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Title: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on July 28, 2012, 08:11:29 PM
I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 28, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture
Such as?

I am, btw, typing between eating my first Chick-Fil-A.  The parking lot was packed.  The counters were packed.  The dining room was packed.  The patio was packed.  The drive thru was packed.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 28, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: SolEX01 on July 28, 2012, 08:27:14 PM
I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

What is the source?   ???
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on July 28, 2012, 08:30:45 PM
Watch this video (namely minutes 1:00-2:00).

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Asteriktos on July 28, 2012, 08:31:25 PM
Watch this video (namely minutes 1:00-2:00).



Stunning!  :P
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on July 28, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

I wouldn't say they're accurate. Most of the Protestants I know oppose no-fault divorce and other threats to institutional marriage/family just as much as gay marriage (plenty of Protestant churches have more stringent divorce rules than even Orthodoxy, for instance). There's just no organized pro-divorce movement around to drum up controversy about it.

In my experience the whole "Christian hypocrites" angle that these types play up is mostly mythological.

I am, btw, typing between eating my first Chick-Fil-A.  The parking lot was packed.  The counters were packed.  The dining room was packed.  The patio was packed.  The drive thru was packed.

I don't have CFA in my state (though I've enjoyed it many times in other locales), but I've heard the same from friends elsewhere. Seems this controversy has been the best thing that ever happened to the company.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on July 28, 2012, 08:38:03 PM
And honestly, this whole controversy is dumb. The president of the company said he was pro-family. Didn't say the words "gay" or "homosexual" at all. That was the spin of radical egomaniacs who seem to require the explicit and unqualified approval of absolutely every person on earth or they will die.

Chick-Fil-A restaurants don't have a sexual litmus test for customers or employees. I never saw a gaydar installed in the entrance of one. So...what's the big deal?

Much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on July 28, 2012, 08:43:17 PM
Had some Chick-Fil-A this afternoon. Place was filled to the brim.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 28, 2012, 08:48:04 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.
There was no "anti-gay" rhetoric.  Just pro-marriage rhetoric.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Opus118 on July 28, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Why do we have a news post with no link to the news. What is this about?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Asteriktos on July 28, 2012, 09:06:19 PM
That's the 2nd post with no link, perhaps he is posting from a device that is editing out links? Is there such a problem with some devices?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on July 28, 2012, 09:35:23 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

Promotes or enables anti-gay rhetoric?  All they've said was they don't support homosexual marriage.  If we have a problem with that, then we have a problem with the Orthodox Church. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 28, 2012, 10:50:19 PM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 28, 2012, 10:50:19 PM
And honestly, this whole controversy is dumb. The president of the company said he was pro-family. Didn't say the words "gay" or "homosexual" at all. That was the spin of radical egomaniacs who seem to require the explicit and unqualified approval of absolutely every person on earth or they will die.


Because we all know you can only talk about something explicitly...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on July 28, 2012, 11:20:11 PM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

Expensive, yes, but the food is fantastic.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: arimethea on July 29, 2012, 12:22:45 AM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

Carrot Slaw rocks! Their chicken is the best chicken sandwich on the market, so good that McDonald's tried to rip it off with their "Southern" Chicken Sandwich.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 01:23:55 AM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

Expensive, yes, but the food is fantastic.

I suppose there is no accounting for some people's taste buds.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 29, 2012, 01:25:17 AM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

Expensive, yes, but the food is fantastic.

I suppose there is no accounting for some people's taste buds.
Eat mor chikin. ;D (MOOOOOO!)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 29, 2012, 01:57:39 AM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: NicholasMyra on July 29, 2012, 02:21:44 AM
I was told that Chick-Fil-A money has been given to "faith-based" organizations that oppose gay marriage. Has anyone heard about that, or is it baseless?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on July 29, 2012, 02:27:10 AM
As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 29, 2012, 02:47:39 AM
As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.


Naw man, I ain't gonna eat it. I'll eat some free range on occasion, which my wife will fry up as good as anyone. But I'll probably go buy some lemon ades and sweet teas from Chick-fil-A, just to protest intolerance. I'm not a flag burner type of guy. Not really into burning books, burning flags, burning babies, or burning oneself. Burn Babylon, that's all!  ;)


Selam
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 05:52:33 AM
As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.
We protest by building up.  The opposition protests by tearing down.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on July 29, 2012, 06:24:06 AM
Let's see if this works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JprRWKQys7A
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Asteriktos on July 29, 2012, 06:26:06 AM
Let's see if this works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JprRWKQys7A

I now see a link :)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 29, 2012, 07:33:48 AM
Let's see if this works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JprRWKQys7A

I now see a link :)


Very inspiring video, and very influential. That gal definitey inspired me to go to Chik-fil-A on August 1st and buy a few meals to give to the homeless. And her points were so good that she almost influenced me to stop being a vegetarian.


Selam
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 08:03:19 AM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 29, 2012, 10:04:24 AM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Seraphim98 on July 29, 2012, 11:17:01 AM
it's not to spite gay people, but a show of support for Chik-fil-a for standing up for their principles and for the norms of traditional Christian marriage in the face of a barrage of pro-gay and pro-gay marriage hatred and ridicule.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 29, 2012, 11:51:57 AM
In the alternate universe of culture warrior ism it,s heterosexuals that are discriminated most often by homosexuals.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 11:56:29 AM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
In the alternate universe of culture warrior ism it,s heterosexuals that are discriminated most often by homosexuals.
Why be so specific?  It is the deviate dictating the norm (something Sen. Moynahan called "defining down deviency") in general, not just this instance, that needs to be fought.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 11:59:37 AM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: That person on July 29, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.
Is it really any worse than the labor that went into giving them Coke and chocolate shakes? If you're gonna boycott, boycott, but this seems like an odd reason to provoke such action. From what I can tell, there's been no active discrimination against gays from Chick Fil-A, just some rhetoric and questionable donations by its leadership. I can't say I approve, but I can't say I'm moved to care a great deal either.
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!
So they have an agenda now, do they? Sounds ominous.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.
As much as I agree with you, it's amazing just how awfully packed Chick Fil A is every hour of the day. I can't even take a lunch break there because I'll sit in the dive thru for 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 29, 2012, 02:27:08 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 02:29:23 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:51:37 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

Promotes or enables anti-gay rhetoric?  All they've said was they don't support homosexual marriage.  If we have a problem with that, then we have a problem with the Orthodox Church. 

Indeed.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: That person on July 29, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.
Snopes. (http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp)
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There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?
Minority interests having a voice is important in a democracy. I do think it's a tad greedy of them to take the whole spectrum of refracted light as a symbol though.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

I ate there in grad school. They had an outlet in the cafeteria--perhaps it's been shut down by kiss-ins, I don't know now. But part of my job in the cafeteria was working there and in proximity to the place and after that, I didn't eat there because of cross-contamination issues. Perhaps real Chick-Fil-As not staffed by students are better run.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on July 29, 2012, 02:53:55 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

To expound on this would take us to politics it would seem.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:54:19 PM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

Expensive, yes, but the food is fantastic.

I suppose there is no accounting for some people's taste buds.

Not everyone shares our food snobbery. We can only pray they learn before it's too late.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.

The whole purpose of the fast is to eat fast food.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 29, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
In the alternate universe of culture warrior ism it,s heterosexuals that are discriminated most often by homosexuals.

Alternate? Like San Francisco?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?
But see you are condemning homosexuals because you classify how they act as sinful. I don't think that's the right approach. but meh.

Look all I'm saying is CFA should be focused on running their business instead of using it as a platform to promote their beliefs.

Oh

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"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

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When asked whether his company had an established position against marriage equality, Cathy said, "guilty as charged."
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/17/chick-fil-coo-dan-cathy-officially-comes-out-antigay

Also Cathy is basically saying that "pro-family" doesn't involve families that are raised by gay couples, which is a ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 29, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Chick-fil-a rocks!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 29, 2012, 03:09:24 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.
And their anti-cow/anti-beef campaign is pure hate at its very core.  The audacity of some people! ;D
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 29, 2012, 03:09:47 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 03:11:03 PM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?
But see you are condemning homosexuals because you classify how they act as sinful. I don't think that's the right approach. but meh.

Look all I'm saying is CFA should be focused on running their business instead of using it as a platform to promote their beliefs.

Oh

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"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

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When asked whether his company had an established position against marriage equality, Cathy said, "guilty as charged."
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/17/chick-fil-coo-dan-cathy-officially-comes-out-antigay

Also Cathy is basically saying that "pro-family" doesn't involve families that are raised by gay couples, which is a ridiculous statement.
oh, a study just recently slipped through substantiating the statement.

You did notice that Cathy "when asked" answered, not dodged, the question.

That the gay agenda has to hide what it is up too, much like abortion promoters, should serve as a warning.  "Marriage equality"-that's a lie.  I've seen them deny that they are for polygamy, and I doubt that they are for common law marriage.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.
I'm with you 100%. But you know with these types of Christians a reinterpretation of the verse in your sig, "easier for a camel in the eye of a needle". and all that. I once had a member from the same church Cathy belongs to explaining that the camel/needle verse is the most misinterpreted verse in the Bible and doesn't condemn at all rich people and that more money is a good thing.

But we will see how Cathy will buy his way into heaven with all his millions while his workers can't even live off of their own wages.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 29, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 03:17:24 PM
But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 03:24:52 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.
Can you point to a revolution that didn't "take care" of the hoi polloi first, and in greater numbers?  More peasants, for instance, were served up on the guillotine in the French Revolution (72%, i.e. almost a full three fourths, compared to 8% aristocrats, 6% clergy and 14% bourgeoisie), than the aristocrats (who could afford to just leave).

And there are plenty of of meaningful Christian millionaires, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Monaghan
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 29, 2012, 03:31:56 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.
I'm with you 100%. But you know with these types of Christians a reinterpretation of the verse in your sig, "easier for a camel in the eye of a needle". and all that. I once had a member from the same church Cathy belongs to explaining that the camel/needle verse is the most misinterpreted verse in the Bible and doesn't condemn at all rich people and that more money is a good thing.

But we will see how Cathy will buy his way into heaven with all his millions while his workers can't even live off of their own wages.
what is with this idea that ALL jobs, not matter what, must pay enough to live off of?  Does that include the Lemonade stand the 10 year olds had that I frequented this week (imagine, capitalism in Manhattan)?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Fr. Deacon Daniel on July 29, 2012, 03:48:41 PM
I respect Mr. Cathy for standing up for what he believes in and promoting Christian values. Growing up in Atlanta and having met Mr. Cathy I can testify personally that he is a kind and loving person. One of the companies I freelance for provides audio/visual equipment and technical support for their conferences. I have never worked a conference, and believe me I have worked many, that promoted and maintains the level of Christian values that Chik-fil-A does.  

Honestly, the attack on Chick-Fil-A is typical of the anti-christian agenda, which dominates our media. Here is an article from WSJ. The company really does a lot to help the less fortunate. I also like the simple fact that they are closed on Sunday's. Obviously, Southern Baptist ideology and practices are not in line with traditional Christianity but nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

ATLANTA—Long before Chick-fil-A chief executive Dan Cathy's recent remarks regarding gay marriage, the Cathy family has been open and active supporters of Christian traditional marriage.

Through their WinShape Foundation, created in 1984, the owners of Chick-fil-A have donated millions to various causes, including Christian organizations dedicated to preserving traditional heterosexual marriages.

"They are very loving and caring people that want to serve others and help them move toward a healthy marriage," said Mark Pyatt, co-president of the National Institute of Marriage, a Branson, Mo.,-based Christian group that works with the WinShape Foundation, including holding monthly couples retreats at the foundation's center at Berry College, a Rome, Ga., Christian college. Chick-fil-A often refers workers, franchise owners and staff who are having problems with their marriage to the institute and other Christian groups focused on marriage.


The rest of the article can be read by here:  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553341868014390.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553341868014390.html)



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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

Evidently they shall dictate to you, what with how you choose to do things based on what the gays say.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Cognomen on July 29, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
I don't know what this thread is about, but I'm on Chick-Fil-A's side.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

I ate there in grad school. They had an outlet in the cafeteria--perhaps it's been shut down by kiss-ins, I don't know now. But part of my job in the cafeteria was working there and in proximity to the place and after that, I didn't eat there because of cross-contamination issues. Perhaps real Chick-Fil-As not staffed by students are better run.

You know, the only Chik-Fil-A I've eaten at was also at a university, maybe that explains it (of course, nearly every other food establishment I've eaten at at ASU had perfectly fine food).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.

Kind of like the people who will go eat at Chik-Fil-A, when they've never before been there, just because the gays said not to...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 29, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

Do you admire Hitler and Stalin and Mao as well, for trying to do what they believe is right?  I see no reason to ever respect someone just because they try to do what they think is right.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: StGeorge on July 29, 2012, 05:55:15 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

The juxtaposition of Cathy with Hitler and white supremacists is a bit extreme.  Cathy reiterated what is and has been the standard of the Judeo-Christian West for the past two millenia.  He moreover stated his views positively, without expressing any vitriol toward opposing views.

The liberal response, on the other hand, has been over the top.  Even Mayor Bloomberg, no conservative, has spoken against fellow liberal  mayors for banning Chick-fil-A from their cities on the basis of an owner's personal views.  

In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 06:10:37 PM
edit to politics this goes.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on July 29, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        
Exactly.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 29, 2012, 07:01:59 PM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I think if you check you may find this has nothing to do with being Liberal or Conservative. Some of the strongest opponents of Homosexual Marriage are the predominantly Black Church's which are also very much on the side of the Democratic Party.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Fr. Deacon Daniel on July 29, 2012, 07:03:16 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

The juxtaposition of Cathy with Hitler and white supremacists is a bit extreme.  Cathy reiterated what is and has been the standard of the Judeo-Christian West for the past two millenia.  He moreover stated his views positively, without expressing any vitriol toward opposing views.

The liberal response, on the other hand, has been over the top.  Even Mayor Bloomberg, no conservative, has spoken against fellow liberal  mayors for banning Chick-fil-A from their cities on the basis of an owner's personal views.  

In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        

That juxtaposition is not extreme it is totally nonsensical. Anyway, I'm not interested in debating or arguing. I do pray that Chick-Fil-A continues to hold to Christian values and not fall victim to the spirit of our times.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Opus118 on July 29, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Fr. Deacon Daniel on July 29, 2012, 09:44:29 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: mersch on July 29, 2012, 11:00:34 PM
What I don't understand is  why all the hoopla now over it. Mr Cathy has always let his beliefs known. It is no surprise, its old old news.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on July 29, 2012, 11:22:19 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 29, 2012, 11:37:26 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 01:36:03 AM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?
No, elected officials (mayors) have called for banning the chain from doing business in their cities and in general drive them out of business, with not so veiled threats if its CEO doesn't change and get with the program.  Rahm Emmanuel can kiss my ****: my family was in Chicago for the fire and I'll be going to the Chicken-Fil-A Tuesday (Wednesday is a fast) to show "Chicago values."  Rahm seems to think he and Hussain and Rezko and Blago represent "chicago values."  One would think he'd be busy with stopping the killing going on in the city rather than preaching on the morality of fast food CEO's.



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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 01:37:23 AM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

Evidently they shall dictate to you, what with how you choose to do things based on what the gays say.
This is our Stonewall.  This shall not stand.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 30, 2012, 01:56:10 AM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.

