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Title: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Gunnarr on January 30, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
I found out that the Old Believers did a liturgy in the Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption on January 12th

(they thanked the Patriarchate as seen here : http://www.pravmir.com/common-faith-old-believers-thank-patriarch-kirill-for-opportunity-to-celebrate-according-to-old-rites-at-the-kremlin-cathedral-of-the-assumption/ )

I am wondering if there are any recordings of this event? I have never seen an Old Believer liturgy, but I do know I prefer their chanting compared to the opera stuff done today. . . .
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Dominika on January 30, 2013, 10:27:56 AM
Unfortunately I haven't heard about any recording from the event (I would love to listen to/watch it).

Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/LipoveniStaroveri/videos?view=0) you can find some interesting recordings of Old Believers' chant and Liturgies. Unfortunately, they're not in communion with canonical Churches
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: ialmisry on January 30, 2013, 10:35:03 AM
Unfortunately I haven't heard about any recording from the event (I would love to listen to/watch it).

Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/LipoveniStaroveri/videos?view=0) you can find some interesting recordings of Old Believers' chant and Liturgies. Unfortunately, they're not in communion with canonical Churches
some are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yedinoverie
there's a community (one at least) in the US.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Dominika on January 30, 2013, 10:41:49 AM
Unfortunately I haven't heard about any recording from the event (I would love to listen to/watch it).

Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/LipoveniStaroveri/videos?view=0) you can find some interesting recordings of Old Believers' chant and Liturgies. Unfortunately, they're not in communion with canonical Churches
some are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yedinoverie
there's a community (one at least) in the US.

I know ;) Even the event is about those in the Communion with us and what's more, it was in Russia. I meant these particular ones from the youtube canal I've posted.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: LBK on January 30, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
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compared to the opera stuff done today. . . .

There was a time in the recent past (1950s-1960s) where many Russian church choirmasters, especially P. I. Spassky of the Paris Cathedral,  favored a florid, overblown baroque style which became prevalent in Russia in the 18th and 19th centuries. Thank God that this fashion seems to have greatly diminished, as a great deal of Russian liturgical music sung these days, in parish churches and monasteries, is not at all operatic in style.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: username! on February 03, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
Unfortunately I haven't heard about any recording from the event (I would love to listen to/watch it).

Here (http://www.youtube.com/user/LipoveniStaroveri/videos?view=0) you can find some interesting recordings of Old Believers' chant and Liturgies. Unfortunately, they're not in communion with canonical Churches
some are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yedinoverie
there's a community (one at least) in the US.

I know ;) Even the event is about those in the Communion with us and what's more, it was in Russia. I meant these particular ones from the youtube canal I've posted.

Here in the States there are a few (I can only name one though) parishes that are Russian Orthodox but are allowed to use the pre-nikhonian liturgy. 
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Alpo on February 03, 2013, 06:36:30 AM
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With sincere filial love we dare ask Your Holiness to continue showing your mercy for us so that in the future as well we could have an opportunity to ask for your blessing upon conciliar celebrations according to the old rite at the old time monuments of general significance for the church history.

We express our unanimous wish to ask Your Holiness to lead a prayer service according to the old rite at the relics of St. Sergius of Radonezh or other shrine of the Old Russia on a day chosen by Your Holiness’.

Was that really an Old Believer liturgy instead of Old Rite liturgy celebrated by MP clergy? I don't know much about Old Believers but I thought their relations with MP are not that irenic with common prayers and all that.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Gunnarr on February 08, 2013, 06:39:57 PM
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With sincere filial love we dare ask Your Holiness to continue showing your mercy for us so that in the future as well we could have an opportunity to ask for your blessing upon conciliar celebrations according to the old rite at the old time monuments of general significance for the church history.

We express our unanimous wish to ask Your Holiness to lead a prayer service according to the old rite at the relics of St. Sergius of Radonezh or other shrine of the Old Russia on a day chosen by Your Holiness’.

Was that really an Old Believer liturgy instead of Old Rite liturgy celebrated by MP clergy? I don't know much about Old Believers but I thought their relations with MP are not that irenic with common prayers and all that.

I don't know. All I could tell is it was old rite so i just assumed it must have been some sort of old believers so I might easily be wrong.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: mike on February 08, 2013, 10:31:51 PM
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With sincere filial love we dare ask Your Holiness to continue showing your mercy for us so that in the future as well we could have an opportunity to ask for your blessing upon conciliar celebrations according to the old rite at the old time monuments of general significance for the church history.

We express our unanimous wish to ask Your Holiness to lead a prayer service according to the old rite at the relics of St. Sergius of Radonezh or other shrine of the Old Russia on a day chosen by Your Holiness’.

Was that really an Old Believer liturgy instead of Old Rite liturgy celebrated by MP clergy? I don't know much about Old Believers but I thought their relations with MP are not that irenic with common prayers and all that.

Old Rite.
Title: Re: Old believer liturgy in Kremlin Cathedral of the Assumption
Post by: Shanghaiski on February 08, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
The Russian Orthodox Church has, since the 19th century, blessed the use of the Old Rite for missionary purposes, to bring the Raskol'niki back into the Church.