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Title: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: sheenj on December 17, 2012, 05:34:50 PM
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MOSCOW -- Fans of two-time defending Russian champion Zenit St. Petersburg are calling for non-white and gay players to be excluded from the team.

Landscrona, the largest Zenit fan club, released a manifesto Monday demanding the club field an all-white, heterosexual team. It added that "dark-skinned players are all but forced down Zenit's throat now, which only brings out a negative reaction" and said gay players were "unworthy of our great city."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1268282/zenit-st.-petersburg-fans-demanding-all-white,-non-gay-team?cc=5901 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1268282/zenit-st.-petersburg-fans-demanding-all-white,-non-gay-team?cc=5901)
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: mike on December 17, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Jetavan on December 17, 2012, 06:00:35 PM
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MOSCOW -- Fans of two-time defending Russian champion Zenit St. Petersburg are calling for non-white and gay players to be excluded from the team.

Landscrona, the largest Zenit fan club, released a manifesto Monday demanding the club field an all-white, heterosexual team. It added that "dark-skinned players are all but forced down Zenit's throat now, which only brings out a negative reaction" and said gay players were "unworthy of our great city."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1268282/zenit-st.-petersburg-fans-demanding-all-white,-non-gay-team?cc=5901 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1268282/zenit-st.-petersburg-fans-demanding-all-white,-non-gay-team?cc=5901)
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: sheenj on December 17, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?

They have 4 priority levels:

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Priority area number 1. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region.
 
Priority area number 2. North-West region and Central Russia.
 
Priority area number 3. The rest of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, the Slavic countries, the Baltic States and Scandinavia.
 
Priority area number 4. The rest of Europe.

Sources: http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590 (http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590) and Google Translate.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Jetavan on December 17, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?

They have 4 priority levels:

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Priority area number 1. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region.
 
Priority area number 2. North-West region and Central Russia.
 
Priority area number 3. The rest of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, the Slavic countries, the Baltic States and Scandinavia.
 
Priority area number 4. The rest of Europe.

Sources: http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590 (http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590) and Google Translate.
Ah, interesting. So if a person of, say, African descent, grew up in St. Petersburg or central Russia, they would be fine with that.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shlomlokh on December 17, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
What an asinine thing to say. Care to unpack that?

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: biro on December 17, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
Ugh. More proud graduates of the University of Duh.  :(
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 17, 2012, 07:15:05 PM
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?

They have 4 priority levels:

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Priority area number 1. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region.
 
Priority area number 2. North-West region and Central Russia.
 
Priority area number 3. The rest of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, the Slavic countries, the Baltic States and Scandinavia.
 
Priority area number 4. The rest of Europe.

Sources: http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590 (http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590) and Google Translate.
Ah, interesting. So if a person of, say, African descent, grew up in St. Petersburg or central Russia, they would be fine with that.

It's time they were slapped with the collected works of Aleksandr Pushkin. In explaining how soccer was not a worthwhile pursuit, St. Barsanuphius of Optina basically said you will know the reason why when you see its fruits. Perhaps everyone whould be placated if the offending players and Pussy Riot fought to the death.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 17, 2012, 07:15:51 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
What an asinine thing to say. Care to unpack that?

In Christ,
Andrew

Historical oppression and modern bravado made him say it. And the Devil.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: mike on December 17, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
What an asinine thing to say. Care to unpack that?

Young patriotic religious men, defenders of Orthodoxy from Western relativism and liberalism / racist xenophobic brutes* show what they really are.

That's real Holy Russia. Time to leave your dreams.

*choose for yourself how you view them
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shlomlokh on December 17, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
What an asinine thing to say. Care to unpack that?

In Christ,
Andrew

Historical oppression and modern bravado made him say it. And the Devil.
I suspected as much. Pity.

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shlomlokh on December 17, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
What's so surprising about that? It's Holy Russia.
What an asinine thing to say. Care to unpack that?

Young patriotic religious men, defenders of Orthodoxy from Western relativism and liberalism / racist xenophobic brutes* show what they really are.

That's real Holy Russia. Time to leave your dreams.

*choose for yourself how you view them
LOL. The sins of the ignorant are enough to damn the whole? Wow. It's bad enough that these Russian fans are so xenophobic and ignorant, so why not denigrate all of Russia while we are at it, eh? Sounds like good fun!

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: mike on December 17, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
The sins of the ignorant are enough to damn the whole?

Those ignorants are the majority.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shlomlokh on December 17, 2012, 08:13:03 PM
The sins of the ignorant are enough to damn the whole?

Those ignorants are the majority.
Would it be fair of me to judge all Belorussians based off my opinions of your postings on this board? Why can't we build up our brethren? Why must we tear them down with these remarks?

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: sheenj on December 17, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
The sins of the ignorant are enough to damn the whole?