Kind of like the people who will go eat at Chik-Fil-A, when they've never before been there, just because the gays said not to...
How is this "kind of like" what I said?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 30, 2012, 01:56:50 AM
nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

Do you admire Hitler and Stalin and Mao as well, for trying to do what they believe is right?  I see no reason to ever respect someone just because they try to do what they think is right.
So...respect no one?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 30, 2012, 02:01:55 AM
But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.
Or plain (Orthodox), because it was the first version.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 02:15:04 AM
But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.
Or plain (Orthodox), because it was the first version.
But extra crispy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesR on July 30, 2012, 02:16:55 AM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
And....?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 02:42:09 AM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 02:42:09 AM
What I don't understand is  why all the hoopla now over it. Mr Cathy has always let his beliefs known. It is no surprise, its old old news.

As I understand it, there have been some people who have taken issue with him for quite some time; however, he did an interview for (I believe) Baptist News, earlier this month, and other news agencies picked up on the interview and this whole situation kind of blew up.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: podkarpatska on July 30, 2012, 09:59:49 AM
This entire boycott business trend is a slippery slope when you have to add in the international nature of most large corporations doing business in the US. Many of them engage in actions which are violative of either US law or policy (i.e. setting up side companies to do business with say, Cuba or Iran or North Korea) or partnering or being supportive of governments like China or Pakistan whose law's are often the subject of international outrage - forced abortions, limits on the number of children, support of terrorism etc..etc..etc... Mr. Cathy is surely entitled to his beliefs as are we all (for the most part unless you are a Hitler or Mao or mass murderer acting on 'voices' from within - just to name a few....). Egregious examples of corporate policy being the basis of a proper and effective business boycott are probably few - the Woolworth lunch counter and southern bus examples of the 1950's and 1960's come to mind or Ghandi and salt - and the tactic should be sparingly recommended - hence it loses its ability to make an example out of something or someone. If I need to parse the personal opinions and beliefs of corporate CEO's before buying, watching, eating etc...I would never get anything done.

A great example is the connection between NewsCorporation, the Murdochs and political conservatives here and in the UK. The entertainment division of the company panders to the lowest common demoninators in order to prosper (just check out the drivel this summer masquerading as entertainment on the Fox Network as an example) while at the same time the news division constantly extolls the conservative cause and promotes values based commentators. Hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to making money.

I am not saying that making money is inherently evil or 'bad', just that you have to take stuff like this with a big grain of salt.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 30, 2012, 10:16:01 AM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

Just not true unless you buy false definitions. If a Gay person is Married  there are no separate requirements.


Only when they attempt to form a faux Marriage to each other are there extra requirements, but the whole thing is a sham to begin with.

I have known many couples over the years where one of them is Homosexual ( most often the man). Sometimes they can work it out, sometimes not. Marriage is a rough game.

This entire political issue focuses only on one segment of the Homosexual community as if that is all there is. Gay people marry the opposite sex have children and lead a normal life all the time. .. None of them count.  How many RCC Priests are Gay? Only one Gay culture counts it seems.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: katherineofdixie on July 30, 2012, 10:31:02 AM
I am increasingly puzzled by the notion that having a different opinion about something is being phobic or spiteful or oppressive.

Btw, my 85-yr-old mother and her 90-yr-old friend plan to eat at Chick-fil-A on Wednesday. Neither one is doing it to spite anyone.

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: StGeorge on July 30, 2012, 10:36:41 AM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.

It would be great if there were no culture war, yet I do not see the war as something which can be ended easily.  The foundational views, even on what is truth, for the opposing groups are different, and when people of one belief stand up for what they believe is true, people of another disposition often see this action as a heinous attack on (or misuse of) freedom, an impediment to (or reversal of) progress, and so actively seek to stop the other side.

I agree that Christian values are eroding, yet I think it important to note that what is seen as Christian erosion by one side is Christian progress for the other.  Many churches which are "liberal" see themselves as true followers of Christ's commandments.  They focus much on the love and acceptance of Christ, and consider anti-homosexuality verses as coming from a less sophisticated society (which practiced slavery, the patriarchal subjugation of women, etc.) and so without application for today.          
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 30, 2012, 10:47:40 AM
I am increasingly puzzled by the notion that having a different opinion about something is being phobic or spiteful or oppressive.

Btw, my 85-yr-old mother and her 90-yr-old friend plan to eat at Chick-fil-A on Wednesday. Neither one is doing it to spite anyone.



Here is what I think is going on. If you uphold the Judeo Christian form of Marriage and oppose it's redefinition, you are ipso facto a bigot.

They are trying to tie any opposition to redefining marriage to the former Civil Rights Movements in this country.  The problem is that many people who fought for Civil Rights for Blacks also oppose re defining marriage. But that's the angle.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 30, 2012, 11:30:29 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 30, 2012, 11:41:23 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Manalive on July 30, 2012, 11:41:50 AM
I'll boycott Chick-Fil-A on Sunday
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on July 30, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
^What about the other days of the week?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Manalive on July 30, 2012, 11:45:18 AM
^What about the other days of the week?

Nope ;D
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on July 30, 2012, 11:47:48 AM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 30, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 30, 2012, 12:03:10 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 30, 2012, 12:33:13 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Yes, I'm well aware.  I also know the Baptist missionary to Romania who serves now  as priest in the Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral.  Pure Gold Fears No Fire.

Better them than the socialists and the secularists.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
^What about the other days of the week?
I think its a joke: they are not open on Sunday.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: NicholasMyra on July 30, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
"$3 million in contributions that the Cathy family foundation has made to conservative organizations such as the Family Research Council."

"The Rev. Roger Oldham, spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, said many Christians want to support businesses owned by fellow believers, and the loyalty intensifies 'when Christians see a fellow Christian being persecuted."

LOL.

From fail news: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/27/chick-fil-sandwiches-become-political-symbol/
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 12:48:20 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h
You know, the concept "of entry level job" isn't all that hard to grasp.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 30, 2012, 12:51:37 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 30, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Neither should he happening.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on July 30, 2012, 02:44:48 PM
^What about the other days of the week?
I think its a joke: they are not open on Sunday.

Oh, I know. I just wanted to see if the boycott would extend to when they are actually open.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 30, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 30, 2012, 02:58:21 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Yes, I'm well aware.  I also know the Baptist missionary to Romania who serves now  as priest in the Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral.  Pure Gold Fears No Fire.

Better them than the socialists and the secularists.
That's a very rare exception. Met that priest a couple of times, he even preached in his baptist days in my hometown, I found out.
He's so rare a phenomenon that even the local newspaper ("Adevarul" back then) wrote about it when it happened.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on July 30, 2012, 03:28:44 PM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Neither should he happening.

And many homosexuals who have gotten married are now divorced.

"Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize he was last month's life partner." I can imagine the conversations.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  ;)


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

Evidently they shall dictate to you, what with how you choose to do things based on what the gays say.
This is our Stonewall.  This shall not stand.

Wait, who got arrested for a victimless crime?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

Just not true unless you buy false definitions. If a Gay person is Married  there are no separate requirements.


Only when they attempt to form a faux Marriage to each other are there extra requirements, but the whole thing is a sham to begin with.

I have known many couples over the years where one of them is Homosexual ( most often the man). Sometimes they can work it out, sometimes not. Marriage is a rough game.

This entire political issue focuses only on one segment of the Homosexual community as if that is all there is. Gay people marry the opposite sex have children and lead a normal life all the time. .. None of them count.  How many RCC Priests are Gay? Only one Gay culture counts it seems.

So many things to say...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list.



Because we all know that if you stay at Chik-Fil-A for 365 days, you get promoted to regional supervisor.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 30, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.

Really?  Ezekial might disagree (read 16:49,50).  Oh, I forgot for a moment; the only sin in Sodom was that all the guys were gay, not any of those things the prophets mention...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: That person on July 30, 2012, 08:10:29 PM
If all the guys were gay, it makes you wonder why it was worth destroying. Only scenario I can think of is that a lot of people were moving into the city and all the guys were catching gay germs.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on July 30, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...

Impossible to live on?  You're making a lot of assumptions with this.  First, you assume that everyone who works there lives by him/herself that there is no spouse or that they are youngsters who don't live with parents/guardians.  Second, it's amazing what people in poverty have in their possessions (see below).  Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 

(http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 30, 2012, 09:48:39 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list.



Because we all know that if you stay at Chik-Fil-A for 365 days, you get promoted to regional supervisor.

She worked her way up. I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to be done.. Nice woman. I don't think she went Harvard.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on July 31, 2012, 02:04:19 AM
Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...

Impossible to live on?  You're making a lot of assumptions with this.  First, you assume that everyone who works there lives by him/herself that there is no spouse or that they are youngsters who don't live with parents/guardians.  Second, it's amazing what people in poverty have in their possessions (see below).  Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 

(http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg)

You assume far too much about me.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Nicene on July 31, 2012, 05:32:49 AM
I would get a Chick Fil A if I lived in america solely to support them against those who want to boycott them from gasp, holding a non politcally correct opinion.

Quite frankly I think government should stay out of marraige totally.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 31, 2012, 07:30:02 AM
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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 31, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.

Really?  Ezekial might disagree (read 16:49,50).  Oh, I forgot for a moment; the only sin in Sodom was that all the guys were gay, not any of those things the prophets mention...
Read Jude 7 (and the first half of Ezekial 16, all that sexual immorality stuff).

And look up the traditional lists of "sins that cry out to heaven": they include promotion of homosexual behavior.  They don't include failure to promote socialism.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 31, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on July 31, 2012, 10:15:22 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on July 31, 2012, 12:55:39 PM
If Chick-Fil-A wants to say that, I say let them. It doesnt matter. If you're angry about it, dont eat there.

I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

PP



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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: alanscott on July 31, 2012, 01:48:56 PM

I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

PP

I think you make a fair point. I was in a conversation with a few folks that were praising the mayors of Boston and Chicago, as well as those on collage campuses that seem to be attempting to put Chick-Fill-A out of business. (a couple locations or future contracts @ collages have already been closed or cancelled)

I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on July 31, 2012, 01:50:53 PM
Quote
I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage
Im sure the answer you received was equally entertaining :)

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: alanscott on July 31, 2012, 02:27:29 PM
Quote
I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage
Im sure the answer you received was equally entertaining :)

PP

Well, they had a few things to say but I'm still waiting on an answer.  ;)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on July 31, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 31, 2012, 10:08:00 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job.  

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text?  
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.

You set up a false dichotomy.  You can, and many do, be a rugged individualist and build up the community, help others and care about others before yourself.  In fact, most American Evangelical types I know manage to do all of the above.  Augustine's favorite parish, full of former Evangelicals continue to do all of the above.  Evidently that is how they earn his envy.

as for every man for himself: nearly every job I've been offered told me how much I'd be paid for it.  It it wasn't enough, I didn't accept it.  It didn't come as a surprise.  If I offered my services, I told them how much it would be up front.  Sometimes I offered them for free, and was given something anyways.  I don't find such things hard market principles to grasp.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on July 31, 2012, 10:20:50 PM
for those interested, here is a blog that an Anglican priest i know posted.  i thought he had some good thoughts, particularly the last paragraph...

http://thefatherbrown.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/chick-fil-a-and-my-sanctification/
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Hiwot on July 31, 2012, 10:43:53 PM
for those interested, here is a blog that an Anglican priest i know posted.  i thought he had some good thoughts, particularly the last paragraph...

http://thefatherbrown.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/chick-fil-a-and-my-sanctification/

and to those who just might have asked themselves " what would Jesus do?" ......+++ Behold the Man! +++

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on July 31, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

I know a homosexual who feels the same way about both topics and gets odd looks when people find out he is a conservative.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on July 31, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM
I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

PP

It really shouldn't surprise anyone; tolerance is just a synonym for (semi)veiled hatred.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM

I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

PP

I think you make a fair point. I was in a conversation with a few folks that were praising the mayors of Boston and Chicago, as well as those on collage campuses that seem to be attempting to put Chick-Fill-A out of business. (a couple locations or future contracts @ collages have already been closed or cancelled)

I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage.

I wish ASU would remove the Chick-Fill-A franchise from the student union, and replace it with something reasonably priced, like McDonald's, or Wendy's.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.

Or one woman and multiple men.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: katherineofdixie on August 01, 2012, 10:20:43 AM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job.  

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text?  
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.

You set up a false dichotomy.  You can, and many do, be a rugged individualist and build up the community, help others and care about others before yourself.  In fact, most American Evangelical types I know manage to do all of the above.  Augustine's favorite parish, full of former Evangelicals continue to do all of the above.  Evidently that is how they earn his envy.

as for every man for himself: nearly every job I've been offered told me how much I'd be paid for it.  It it wasn't enough, I didn't accept it.  It didn't come as a surprise.  If I offered my services, I told them how much it would be up front.  Sometimes I offered them for free, and was given something anyways.  I don't find such things hard market principles to grasp.



I think that we are supposed to help and care for others. But there are many ways and methods to do that. Most people, unless they are perhaps sociopaths, do not think it's a swell idea to push elderly people off cliffs or starve children. the discussion that often occurs between folks is about differing methods to accomplish helping and caring for others, not whether or not we should.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 01, 2012, 10:47:12 AM


Quite frankly I think government should stay out of marraige totally.
It certainly is a state issue rather then a federal issue.  The state issues the license so its up to them.  Some have given the ok, about 38 have said no. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 01, 2012, 10:49:19 AM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 11:37:42 AM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
emphasis added

Doesn't this silliness belong in the "politics" thread?   :police:

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 01, 2012, 11:47:21 AM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
emphasis added

Doesn't this silliness belong in the "politics" thread?   :police:


If it's your silliness you mean, then it belongs to the history's dumpster.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?
But see you are condemning homosexuals because you classify how they act as sinful. I don't think that's the right approach. but meh.

Look all I'm saying is CFA should be focused on running their business instead of using it as a platform to promote their beliefs.

Oh

Quote
"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

Quote
When asked whether his company had an established position against marriage equality, Cathy said, "guilty as charged."
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/17/chick-fil-coo-dan-cathy-officially-comes-out-antigay

Also Cathy is basically saying that "pro-family" doesn't involve families that are raised by gay couples, which is a ridiculous statement.
emphasis added

 :D :D :D  Your statement would be less laughable and irrelevant if you could point to any examples of CFA stores discriminating against homosexuals in hiring &/or promotions;  or if CFA stores sought to make homosexuals uncomfortable by offering a "Hetero Sandwich" on its menu.  If I recall, there is a certain ice cream company that places its political activism right on its web site and even highlights its political views in the names of some of its products;  however, their opponents are not calling for them to be denied licenses to operate, or to be shut down.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 12:01:50 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
emphasis added

Doesn't this silliness belong in the "politics" thread?   :police:


If it's your silliness you mean, then it belongs to the history's dumpster.

I believe you meant to say "ash heap of history".  You can't even get your political quote right, when using Trotsky to counter my assertion that you are being political!

 ;D   :D   :D
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 12:07:01 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
emphasis added

 ???  So, the CEO answering a question in an interview about his personal beliefs is "engaging in a cultural war", but those calling for his business to be shut down aren't? 

 ::)

I guess people with whom you disagree should never express their opinions.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 01, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

Or one man and several women.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 01:50:24 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

Or one man and several women.
Yeah, the "marriage equality" crowd isn't calling for marriage to redefined with an old definition.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 01, 2012, 01:52:30 PM
They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job.  

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text?  
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.

