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Title: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: abdedaloho on February 28, 2013, 10:19:35 AM
Slomo !

Is it forbidden to conduct Commemoration of any departed fathers /  Saints if the same happens to fall during the great Lent ?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: sheenj on February 28, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
Slomo !

Is it forbidden to conduct Commemoration of any departed fathers /  Saints if the same happens to fall during the great Lent ?

Thank you.

We allow funerals during the Great Lent so I don't see why we wouldn't allow commemorations. Besides, I really don't think the Church would forbid praying for someone.

IIRC, marriage is the only Koodasha forbidden during Lent.

Edit: I guess if you don't count the Pre-Sanctified Liturgy, we don't have midweek Qurbanas either.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: dhinuus on February 28, 2013, 11:43:29 AM
During Lent, the Divine Liturgy (Holy Qurbana) is celebrated only on Saturday and Sunday. So if the feast of a saint/father happens to fall on a weekday during lent; there is no Divine Liturgy celebrated on that day to celebrate that feast. The commemoration of that father in the Divine Liturgy happens the next Sunday. The only exception to this is the feast of the "Annunciation to the Theotokos"  (Vachanippu Perunal) which happens on March 25th. For this feast the Divine Liturgy is celebrated even if it happens to be on a weekday in Lent. Actually if that feast happens on Holy Friday the Divine Liturgy for the feast of Annunciation is celebrated first before the Good Friday prayers start.

There are only three other instance when the Divine Liturgy is celebrated on a weekday during lent:

1) for mid-lent (paathi - nombu) when the "exaltation of the Holy Cross' is celebrated and the Holy Cross is errected in the middle of the church. This happens on a Wednesday.
https://sites.google.com/site/syrianorthodox/home/greatlent/mid-lent (https://sites.google.com/site/syrianorthodox/home/greatlent/mid-lent)
2) for the 40th day of Lent (Nalpatham Velliyazhcha) when the triumph of Jesus Christ over the temptations of Satan after his own 40 days of fasting is celebrated. This happens on a Friday.
https://sites.google.com/site/syrianorthodox/home/greatlent/40th-friday (https://sites.google.com/site/syrianorthodox/home/greatlent/40th-friday)
3) Holy Thursday of Holy week when the establishment of the Divine Liturgy and the Last Supper is commemorated.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: sheenj on February 28, 2013, 11:58:42 AM
During Lent, the Divine Liturgy (Holy Qurbana) is celebrated only on Saturday and Sunday. So if the feast of a saint/father happens to fall on a weekday during lent; there is no Divine Liturgy celebrated on that day to celebrate that feast. The commemoration of that father in the Divine Liturgy happens the next Sunday. The only exception to this is the feast of the "Annunciation to the Theotokos"  (Vachanippu Perunal) which happens on March 25th. For this feast the Divine Liturgy is celebrated even if it happens to be on a weekday in Lent. Actually if that feast happens on Holy Friday the Divine Liturgy for the feast of Annunciation is celebrated first before the Good Friday prayers start.

Thanks for the clarification.

BTW, Do you happen to know more about the Presanctified liturgy that's supposed to used during the midweek? I've only read snippets here and there that mention it but have never seen any concrete rubrics.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: dhinuus on February 28, 2013, 12:26:24 PM
Thanks for the clarification.

BTW, Do you happen to know more about the Presanctified liturgy that's supposed to used during the midweek? I've only read snippets here and there that mention it but have never seen any concrete rubrics.
I do not know the rubrics of the presanctified liturgy in the Syriac tradition. I have never seen or participated in one.  

I have seen presantified liturgy in the Byzantine (EO) tradition celebrated by a priest. I could get the text of that service if you like.

I have also seen a presantified liturgy in the Latin (RC) tradition celebrated by a deacon. There was a litany, readings from the Holy Bible and the deacon went to the box kept at the center of the altar ( I dont know what they call it), brought out the consecrated bread and gave communion to the congregation. From where I was standing I could only see bread; no wine. I don't think the Latin's has any restrictions about Mass being celebrated on weekdays during lent. I believe they went with distributing presanctified eucharist because only a deacon was available and no priest was available.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: abdedaloho on March 01, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Thank you for clarifying my doubt.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: Basil 320 on March 01, 2013, 02:31:48 AM
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Annunciation to the Theotokos, one of the Great Feasts, occurs during the Great 40 Day Fast--the Feast Day of St. George is deferred to Bright Week, if it occurs during the lenten fast.  The church calendar notes which saints are commemorated daily.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: mike on March 01, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Annunciation to the Theotokos, one of the Great Feasts, occurs during the Great 40 Day Fast--the Feast Day of St. George is deferred to Bright Week, if it occurs during the lenten fast.  The church calendar notes which saints are commemorated daily.

Who asked for that?
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: biro on March 01, 2013, 09:42:06 AM
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Annunciation to the Theotokos, one of the Great Feasts, occurs during the Great 40 Day Fast--the Feast Day of St. George is deferred to Bright Week, if it occurs during the lenten fast.  The church calendar notes which saints are commemorated daily.

Wow, that'll make a difference at my parish. We're St. George's.
Title: Re: Memorial feasts during great lent
Post by: CoptoGeek on March 01, 2013, 09:42:31 AM
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Annunciation to the Theotokos, one of the Great Feasts, occurs during the Great 40 Day Fast--the Feast Day of St. George is deferred to Bright Week, if it occurs during the lenten fast.  The church calendar notes which saints are commemorated daily.

Who asked for that?

It's always appreciated to learn about other traditions. I don't think there was any harm in the post.