problem with it. Patently obvious passages will get a lengthy study note while the really baffling “hard sayings” are often ignored.

Although I mention it with some hesitation because it has many of the NRSV’s flaws, the Revised English Bible is a modern translation that contains the so-called Anglican apocrypha of the KJV’s early printings. It was intended for audiences in the British isles and tends toward English colloquialisms (a few passages ring weird to my American ears), but it’s very easy to read and is available very cheap online (my copy cost $3 with shipping).

Like I said, it’s nowhere close to perfect, but the Bible you read is better than the one that you don’t.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: andrewlya on June 11, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Thank you for your answers.
I wanted an Orthodox Bible that's easy to read and understand, which explains verses so I may help to a non Christian person to get to know the greatest faith.If anyone could recommend it, thanks a lot.

God bless
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on June 11, 2013, 06:06:43 PM
Thank you for your answers.
I wanted an Orthodox Bible that's easy to read and understand, which explains verses so I may help to a non Christian person to get to know the greatest faith.If anyone could recommend it, thanks a lot.

God bless
the message
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: andrewlya on June 11, 2013, 06:10:02 PM
In my Church, they have this Bible, so I may go for this one.
http://www.kobobooks.com/ebook/Title/book-uOi0UycxUkqUlgEokCCXuw/page1.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=product-listings&kwd=?utm_source=productlistings&utm_medium=g&utm_campaign=title-The+Orthodox+Study+Bible&gclid=CKmq6MCE3bcCFZMftAodvF8A5A
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Asteriktos on June 11, 2013, 07:18:36 PM
In my Church, they have this Bible, so I may go for this one.
http://www.kobobooks.com/ebook/Title/book-uOi0UycxUkqUlgEokCCXuw/page1.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=product-listings&kwd=?utm_source=productlistings&utm_medium=g&utm_campaign=title-The+Orthodox+Study+Bible&gclid=CKmq6MCE3bcCFZMftAodvF8A5A

That's a fine one IMO :)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Stepan on July 11, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
I've got the OSB more for the text than the notes. I actually wish Nelson would publish a text only version of the OSB in a compact format that could be easily carried for travel. I am looking at options and it appears my best bet is going to either be my KJV w/Apocrypha or an RSV-CE.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2013, 02:41:41 PM
I've got the OSB more for the text than the notes. I actually wish Nelson would publish a text only version of the OSB in a compact format that could be easily carried for travel. I am looking at options and it appears my best bet is going to either be my KJV w/Apocrypha or an RSV-CE.

This would be nice.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: WPM on July 11, 2013, 02:48:01 PM
New King James Version + Usually the one given to you by the priest.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Stepan on July 12, 2013, 01:42:48 PM
I've got the OSB more for the text than the notes. I actually wish Nelson would publish a text only version of the OSB in a compact format that could be easily carried for travel. I am looking at options and it appears my best bet is going to either be my KJV w/Apocrypha or an RSV-CE.

This would be nice.

I just discovered that the OSB is available as an iOS app. REALLY like the features of the app and it solves the issue of easily carrying the Scriptures with me.

That being said, I would still like a "reader's edition" of the OSB in a compact format.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Alpo on July 12, 2013, 02:19:44 PM
This translation debate is pretty much just hipsterism. The more important question is how often you read it.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Antonis on July 12, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
I've got the OSB more for the text than the notes. I actually wish Nelson would publish a text only version of the OSB in a compact format that could be easily carried for travel. I am looking at options and it appears my best bet is going to either be my KJV w/Apocrypha or an RSV-CE.
I have a stock of "youth edition" OSBs that fit snuggly into one's pocket, they were issued by GOARCH about a year ago. It says "youth edition" but it has nothing to do with youth in it, the main drive was to provide Orthodox youth with Bibles. It contains the New Testament, the Psalter, as well as assorted prayers and a place to write down commemorations, as well as color icons and various other tidbits.

If you are interested I can see about sending one or two to you.  :)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Antonis on July 12, 2013, 05:00:29 PM
My apologies, it is actually RSV, not OSB.  :-\

Still, let me know if you're interested.  :)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Mor Ephrem on July 12, 2013, 05:29:42 PM
I like that Bible, but I hate the cover.  :P
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Asteriktos on July 12, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
(http://www.capesales.biz/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/380x430/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/o/pocket_book-new_testament.jpg)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Matthew79 on July 12, 2013, 05:45:09 PM
My favorites are the RSV and NKJV. Haven't read the ESV, but it gets good reviews from intelligent people. The NIV is good, but it has a few issues. Not a fan of the NRSV.

I really like the ESV, but I am Baptist. You'll probably have a hard time finding one with an Orthodox commentary.

As for biblical movies, no, I've never seen any good ones. They are all basically "storybook" movies that portray Biblical narratives very stereotypically.