You set up a false dichotomy.  You can, and many do, be a rugged individualist and build up the community, help others and care about others before yourself.  In fact, most American Evangelical types I know manage to do all of the above.  Augustine's favorite parish, full of former Evangelicals continue to do all of the above.  Evidently that is how they earn his envy.

as for every man for himself: nearly every job I've been offered told me how much I'd be paid for it.  It it wasn't enough, I didn't accept it.  It didn't come as a surprise.  If I offered my services, I told them how much it would be up front.  Sometimes I offered them for free, and was given something anyways.  I don't find such things hard market principles to grasp.



I think that we are supposed to help and care for others. But there are many ways and methods to do that. Most people, unless they are perhaps sociopaths, do not think it's a swell idea to push elderly people off cliffs or starve children. the discussion that often occurs between folks is about differing methods to accomplish helping and caring for others, not whether or not we should.

I would be a little harder on Conservatives than that. I would say that Christians should favor laws that benefit the poor.

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
I would be a little harder on Conservatives than that. I would say that Christians should favor laws that benefit the poor.
Ah, the devil in the details. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 01, 2012, 01:59:50 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

mmmmmmmmmmm  rib (s).

Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
Oh, Ezekiel has plenty to say about, or rather against, those who can't keep their pants on or drop them with inappropriate company.  Look at the first half of that chapter in Ezekiel.

I don't dislike sodomites.  Heck, I don't dislike sodomy (we have a rather large thread, if not a few, on that). No "ikh factor."  I have no use for the pro-sodom agenda, which includes, but is not limited to, promotion of homosexual behavior as "normal."

And what's wrong with loving the sinner and hating the sin?  Otherwise there would be nobody to love, and libertinism would reign.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 02:06:02 PM
Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Neither should he happening.
Note one thing Cathy was not asked, but did say, he and the rest are married to their first wives.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 01, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
Oh, Ezekiel has plenty to say about, or rather against, those who can't keep their pants on or drop them with inappropriate company.  Look at the first half of that chapter in Ezekiel.

I don't dislike sodomites.  Heck, I don't dislike sodomy (we have a rather large thread, if not a few, on that). No "ikh factor."  I have no use for the pro-sodom agenda, which includes, but is not limited to, promotion of homosexual behavior as "normal."

And what's wrong with loving the sinner and hating the sin?  Otherwise there would be nobody to love, and libertinism would reign.

So that begs the next question. Is it then okay to have same sex attraction or is that in and of itself a spiritual deformation?

We often say that people cant help their sexual urges but it's okay as long as they dont act upon them. Or are we being too easy and the real scriptural injunctions and  Christian Tradition says that same sex attraction is a Spiritual illness, acted upon or not.

I think the latter but it's far less politically correct.

Btw...Long long lines at Chick Fil -A today

 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: katherineofdixie on August 01, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
I would be a little harder on Conservatives than that. I would say that Christians should favor laws that benefit the poor.


Ok, but what laws do benefit the poor? That's what I was talking about - everyone can want to help the poor, but we can certainly have different ideas about how to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on August 01, 2012, 02:33:40 PM
Quote
Is it then okay to have same sex attraction
To reference Fr. Hopko, it is nothing more than a temptation to have sex. That in and of itself is not an act. He was pretty clear that it is fine, but it is what you do WITH that temptation, just like anything else, is either sinful or not.

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
Oh, Ezekiel has plenty to say about, or rather against, those who can't keep their pants on or drop them with inappropriate company.  Look at the first half of that chapter in Ezekiel.

I don't dislike sodomites.  Heck, I don't dislike sodomy (we have a rather large thread, if not a few, on that). No "ikh factor."  I have no use for the pro-sodom agenda, which includes, but is not limited to, promotion of homosexual behavior as "normal."

And what's wrong with loving the sinner and hating the sin?  Otherwise there would be nobody to love, and libertinism would reign.

So that begs the next question. Is it then okay to have same sex attraction or is that in and of itself a spiritual deformation?

We often say that people cant help their sexual urges but it's okay as long as they dont act upon them. Or are we being too easy and the real scriptural injunctions and  Christian Tradition says that same sex attraction is a Spiritual illness, acted upon or not.

I think the latter but it's far less politically correct.

Btw...Long long lines at Chick Fil -A today

 
Illness, like being blind, with all that that implies.  John 9:2-3.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on August 01, 2012, 02:57:32 PM
During my visit to Chick-Fil-A today, I was asked, before purchase, to present my Heterosexual ID card.  Oh wait that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: alanscott on August 01, 2012, 03:04:39 PM
Quote
Is it then okay to have same sex attraction
To reference Fr. Hopko, it is nothing more than a temptation to have sex. That in and of itself is not an act. He was pretty clear that it is fine, but it is what you do WITH that temptation, just like anything else, is either sinful or not.

PP

Let me ask, and this would not be limited to homosexual tendencies, but any lustful thoughts:

I would agree that it is not the thought that is a sin, but the action. Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on August 01, 2012, 03:06:55 PM
Quote
Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?
Just like any other obsession that deters you from God I would imagine. But Im not a priest so......:)

Quote
During my visit to Chick-Fil-A today, I was asked, before purchase, to present my Heterosexual ID card.  Oh wait that didn't happen
Yeah, a few of my mates went today for lunch and said the lines were wrapped around the building/drivethru/backed up in the mall somethin awful.

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Veniamin on August 01, 2012, 03:10:35 PM
Yeah, a few of my mates went today for lunch and said the lines were wrapped around the building/drivethru/backed up in the mall somethin awful.

That's actually every single Chick-Fil-A I've ever been to, no matter the time, place, or controversy.  It's just always packed (maybe because there are fewer of their restaraunts than say, Taco Bell).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: alanscott on August 01, 2012, 03:11:10 PM

Illness, like being blind, with all that that implies.  John 9:2-3.
[/quote]

This Scripture would cleary apply if they were to prove that homosexuality is indeed genetic yes?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on August 01, 2012, 03:13:23 PM
Quote
That's actually every single Chick-Fil-A I've ever been to, no matter the time, place, or controversy
Thats because they have the best chicken sandwich ever...and the waffle fries are big, generous, and salty...friggin amazing.

That got me thinking, they should go into the fried chicken biz...they'd destroy KFC and the current "PP's favorite chicken place" Bojangles.

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: alanscott on August 01, 2012, 03:19:05 PM
Quote
Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?
Just like any other obsession that deters you from God I would imagine. But Im not a priest so......:)


Same here. On both accounts  ;)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
emphasis added

 ???  So, the CEO answering a question in an interview about his personal beliefs is "engaging in a cultural war", but those calling for his business to be shut down aren't? 

 ::)

I guess people with whom you disagree should never express their opinions.

You read too much into other people's statements; I encourage you to work on that.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
Oh, Ezekiel has plenty to say about, or rather against, those who can't keep their pants on or drop them with inappropriate company.  Look at the first half of that chapter in Ezekiel.

I don't dislike sodomites.  Heck, I don't dislike sodomy (we have a rather large thread, if not a few, on that). No "ikh factor."  I have no use for the pro-sodom agenda, which includes, but is not limited to, promotion of homosexual behavior as "normal."

And what's wrong with loving the sinner and hating the sin?  Otherwise there would be nobody to love, and libertinism would reign.

So that begs the next question. Is it then okay to have same sex attraction or is that in and of itself a spiritual deformation?

We often say that people cant help their sexual urges but it's okay as long as they dont act upon them. Or are we being too easy and the real scriptural injunctions and  Christian Tradition says that same sex attraction is a Spiritual illness, acted upon or not.

I think the latter but it's far less politically correct.

Btw...Long long lines at Chick Fil -A today

 

Homosexuality is no more a spiritual illness than any other temptation.  The very desire to sin is, itself, a distortion of the created order and shows that anyone who has any desire to sin is ill, spiritally (personally I don't really like the "illness" and "hospital" talk, but I suppose that's just personal preference).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 03:48:48 PM
Yeah, a few of my mates went today for lunch and said the lines were wrapped around the building/drivethru/backed up in the mall somethin awful.

That's actually every single Chick-Fil-A I've ever been to, no matter the time, place, or controversy.  It's just always packed (maybe because there are fewer of their restaraunts than say, Taco Bell).

This is my experience as well.  I've eaten there a few times, at three different locations (one a free-standing store, one at a mall - I believe - and one at the student union at ASU) and all three were quite busy.  The one at ASU is usually rather busy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: HabteSelassie on August 01, 2012, 04:06:44 PM
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I would be a little harder on Conservatives than that. I would say that Christians should favor laws that benefit the poor.


Ok, but what laws do benefit the poor? That's what I was talking about - everyone can want to help the poor, but we can certainly have different ideas about how to accomplish that.

Medicaid and the Social Security Act ..  The Civil Rights Act.. The Americans with Disabilities Disabilities Act.   As an American, these are legislation which I adore a highly as the British revere the Magna Carta  :)

stay blessed,
habte selassie
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
emphasis added

 ???  So, the CEO answering a question in an interview about his personal beliefs is "engaging in a cultural war", but those calling for his business to be shut down aren't? 

 ::)

I guess people with whom you disagree should never express their opinions.

You read too much into other people's statements; I encourage you to work on that.
emphasis added

I consider that a non-responsive response.  When you can't answer your critics, accuse them of misunderstanding (without providing specifics), and then make a snarky remark.  (Not so) Nice try.  ;)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 01, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
My CFA was also packed today:  line out the door, and drive-thru line out the parking lot and into the street. 
BTW, This is NOT typical for any CFA I have seen other than today
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 01, 2012, 04:13:26 PM
CFA- the new shrine of the American conservative religion.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
emphasis added

 ???  So, the CEO answering a question in an interview about his personal beliefs is "engaging in a cultural war", but those calling for his business to be shut down aren't? 

 ::)

I guess people with whom you disagree should never express their opinions.

You read too much into other people's statements; I encourage you to work on that.
emphasis added

I consider that a non-responsive response.  When you can't answer your critics, accuse them of misunderstanding (without providing specifics), and then make a snarky remark.  (Not so) Nice try.  ;)


There is no such thing as a non-responsive response.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on August 01, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.


If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.
emphasis added

 ???  So, the CEO answering a question in an interview about his personal beliefs is "engaging in a cultural war", but those calling for his business to be shut down aren't? 

 ::)

I guess people with whom you disagree should never express their opinions.

You read too much into other people's statements; I encourage you to work on that.
emphasis added

I consider that a non-responsive response.  When you can't answer your critics, accuse them of misunderstanding (without providing specifics), and then make a snarky remark.  (Not so) Nice try.  ;)


There is no such thing as a non-responsive response.

Sure there is.

"Do you support gay marriage?"
"I like ice cream."

That was a non-responsive response.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 01, 2012, 04:25:31 PM
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on August 01, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
Quote
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties
So before the 40's and 50's I take it gay marriage, marriage to horses or inanimate objects was ok, correct?

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: HabteSelassie on August 01, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Quote
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties
So before the 40's and 50's I take it gay marriage, marriage to horses or inanimate objects was ok, correct?

PP

No, but in America "traditional marriage" often has absolutely nothing to do with Sacramental Marriage, and so for all intents and purposes, there is really no difference, both gay and straight marriage in the American sense are equally heterodox.  Only the Lutherans and Anglicans in the US have practised Sacramental Marriage, and we would debate even this. We Orthodox and Catholics then not be defending traditional American marriage rather we should be promoting the vocation of The Divine Mystery of Holy Matrimony, and not really get caught up in the rest.  For example, this Chick-fil-A company is nice for practising Christian values in the work-place, however, in all honesty, Mormon marriage is not Sacramental or recognized by the Church, so what are we applauding here exactly?

stay blessed,
habte selassie
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Quote
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties
So before the 40's and 50's I take it gay marriage, marriage to horses or inanimate objects was ok, correct?

PP
I've heard stories about lonely Romanian shepherds. Maybe Augustine will share.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
My CFA was also packed today:  line out the door, and drive-thru line out the parking lot and into the street. 
BTW, This is NOT typical for any CFA I have seen other than today
I heard the one outside Chicago had a two hour wait.  The manager had people bring out water.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
CFA- the new shrine of the American conservative religion.
jealous.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TK04DD1Ehmk/S6E85bgSUfI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/NBftZCdmrR4/s400/McDonalds.jpg)
that's not the bread line in Moscow, comrade.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:44:53 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.
Why?  We have the original blue print, why should we hunt down permutations of deviance therefrom?  But even in that, you are wrong. Simple biology has helped to pull cultures back to the straight and narrow, and as a consequence the vast majority of marriages in all cultures have been monogamy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 01, 2012, 04:50:19 PM
Quote
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties
So before the 40's and 50's I take it gay marriage, marriage to horses or inanimate objects was ok, correct?

PP

Did you really just suggest that gay marriage is comparable to bestiality or "marrying" an object?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 01, 2012, 04:50:53 PM
During my visit to Chick-Fil-A today, I was asked, before purchase, to present my Heterosexual ID card.  Oh wait that didn't happen.
What?!  Was the gay-dar broken?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: HabteSelassie on August 01, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

(http://www.woodbinefarmersmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/food-inc1.jpg)

CFA- the new shrine of the American conservative religion.
jealous.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TK04DD1Ehmk/S6E85bgSUfI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/NBftZCdmrR4/s400/McDonalds.jpg)
that's not the bread line in Moscow, comrade.

(http://qph.cf.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6c1bf5ff974bae82a40ba6dec98a84d3)
stay blessed,
habte selassie
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shanghaiski on August 01, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
Quote
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties
So before the 40's and 50's I take it gay marriage, marriage to horses or inanimate objects was ok, correct?

PP

Did you really just suggest that gay marriage is comparable to bestiality or "marrying" an object?

It's worse.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 01, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.

Because people were wrong in the past no way supports the notion we should make the same mistakes today.  I'm more interested in the original marriage than all the fake ones which came later.  Sort of like leaving Protestantism for Orthodoxy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 01, 2012, 06:31:25 PM
Quote
Is it then okay to have same sex attraction
To reference Fr. Hopko, it is nothing more than a temptation to have sex. That in and of itself is not an act. He was pretty clear that it is fine, but it is what you do WITH that temptation, just like anything else, is either sinful or not.

PP

Let me ask, and this would not be limited to homosexual tendencies, but any lustful thoughts:

I would agree that it is not the thought that is a sin, but the action. Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?

Let's test that theory by making an extreme hypothetical. What if you are sexually attracted to animals? Not an obsession but that's what turns you on sexually. Is that a Spiritual illness in and of itself even if not acted upon? How about attraction to kids... etc.

Where is the line? How do you know which is a Spiritual attack and which one is 'just the way you are' ?

Maybe unnatural sexual attractions are just that, un natural and a form of demonic attack. We may be just separating out the various forms, Homsexuality as "Normal" but Bestiality as Perverted, solely based on current cultural norms.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 01, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
"Traditional Marriage" TM - rites practiced in the white suburbs of America ever since the late forties or early fifties.
And ordained at the creation of mankind. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 02, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.

The stance of the Bible on polygamy, and marriage in general, has nothing to do with the claim that marriage has always, everywhere, been between one man and one woman, nor does it have anything to do with the proper response to that claim (namely, that it is absurd).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 02, 2012, 12:43:12 AM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.

Because people were wrong in the past no way supports the notion we should make the same mistakes today.  I'm more interested in the original marriage than all the fake ones which came later.  Sort of like leaving Protestantism for Orthodoxy.

