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Title: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 03:13:45 PM
Nos sure there are many people here who know what white singing is but I'd like to share a good result of mixing it with electronic music (and I do not like electronic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgvFPJXJ9Y

Unfortunately it's only a sample. I couldn't find anything more.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
If someone had got interest in Podlachian white singing here you can dowload some songs (it's all legal):
http://kamunikat.org/muzyka.html?pub_start=20&pubid=17046
http://kamunikat.org/muzyka.html?pub_start=30&pubid=17041
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 06:25:33 PM
Promomix of the songs from the album mentioned in the OP:
http://soundcloud.com/wounds-sound-design/poludnice-elektronice-promomix
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: biro on November 19, 2012, 06:36:55 PM
I haven't heard the term "white singing" before, but that was good. Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
I haven't heard the term "white singing" before, but that was good. Thank you for posting.

To be frankly, that's a direct translation of Polish (or Belarusian) term. IDK whether you have a term for that in English (and how it is named if you do). I couldn't find anything about that in English Wikipedia.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 19, 2012, 08:36:26 PM
I haven't heard the term "white singing" before, but that was good. Thank you for posting.

To be frankly, that's a direct translation of Polish (or Belarusian) term. IDK whether you have a term for that in English (and how it is named if you do). I couldn't find anything about that in English Wikipedia.

From listening to that horrible "mash-up" I listened to other more traditional examples of "white singing".

To my ears, it would be similar to the Bluegrass / Classic Country register (~head voice) done very loudly near screaming.

The example in the OP is a little more reserved than the traditional form it seems.

Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
From listening to that horrible "mash-up" I listened to other more traditional examples of "white singing".

I agree it's horrible. I do not see any purpose of that.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 09:06:27 PM
Some concert of the group mentioned in the Reply #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dlzGlZIFE
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 19, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
Some concert of the group mentioned in the Reply #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dlzGlZIFE

Do you remember these posts of mine?

Hard to get across Shape Note / Sacred Harp if you ain't in the square.

Greenwich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJCC4Nrvvw0

This is American Orthodox Hymnography.

Because you loved the above and we are heading toward Pascha . . .

Quote
'He dies, the friend of sinners dies' (SH 163, 'Morning') and 'The Lord is ris'n indeed!' (SH 236, Easter Anthem), both appropriate to the Easter Season.

Here are the words to 'Morning,'as here sung:

He dies, the friend of sinners dies.
Lo, Salem's daughters weep around;
A solemn darkness veils the skies,
A sudden trembling shakes the ground.

Here's love and grief beyond degree:
The Lord of glory dies for men:
But lo! what sudden joys we see!
Jesus, the dead revives again.

The rising God forsakes the tomb:
Up to His Father's throne He flies,
Cherubic legions guard Him home
And shout Him welcome to the skies. (Isaac Watts, 1709)

These are the words to Billings' 'Easter Anthem':

The Lord is ris'n indeed! Hallelujah!
Now is Christ risen from the dead
And become the first-fruits of them that slept. Hallelujah!
And did He rise? Did He rise?
Hear it, ye nations, hear it o ye dead!
He rose, he rose, he burst the bars of death,
He burst the bars of death and triumphed o'er the grave.
Then, then, then I rose,
Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light
And seized eternal youth!
Man, all immortal hail, hail,
heaven, all lavish with strange gifts to man,
Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss! (Edward Young)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlz70-TfcaI

Christ is Risen, indeed!



Sacred Harp goes to Eastern Europe . . . I'll knock it off now. It's just that this is some of the stuff I grew up with and it is weird almost no one knows of it.

It's soon to become a cultural artifact from the past and nothing else, if new life ain't breathed into it by real Christians. I showed up at a sing and eat here in the city once. Some old timers but a lot of just arts and crafts folks who could just as easily be yodeling or doing Buddhist chant the next day.

This is something unique to the US and truly uncanny and easily picked up and done.

To Poland with Love (you can see how quickly even in another language these folks were able to pick up the system with lotsa help of course):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NkG7vm50Ns

See the late quote Poles are learning the style. I wondered why in Poland of all places, perhaps the tradition of "white singing" is why.

Check out that thread and I post other examples.

Thanks for helping me put a piece into this puzzle.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
There is some resemblance. Not in melodies, rhythm etc. but the singing style is very similar.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 19, 2012, 09:24:38 PM
There is some resemblance. Not in melodies, rhythm etc. but the singing style is very similar.

If you heard people singing it from a more southern and rural area, the similarities in singing mechanics are much closer.

I don't like most folk singing, but I could get behind this "white singing". I'll certainly pass it on to someone I know will love it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
I thank you to, Master.
Title: Re: White singing + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 09:34:24 PM
If you heard people singing it from a more southern and rural area, the similarities in singing mechanics are much closer.

Like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCwDX6wD6vQ&feature=fvst ?

I've to admit there were some momments I didn't know they sing in English or Podlachian.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 09:48:20 PM
This "Sacred Harp" stuff is great. They only could use some solo parts.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 19, 2012, 10:05:25 PM
This "Sacred Harp" stuff is great. They only could use some solo parts.

Did you look at the history of it?

It is actually hard to get across what it is like, unless you are participating.

Solo parts would be antithetical to it, but I could see how they could be incorporated to make it more interesting to listen to, but before everything else Sacred Harp is to do. The meet and sings often go on for hours and hours.

Before I make a similar elegiac turn as I did in that thread I quoted, I'll stop.

