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Title: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Jetavan on November 10, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
VATICAN CITY — The Vatican is trying to resurrect Latin (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121110/eu-vatican-latin-comeback/).

Pope Benedict XVI issued a decree Saturday creating a new pontifical academy for Latin studies to try to boost interest in the official language of the Roman Catholic Church that is nevertheless out of widespread use elsewhere.

Benedict acknowledged Latin's fall from grace in his decree, saying future priests nowadays often learn only a "superficial" knowledge of Latin in their seminaries. The new academy will promote Latin through conferences, publications and instruction in Catholic schools, universities and seminaries, he wrote.
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The Vatican argues that while few ordinary Catholics may understand Latin, it is a universal language that represents the universal church and doesn't favor the language of one particular group over another. Critics say the return to Latin is just another indication of how out of touch today's Catholic Church is with the modern world.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Cyrillic on November 10, 2012, 02:09:26 PM
Awesome! Good for Pope Benedict XVI! I really like the current Pope.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: serb1389 on November 10, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
^ agreed. Wish we'd do something like this with Greek
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
^ agreed. Wish we'd do something like this with Greek

Yep.

A language that's important for a lot more than Church (like Latin).
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: dcommini on November 12, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
I think its nice trying to revive a dead language, but I don't think that Latin should be the lingua franca of every RCC, but having that base is nice. I would still love to learn more Latin.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Gorazd on November 12, 2012, 10:03:01 PM
^ agreed. Wish we'd do something like this with Greek

I agree. In the Moscow Patriarchate, for example, hardly any bishop, priest, or theologian knows enough Greek to read the Bible or Fathers in that language.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Jetavan on November 15, 2012, 11:07:30 AM
Since 1992, a group of Vatican scholars has issued the “Lexicon recentis Latinitatis (http://www.religionnews.com/faith/doctrine-and-practice/Pope-Benedict-XVI-faces-uphill-challenge-in-trying-to-resurrect-Latin),” which provides Latin translations of modern words, from dishwasher ("escariorum lavator") to taxi (“autocinetum meritorium”) for papal texts. But throughout the world, the English version –  and not the Latin original – is now widely used as the reference text when translating liturgical textbooks and church documents into local languages.

In October, Washington Cardinal Donald Wuerl spoke in Latin for his two major addresses at the Synod of Bishops, one of the few public events when Latin – and not Italian – is still used at a Vatican public event.

But even as Benedict called for reviving Latin as a “spoken language” too, many of the attending bishops scratched their heads as Wuerl spoke, relying instead on on-the-fly translations prepared by the Vatican press office.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Charles Martel on November 17, 2012, 09:23:50 PM
Deo Gratias!  ;D
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: ialmisry on November 21, 2012, 12:02:25 AM
The Vatican argues that while few ordinary Catholics may understand Latin, it is a universal language that represents the universal church and doesn't favor the language of one particular group over another.
Universal? Only in the West.  Which it favors. Hence "Latinization."

Because there is little evidence that Romanian is thought of in the assertions above.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: ialmisry on November 21, 2012, 12:03:41 AM
^ agreed. Wish we'd do something like this with Greek

I agree. In the Moscow Patriarchate, for example, hardly any bishop, priest, or theologian knows enough Greek to read the Bible or Fathers in that language.
How many in the Greek Church know Slavonic?
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: primuspilus on November 21, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
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The Vatican argues that while few ordinary Catholics may understand Latin, it is a universal language that represents the universal church
Since the NT was written in Latin.....oh...wait......

PP
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Orthodox11 on November 21, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
How many in the Greek Church know Slavonic?

How many books of Scripture, liturgies, works of patristic literature were written in Slavonic?
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: ialmisry on November 21, 2012, 11:01:32 AM
How many in the Greek Church know Slavonic?

How many books of Scripture, liturgies, works of patristic literature were written in Slavonic?
Lots.  The Fathers didn't die off in the 10th century.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Orthodox11 on November 21, 2012, 11:08:36 AM
Lots.  The Fathers didn't die off in the 10th century.

Comparatively speaking, not lots. And in terms of Scripture, nothing at all.

The Greek language is indispensable for a decent theological education, which is what our seminaries should offer our priests, Slavonic is not. It would be wonderful if priests of the Greek churches could acquaint themselves with the writings of Russian fathers in the original language (Fr. Sophrony of Essex, to pick one of the most recent examples), but surely from the pov of theological education they should master Syriac or Latin before embarking on Slavonic, Russian, or other languages.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: ialmisry on November 21, 2012, 11:34:44 AM
Lots.  The Fathers didn't die off in the 10th century.

Comparatively speaking, not lots. And in terms of Scripture, nothing at all.
Au contraire.  II Esdras, in the Slavonic Bible, has not survived in Greek.

The Greek language is indispensable for a decent theological education
I would agree. But since it is not the Greek they are speaking in Greece, what do they do?

which is what our seminaries should offer our priests, Slavonic is not.
Perhaps not.  The Russian theologians write in Russian now, and more becomes available in English and French.

It would be wonderful if priests of the Greek churches could acquaint themselves with the writings of Russian fathers in the original language (Fr. Sophrony of Essex, to pick one of the most recent examples), but surely from the pov of theological education they should master Syriac or Latin before embarking on Slavonic, Russian, or other languages.
I would prefer priests pay attention to their pastoring, for which translations suffice.  That is, if they are good translations.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: Orthodox11 on November 21, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Au contraire.  II Esdras, in the Slavonic Bible, has not survived in Greek.

I was under the impression that the Slavonic was a translation of the Latin (which is extant), not the Greek?

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I would agree. But since it is not the Greek they are speaking in Greece, what do they do?

Seminarians who only know Modern Greek should also be required to learn the Koine and Byzantine forms they use in church.
Title: Re: Pope resurrects Latin with academy to boost study
Post by: ialmisry on November 21, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
Au contraire.  II Esdras, in the Slavonic Bible, has not survived in Greek.

I was under the impression that the Slavonic was a translation of the Latin (which is extant), not the Greek?
The Russian was revised I believe with the Latin in hand, but the Slavonic came from the Greek (it survives in Georgian and Armenian IIRC as well).  IIRC, though, they had to use Latin for Revelation/the Apocalypse.

I would agree. But since it is not the Greek they are speaking in Greece, what do they do?
Seminarians who only know Modern Greek should also be required to learn the Koine and Byzantine forms they use in church.
unless they are going to specialize in theology, such effort could be more profitably directed elsewhere, like making the Koine and Attic forms they use in Church intelligible to their congregation. Or better yet, push for translation.