That's nice, but then your previous post failed to address my critique of your friend's foolish idea.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 02, 2012, 12:43:12 AM
Quote
Is it then okay to have same sex attraction
To reference Fr. Hopko, it is nothing more than a temptation to have sex. That in and of itself is not an act. He was pretty clear that it is fine, but it is what you do WITH that temptation, just like anything else, is either sinful or not.

PP

Let me ask, and this would not be limited to homosexual tendencies, but any lustful thoughts:

I would agree that it is not the thought that is a sin, but the action. Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?

Let's test that theory by making an extreme hypothetical. What if you are sexually attracted to animals? Not an obsession but that's what turns you on sexually. Is that a Spiritual illness in and of itself even if not acted upon? How about attraction to kids... etc.

Where is the line? How do you know which is a Spiritual attack and which one is 'just the way you are' ?

Maybe unnatural sexual attractions are just that, un natural and a form of demonic attack. We may be just separating out the various forms, Homsexuality as "Normal" but Bestiality as Perverted, solely based on current cultural norms.

All desire to sin is perverted; or do you think your own temptations and sinful desires are healthy and inspired by the Spirit?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 02, 2012, 09:52:39 AM
I hope all of you would agree we are involved in a great war between good and evil, God and Satan.  It has been this way for a long time.  Understanding this, we should also understand when engaged in a war where frontal assaults will fail (Satan), other tactics must be utilized, subtle tactics, from the inside to create a weakened infrastructure.  Enter evolution.  Oh, I know I'm just an uneducated goob, but if you can get people to question the Creation story God gave us, all else is warm butter and easily cut apart.  Enter the marriage debate.  If evolution is true and Adam and Eve are nothing more than a parable, there is no standard for marriage resulting in people using facts from secular history to battle against an ordination from God.  We find people within the church body arguing FOR homosexual marriages rather than protecting true marriage, we find ordained and openly/practicing homosexual ministers who welcome homosexual couples into a false teaching and believing what they do is ok, we find further division in the church body and major splits of formally conservative denominations.  Rest assured, the liturgical churches are not immune to this infection either or we would not be having this discussion.  Until we realize its a tactical move with a purpose, we have not way to stop it and make the church body strong again.  I would write more with greater detail, but I post from my phone.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 02, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Quote
Is it then okay to have same sex attraction
To reference Fr. Hopko, it is nothing more than a temptation to have sex. That in and of itself is not an act. He was pretty clear that it is fine, but it is what you do WITH that temptation, just like anything else, is either sinful or not.

PP

Let me ask, and this would not be limited to homosexual tendencies, but any lustful thoughts:

I would agree that it is not the thought that is a sin, but the action. Yet, if the thought alone were to become an obsession of sort to the point of distracting us from our own repentance and God, would that not also be sinful?

Let's test that theory by making an extreme hypothetical. What if you are sexually attracted to animals? Not an obsession but that's what turns you on sexually. Is that a Spiritual illness in and of itself even if not acted upon? How about attraction to kids... etc.

Where is the line? How do you know which is a Spiritual attack and which one is 'just the way you are' ?

Maybe unnatural sexual attractions are just that, un natural and a form of demonic attack. We may be just separating out the various forms, Homsexuality as "Normal" but Bestiality as Perverted, solely based on current cultural norms.

All desire to sin is perverted; or do you think your own temptations and sinful desires are healthy and inspired by the Spirit?

I am not sure it is the same thing.

I would say to by Gay Brother that his same sex attraction falls into the same category of sin as pre marital sex. It is sex outside of marriage, My own sinfulness in terms of sexual attraction to Women while I was single for just one of many examples, is nearly the same thing. It's the act not the urge that counts.The central sin is actually having sex ( any sex) outside of Marriage. The urge to have sex albeit with a Woman, another Man or a stack of logs is irrelevant.

I am not so sure of that now.  
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 02, 2012, 12:00:18 PM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.

The stance of the Bible on polygamy, and marriage in general, has nothing to do with the claim that marriage has always, everywhere, been between one man and one woman, nor does it have anything to do with the proper response to that claim (namely, that it is absurd).
Only if you deny that the Bible has anything to say about what is real.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 02, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
It seems this controversy is blown out of proportion by the media, like so many other things.  We went today and in the lengthy line waiting to order beside us was a homosexual female couple.  Apparently, they didn't care and like the chicken.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 02, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
The Cardinal of Chicago, also born and raised in Chicago as I, stated the matter quite nicely to our dear leader Rahm I, when he said Chick-Fil-A didn't represent "Chicago Values," by which I guess he means Blago and Tony Rezko, two of his friends.

And Louis Farrakhan
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rahm-stiffs-chick-fil-welcomes-louis-farrakhan_648990.html
Quote
Recent comments by those who administer our city seem to assume that the city government can decide for everyone what are the “values” that must be held by citizens of Chicago. I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval. Must those whose personal values do not conform to those of the government of the day move from the city? Is the City Council going to set up a “Council Committee on Un-Chicagoan Activities” and call those of us who are suspect to appear before it? I would have argued a few days ago that I believe such a move is, if I can borrow a phrase, “un-Chicagoan.”

The value in question is espousal of “gender-free marriage.” Approval of state-sponsored homosexual unions has very quickly become a litmus test for bigotry; and espousing the understanding of marriage that has prevailed among all peoples throughout human history is now, supposedly, outside the American consensus. Are Americans so exceptional that we are free to define “marriage” (or other institutions we did not invent) at will? What are we re-defining?

People who are not Christian or religious at all take for granted that marriage is the union of a man and a woman for the sake of family and, of its nature, for life. The laws of civilizations much older than ours assume this understanding of marriage. This is also what religious leaders of almost all faiths have taught throughout the ages. Jesus affirmed this understanding of marriage when he spoke of “two becoming one flesh” (Mt. 19: 4-6). Was Jesus a bigot? Could Jesus be accepted as a Chicagoan? Would Jesus be more “enlightened” if he had the privilege of living in our society? One is welcome to believe that, of course; but it should not become the official state religion, at least not in a land that still fancies itself free. Surely there must be a way to properly respect people who are gay or lesbian without using civil law to undermine the nature of marriage.  Surely we can find a way not to play off newly invented individual rights to “marriage” against constitutionally protected freedom of religious belief and religious practice. The State’s attempting to redefine marriage has become a defining moment not for marriage, which is what it is, but for our increasingly fragile “civil union” as citizens.
http://www.archchicago.org/blog/
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 02, 2012, 04:41:14 PM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.

Because people were wrong in the past no way supports the notion we should make the same mistakes today.  I'm more interested in the original marriage than all the fake ones which came later.  Sort of like leaving Protestantism for Orthodoxy.

That's nice, but then your previous post failed to address my critique of your friend's foolish idea.

What friend and what idea?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on August 02, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
I don't think Jesus ever agitated against Roman marriage laws.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 03, 2012, 12:31:27 AM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.

The stance of the Bible on polygamy, and marriage in general, has nothing to do with the claim that marriage has always, everywhere, been between one man and one woman, nor does it have anything to do with the proper response to that claim (namely, that it is absurd).
Only if you deny that the Bible has anything to say about what is real.

Are you intentionally being dense, or do you genuinely not understand what Augustin was responding to?  He was responding to a claim that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman; unless you have no knowledge of almost any other cultures and little knowledge of history, it is blatantly obvious that such an idea is false, and the Bible in no way supports the idea that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman.  In fact, the Bible itself proves marriage has not always been between one man and one woman.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 03, 2012, 12:31:27 AM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.

Because people were wrong in the past no way supports the notion we should make the same mistakes today.  I'm more interested in the original marriage than all the fake ones which came later.  Sort of like leaving Protestantism for Orthodoxy.

That's nice, but then your previous post failed to address my critique of your friend's foolish idea.

What friend and what idea?

It seems I mixed you up with sprtslvr1973, but nonetheless your post failed to address my critique of the idea layed out in the post to which I originally responded.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Opus118 on August 03, 2012, 01:30:48 AM
I hope all of you would agree we are involved in a great war between good and evil, God and Satan.  It has been this way for a long time.  Understanding this, we should also understand when engaged in a war where frontal assaults will fail (Satan), other tactics must be utilized,
subtle tactics, from the inside to create a weakened infrastructure.
I agree, I am just not sure what side you are on (honestly).

Quote
  Enter evolution.  Oh, I know I'm just an uneducated goob, but if you can get people to question the Creation story God gave us, all else is warm butter and easily cut apart.

You are not uneducated, you have a much finer ability to express yourself in the English language than I do. I would replace ignorant for uneducated since your education seems fine to me. What you are describing is a variation of the domino theory. Your thoughts on Vietnam would be useful here.

Quote
Enter the marriage debate.  If evolution is true and Adam and Eve are nothing more than a parable, there is no standard for marriage resulting in people using facts from secular history to battle against an ordination from God.
I see nothing of the  sort. Explain yourself.

Quote
We find people within the church body arguing FOR homosexual marriages rather than protecting true marriage, we find ordained and openly/practicing homosexual ministers who welcome homosexual couples into a false teaching and believing what they do is ok, we find further division in the church body and major splits of formally conservative denominations.  Rest assured, the liturgical churches are not immune to this infection either or we would not be having this discussion.  Until we realize its a tactical move with a purpose, we have not way to stop it and make the church body strong again.  I would write more with greater detail, but I post from my phone.
I do not need more detail on this topic since I do not agree that the Episcopalians are the Church body. But if you do get off your phone you might address the other issues on a computer.

I am not picking on you Kerdy, I am just curious about how you think'
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 07:40:52 AM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.

The stance of the Bible on polygamy, and marriage in general, has nothing to do with the claim that marriage has always, everywhere, been between one man and one woman, nor does it have anything to do with the proper response to that claim (namely, that it is absurd).
Only if you deny that the Bible has anything to say about what is real.

Are you intentionally being dense, or do you genuinely not understand what Augustin was responding to?  He was responding to a claim that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman; unless you have no knowledge of almost any other cultures and little knowledge of history, it is blatantly obvious that such an idea is false, and the Bible in no way supports the idea that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman.  In fact, the Bible itself proves marriage has not always been between one man and one woman.
But it does provide the design to be as such and consistently states it should be.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 07:41:56 AM
Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
Interesting.  I wonder when "new evidence" will be presented to show Adam have more wives then just Eve.

Are you suggesting I'm wrong?  If so, I encourage you to read more about other cultures, especially in times past.

Because people were wrong in the past no way supports the notion we should make the same mistakes today.  I'm more interested in the original marriage than all the fake ones which came later.  Sort of like leaving Protestantism for Orthodoxy.

That's nice, but then your previous post failed to address my critique of your friend's foolish idea.

What friend and what idea?

It seems I mixed you up with sprtslvr1973, but nonetheless your post failed to address my critique of the idea layed out in the post to which I originally responded.
No problem.  Mixups happen.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 07:44:42 AM
I hope all of you would agree we are involved in a great war between good and evil, God and Satan.  It has been this way for a long time.  Understanding this, we should also understand when engaged in a war where frontal assaults will fail (Satan), other tactics must be utilized,
subtle tactics, from the inside to create a weakened infrastructure.
I agree, I am just not sure what side you are on (honestly).

Quote
 Enter evolution.  Oh, I know I'm just an uneducated goob, but if you can get people to question the Creation story God gave us, all else is warm butter and easily cut apart.

You are not uneducated, you have a much finer ability to express yourself in the English language than I do. I would replace ignorant for uneducated since your education seems fine to me. What you are describing is a variation of the domino theory. Your thoughts on Vietnam would be useful here.

Quote
Enter the marriage debate.  If evolution is true and Adam and Eve are nothing more than a parable, there is no standard for marriage resulting in people using facts from secular history to battle against an ordination from God.
I see nothing of the  sort. Explain yourself.

Quote
We find people within the church body arguing FOR homosexual marriages rather than protecting true marriage, we find ordained and openly/practicing homosexual ministers who welcome homosexual couples into a false teaching and believing what they do is ok, we find further division in the church body and major splits of formally conservative denominations.  Rest assured, the liturgical churches are not immune to this infection either or we would not be having this discussion.  Until we realize its a tactical move with a purpose, we have not way to stop it and make the church body strong again.  I would write more with greater detail, but I post from my phone.
I do not need more detail on this topic since I do not agree that the Episcopalians are the Church body. But if you do get off your phone you might address the other issues on a computer.

I am not picking on you Kerdy, I am just curious about how you think'

I would love to, but I am on vacation and traveling, so I do not have access to my computer for at least the next month, but if you are unsure which side I am on (honestly), I can't imagine what I could provide to you.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 03, 2012, 11:32:24 AM
it's not to spite gay people, but a show of support for Chik-fil-a for standing up for their principles and for the norms of traditional Christian marriage in the face of a barrage of pro-gay and pro-gay marriage hatred and ridicule.

Hate the sin and not the sinner! My complaint is that the LG....whatever that acronymn is, are always in your face about the abominable behaviour.  If you want this sort of lifestyle - go for it, otherwise keep it to yourself.  I know dont want to know the if or why you are gay just leave us hetros alone.  If you ask anyone to guess what percentage of gays make up our population some will say as much as 30% and why - becuase of our "cave in media", plus this adgenda is being pushed by our TV and Movie producers.  In reality, this population is closer to 2 or 3%, but just look at the disproportionate attention these folks are receiving from the puplic at large.  Bottom line: What ever your life style choice is, keep it under your belt.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Tallitot on August 03, 2012, 06:42:26 PM
Only in America is buying yourself fast food considered a religious or political statement. In some cities people waited in line for over an hour to buy overpriced chicken sandwiches at Chick-Fil-A . When was the last time you saw hundreds of people wait in line to volunteer at homeless shelter or soup kitchen?

eta: eat at home, it's cheaper, it's healthier and tastes better. plus you know whether or not you dropped that piece of chicken on the floor.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:06:20 PM
Bottom line: What ever your life style choice is, keep it under your belt.

Then take off the wedding rings, quit talking about wives, husbands, boyfriends, girlfriends not to mention hugging and kissing them in public. Having proms, dances, etc.

In other words stop all human sexual behavior.

Good luck with that.

Some gays make a point of their behavior using the same tactics other marginalized people did: blacks with their sit-ins.

Most would be just glad to be able to do what you heteros do without worrying about any flack.

So give them the latter and you will receive the end of the former.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 03, 2012, 07:16:38 PM
I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.

So say everyone who is privileged.

Sorry buddy, but I've seen real violence against gays just being "normal". Not to mention violence against men who "seem gay".

A lot of people still seem to care. I think this is changing in America and have seen change within my lifetime.

A kid was nearly beaten to death at my high school for acting "gay". There were no "gays" where I lived. Of there were, but you get my point.

All this demonstrating and stuff will go away once folks truly don't create a hostile environment for homosexuals.

The politics of identity is too complicated for such reductionism. And unfortunately as I have said in other threads the politics of identity takes away from the real discussion: class.

But I cannot deny that in my city, as gay friendly as it is (it gets a bad and inaccurate rap in this regard) there are some places where its a matter of safety about how one, especially men, comport themselves, much less if they happen to be out and about in a casual manner with their boyfriend.  
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:30:43 PM
FWIW, one of the "gayer" parts of my city has their annual festival around the 4th of July with a ridiculous parade.

I don't really like festivals. And every parade is a gay one in my book. And I find the whole thing ridiculous and demeaning frankly, but I understand from where such behavior comes.

And I just ignore it.