Most Christian movies are lame. I held out watching Courageous for a long time because I didn't have much hope for it. My friends kept telling me I had to watch it because it was "so much better" than some of the Christian movies in the past. I finally watched it, and IMO, they were wrong. I don't really identify movies or music as "Christian and non-Christian" anymore. I just look for good movies and good music that deal with the real nitty-gritties of life. There's a lot of good stuff out there in the so-called "secular" market.  I will admit, one of my favorite movies with an explicit Gospel message, is an old one, but a true story. Called The Cross and the Switchblade. It is the story of David Wilkerson, a country pastor from Pennsylvania, who walked into the toughest neighborhoods (with not so much as a place to sleep) in New York City back in the '60's and led the toughest, most hateful gang leader to Christ and most of his gang. This began a successful ministry committed to reaching out to the troubled youth in the city.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Matthew79 on July 12, 2013, 05:50:59 PM
I don't know why I quoted Rufus. I was answering the original question asked. I guess just agreeing with Rufus.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on July 12, 2013, 07:09:51 PM
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture series is very useful for beginners.

I own the two-part Genesis books and really like it.  Thing is, you need to be aware that the series has quotes from some who are considered heretical.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: ialmisry on July 12, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Mor Ephrem on July 12, 2013, 10:31:59 PM
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.

I knew I liked you for a reason.  :)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Antonis on July 13, 2013, 01:38:33 AM
I like that Bible, but I hate the cover.  :P
The Pantokrator?
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Mor Ephrem on July 13, 2013, 01:56:47 AM
I like that Bible, but I hate the cover.  :P
The Pantokrator?

No, if I hated him I'd have huge problems down the line.  :P

I was referring to the Youth Bible the GOA put out.  I have a copy of it, and it's a great size, but it's designed to look like jeans.  Do the youth really go for that, or was that some older person's idea of what young people would think is cool? 

http://www.amazon.com/Revised-Standard-Version-Catholic-Bible/dp/0195288564/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1373695563&sr=8-4&keywords=rsv+pocket

A really convenient volume, if you like the RSV.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on July 13, 2013, 04:01:09 AM
I was referring to the Youth Bible the GOA put out.  I have a copy of it, and it's a great size, but it's designed to look like jeans.  Do the youth really go for that

Not me.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Cyrillic on July 13, 2013, 04:02:25 AM
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture series is very useful for beginners.

I own the two-part Genesis books and really like it.  Thing is, you need to be aware that the series has quotes from some who are considered heretical.

Not everything they (Origen, Tertullian, etc.) said was bad.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on July 13, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
Couple more days until I get that Norton Critical New Testament. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on July 13, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Let's be clear on what New Oxford Annotated Bible, Isa is referring to:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373682502&sr=8-2&keywords=the+new+oxford+annotated+bible+with+the+apocrypha

I have this Bible and it is really great.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2013, 02:24:21 PM
I don't know why I quoted Rufus. I was answering the original question asked. I guess just agreeing with Rufus.

Always a safe bet.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2013, 02:26:08 PM
I was referring to the Youth Bible the GOA put out.  I have a copy of it, and it's a great size, but it's designed to look like jeans.  Do the youth really go for that

Not me.

Never could stand youth-oriented stuff. Especially if it's designed to look like jeans. Neurosis? Maturity? Who knows.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Asteriktos on July 13, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
Neurosis?

I think the guys in Neurosis could put together a stellar edition.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Antonis on July 13, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
I like that Bible, but I hate the cover.  :P
The Pantokrator?

No, if I hated him I'd have huge problems down the line.  :P

I was referring to the Youth Bible the GOA put out.  I have a copy of it, and it's a great size, but it's designed to look like jeans.  Do the youth really go for that, or was that some older person's idea of what young people would think is cool? 

http://www.amazon.com/Revised-Standard-Version-Catholic-Bible/dp/0195288564/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1373695563&sr=8-4&keywords=rsv+pocket

A really convenient volume, if you like the RSV.
Ah! I have that one as well! Yea, it's a terrible cover. The one I'm talking about is even smaller.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on July 14, 2013, 08:28:13 AM
Could you recommend me an English translated Orthodox Bible that's an easy read? Also, it would help if there were commentaries or explanations to verses as sometimes it's hard to understand the Scriptures for a person who's learning the Christian faith.

The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture series is very useful for beginners.

I own the two-part Genesis books and really like it.  Thing is, you need to be aware that the series has quotes from some who are considered heretical.

Not everything they (Origen, Tertullian, etc.) said was bad.

Certainly not.  But who wants to have to look up all their quotes to make sure they're in line and not heretical?  I don't have the time.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on July 14, 2013, 08:31:22 AM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Let's be clear on what New Oxford Annotated Bible, Isa is referring to:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373682502&sr=8-2&keywords=the+new+oxford+annotated+bible+with+the+apocrypha

I have this Bible and it is really great.

I wasn't paying attention when I bought what I thought was this version.  Turns out I bought the NRSV.  I'm saving up for the one you and Isa have or the ESV Study Bible. 
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: xOrthodox4Christx on September 28, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Let's be clear on what New Oxford Annotated Bible, Isa is referring to:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373682502&sr=8-2&keywords=the+new+oxford+annotated+bible+with+the+apocrypha

I have this Bible and it is really great.

