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Title: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 15, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Arachne on January 15, 2013, 05:41:08 PM
The best you can't be ain't enough.

(You asked.)
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Asteriktos on January 15, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
To work out your salvation with fear and trembling: through the virtues, sacraments, and ascetic endeavors, in the theanthropic body of Christ, for the love of God and man, and always by the uncreated grace of the thrice-brilliant Lord.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Shanghaiski on January 15, 2013, 10:04:28 PM
The essentials for salvation are the will of God and the will of man. Of course, there are things which follow from both the divine and human will.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: domNoah on January 15, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

You have to die in a state of grace.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Melodist on January 15, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
Christ crucified and raised from the dead, love God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else (prayers, fasting, almsgiving, church attendance, sacraments, etc) is tied into the above.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on January 15, 2013, 10:45:40 PM
The mercy of God as revealed through the Cross and most profoundly experienced in and through the life of His Church.


Selam
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: LBK on January 15, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do to get right with God.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on January 15, 2013, 10:51:06 PM
Dostoyevsky's old lady and the turnip parable.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: JamesR on January 15, 2013, 11:47:19 PM
There is no "bare essential"--it's the full treatment you need.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: katherineofdixie on January 16, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
There is no "bare essential"--it's the full treatment you need.

I know, right?

If my doctor told me, "You have cancer. We need to start a thorough treatment regimen of chemotherapy, medication and radiation in order to save your life."
Would I say, "but what's the bare minimum?"
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: LizaSymonenko on January 16, 2013, 11:23:25 AM

There's only one thing you really need....and that is faith.

"Thy faith hath saved thee."  Luke 7:50

If you have faith, everything else will fall in to place....you will yearn for the Sacraments, yearn to learn more about God, and yearn to please Him...and never give up.  Repent and rejoice!

From the Holy Fathers:

A brother confessed to Abba Sisoes.
"I fell, Father. What am I to do now?"
"Get up," said the Holy Elder, with his usual simplicity.
"I got up, Abba, but I fell into that cursed sin again," the brother confessed with great sorrow.
"And what's stopping you from getting up again?"
"For how long?" the brother replied.
" Until death finds you either falling or rising. It is written, "wherever I find you there shall I judge you" the Elder explained. Only pray to God that during your last moment you will be found upright in holy repentance."

Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 16, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Christ crucified and raised from the dead, love God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else (prayers, fasting, almsgiving, church attendance, sacraments, etc) is tied into the above.

do you mean they are only a plus?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Melodist on January 16, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
Christ crucified and raised from the dead, love God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else (prayers, fasting, almsgiving, church attendance, sacraments, etc) is tied into the above.
do you mean they are only a plus?

No. I mean that if you love God, you will want to pray, you will want to fast, you will want to go to church, you will want the sacraments, you will want to worship Him according the truth of Who He is. And you will recognize His image and likeness in your neighbor and treat them like such. Someone who loves God asks "what can I do to express my love for God and draw closer to Him", not "what's the bare minimum I can get away with" or "how can I get out of doing this".
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: katherineofdixie on January 16, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
Someone who loves God asks "what can I do to express my love for God and draw closer to Him", not "what's the bare minimum I can get away with" or "how can I get out of doing this".

Exactly! Well said.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: vamrat on January 16, 2013, 03:09:38 PM
Christ crucified and raised from the dead, love God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else (prayers, fasting, almsgiving, church attendance, sacraments, etc) is tied into the above.

Love God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.  Hmm.  Sounds kinda familiar.  I think someone else said this once... 
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: yeshuaisiam on January 16, 2013, 10:38:51 PM
I think the bare essential for salvation is on judgment God saying that you are going to be in Heaven with him.

:)

Too many variables on the others stuff, and we don't know exactly how it stacks up to get the "merit badge".
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 17, 2013, 12:13:08 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do to get right with God.

alright. here we go.
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Melodist on January 17, 2013, 12:23:37 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 17, 2013, 12:38:54 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

Now we're talking. Thank you.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: katherineofdixie on January 17, 2013, 12:46:07 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

Now we're talking. Thank you.

Uh-huh. And how does that work out in our real everyday life? Do we really do much of either one?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Ashman618 on January 17, 2013, 01:13:20 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

Now we're talking. Thank you.

Uh-huh. And how does that work out in our real everyday life? Do we really do much of either one?

I don't even know how to go about starting to be honest
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Melodist on January 17, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?
1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.
Now we're talking. Thank you.

So...

What is Christian love and how is it expressed toward God and neighbor?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 17, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

Now we're talking. Thank you.

Uh-huh. And how does that work out in our real everyday life? Do we really do much of either one?

people who truly do won't tell you. It's between them and God. People who don't. Will start bragging to get you to think good things about them.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 17, 2013, 01:41:58 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

Now we're talking. Thank you.

Uh-huh. And how does that work out in our real everyday life? Do we really do much of either one?

I don't know. Do you?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: katherineofdixie on January 17, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?
1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.
Now we're talking. Thank you.

So...

What is Christian love and how is it expressed toward God and neighbor?

Exactly. That's the rub, isn't it?
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on January 17, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
So far I don't see any wrong answers here.