NBD.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: FantaLimon on August 03, 2012, 07:36:19 PM
Gays are okay with people feeling better than them.  Gays do want to keep their lifestyle to themselves, but their quality of life is purposefully infringed upon by these "pro-family" organizations.  Most want to lead normal lives like the rest of America, but because they bond outside the law their relationships don't matter.  Federal law protects against discrimination because of race, religion, ethnicity, age, sex, and disabilities.  You'll notice something is missing.  Gay partnerships do not matter to the IRS, to federal law, or to employers.  It is fully legal to discriminate as an employer and landlord (though that is starting to change) specifically on the basis of sexual orientation.    Over 1000 benefits and privileges enjoyed by heterosexual couples are denied to gays.  Some criticize the mayors for not having examples of discrimination to justly block the expansion of Chick-fil-a.  That's missing the point- discrimination against homosexuals is all too often not legally considered discrimination to begin with.

This is not simply an omission.  It is the expressed political platform of both the national Democratic and Republican parties to prevent fully equal status of gay partnerships.  I would like to believe that this cause is championed in the name of pure theocracy, in which case it would be intellectually honest.  It is more accurate to say that many equate homosexuality to  mating with wild animals, to molesting and abusing innocent children, to rape, and to fetishism.  We have seen this occur in this thread, as if the consensual loving relationship between two males or females in the manner of a male and a female is equivalent to a heinous crime.  

To say that gays are a minority, so they should keep quiet, or they are an abomination against God, so should be rightly punished, is missing the point.  Gays pay taxes.  They serve on jury duty.  They make your hair look fabulous or work in the office alongside you.  They might even be your neighbors.  They're normal Americans who generally want the same recognition that heterosexual couples get.  They might still ask you to accept them, and you may still be disgusted by their pride parades.  Fine.  They at least want the law to accept them as full citizens, and that is what this is all about.

Now the media frenzy to create a summer story, or the politicians' scramble to score points is another matter.  But this is really about gays.  And honestly, the group of people who have the full financial attention and social respect are the Christians.  Playing martyr like the world's going to end, like Satan the lord of darkness himself is stirring your coffee at Starbucks and also looking for a tax break to further his dark ends on minimum wage doesn't change the fact that the gays still have the short end of the stick legally speaking, and are actually people who want to be treated equally when it comes to the law.

I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Class?  Like the class you show when you "forget" and disparage the LGBT acronym?  When you routinely call them abominations?  Maybe they are, but do you honestly expect them to listen to you when you talk like that?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:51:08 PM
I don't even have the time to go on about how the "right" and "conservative Christians" have made TV, Radio, Hollywood, Fortune 25 companies, etc. bend to their will through "demonstrations" and boycotting.

Now they want to complain about this?

LOL.

It proves something I learned a long time ago about the most quick to define themselves as conservative: they are the one of the few species of cowardly bully.

Most bullies ain't cowards, all your after school specials aside, the are able to wantonly pick on whoever they want for a reason, they can and have done so despite resistance.

But there is a certain species of bully that comes to be in adulthood with given excess and often unearned power. They are great at lording their power till someone, and it doesn't take much, comes along to shut them up.

I find this common in the corporate world. Law enforcement. And conservative politics.

These are the only places you are going to find the weak projecting strength in virtue on institutional protection.

Forget the After School Specials on bullies, we need After Work Specials on them.

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 03, 2012, 07:51:42 PM
The Gays have the media at least most of the media, newsprint, and major TV spots in their corner.  We live in a gay world.

Maybe the Orthodox church will approve of the gay life style.....maybe
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Gays are okay with people feeling better than them.  Gays do want to keep their lifestyle to themselves, but their quality of life is purposefully infringed upon by these "pro-family" organizations.  Most want to lead normal lives like the rest of America, but because they bond outside the law their relationships don't matter.  Federal law protects against discrimination because of race, religion, ethnicity, age, sex, and disabilities.  You'll notice something is missing.  Gay partnerships do not matter to the IRS, to federal law, or to employers.  It is fully legal to discriminate as an employer and landlord (though that is starting to change) specifically on the basis of sexual orientation.    Over 1000 benefits and privileges enjoyed by heterosexual couples are denied to gays.  Some criticize the mayors for not having examples of discrimination to justly block the expansion of Chick-fil-a.  That's missing the point- discrimination against homosexuals is all too often not legally considered discrimination to begin with.

This is not simply an omission.  It is the expressed political platform of both the national Democratic and Republican parties to prevent fully equal status of gay partnerships.  I would like to believe that this cause is championed in the name of pure theocracy, in which case it would be intellectually honest.  It is more accurate to say that many equate homosexuality to  mating with wild animals, to molesting and abusing innocent children, to rape, and to fetishism.  We have seen this occur in this thread, as if the consensual loving relationship between two males or females in the manner of a male and a female is equivalent to a heinous crime.  

To say that gays are a minority, so they should keep quiet, or they are an abomination against God, so should be rightly punished, is missing the point.  Gays pay taxes.  They serve on jury duty.  They make your hair look fabulous or work in the office alongside you.  They might even be your neighbors.  They're normal Americans who generally want the same recognition that heterosexual couples get.  They might still ask you to accept them, and you may still be disgusted by their pride parades.  Fine.  They at least want the law to accept them as full citizens, and that is what this is all about.

Now the media frenzy to create a summer story, or the politicians' scramble to score points is another matter.  But this is really about gays.  And honestly, the group of people who have the full financial attention and social respect are the Christians.  Playing martyr like the world's going to end, like Satan the lord of darkness himself is stirring your coffee at Starbucks and also looking for a tax break to further his dark ends on minimum wage doesn't change the fact that the gays still have the short end of the stick legally speaking, and are actually people who want to be treated equally when it comes to the law.

I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Class?  Like the class you show when you "forget" and disparage the LGBT acronym?  When you routinely call them abominations?  Maybe they are, but do you honestly expect them to listen to you when you talk like that?

Sorry, Fanta, but I don't like Fanta. And certainly not Fanta Limon.

But I might just go out and drink a can in solidarity with you tomorrow.

If these people will eat a crummy chicken sandwich to make a point, I guess I can drink a crummy can of soda.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 07:56:52 PM
The Gays have the media at least most of the media, newsprint, and major TV spots in their corner.  We live in a gay world.

Maybe the Orthodox church will approve of the gay life style.....maybe

Amazing how all these crazy groups which have been piled on have controlled the media.

Tallitot is right. I gotta go gay Jew so I can get the magic ring that let's me drink Fanta for free throughout the world.

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 03, 2012, 08:10:00 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Yes, I'm well aware.  I also know the Baptist missionary to Romania who serves now  as priest in the Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral.  Pure Gold Fears No Fire.

Better them than the socialists and the secularists.
I think the Arab Orthodox are better off as socialists (which I understand they usually are in Syria, Lebanon, Palesine and Jordan) than zionist baptists. Check this:
http://www.theanchorchurch.org/1.html (http://www.theanchorchurch.org/1.html)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesR on August 03, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves' and stop wearing wedding rings and hugging each other or telling a dark-skinned person to wear a mask because you don't like the color of their skin. Why do Americans even make crap like this such a big deal? Our economy is going to Hell yet most of our population is composed of overreligious right-winged idiots who care more about the religion of their president, gay marriage and evolution in public schools rather than our actual problems. I hate my country.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: FantaLimon on August 03, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves' and stop wearing wedding rings and hugging each other or telling a dark-skinned person to wear a mask because you don't like the color of their skin. Why do Americans even make crap like this such a big deal? Our economy is going to Hell yet most of our population is composed of overreligious right-winged idiots who care more about the religion of their president, gay marriage and evolution in public schools rather than our actual problems. I hate my country.
You don't hate this country.  You're just feeling the burn of being baptized into American democracy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Aaron M on August 03, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
Gays are okay with people feeling better than them.  Gays do want to keep their lifestyle to themselves, but their quality of life is purposefully infringed upon by these "pro-family" organizations.  Most want to lead normal lives like the rest of America, but because they bond outside the law their relationships don't matter.  Federal law protects against discrimination because of race, religion, ethnicity, age, sex, and disabilities.  You'll notice something is missing.  Gay partnerships do not matter to the IRS, to federal law, or to employers.  It is fully legal to discriminate as an employer and landlord (though that is starting to change) specifically on the basis of sexual orientation.    Over 1000 benefits and privileges enjoyed by heterosexual couples are denied to gays.  Some criticize the mayors for not having examples of discrimination to justly block the expansion of Chick-fil-a.  That's missing the point- discrimination against homosexuals is all too often not legally considered discrimination to begin with.

This is not simply an omission.  It is the expressed political platform of both the national Democratic and Republican parties to prevent fully equal status of gay partnerships.  I would like to believe that this cause is championed in the name of pure theocracy, in which case it would be intellectually honest.  It is more accurate to say that many equate homosexuality to  mating with wild animals, to molesting and abusing innocent children, to rape, and to fetishism.  We have seen this occur in this thread, as if the consensual loving relationship between two males or females in the manner of a male and a female is equivalent to a heinous crime.  

To say that gays are a minority, so they should keep quiet, or they are an abomination against God, so should be rightly punished, is missing the point.  Gays pay taxes.  They serve on jury duty.  They make your hair look fabulous or work in the office alongside you.  They might even be your neighbors.  They're normal Americans who generally want the same recognition that heterosexual couples get.  They might still ask you to accept them, and you may still be disgusted by their pride parades.  Fine.  They at least want the law to accept them as full citizens, and that is what this is all about.

Now the media frenzy to create a summer story, or the politicians' scramble to score points is another matter.  But this is really about gays.  And honestly, the group of people who have the full financial attention and social respect are the Christians.  Playing martyr like the world's going to end, like Satan the lord of darkness himself is stirring your coffee at Starbucks and also looking for a tax break to further his dark ends on minimum wage doesn't change the fact that the gays still have the short end of the stick legally speaking, and are actually people who want to be treated equally when it comes to the law.

I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Class?  Like the class you show when you "forget" and disparage the LGBT acronym?  When you routinely call them abominations?  Maybe they are, but do you honestly expect them to listen to you when you talk like that?

I am really not seeking a direct response from you, but just a ponder... are you homosexual, or one of the 'straight allies?'  To me it seems that some of the most anti-homo people are repressed homos, and the most "pro-" are often the straights who decide that the homos really should have access to all the perks, good social vibes and legal definitions, etc. that they themselves seem to have.  Fair enough I guess, but I wonder if it undermines the rationale for all gay (L-BTQ) 'special rights' being specially deserved on account of the harshest oppression visited upon them by the straight majority.  Perhaps the reason so many straights (and straight Christians, most younger Evangelicals and Orthodox etc. together) are coming around to support homosexual marriage and (implicitly) homo-*sexual* relationships, is that the stark lifestyle of denial that a celibate homosexual would live not by choice but by compulsion of belief, is so far different from any lifestyle allowance that exists for virtually all heterosexual people.  Sure, (straight) marriage is a sacrament, but one that can be undone and tried over at least in the Orthodox Church, Jesus' words on the matter being kindly put aside while St. Paul's (on homosexuality, the tradition offers) are retained to the strictest letter.

Personally, I think the solution to this real moral quandary would be to scale back much of the 'economy' that all Christians have grown so lax and used to so as to lord their privilege over the sexually marginalized - *rather* than to simply broaden and extend the tolerance/affirmation umbrella.  (A wannabe celibate homo, I look for the Church that would offer that kind of minimal economy, be it the world Orthodox, the Old-Calendar Orthodox, Tridentine Roman Catholics, Old Order Anabaptists, whichever.)  Yes, am nobody but a lone sinner who is going to Hell regardless of whatever sins according to Orthodoxy ... hmm, is that why there is this push for LBGTQ positive acceptance/affirmation among especially the young, convert Orthodox?

(Edit:  Above where I claim... "younger Evangelicals and Orthodox etc. together" it is only really my opinion and I'm not going to try and cover the Orthodox part.  I do recall reading some Barna Reserach Group surveys that indicate a majority of all young Evangelicals - generally who are the most "biblical" and fundamentalist-inclined - have great unease with the Evangelical leadership's positions on these issues, which I think leads to the positive acceptance or affirmation of the lifestyle, at least insofar as they might never want to hear it mentioned as a sin again.)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
The Gays have the media at least most of the media, newsprint, and major TV spots in their corner.  We live in a gay world.

Maybe the Orthodox church will approve of the gay life style.....maybe
I don't see this happening, but if the Orthodox Church starts approving of things which obviously are sinful, it stops being the Orthodox Church and people will leave.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
The Gays have the media at least most of the media, newsprint, and major TV spots in their corner.  We live in a gay world.

Maybe the Orthodox church will approve of the gay life style.....maybe
I don't see this happening, but if the Orthodox Church starts approving of things which obviously are sinful, it stops being the Orthodox Church and people will leave.

Like usury?

Yeah, people are just flocking out of the Church over that one.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 03, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
orthonorm got alot of free time eh
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 09:22:26 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves'
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.  

How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?  

A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.  This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.  What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population, but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 09:23:52 PM
orthonorm got alot of free time eh

Some time while other things are happening.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 03, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves'
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.  

How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?  

A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.  This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.  What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population, but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.

I see heteros doing it everyday.

Every
Day
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 03, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves'
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.  

How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?  

A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.  This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.  What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population, but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.
That's a really idiotic comment. Or homophobic.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves'
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.  

How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?  

A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.  This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.  What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population, but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.
That's a really idiotic comment. Or homophobic.
Or not.

But I do appreciate your intellectual input rather than stooping to the typical banter of personal attacks to those who express an unpolitically correct point of view that so many other insensible doops seem to do.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 03, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
Or you are just blind. Or still a baptist. you see, possibilities are endless.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
Or you are just blind. Or still a baptist. you see, possibilities are endless.
I should probably go with whatever John Stewart says I am.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesR on August 03, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.

Irrelevant. Even if they are not 'born that way' they still cannot change the fact that they are homosexual anymore than somebody who developed diabetes or some psychological condition can choose to come out of it. Your ignorance is frightening.

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How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?

I see heterosexuals do this everyday. The guys in the locker room bragging about their sexual deviance, the slutty blonde laughing about her sexual experiences with her slutty friends, the ex-military homophobic retired coach mocking any male who displays even the slightest bit of femininity and/or encouraging us to get girls and have heterosexual relationships etc. Then if that were not enough, you come home and turn on the television to see the exact same thing.

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A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.

Then tell your heterosexual friends to stop wearing wedding rings or hugging each other in public.

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This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.

Yeah, I'll dare them. Demanding the same legal benefits and rights that heterosexual people have. What a fiasco. Same goes for those lousy colored folks demanding to be able to use the same drinking fountains and not having to ride in the back of the bus and whatnot.

/sarcasm

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What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population

So are Orthodox Christians in America but that doesn't make us any less important now does it?

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...but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.

Yeah they do make the rest look bad. They make them look bad because the rest of them are too weak and lazy to stand up for their rights like this small percentage which has not backed down yet.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 03, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
Not at all.  Until the claim of "born that way" is substantiated, there are multiple possibilities.

Irrelevant. Even if they are not 'born that way' they still cannot change the fact that they are homosexual anymore than somebody who developed diabetes or some psychological condition can choose to come out of it. Your ignorance is frightening.

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How many other people do you see parading around like a bunch of lunatics about their sex life?  How many other groups, including heterosexuals, shoving their sexually fueled deviant desires in everyone's face, especially in elementary schools?