Glad you enjoy it.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on November 19, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Iconodule on November 19, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
There are a lot of good examples of white singing that can be heard on iTunes, such as the Dmitri Pokrovsky Ensemble and Kitka.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 19, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).

No one in America knows about Sacred Harp so it fits, but from the youtube links it looks like it was feature in a Hollywood movie, so maybe that has changed.

Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: katherineofdixie on November 20, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).

No one in America knows about Sacred Harp so it fits, but from the youtube links it looks like it was feature in a Hollywood movie, so maybe that has changed.




Au contraire. They's a whole passel of us here in the South that know about the Sacred Harp. I've been to many singings and dinners on the ground. The food is great!
Sitting in the square and singing you feel the music physically.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on November 20, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
Sitting in the square and singing you feel the music physically.

There is no other way to encounter it properly.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2012, 05:04:14 PM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).

No one in America knows about Sacred Harp so it fits, but from the youtube links it looks like it was feature in a Hollywood movie, so maybe that has changed.




Au contraire. They's a whole passel of us here in the South that know about the Sacred Harp. I've been to many singings and dinners on the ground. The food is great!
Sitting in the square and singing you feel the music physically.

I'm glad to know it is doing well. Too bad I'm so far away from it >:(
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on November 20, 2012, 07:12:33 PM
This time mixed with hip-hop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr5HI3kYQ4Y
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on December 05, 2012, 03:50:28 AM
One of my favourite songs (this time more-less traditional):
http://w277.wrzuta.pl/audio/1hF7oUfdXgK/11-oj_ty_werbonka
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: katherineofdixie on December 05, 2012, 10:40:39 AM
I love this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9DpofW6eI&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AiAbFmMtTwdkKVOrSfCfVU

Some Christmas Sacred Harp music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_VAlVZ0F3M
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 02, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200189975425532&set=vb.1636184574&type=2&theater

This is good (sounds became better after 40 s)
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: rakovsky on March 02, 2013, 02:48:10 PM
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: serb1389 on March 02, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
We have seriously delved into the unreal here. 
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 03, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
We have seriously delved into the unreal here. 

What do you mean?
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Ebor on March 03, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).

No one in America knows about Sacred Harp so it fits, but from the youtube links it looks like it was feature in a Hollywood movie, so maybe that has changed.



!! ??? "No one"??  Not hardly.  I've known a good number of people in the MD-DC-VA area that have been gathering from time to time to sing Sacred Harp for more than 25 years.  There's a Sacred Harp Sing associated with the Folklore Society of Greater Washington in three weeks. 

Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: serb1389 on March 04, 2013, 01:59:03 PM
We have seriously delved into the unreal here. 

What do you mean?

I think not even .0000001% of any population knows ANYTHING about this, and then it appears on our site.  that's just unreal
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: orthonorm on March 04, 2013, 02:31:16 PM
There is only one problem with your theory. I'd surprised if more than several thousands of people Poland knew about white singing (not to mention could sing like that).

No one in America knows about Sacred Harp so it fits, but from the youtube links it looks like it was feature in a Hollywood movie, so maybe that has changed.



!! ??? "No one"??  Not hardly.  I've known a good number of people in the MD-DC-VA area that have been gathering from time to time to sing Sacred Harp for more than 25 years.  There's a Sacred Harp Sing associated with the Folklore Society of Greater Washington in three weeks. 



I am an American.

The some of the clips are of Americans I provided are of Americans.

I'll let you drawn your own guess at which rhetorical figure I was using.

Oh, and if it wasn't clear, I've posted elsewhere on what I think of the "arts and crafts" crowd doing this, or "folk" groups.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Hiwot on March 04, 2013, 03:03:05 PM
guys thanks for sharing. amazing.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 08, 2013, 07:28:09 AM
Some good music will be broadcasted on 89.9 WORT FM Madison Radio, WI March 24, at 22-24.
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 22, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
This one (another one mix with electronic, this time in Podlachian): https://soundcloud.com/vitalispopoff/poludnice-subdub-version-v2-2

And I'll reshare "Many years" I posted somewhere else: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4933895278636&set=vb.1636184574&type=3&theater
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 26, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
Song considered to be one of the best compositions by a band considered to be top folk Belarusian bands (and one of the best from all Belarusian bands). Sorry  for the bad quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ThcZSSG53E
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on March 26, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
In the same vein, some Bulgarian folk songs:

The Forest is Crying, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7x_8Dt9FQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7x_8Dt9FQ)

Little Lass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_gm0j1H1kc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_gm0j1H1kc)

And, this is the choir that started it all in the modern era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4LCejQg8o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ4LCejQg8o)
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on March 26, 2013, 04:31:15 PM
I enjoyed the 3rd video ^
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on March 27, 2013, 06:54:16 PM
I am glad you liked it. Here is a video of two Christmas carols, the second being performed by an American choir "Kitka," which sings Eastern European songs, to include Jewish ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQGLiFp5xYg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQGLiFp5xYg)
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on September 20, 2013, 03:53:00 PM
Whole album: https://www.youtube.com/user/FundacjaUwB/videos
Title: Re: White singing (more-less Slavic Sacred Harp / Shaped Note) + electronic
Post by: mike on November 24, 2013, 03:12:56 PM
Another one mixed with electronix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq52s4lNtQ

and someting more traditional:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_QMXR5bIQ

(listened to them live 2 weeks ago or something)