I wasn't paying attention when I bought what I thought was this version.  Turns out I bought the NRSV.  I'm saving up for the one you and Isa have or the ESV Study Bible. 

You could get the new ESV with Apocrypha. http://www.amazon.com/English-Standard-Version-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289102
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on September 28, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Let's be clear on what New Oxford Annotated Bible, Isa is referring to:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373682502&sr=8-2&keywords=the+new+oxford+annotated+bible+with+the+apocrypha

I have this Bible and it is really great.

I wasn't paying attention when I bought what I thought was this version.  Turns out I bought the NRSV.  I'm saving up for the one you and Isa have or the ESV Study Bible. 

You could get the new ESV with Apocrypha. http://www.amazon.com/English-Standard-Version-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289102

 I'll probably end up buying that one at some point in the future.  I recently received the RSV w/ the Apocrypha.  Love it!
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shanghaiski on September 28, 2013, 10:35:47 PM
I think whatever translation you do read, even the Message, should work in an Orthodox context. I don't think you will have much of a problem.

It's like the "young woman" part in Isaiah 7:14. We of course interpret that differently, but everything is interpretation anyway.
I'm not as sure about this, while I do agree that it is all interpretation, people who are reading Scriptures their first time around may be unaware of textual differences and translators' interpretations.  

In other words, one who's first Bible is the Nearly Inspired Version might not get all of the same ideas as one who's first Bible was the KJV.

This is another reason why we need to be knowledgeable in the Teachings of the Church before even reading the Scriptures.
And if you are already attending Orthodox services, you shouldn't mind the follies of a translator or an entire translation. I have come across "inaccuracies" myself in the RSV, but they have not served as stumbling blocks.

We have plenty of guidance to read the Scriptures at our disposal, and also our parish priest, so find a translation that works best for you.

We are followers of the Way, not about quibbling over minutiae on what kind of wood Noah built his Ark. I appreciate a longing for accuracy, but I am not sure it matters as a whole. Outside this board, it matters zip on a day to day basis.

Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on September 28, 2013, 11:04:28 PM
Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
That's why I went to a Greek cathedral so I didn't have to worry about inaccuracy.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Asteriktos on September 28, 2013, 11:29:43 PM
Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
That's why I went to a Greek cathedral so I didn't have to worry about inaccuracy.

Now if only they weren't using a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a translation  8)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on September 28, 2013, 11:48:48 PM
Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
That's why I went to a Greek cathedral so I didn't have to worry about inaccuracy.

Now if only they weren't using a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a translation  8)
Everything was written in Greek so I'm good.
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Asteriktos on September 28, 2013, 11:51:06 PM
Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
That's why I went to a Greek cathedral so I didn't have to worry about inaccuracy.

Now if only they weren't using a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a translation  8)
Everything was written in Greek so I'm good.

I bet the Greek Jesus wrote in was impeccable  ;D
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: xOrthodox4Christx on September 29, 2013, 12:41:21 AM
There is no real Orthodox Bible in English--that is, one that has been blessed by a Holy Synod.

For a complete text, one can find the old Revised Standard Version Bible with all the books. The commentary therein isn't always helpful or accurate, but the text is complete and the translation is reasonable, though, again, there is no perfect translation.
The New Oxoford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha says Abp. Athenagora of GB expressed "satisfaction" at it.

I use it and/or the Orthodox Study Bible for general use in English.
Let's be clear on what New Oxford Annotated Bible, Isa is referring to:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Apocrypha-Standard-Expanded-Hardcover/dp/0195283481/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1373682502&sr=8-2&keywords=the+new+oxford+annotated+bible+with+the+apocrypha

I have this Bible and it is really great.

I wasn't paying attention when I bought what I thought was this version.  Turns out I bought the NRSV.  I'm saving up for the one you and Isa have or the ESV Study Bible. 

You could get the new ESV with Apocrypha. http://www.amazon.com/English-Standard-Version-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289102

 I'll probably end up buying that one at some point in the future.  I recently received the RSV w/ the Apocrypha.  Love it!

I have recently received the Ignatius Bible-RSV Catholic Edition. It's artsy and a pretty good translation from what I can see. I had the OSB... but when I got it from Amazon it was beat up and damaged, so I sent it back. The OSB is too expensive for now, so I got the cheaper RSV and On the Incarnation by St. Athanasius. I already own an ESV without the Apocrypha.

(http://religious-goods-center.com/store/images/ibl2-p.jpg)
Title: Re: Please, recommend a Bible
Post by: Shiny on September 29, 2013, 12:57:50 AM
Plus, if you fear inaccuracies in Scriptural translations, try not to think about all the inaccuracies in translations of liturgical texts. Oh boy.
That's why I went to a Greek cathedral so I didn't have to worry about inaccuracy.

Now if only they weren't using a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a translation  8)
Everything was written in Greek so I'm good.

I bet the Greek Jesus wrote in was impeccable  ;D
Ask Cyrillic, Jesus didn't write anything down.