I see heterosexuals do this everyday. The guys in the locker room bragging about their sexual deviance, the slutty blonde laughing about her sexual experiences with her slutty friends, the ex-military homophobic retired coach mocking any male who displays even the slightest bit of femininity and/or encouraging us to get girls and have heterosexual relationships etc. Then if that were not enough, you come home and turn on the television to see the exact same thing.

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A little self restraint goes a long way.  Not showing behavior you ask not be shown to you also goes a long way.

Then tell your heterosexual friends to stop wearing wedding rings or hugging each other in public.

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This entire fiasco is their own hypocrisy.

Yeah, I'll dare them. Demanding the same legal benefits and rights that heterosexual people have. What a fiasco. Same goes for those lousy colored folks demanding to be able to use the same drinking fountains and not having to ride in the back of the bus and whatnot.

/sarcasm

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What's worse is not only the homosexual community a ultra tiny fraction of the population

So are Orthodox Christians in America but that doesn't make us any less important now does it?

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...but these militant self proclaimed victims are an even smaller percentage and makes the rest look bad.

Yeah they do make the rest look bad. They make them look bad because the rest of them are too weak and lazy to stand up for their rights like this small percentage which has not backed down yet.
Since I am on my phone I cannot respond with a deserving post, but I will do what I can by breaking up each part.

Irrelevant because you say so?  Hardly.  And in your haste to defend, are you aware you just classified homosexuality as a disease?

Do you like these individuals actions?  Me either, but now imagine they are hundreds or thousands infecting you kids at school with books supporting their agendas, making laws singling them out for special treatment, and having parades in the streets naked with your family stuck in traffic with no way out.  Pretty scary, right?

They have always had the same legal rights as everyone else.  What they demand now is new and special rights for them alone.  You have fallen prey to the propaganda.  Really? You are using the same old worn out, never worked before, argument of deviant sexual behavior is the same as race?  And you said it was irrelevant to prove people are actually born homosexual rather than any of the other dozen viable reasons.

You sorta missed my point there.  Please read it again.

How would you feel if the silent majority took to the streets and acted as foolish as these people?  See, having a double standard doesn't work in the real world, unless people ignore reality.

Edit:  I forgot to ask you provide where getting married was a legal right to anyone and not a provision provided be each individual state under specific conditions...like driving a car.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 03, 2012, 11:47:35 PM
Too sinful to fry chicken:
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/03/chick_fil_a_too_sinful_to_fry_chicken/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/08/03/chick_fil_a_too_sinful_to_fry_chicken/)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 04, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
it's not to spite gay people, but a show of support for Chik-fil-a for standing up for their principles and for the norms of traditional Christian marriage in the face of a barrage of pro-gay and pro-gay marriage hatred and ridicule.

Hate the sin and not the sinner! My complaint is that the LG....whatever that acronymn is, are always in your face about the abominable behaviour.  If you want this sort of lifestyle - go for it, otherwise keep it to yourself.  I know dont want to know the if or why you are gay just leave us hetros alone.  If you ask anyone to guess what percentage of gays make up our population some will say as much as 30% and why - becuase of our "cave in media", plus this adgenda is being pushed by our TV and Movie producers.  In reality, this population is closer to 2 or 3%, but just look at the disproportionate attention these folks are receiving from the puplic at large.  Bottom line: What ever your life style choice is, keep it under your belt.

You don't get out much, do you?  I only assume this because otherwise you should have seen any number of heterosexual people who are quite "in your face" about their sexuality.

Also, I've known gay people who are anything but "always in your face."  You really need to stop casting such a wide net over any given group of human beings.

Oh, and gays receive no more attention than do Muslims or Jews, and I believe the percentage of Muslims in this country is something like 0.8.  And Jews are at most about 2% of the population.  Yet, I've seen far more Jews in movies, and on television, etc., than I have gays despite the fact that there are most likely a slightly higher percentage of gays than of Jews in the United States.  And I see stories on the news about Muslims, and documentaries about Islam, far more frequently than I do gays.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 04, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
The Gays have the media at least most of the media, newsprint, and major TV spots in their corner.  We live in a gay world.

Maybe the Orthodox church will approve of the gay life style.....maybe

Is that why the most watched cable news network is always promoting that damnable gay marriage?  I always thought Hannity was a gay.

And what is this 'gay life style?'
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Opus118 on August 04, 2012, 12:35:19 AM
I hope all of you would agree we are involved in a great war between good and evil, God and Satan.  It has been this way for a long time.  Understanding this, we should also understand when engaged in a war where frontal assaults will fail (Satan), other tactics must be utilized,
subtle tactics, from the inside to create a weakened infrastructure.
I agree, I am just not sure what side you are on (honestly).

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 Enter evolution.  Oh, I know I'm just an uneducated goob, but if you can get people to question the Creation story God gave us, all else is warm butter and easily cut apart.

You are not uneducated, you have a much finer ability to express yourself in the English language than I do. I would replace ignorant for uneducated since your education seems fine to me. What you are describing is a variation of the domino theory. Your thoughts on Vietnam would be useful here.

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Enter the marriage debate.  If evolution is true and Adam and Eve are nothing more than a parable, there is no standard for marriage resulting in people using facts from secular history to battle against an ordination from God.
I see nothing of the  sort. Explain yourself.

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We find people within the church body arguing FOR homosexual marriages rather than protecting true marriage, we find ordained and openly/practicing homosexual ministers who welcome homosexual couples into a false teaching and believing what they do is ok, we find further division in the church body and major splits of formally conservative denominations.  Rest assured, the liturgical churches are not immune to this infection either or we would not be having this discussion.  Until we realize its a tactical move with a purpose, we have not way to stop it and make the church body strong again.  I would write more with greater detail, but I post from my phone.
I do not need more detail on this topic since I do not agree that the Episcopalians are the Church body. But if you do get off your phone you might address the other issues on a computer.

I am not picking on you Kerdy, I am just curious about how you think'

I would love to, but I am on vacation and traveling, so I do not have access to my computer for at least the next month, but if you are unsure which side I am on (honestly), I can't imagine what I could provide to you.

I based it on the post that you wrote.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: FantaLimon on August 04, 2012, 02:09:32 AM
Do you like these individuals actions?  Me either, but now imagine they are hundreds or thousands infecting you kids at school with books supporting their agendas, making laws singling them out for special treatment, and having parades in the streets naked with your family stuck in traffic with no way out.  Pretty scary, right?
What is the gay agenda? Does this bear any resemblance? (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.asp)  My guess is most gays have two desires regarding their social status: 1) Being accepted by everyone, but clearly that's not going to happen... 2) Being treated equally by the government, which I see no reason not to happen.

I know when you do a google image search a bunch of shirtless males come up, but there's a lot of un-fit, un-toned, clothed people in these parades as well...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Belgrade_pride_2010-09.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/GayFest_Bucharest_2005_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Gay_parade.jpg)

The horror...  Genitalia everywhere... No child is safe...

Now certainly you will find this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tnVZ_FoJehQ/TgOyvaA1zAI/AAAAAAAADTw/qWFaxufY3PY/s1600/gay-pride-parade.jpg)

...You must realize gays do not just have pride parades to rub their rainbow-painted chests in your face.  Pride parades are not the form of protest of decades past.  It's about uniting and celebrating coming out.  It's a joyous experience of community.  That community is a fractured one.  There are racist gays.  There are gays that look down on the transgendered, or don't want to be associated with them.  There's gay people that oddly enough don't acknowledge the validity of "bisexuality."  Some gays like to flaunt their skin, but many gays resent that behavior.  There are gays into sexual deviancy- bondage, cruising, orgies, who enjoy the idea of living in sin- and gays much more conservative.  There are feminist gays, and misogynist gays.  The purpose of a pride parade is to bring all those outlying facets of gay-dom together in the public spotlight, to unite in solidarity, to comfort oneself with community, and yes to state, "We're here, we're queer (get used to it)."

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They have always had the same legal rights as everyone else.  What they demand now is new and special rights for them alone.
Gays, ie people with a homosexual sexual orientation, do not have the same legal rights as similar group.  Their sexual orientation is not recognized as valid.  They want equal rights or privileges, copied and pasted from laws already on the books.  It is so obvious they want nothing radically new or special I don't know how to rephrase it.

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Edit:  I forgot to ask you provide where getting married was a legal right to anyone and not a provision provided be each individual state under specific conditions...like driving a car.
Are you aware of the Defense of Marriage Act?  Where is there a federal law that expressly ignores state laws which license car owners?  Which state forbids car ownership outright?  A marriage is not a piece of property.  To argue the state's must legislate their own marriage laws is one thing, but I doubt you are making this libertarian or constitutionalist argument.  Regardless of whether the specific privileges of marriage are a state issue, there is precedence for basic underlying rights and protections provided by federal law. 

Same-sex Marriage, and discrimination laws applying to sexual orientation, are quality of life issues applicable to every adult homosexual.  When the privileges and benefits of heterosexual marriage are so directly applicable to the concept of homosexual marriage, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay couple.  When the protections afforded on the basis of age, sex, race, and national origin are so directly applicable to discrimination of sexual-orientation, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay person. 

You want the pride parades to lose their frequency and fervor?  Throw the gays a bone.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: jewish voice on August 04, 2012, 02:36:32 AM
Well my view on this topic and in the spirit of the 2012 Olympics no one say's it better than the late John Lennon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU and yes I'm a dreamer!!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2012, 04:19:12 AM
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
Polygamy is never encouraged in the Bible, and every instance of it doesn't end well.  It first crops up in the corruption of Cain's line.

God only took one rib from Adam.

This has nothing to do with the post Augustin was replying to.
au contraire.  It has everything to do with it.  So Jesus says Matthew 19:4.

The stance of the Bible on polygamy, and marriage in general, has nothing to do with the claim that marriage has always, everywhere, been between one man and one woman, nor does it have anything to do with the proper response to that claim (namely, that it is absurd).
Only if you deny that the Bible has anything to say about what is real.
Are you intentionally being dense, or do you genuinely not understand what Augustin was responding to?
If you use the quote function you go back to this
Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
without any indication what he was responding to.

We can assUme it was to this (I'll bold face, as you seem to be having trouble reading it).

Fwiw,
A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.
I know a homosexual who feels the same way about both topics and gets odd looks when people find out he is a conservative.

He was responding to a claim that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman; unless you have no knowledge of almost any other cultures and little knowledge of history, it is blatantly obvious that such an idea is false
if your nose was in joint and your head out of your posterior you would see that blatantly that no such claim was made.

The post did not say "societies around the world always..."  Like the Lord, it said "from the beginning...."

The post did not say "all societies...."  Although all societies, even polygamous ones, hold up the monogamous couple as an ideal (polygamous societies have quite a literature on the evil results of it, and quite a theme of the "one man, one woman" thing).

It is blatantly and patently true what he said: there have been societies around the world from the beginning who understand marriage as God does.  It is not a creation of Calvinist Protestants in 20th century America as Augustine (and I guess, you) would have us believe.

and the Bible in no way supports the idea that marriage has always and everywhere been between one man and one woman.  In fact, the Bible itself proves marriage has not always been between one man and one woman.
The Bible has multiple examples of rape, adultery, fornication etc.  like all sorts of aberrations. But that is just it, an aberration.  The Bible never shows polygamy working out, nor something to be striven for.  And even that is irrelevant, as Christ has the final word in the Gospel and tells it like it is-one man, one woman, for life.  You may not like it, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Αριστοκλής on August 04, 2012, 08:02:42 AM
Well my view on this topic and in the spirit of the 2012 Olympics no one say's it better than the late John Lennon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU and yes I'm a dreamer!!

I song which he stated later that he was embarrassed to have made, having reassessed his views and found them to be wrong. Millions of "fans" don't believe it, but he did mature.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 08:45:19 AM
I hope all of you would agree we are involved in a great war between good and evil, God and Satan.  It has been this way for a long time.  Understanding this, we should also understand when engaged in a war where frontal assaults will fail (Satan), other tactics must be utilized,
subtle tactics, from the inside to create a weakened infrastructure.
I agree, I am just not sure what side you are on (honestly).

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 Enter evolution.  Oh, I know I'm just an uneducated goob, but if you can get people to question the Creation story God gave us, all else is warm butter and easily cut apart.

You are not uneducated, you have a much finer ability to express yourself in the English language than I do. I would replace ignorant for uneducated since your education seems fine to me. What you are describing is a variation of the domino theory. Your thoughts on Vietnam would be useful here.

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Enter the marriage debate.  If evolution is true and Adam and Eve are nothing more than a parable, there is no standard for marriage resulting in people using facts from secular history to battle against an ordination from God.
I see nothing of the  sort. Explain yourself.

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We find people within the church body arguing FOR homosexual marriages rather than protecting true marriage, we find ordained and openly/practicing homosexual ministers who welcome homosexual couples into a false teaching and believing what they do is ok, we find further division in the church body and major splits of formally conservative denominations.  Rest assured, the liturgical churches are not immune to this infection either or we would not be having this discussion.  Until we realize its a tactical move with a purpose, we have not way to stop it and make the church body strong again.  I would write more with greater detail, but I post from my phone.
I do not need more detail on this topic since I do not agree that the Episcopalians are the Church body. But if you do get off your phone you might address the other issues on a computer.

I am not picking on you Kerdy, I am just curious about how you think'

I would love to, but I am on vacation and traveling, so I do not have access to my computer for at least the next month, but if you are unsure which side I am on (honestly), I can't imagine what I could provide to you.

I based it on the post that you wrote.
Unless you are able to support your unrealistic questioning, it means almost nothing.  No offense, but because you dislike my post does not automatically question which side I am on.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 09:04:16 AM
Do you like these individuals actions?  Me either, but now imagine they are hundreds or thousands infecting you kids at school with books supporting their agendas, making laws singling them out for special treatment, and having parades in the streets naked with your family stuck in traffic with no way out.  Pretty scary, right?
What is the gay agenda? Does this bear any resemblance? (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.asp)  My guess is most gays have two desires regarding their social status: 1) Being accepted by everyone, but clearly that's not going to happen... 2) Being treated equally by the government, which I see no reason not to happen.

I know when you do a google image search a bunch of shirtless males come up, but there's a lot of un-fit, un-toned, clothed people in these parades as well...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Belgrade_pride_2010-09.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/GayFest_Bucharest_2005_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Gay_parade.jpg)

The horror...  Genitalia everywhere... No child is safe...

Now certainly you will find this:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tnVZ_FoJehQ/TgOyvaA1zAI/AAAAAAAADTw/qWFaxufY3PY/s1600/gay-pride-parade.jpg)

...You must realize gays do not just have pride parades to rub their rainbow-painted chests in your face.  Pride parades are not the form of protest of decades past.  It's about uniting and celebrating coming out.  It's a joyous experience of community.  That community is a fractured one.  There are racist gays.  There are gays that look down on the transgendered, or don't want to be associated with them.  There's gay people that oddly enough don't acknowledge the validity of "bisexuality."  Some gays like to flaunt their skin, but many gays resent that behavior.  There are gays into sexual deviancy- bondage, cruising, orgies, who enjoy the idea of living in sin- and gays much more conservative.  There are feminist gays, and misogynist gays.  The purpose of a pride parade is to bring all those outlying facets of gay-dom together in the public spotlight, to unite in solidarity, to comfort oneself with community, and yes to state, "We're here, we're queer (get used to it)."