Those ignorants are the majority.
Would it be fair of me to judge all Belorussians based off my opinions of your postings on this board?

In Christ,
Andrew

If his opinion was the same as that of the majority of Podlachian Bielorussians, then yes.

Why can't we build up our brethren? Why must we tear them down with these remarks?

Sometimes to build up, the first step is to tear down.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Jetavan on December 17, 2012, 11:02:25 PM
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?

They have 4 priority levels:

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Priority area number 1. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region.
 
Priority area number 2. North-West region and Central Russia.
 
Priority area number 3. The rest of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, the Slavic countries, the Baltic States and Scandinavia.
 
Priority area number 4. The rest of Europe.

Sources: http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590 (http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590) and Google Translate.
Ah, interesting. So if a person of, say, African descent, grew up in St. Petersburg or central Russia, they would be fine with that.

In explaining how soccer was not a worthwhile pursuit, St. Barsanuphius of Optina basically said you will know the reason why when you see its fruits.
Source?
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Seraphim98 on December 18, 2012, 03:35:41 AM
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Source?

You can read about it in his biography. St. John of Kronstadt was not a big fan of the game either as I recall.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 19, 2012, 01:32:53 AM
How are they defining "white"? Do you have to pass a tone test?

They have 4 priority levels:

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Priority area number 1. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region.
 
Priority area number 2. North-West region and Central Russia.
 
Priority area number 3. The rest of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, the Slavic countries, the Baltic States and Scandinavia.
 
Priority area number 4. The rest of Europe.

Sources: http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590 (http://landscrona.ru/articles/index.php?id=3590) and Google Translate.
Ah, interesting. So if a person of, say, African descent, grew up in St. Petersburg or central Russia, they would be fine with that.

In explaining how soccer was not a worthwhile pursuit, St. Barsanuphius of Optina basically said you will know the reason why when you see its fruits.
Source?

It's somewhere in the massive and wonderful tome that is his life, published by St. Herman Brotherhood Press.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: rakovsky on December 19, 2012, 02:22:12 AM
St Petersburg's author Alexander Pushkin was 1/4 East African.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Meller-Zakomelski.jpg)
Prince Abram Gannibal

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Major-General Abram Petrovich Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal or Ibrahim Hannibal or Abram Petrov (Russian: Абра́м Петро́вич Ганниба́л; 1696 – 14 May[1] 1781, Suida, in present-day St. Petersburg), was an [enslaved] African brought to Russia as a gift for Peter the Great. He became major-general, military engineer, governor of Reval and nobleman of the Russian Empire. He is perhaps best known today as the great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin

In 1704, after one year in Constantinople [ie Istanbul], Gannibal was ransomed and brought to the Russian capital by the deputy of the Russian ambassador Sava Vladislavich-Raguzinsky, on orders of his superiors. Emperor Peter the Great adopted Gannibal and raised him together with his own children. Gannibal was baptized in 1705, in St. Paraskeva Church in Vilnius, with Peter the Great as his godfather.

Source: Wikipedia article for Abram Gannibal

Peace.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 20, 2012, 12:41:06 AM
Exactly. Which is why I suggested a thwacking with his collected works.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: JamesRottnek on December 20, 2012, 12:46:41 AM
Exactly. Which is why I suggested a thwacking with his collected works.

Very good idea.

Now the only question is whose works should we hit American racists with?
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: rakovsky on December 20, 2012, 02:14:22 PM
Exactly. Which is why I suggested a thwacking with his collected works.

Very good idea.

Now the only question is whose works should we hit American racists with?
Mark Twain tries to deal with racism implicitly in Huckleberry Finn, where the kid runs away and takes refuge with a nice black dude on a river. It's a good story.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: mike on December 20, 2012, 06:46:22 PM
It's a good story.

I like that book.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: JamesR on December 21, 2012, 02:44:04 PM
Do they even have non-White people over there?
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Schultz on December 21, 2012, 03:15:46 PM
Do they even have non-White people over there?

We're talking about a professional soccer team, James.  They import players all the time.  Do try to keep up.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: rakovsky on December 22, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Do they even have non-White people over there?
Asians, basically.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: Shanghaiski on December 22, 2012, 02:48:20 PM
Racism is pretty much a Western import to Russia. In earlier centuries, there was lots of intermarriage with Native Siberians and Alaskans, as well as Finnic peoples, etc.
Title: Re: Zenit St. Petersburg Fans Demand All White Team.
Post by: mike on December 22, 2012, 02:51:36 PM
Racism is pretty much a Western import to Russia. In earlier centuries, there was lots of intermarriage with Native Siberians and Alaskans, as well as Finnic peoples, etc.

Surprisingly (?) Russia is the only one place it's so strong.

Actually, racism was nonexistent until XVIII-XIX century. Religion-motivated persecutions were much more popular.