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Title: Jesus only can change the destiny
Post by: dattaswami on September 01, 2012, 12:16:15 AM

This world of humanity is based on full freedom and absence of any forcible destiny. Here, you are free to do any type of work and no destiny forces you to do any specific work as said in the Gita (Na kartrutvam...). The concept of destiny exists only in the link of the specific work and the specific fruit. You have full freedom to put your finger in fire or water. No destiny forces you to put your finger in fire or water. The destiny lies only in the link between a specific work and corresponding specific fruit. It is destined that the fire burns your finger and the water keeps your finger cool. The destiny is not in the selection of the work.

You have put your finger in the fire due to ignorance or ego. After burning the finger, you may say that you have put the finger in the fire due to the destiny. Jesushas destined the specific system, which links every action with a specific fruit. After putting your finger, Jesusis not ordering the fire to burn it. The subsequent fruit for a specific work is already destined. Jesusor the destiny does not interfere with the choice of your selection of a specific work. Even the so called past destiny does not interfere with your works. The composition of your psychology is fixed based on your past deeds. Thus, work is responsible for the will and the will is the generator of the work. Since the composition of your psychology is already based on your past deeds and is fixed, you can treat that as destiny and in such case, destiny is guiding everything.

The psychology is a specific pattern of ideas generated by the past deeds and it is called as ‘Samskara’. An idea can be changed by knowledge. Samskara is a fixed concept and the right knowledge is a group of right concepts. You have the opportunity of hearing the right knowledge since Jesuscomes to this world quite often in human form. You have the freedom to hear such divine knowledge or not to hear. You have also freedom to practice the knowledge or leave it without practice. At every step, the basic freedom is given. This human world is also the right place for testing the devotees and here also, the full freedom is protected. You are totally free to sacrifice anything or not to sacrifice anything even if Jesusdesires for it. Jesusdoes not force you or threaten you or wash your brain in your sacrifice since such sacrifice is not real. Jesusis pleased only with the real sacrifice done by the soul in the atmosphere of total freedom.

In the examination hall, you are totally free to answer the question paper to any extent or even to return the white paper without writing even a word. Jesuspreaches the total concept and in the stage of implementation of it, Jesusdoes not influence your mind in any way. After teaching all the right knowledge through the Gita, Jesus said that the decision to fight or not is totally left to Arjuna (yathechchasi…). The basic reason is that Jesusis not in need of anything from anybody. The sacrifice is not to satisfy Jesusbut only to uplift you. The sacrifice proves your real attachment to Jesusand such real attachment is not in the benefit of Jesusbut it is only in your benefit. Jesus asked for the special gem from Satrajit, the father of Satyabhama. Jesus is not in need of that gem. He is the creator of that gem. Even without the help of that gem, He can create wealth. He can even stop the power of the gem to create the wealth. Jesus asked the gem from Satrajit because Satrajit cannot maintain it and will fall in trouble.

Only for the welfare of Satrajit, He asked him for that gem. But, Satrajit thought that Jesus asked that gem for His personal benefit and thereby, for His personal satisfaction. Such misunderstanding made Satrajit to refuse the gem.
Title: Re: Jesus only can change the destiny
Post by: NicholasMyra on September 01, 2012, 12:38:37 AM
Don't try to sell me your New Age guru troubles.
'Cause I'm already reeling doing that good time gospel shuffle.
And all your thumpings about some Armageddon,
Ain't no big deal, 'cause I already hang with Him.
Title: Re: Jesus only can change the destiny
Post by: Shiny on September 01, 2012, 03:37:08 AM
I think we are on to something here.
Title: Re: Jesus only can change the destiny
Post by: dattaswami on September 01, 2012, 08:29:04 AM
I think we are on to something here.

Thanks..The incidents in human life and the results of the actions of the human being are the constituents of the cycle of deeds (karma chakra). This cycle is very complicated and is a multi-dimensional network as said in the Gita (gahanaa karmano gatihi…). The basic concept of this cycle is only preaching the soul for its reformation. God alone is the preacher as said ‘Guruh sakshaat parabrahma’. The unimaginable God is expressed in human form in this world of humanity. Such human incarnation is called as Datta, which means given. The unimaginable God is given in the human form to the humanity. Such given God is always involved in preaching and hence, any human incarnation of God is called as Guru Datta. Guru means preacher and Datta means the given human incarnation. Preaching is of two types. In the first type, the theory is preached, which can be implemented in practice by the human being after hearing the theory. In the second type, the souls are preached directly in the practical life because such souls are not covered in the first type. Many souls covered in the first type also do not practice even after hearing and for such souls also, the second type is applicable. Without understanding the God as preacher, ignorant people say that the life or nature itself is the preacher.
Therefore, you have to understand this practical human life as the practical preaching done by God to every human soul. One human being is born in poor family because such soul was proud of its wealth in the previous birth. The poverty should be understood by such soul. Therefore, the reason for the birth of a soul in the poor family is to be understood as the practical preaching by the God.

Such placement of the soul in the required atmosphere is called as prarabdha. If the mental set up of that soul is changed, its actions become fruitful and the soul becomes rich. If the soul is not changed, actions will be according to its bad mental set-up and hence, will not become fruitful since the soul must continue in the poverty for some more time. Therefore, the same action performed by two different souls gives different fruits based on the different mental sets-up of the two souls. Ignorant people, who do not understand the basic concept of divine preaching behind this cycle of deeds, criticize this system of the creation as improper one. Similarly, a soul with good mental set-up having no pride of wealth is born in the rich family.

 Mental Set-up decides the fruit

Let us the take the cases of two such souls born in rich families. One soul may continue with the born mental set-up and in its case, the wealth is maintained or even grows by its actions. The growth of wealth is an encouragement given to the soul for its maintenance of good mental set-up. In the case of the second soul, the good mental set-up may change due to polluted atmosphere and hence, its actions give negative fruits and the wealth disappears. The actions of the both the souls may be one and the same, but different fruits are yielded due to different mentalities. Therefore, your mentality is the source of the fruit. Again, the ignorant people comment that the hard work of one soul multiplies its wealth and the same hard work of the other soul leads to the evaporation of even the existing wealth. This is the reason, why the hard work of one human being becomes fruitful and the same hard work of the other human being becomes waste.

The human being does not identify its own hidden mental set-up and blames its failure to be due to the irregularity of this systematic creation. This creation of God is the most perfect system and never goes wrong at any stage and at anytime. You can understand the mechanism of this creation-system if you recognize the basic concept, which is the preaching of God for the reformation of the human souls. Even the upper worlds like hell or heaven functions based on this fundamental concept only. All the punishments in the hell are only for the reformation of the soul and not due to any revenge. The teacher punishes the student for his or her welfare only and not due to any personnel vengeance.

 Parents, who do not understand this basic concept, quarrel with the teacher for the punishments. The severe punishment given by the teacher indicates his or her concern about the welfare of the student. Intention of the action is very important. Similarly, the heaven contains some rewards of enjoyment in appreciation of the good deeds done by the soul. Therefore, the entire creation runs on the concept of the God as the divine preacher of the human beings. The human being here in this world or after death in the upper world is a constant student of Guru Datta only since the process of preaching is continuous here and there.

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