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They have always had the same legal rights as everyone else.  What they demand now is new and special rights for them alone.
Gays, ie people with a homosexual sexual orientation, do not have the same legal rights as similar group.  Their sexual orientation is not recognized as valid.  They want equal rights or privileges, copied and pasted from laws already on the books.  It is so obvious they want nothing radically new or special I don't know how to rephrase it.

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Edit:  I forgot to ask you provide where getting married was a legal right to anyone and not a provision provided be each individual state under specific conditions...like driving a car.
Are you aware of the Defense of Marriage Act?  Where is there a federal law that expressly ignores state laws which license car owners?  Which state forbids car ownership outright?  A marriage is not a piece of property.  To argue the state's must legislate their own marriage laws is one thing, but I doubt you are making this libertarian or constitutionalist argument.  Regardless of whether the specific privileges of marriage are a state issue, there is precedence for basic underlying rights and protections provided by federal law. 

Same-sex Marriage, and discrimination laws applying to sexual orientation, are quality of life issues applicable to every adult homosexual.  When the privileges and benefits of heterosexual marriage are so directly applicable to the concept of homosexual marriage, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay couple.  When the protections afforded on the basis of age, sex, race, and national origin are so directly applicable to discrimination of sexual-orientation, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay person. 

You want the pride parades to lose their frequency and fervor?  Throw the gays a bone.
Again, I am unable to provide adequate response while on my phone, so I will touch on specific points. 

No group of people will ever be treated as truly equal, ever.  It's part of life.  They have always been treated equal under the law.  Anything else is simply false.  If you mean marrying who you want, no one else gets that.  If you make it a guarantee, send Kate Beckinsale over to my house immediately along with a few other people.  I'll start my seven wives for seven days club.  If not, why are discriminating against me?  Sexual orientation...perhaps it will help people to actually look up the definition of orientation.  Then maybe we can change it to an more appropriate word, like preference.

I see most people, in their best of intentions, fail to realize disagreeing is not bashing, it isn't hate or the most idiotic claims of some sort of phobia.  Leave the childishness on the playground.  We understand not all homosexuals are, as I previously stated, part of the problem, as many of them feel the same as I do about the hoopla.  The problem is bending to the fake victims and their ploy to take advantage of uneducated people by crying out for an emotional response rather than a rational response.  Real victims get lost in the mayhem and suffer as a result.  Todays philosophy is if you don't conform to the whining, you are a member of a hate group, which is pretty stupid.  Then they do the very thing to you they lied about being done to them.  What I don't get is how people have allowed themselves to be fooled so easily.  But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, except for those who share mine, apparently.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 04, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
Please Kerdy, stop whining! you are entitled to stupid opinions, you even vote so many holding similar opinions into office. Wake up from the delusion of persecution.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 04, 2012, 12:20:34 PM
Something tells me there are some closet cases on this forum...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 04, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Αριστοκλής on August 04, 2012, 12:58:28 PM
Something tells me there are some closet cases on this forum...

Ya think?  :o :o :o

Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Αριστοκλής on August 04, 2012, 12:59:56 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.

Truth, fiction or just plain rumor?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 04, 2012, 01:36:29 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves' and stop wearing wedding rings and hugging each other or telling a dark-skinned person to wear a mask because you don't like the color of their skin. Why do Americans even make crap like this such a big deal? Our economy is going to Hell yet most of our population is composed of overreligious right-winged idiots who care more about the religion of their president, gay marriage and evolution in public schools rather than our actual problems. I hate my country.
Who taught you to hate your country so?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 04, 2012, 01:51:34 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Please Kerdy, stop whining! you are entitled to stupid opinions, you even vote so many holding similar opinions into office. Wake up from the delusion of persecution.

Since you either refuse to or lack the ability of adult conversation, I guess your emotional outbursts must be reserved for someone it will actually have a result on.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Aaron M on August 04, 2012, 02:13:03 PM
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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
Their are 12 cases, and that includes a Muslim who claims she was fired for being Muslim.  Out of 1,614 stores in 39 states and DC over 66 years, a damn good record that I KNOW the cities of Chicago, San Francisco and Boston cannot match.

This video epitomizes this "human rights issue" campaign.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/03/viral-video-man-picking-on-chick-fil-worker-gets-him-fired/
Quote
“Chick-fil-A is a hateful company,” Smith tells the employee. "I don’t know how you sleep at night,” Smith adds at another point. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values.”
After the employee, who never loses her composure, wishes Smith a nice day, he responds “I will. I just did something really good. I feel purposeful.”
After asking her, "Rachel," how she lives with herself, he goes on to say "I'm totally heterosexual.  Not a gay in me."  Like she, or any of us, cares.

Btw, many on the other side of the issue have rightly condemned this idiot.

In Chicago someone has filed a complaint with the Human Rights board or whatever they officially call the Witch Hunt Committee in IL, that Chick Fil-A makes a hostile environment for gays to eat in.  I'm interested in seeing how far that one goes, as gay marriage is banned by statute in IL, i.e. he is suing CFA for having the same stance as the public policy State of IL (and Hussain until a few months ago, for a rea$on).  I encourage him, and everyone who hates CFA in IL, starting with Rahm, to demand that gay marriage be put up for a vote on a referendum.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2012, 02:26:19 PM
Telling someone to keep their 'gayness to themselves' as some people have advocated here is like telling a heterosexual person to keep their 'straightness to themselves' and stop wearing wedding rings and hugging each other or telling a dark-skinned person to wear a mask because you don't like the color of their skin.
Yeah, like all those lynchings at the Chick-Fil-A with the homosexual kissing. I missed that.

Lots of gays wear wedding rings. We just won't be told we have to stare at them.

Your analogies fail on all counts (btw, I'm not big on heterosexual PDA either).
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 04, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.
Chick-fil-a is a human rights issue.  Oh my!  I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.  What's next, the first amendment?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 04, 2012, 02:44:53 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 04, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.
I'm not going to do your work for you. You posted this. It's time for you to either put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 04, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
Something tells me there are some closet cases on this forum...

Just imagine the number of cloister cases in the Church . . .
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: NicholasMyra on August 04, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
Something tells me there are some closet cases on this forum...

Just imagine the number of cloister cases in the Church . . .

Cloister cases...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Are you aware of the Defense of Marriage Act?  Where is there a federal law that expressly ignores state laws which license car owners?  Which state forbids car ownership outright?  A marriage is not a piece of property.  To argue the state's must legislate their own marriage laws is one thing, but I doubt you are making this libertarian or constitutionalist argument.  Regardless of whether the specific privileges of marriage are a state issue, there is precedence for basic underlying rights and protections provided by federal law. 

Same-sex Marriage, and discrimination laws applying to sexual orientation, are quality of life issues applicable to every adult homosexual.  When the privileges and benefits of heterosexual marriage are so directly applicable to the concept of homosexual marriage, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay couple.  When the protections afforded on the basis of age, sex, race, and national origin are so directly applicable to discrimination of sexual-orientation, I don't see why they must be denied to a gay person. 

You want the pride parades to lose their frequency and fervor?  Throw the gays a bone.
Can we get that in writing?  I thought not.

Marriage is and has been a public policy issue, and therefore, according to legal principles in this country, made by the legislature. Not the executive nor the judicial.

DOMA was made because the gay agenda crowd salivated at the thought that a single trial court judge in Hawaii-not even the Hawaiian appelate or supreme court, had forced the redefinition of marriage on the rest of the country.  He, fortunately, unlike the CA Supreme Court, was sane enough and had enough integrity to stay his order pending appeal.  During appeal the people of Hawaii responded by amending the Constitution and the US Federal government responded by DOMA.

It's not anything new.  Federal law prohibits recognition of polygamos marriage, and it is a crime in most (all?) states.  You can get married to cousin, contrary to common thought, in any number of states (IIRC, in IL you have to be over 50), but not only can't you do so in Louisiana, but Louisana will not recognize your marriage if you do it elsewhere.

The state doesn't confer benefits on marriage, it derives benefits from marriage, which is why the state enacts public policy and law that protect and promote it.  That is being proved by the state doing the converse-the no fault divorce laws, the child support scheme, cohabitation as civil union, and gay marriage-all accompanied by the plumetting marriage rate, increase in problems associated with fatherless households, etc.

No case has been made that the state or public benefits by gay marriage. I know, that is hard for a society which insists on its rights while it shirks its responsibilites to grasp.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 04:08:19 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.

Then again, the tasty hate sandwich did sneak into the back seat and force this guy at gun point to act this way so he clearly has been victimized.  Those darn hate groups with chicken sandwich members are out of control.

Now that I think about it, I believe some states have laws against recording businesses and their employees.  I wonder if, no wait, I forgot he is the victim.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on August 04, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.
Chick-fil-a is a human rights issue.  Oh my!  I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry.  What's next, the first amendment?
Yes, the right to a really good chicken sandwich.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2012, 04:49:34 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 04, 2012, 07:06:46 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.

YOU made the accusations, so YOU look it up!  If not, then you can just shut up.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Opus118 on August 04, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.

YOU made the accusations, so YOU look it up!  If not, then you can just shut up.

My suspicion and hope is that Achronos (forever Aposphet to me) is commenting on the style of this particular thread. I certainly never got a decent response to my post #10. I still do not know who said what at the start and how significant they were that led to the frenzy that is this thread.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on August 04, 2012, 08:55:44 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.
Please give a reference.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: jewish voice on August 04, 2012, 09:17:03 PM
Really why all the fighting on this Issue?
Conservatives group here why you always say you want less government/ big brother then turn around and try to break in people homes and run right to there bedroom to govern  
Liberals group here why you always leave your doors unlock and then complain that people are in your bedroom govern what you do in there  

Point is no one needs to be in anyone's bedroom but their own.



Profanity replaced with something more appropriate  -PtA
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 09:21:43 PM
Really why all the fighting on this Issue?
Conservatives group here why you always say you want less government/ big brother then turn around and try to break in people homes and run right to there bedroom to govern 
Liberals group here why you always leave your doors unlock and then bitch that people are in your bedroom govern what you do in there 

Point is no one needs to be in anyone's bedroom but their own.
And if it would only remain in the bedroom.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: jewish voice on August 04, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
Really why all the fighting on this Issue?
Conservatives group here why you always say you want less government/ big brother then turn around and try to break in people homes and run right to there bedroom to govern 
Liberals group here why you always leave your doors unlock and then bitch that people are in your bedroom govern what you do in there 

Point is no one needs to be in anyone's bedroom but their own.
And if it would only remain in the bedroom.
might if you stop peeking in the window
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 04, 2012, 09:29:35 PM
Really why all the fighting on this Issue?
Conservatives group here why you always say you want less government/ big brother then turn around and try to break in people homes and run right to there bedroom to govern 
Liberals group here why you always leave your doors unlock and then bitch that people are in your bedroom govern what you do in there 

Point is no one needs to be in anyone's bedroom but their own.
And if it would only remain in the bedroom.
might if you stop peeking in the window
Better if people didn't bring it out of their home. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 04, 2012, 10:07:46 PM
Gays are okay with people feeling better than them.  Gays do want to keep their lifestyle to themselves, but their quality of life is purposefully infringed upon by these "pro-family" organizations.  Most want to lead normal lives like the rest of America, but because they bond outside the law their relationships don't matter.  Federal law protects against discrimination because of race, religion, ethnicity, age, sex, and disabilities.  You'll notice something is missing.  Gay partnerships do not matter to the IRS, to federal law, or to employers.  It is fully legal to discriminate as an employer and landlord (though that is starting to change) specifically on the basis of sexual orientation.    Over 1000 benefits and privileges enjoyed by heterosexual couples are denied to gays.  Some criticize the mayors for not having examples of discrimination to justly block the expansion of Chick-fil-a.  That's missing the point- discrimination against homosexuals is all too often not legally considered discrimination to begin with.

This is not simply an omission.  It is the expressed political platform of both the national Democratic and Republican parties to prevent fully equal status of gay partnerships.  I would like to believe that this cause is championed in the name of pure theocracy, in which case it would be intellectually honest.  It is more accurate to say that many equate homosexuality to  mating with wild animals, to molesting and abusing innocent children, to rape, and to fetishism.  We have seen this occur in this thread, as if the consensual loving relationship between two males or females in the manner of a male and a female is equivalent to a heinous crime.  

To say that gays are a minority, so they should keep quiet, or they are an abomination against God, so should be rightly punished, is missing the point.  Gays pay taxes.  They serve on jury duty.  They make your hair look fabulous or work in the office alongside you.  They might even be your neighbors.  They're normal Americans who generally want the same recognition that heterosexual couples get.  They might still ask you to accept them, and you may still be disgusted by their pride parades.  Fine.  They at least want the law to accept them as full citizens, and that is what this is all about.

Now the media frenzy to create a summer story, or the politicians' scramble to score points is another matter.  But this is really about gays.  And honestly, the group of people who have the full financial attention and social respect are the Christians.  Playing martyr like the world's going to end, like Satan the lord of darkness himself is stirring your coffee at Starbucks and also looking for a tax break to further his dark ends on minimum wage doesn't change the fact that the gays still have the short end of the stick legally speaking, and are actually people who want to be treated equally when it comes to the law.

I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Class?  Like the class you show when you "forget" and disparage the LGBT acronym?  When you routinely call them abominations?  Maybe they are, but do you honestly expect them to listen to you when you talk like that?

Did you know Fanta Soda was a product of Nazi Germany? When Coke syrup couldn't be had during the War they tried to keep the soda bottling operations up and going so they invented a new brand Fanta ( short for Fantasy).

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: jewish voice on August 04, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
Gays are okay with people feeling better than them.  Gays do want to keep their lifestyle to themselves, but their quality of life is purposefully infringed upon by these "pro-family" organizations.  Most want to lead normal lives like the rest of America, but because they bond outside the law their relationships don't matter.  Federal law protects against discrimination because of race, religion, ethnicity, age, sex, and disabilities.  You'll notice something is missing.  Gay partnerships do not matter to the IRS, to federal law, or to employers.  It is fully legal to discriminate as an employer and landlord (though that is starting to change) specifically on the basis of sexual orientation.    Over 1000 benefits and privileges enjoyed by heterosexual couples are denied to gays.  Some criticize the mayors for not having examples of discrimination to justly block the expansion of Chick-fil-a.  That's missing the point- discrimination against homosexuals is all too often not legally considered discrimination to begin with.

This is not simply an omission.  It is the expressed political platform of both the national Democratic and Republican parties to prevent fully equal status of gay partnerships.  I would like to believe that this cause is championed in the name of pure theocracy, in which case it would be intellectually honest.  It is more accurate to say that many equate homosexuality to  mating with wild animals, to molesting and abusing innocent children, to rape, and to fetishism.  We have seen this occur in this thread, as if the consensual loving relationship between two males or females in the manner of a male and a female is equivalent to a heinous crime.  

To say that gays are a minority, so they should keep quiet, or they are an abomination against God, so should be rightly punished, is missing the point.  Gays pay taxes.  They serve on jury duty.  They make your hair look fabulous or work in the office alongside you.  They might even be your neighbors.  They're normal Americans who generally want the same recognition that heterosexual couples get.  They might still ask you to accept them, and you may still be disgusted by their pride parades.  Fine.  They at least want the law to accept them as full citizens, and that is what this is all about.