Selam
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: katherineofdixie on January 18, 2013, 05:29:04 PM
So far I don't see any wrong answers here.



Selam


High praise, indeed!  ;D
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Asteriktos on January 25, 2013, 12:35:36 AM
"However [important] prayer, fasting, vigils and all the other Christian practices may be, they do not constitute the aim of our Christian life. Although it is true that they serve as the indispensable means of reaching this end, the true aim of our Christian life consists of the acquisition of the Holy Spirit of God. As for fasts, and vigils, and prayer, and almsgiving, and every good deed done for Christ's sake, are the only means of acquiring the Holy Spirit of God. Mark my words, only good deeds done for Christ's sake brings us the fruits of the Holy Spirit."

-- St. Seraphim of Sarov, Source (http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/sermon_st_seraphim.htm)
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Basil 320 on January 25, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
Baptism and Chrismation, of course, acceptance of the Orthodox Christian faith as stated in its dogma propounded by the Ecumenical Synods (Councils), regular participation in the Divine Services of the Church, especially the Divine Liturgy, sincere effort to follow the 10 Commandments, regular participation in the required sacraments of the church, and observance of the Church Calendar along with following the practices, the spiritual exercises, of the church.  In short, believe and live the life of an Orthodox Christian.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 26, 2013, 07:49:07 PM
"However [important] prayer, fasting, vigils and all the other Christian practices may be, they do not constitute the aim of our Christian life. Although it is true that they serve as the indispensable means of reaching this end, the true aim of our Christian life consists of the acquisition of the Holy Spirit of God. As for fasts, and vigils, and prayer, and almsgiving, and every good deed done for Christ's sake, are the only means of acquiring the Holy Spirit of God. Mark my words, only good deeds done for Christ's sake brings us the fruits of the Holy Spirit."

-- St. Seraphim of Sarov, Source (http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/sermon_st_seraphim.htm)

The aim is what I am interested in. Not suggestions about how to reach that aim. I will worry about suggestions after i find out what exactly christianity is all about. I so far have no idea.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Asteriktos on January 26, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
I would say certainly that counts, yes. As for others, there is first of all cultivating some of the many virtues: Love, Goodness, Peace, Mercy, Longsuffering, Patience, Impartiality, Compassion, Generosity, Faith, Vigilance, Chastity, Stillness, and Zeal, Remembrance of God, Humility, Gentleness, Meekness, Temperance, Sincerity, Reticence, Discretion, Modesty, Simplicity, Sobriety, and Discernment.

As for spiritual practices, there are: prayer, alms, fasting, vigils, sleeping on floor, Bible reading, Church Father reading, spiritual reading, eating plain food, limiting entertainment, meditation/stillness, church attendance.

And of course there are the sacraments.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 26, 2013, 07:55:02 PM
Baptism and Chrismation, of course, acceptance of the Orthodox Christian faith as stated in its dogma propounded by the Ecumenical Synods (Councils), regular participation in the Divine Services of the Church, especially the Divine Liturgy, sincere effort to follow the 10 Commandments, regular participation in the required sacraments of the church, and observance of the Church Calendar along with following the practices, the spiritual exercises, of the church.  In short, believe and live the life of an Orthodox Christian.

Sounds like jail and punishment to me.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Peacemaker on January 26, 2013, 08:32:46 PM
There are none, none that our wretched mind can even imagine. It is completely up to God, making a list or thinking of essentials is pointless because when we do that, we try to bring God down to our level and that could never happen.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 26, 2013, 08:39:13 PM
There are none, none that our wretched mind can even imagine. It is completely up to God, making a list or thinking of essentials is pointless because when we do that, we try to bring God down to our level and that could never happen.

Thank you. I needed to hear that. Thank you.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Kerdy on January 26, 2013, 08:46:28 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do to get right with God.

alright. here we go.
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

First of all, God already likes you, so I don’t really understand this part.  But, to answer your question:

1) Die to self
2) Live for God
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: tweety234 on January 26, 2013, 08:50:47 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do to get right with God.

alright. here we go.
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

First of all, God already likes you, so I don’t really understand this part.  But, to answer your question:

1) Die to self
2) Live for God


how do you know that he likes me? Has he told you that? He never told me.
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Shiny on January 26, 2013, 08:56:32 PM
Dostoyevsky's old lady and the turnip parable.
That was an onion bro.

YES IT MATTERS BECAUSE THE ONION REPRESENT THE LAYERS OF THE WOMAN'S SELFISHNESS.

lol turnip. jk
Title: Re: bare essentials for salvation?
Post by: Kerdy on January 26, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
what are they? In one sentence or less please.

Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do to get right with God.

alright. here we go.
what are the two most important things for me to do to make myself likable to God? If I can do more I will. But I want to know the 2 most important thngs. The 2 most mandatory things. Any suggestion?

First of all, God already likes you, so I don’t really understand this part.  But, to answer your question:

1) Die to self
2) Live for God


how do you know that he likes me? Has he told you that? He never told me.
And here I thought you read the bible.  God loves everyone.  Keep the snarky comments at bay if you desire a serious discussion.  If I took your comment the wrong way, I apologize, but it does seem snarky.