Now the media frenzy to create a summer story, or the politicians' scramble to score points is another matter.  But this is really about gays.  And honestly, the group of people who have the full financial attention and social respect are the Christians.  Playing martyr like the world's going to end, like Satan the lord of darkness himself is stirring your coffee at Starbucks and also looking for a tax break to further his dark ends on minimum wage doesn't change the fact that the gays still have the short end of the stick legally speaking, and are actually people who want to be treated equally when it comes to the law.

I think a lot of gay bring this on themselves.......they go in your face about thier abomidable behaviour and then complain when your resist their demostrations of purient acts.   What do you guys or girls want?   Do you want us heterosexuals to demonstrate and clog up city streets to force our point of view?????    We could care less about your sexual preference just keep it to your selves.........  Demonstrate some class for once.
Class?  Like the class you show when you "forget" and disparage the LGBT acronym?  When you routinely call them abominations?  Maybe they are, but do you honestly expect them to listen to you when you talk like that?

Did you know Fanta Soda was a product of Nazi Germany? When Coke syrup couldn't be had during the War they tried to keep the soda bottling operations up and going so they invented a new brand Fanta ( short for Fantasy).

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp
And it's Kosher  ;D
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.

There's actually a woman suing them who alledges that she was fired so that she could be a stay-at-home mother.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 04, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 04, 2012, 11:28:04 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

This begs the question: Just how many Chick fil A's do you go to???  I've always had congenial and friendly service and the chicken is fine.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 04, 2012, 11:28:45 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

This begs the question: Just how many Chick fil A's do you go to???  I've always had congenial and friendly service and the chicken is fine.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.


This begs the question: Just how many Chick fil A's do you go to???  I've always had congenial and friendly service and the chicken is fine.




Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 04, 2012, 11:57:28 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.
Oh but you see Isa looks at Chick-Fil-A through rose-colored-conservative-glasses.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 12:00:16 AM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.

YOU made the accusations, so YOU look it up!  If not, then you can just shut up.

My suspicion and hope is that Achronos (forever Aposphet to me) is commenting on the style of this particular thread. I certainly never got a decent response to my post #10. I still do not know who said what at the start and how significant they were that led to the frenzy that is this thread.
Yup, how convenient it is when they ignore your post and expect me to post sources that contradict what they believe.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on August 05, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
Edited because I'm not sure where the line between this discussion and what belongs in the Politics forum is.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on August 05, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.
Oh but you see Isa looks at Chick-Fil-A through rose-colored-conservative-glasses.

I have the same experience as Prof. Almisry.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: William on August 05, 2012, 12:13:25 AM
And on the 7th day the lord said "Chicken shall not be shoved down your gullets on this day, because it's the gays fault. Take that gays!"

As far as I understand it, several former employees are currently suing Chick-Fil-A for sexual discrimination. Further, the entity that is Chic-Fil-A donated a bunch of money to deplorable non-profits that lobby, among other ridiculous things, to deport American homosexuals. This is more than just a boycott on chicken. It's a human rights issue.
You got any evidence of this?
Lots. You can to look it up.

YOU made the accusations, so YOU look it up!  If not, then you can just shut up.

My suspicion and hope is that Achronos (forever Aposphet to me) is commenting on the style of this particular thread. I certainly never got a decent response to my post #10. I still do not know who said what at the start and how significant they were that led to the frenzy that is this thread.
Yup, how convenient it is when they ignore your post and expect me to post sources that contradict what they believe.
Is it really that hard to back up such a grave accusation?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Father H on August 05, 2012, 12:23:02 AM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

Based on our experience with you here, I am sure that the feeling is mutual. 

CFA employee:  "May I help you sir"
JR:  "Gimme my friggin chiggin"

lol.  Sometimes I crack myself up.  I am sure that given your lighthearted disposition that you feel the same. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 12:53:23 AM
Or you are just blind. Or still a baptist. you see, possibilities are endless.
You are still a blind Bolshevik, so you ought to know.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 04:26:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy#Financial_contributions_to_groups_opposed_to_LGBT_rights

There's a start.

What is more telling are those buying Chick-Fil-A now, not at all based on the actual product, but what is ethically behind it. So a consumer who buys a chicken sandwich is also buying into the idea that they are also supporting "Pro-Family" values. Another example would be you can purchase a can of Campbell's Tomato Soup at Walmart or at a local grocery who is unionized, at the same exact price. However based upon the consumers' ethics, they may opt to shop at the local grocery because they support unions and oppose Walmart's anti-union stance, believing that they have some power behind their purchase. The thought behind the purchase is larger than what the actual purchase is.

In the mere act of consuming something there needs to be justification for it. You see it quite a bit where if you spend x amount of dollars and the company will contribute a percentage to a non-profit organization, so now you can morally justify your purchase in a sense you remove the guilt from buying something you know an impoverished child produced for mere cents. So instead of targeting the latter, instead of being charitable, we have come to the point that we feel good about consuming, and buying into the capitalism model. Which is unfortunate because [corporate] greed and corruption are both eternal traits of capitalism, regardless of the masks they sometimes wear in public. Or in Cathy's case capitalism is disguised by the cloak of biblical marriage.

So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.

I hope for Mr. Cathy's sake, if it is part of his interpretation of Christianity, which it probably isn't, that he would redistribute the increase in profits to the workers who had to work even harder for the excess in consumers who buy into Cathy's "Pro-family" rhetoric.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 04:31:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy#Financial_contributions_to_groups_opposed_to_LGBT_rights

There's a start.
A start for what?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 05, 2012, 07:34:29 AM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 09:04:15 AM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....

LOL. So you saying, put up or shut up?

Yeah, I don't understand this confusion between a job and a career.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 05, 2012, 09:58:23 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy#Financial_contributions_to_groups_opposed_to_LGBT_rights

There's a start.
A start for what?
I still have had no one explain what "rights" they are talking about.  Everything so far is not a right, just a desire.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 05, 2012, 10:03:52 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy#Financial_contributions_to_groups_opposed_to_LGBT_rights

There's a start.

What is more telling are those buying Chick-Fil-A now, not at all based on the actual product, but what is ethically behind it. So a consumer who buys a chicken sandwich is also buying into the idea that they are also supporting "Pro-Family" values.
Or they are buying into the ability to express your personal opinion without being falsely attacked and persecuted for no reason.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 05, 2012, 10:27:10 AM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....

As I think, Corey robin said, there is a reasonable and rational debate about how an economy should be run. The thing is that that debate takes place on the left, and the right is just so out there, that they aren't part of it.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 05, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

This begs the question: Just how many Chick fil A's do you go to???  I've always had congenial and friendly service and the chicken is fine.

I've been to three: one in a mall, one at ASU's student union, and one at a free standing restaurant. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 05, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

Based on our experience with you here, I am sure that the feeling is mutual. 

CFA employee:  "May I help you sir"
JR:  "Gimme my friggin chiggin"

lol.  Sometimes I crack myself up.  I am sure that given your lighthearted disposition that you feel the same. 

You are WAY off Father; the CFA employee says "How may I help you," I respond "Food.  Now!"
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....


Oh really, is that why many of those who were in a career now are forced to work at stepping stone jobs just to try to support themselves? Take my father for example. Hardest working man in America, got his way all the way up the corporate ladder and was on the top paid execs. He got laid off, is in his 50s, and has about 192 job applications submitted to jobs similar to what he had before, for two years now.

But now he has to take the work from those that need those stepping stone jobs, you know the jobs that weren't supposed to be the life long endeavor. But now he doesn't have any retirement plans because his company filed bankruptcy robbing him years worth of pay.

And I could careless how this economy runs, because clearly it is not to the benefit of everyone. We need to change our thinking because soon enough once these greedy corporations adopt things like automation, get ready to see a huge spike of unemployed workers.

Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 03:55:54 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 05, 2012, 04:20:13 PM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....


Oh really, is that why many of those who were in a career now are forced to work at stepping stone jobs just to try to support themselves? Take my father for example. Hardest working man in America, got his way all the way up the corporate ladder and was on the top paid execs. He got laid off, is in his 50s, and has about 192 job applications submitted to jobs similar to what he had before, for two years now.

But now he has to take the work from those that need those stepping stone jobs, you know the jobs that weren't supposed to be the life long endeavor. But now he doesn't have any retirement plans because his company filed bankruptcy robbing him years worth of pay.

And I could careless how this economy runs, because clearly it is not to the benefit of everyone. We need to change our thinking because soon enough once these greedy corporations adopt things like automation, get ready to see a huge spike of unemployed workers.

Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.

I dont think you should worry so much about automation. I had a boss tell me once how soon there would be no need for workers because of automation. That was about thirty years ago, he's long dead and so far, it still has not happened.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 04:28:51 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 04:31:15 PM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....

As I think, Corey robin said, there is a reasonable and rational debate about how an economy should be run. The thing is that that debate takes place on the left, and the right is just so out there, that they aren't part of it.
Yeah, the right is out there.  That way, when the Leftist economy collapses (you seemed to have missed that the Soviet Bloc has collapsed), the right are still standing.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_controversy#Financial_contributions_to_groups_opposed_to_LGBT_rights

There's a start.
A start for what?
I still have had no one explain what "rights" they are talking about.  Everything so far is not a right, just a desire.
Isn't it a right because I want it? LOL.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Aaron M on August 05, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....


Individual or personal anecdotes, I understand, are not worth very much - but for what it is worth at least to my thinking, nowadays I see far more older (40s and 50s) people working at almost every kind of fast-food establishment in the city I live in (Eugene, pop. 150000) than I ever saw growing up in a smaller town (Astoria, 10000).  Not the particular cities or population size should ultimately matter, but both have relatively depressed economies due to the long-term decline of natural resource-based and general manufacturing jobs.  Carls Jr., Burger King, Wendy's, McDonald's... wouldn't know about Chick Fil A because they've not expanded to the Northwest.  Anyway, I imagine that in decades past, many/most of these older people would have (or even DID have) better paying manufacturing-sector jobs, that are now lost to them and most Americans in future generations.

So the argument for a "living wage" in fast-food occupations (as in Walmart, retail stores in general and so on) sounds more valid to me, if only on the basis that the opportunities for low-skilled, relatively uneducated citizens has vanished from much of the country when it existed before.  It's anathema to pure capitalism I would guess, but it could be argued from a Christian-values perspective, and I would ultimately agree with some of the "liberal" or "radical" types on here that it should be given consideration from a company that otherwise highlights its generic biblical/Christian particulars (closed on Sundays, anti-gay marriage.)  Still am disappointed that these "liberals" characteristically then want to shut out any discussion of the pro-homosexual undertones they seem to employ, and it leaves any one who might want to uphold *both* what Chick Fil A currently holds (and what some think it should take up) as having no place in the debate.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on August 05, 2012, 05:03:53 PM
Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.

We see how well it worked in the past. Usually there's lots of beheadings and un-Christian behavior, which is probably worse than the bourgeoisie in the first place. (See Russia and France for notes.)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on August 05, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

Really? At all the ones I've visited, the employees have been excessively nice. I'm just here to eat some chicken, not make new friends.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.
See this is your problem is that you are valuing labor based off supply and demand, which itself is not objective nor should a worker's livability be based upon a changing metric. Plus you are missing that supply and demand in itself can be monopolized by manipulating the price even higher for a good.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.
See this is your problem is that you are valuing labor based off supply and demand, which itself is not objective nor should a worker's livability be based upon a changing metric. Plus you are missing that supply and demand in itself can be monopolized by manipulating the price even higher for a good.
Yeah, that is how stock market crashes happen.

The world doesn't run of livability.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 05, 2012, 07:21:53 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

Really? At all the ones I've visited, the employees have been excessively nice. I'm just here to eat some chicken, not make new friends.
They are so nice I have recently seen other places adopting their greetings, etc.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 05, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
Capitalism is not and has never been the enemy or evil.  People are the problem.

I too have seen older people working jobs normally filled by college students.  While it is unfortunate they must do this rather than retire there is something to learn from them.  They work when they need to and take what is available rather than whine and live off government hand outs.  They provide a much better level of service than their younger counterparts.  Businesses are actually hiring them instead of opting for the younger, dumber crowd.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
Capitalism is not and has never been the enemy or evil.  People are the problem.

I too have seen older people working jobs normally filled by college students.  While it is unfortunate they must do this rather than retire there is something to learn from them.  They work when they need to and take what is available rather than whine and live off government hand outs.  They provide a much better level of service than their younger counterparts.  Businesses are actually hiring them instead of opting for the younger, dumber crowd.
for forgot "more entitled."
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on August 05, 2012, 08:13:31 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.

Are you?  I couldn't help notice your tendency to judge others.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 05, 2012, 09:11:35 PM
Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.

We see how well it worked in the past. Usually there's lots of beheadings and un-Christian behavior, which is probably worse than the bourgeoisie in the first place. (See Russia and France for notes.)

We see how well it worked in the past. Usually there's lots work camps and gas chambers and un-Christian behavior, which is probably worse than , well, most anything in the first place. (See Germany and Fascist Italy and Spain for notes.)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Bigsinner on August 05, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
^ Yes, the National Socialists in Germany, Italy, and Spain did some atrocious things. 

Finally, Marc, something you and I can agree on!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 05, 2012, 11:04:58 PM
I'm sure Adam Smith can find a job at Chick Fil A
I'm not so sure.  When working with the public, I believe a basic requirement is being nice.
I'd never heard of the place before. When I went this week (several times), I was taken aback by how nice they were.  Not used to that in restaurants, let alone fast food.

I've always found Chick-Fil-A employees to be rather abrupt, not very nice at all.

Really? At all the ones I've visited, the employees have been excessively nice. I'm just here to eat some chicken, not make new friends.

I'm not there to make friends either; small talk makes me rather uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 05, 2012, 11:04:58 PM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.

Do you really think any job you have ever had is as "demanding" as a migrant farm worker's job?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Tallitot on August 05, 2012, 11:36:38 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 05, 2012, 11:41:58 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
Yup.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 05, 2012, 11:59:56 PM
Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.

We see how well it worked in the past. Usually there's lots of beheadings and un-Christian behavior, which is probably worse than the bourgeoisie in the first place. (See Russia and France for notes.)

We see how well it worked in the past. Usually there's lots work camps and gas chambers and un-Christian behavior, which is probably worse than , well, most anything in the first place. (See Germany and Fascist Italy and Spain for notes.)
You mean the National Socialists?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 06, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 06, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.

Do you really think any job you have ever had is as "demanding" as a migrant farm worker's job?
School teacher in the Chicago Public Schools in the inner city?  You bet ya, and plenty others.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Father H on August 06, 2012, 12:15:06 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Tallitot on August 06, 2012, 12:23:08 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on August 06, 2012, 12:59:20 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?
Any number of walkathons for one.  I saw one the week before last.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: dzheremi on August 06, 2012, 01:22:48 AM
The local food pantry down the street seemed pretty well-staffed when we went there to donate two flats of juice drinks last week. You'd be surprised how people still support traditional values even when we're not talking about homosexuality and fast food. ::)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on August 06, 2012, 03:25:32 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/day-of-service.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: age234 on August 06, 2012, 03:39:09 AM
Apparently Joe thinks that execs at McDonalds who "earn" millions and millions of dollars of bonuses is the right thing, while the worker at McDonald's who cannot even support himself on his own income must be the one to starve because hey he doesn't have a career.

But I forgot those execs need those yachts rather than the worker to get a roof of his head and other amenities.

Are you people even Christian? Honestly. Stop serving yourselves and start serving other people.
Supply and demand.  You do a job anyone can do because it is not so demanding, there is a lot of supply, and the salary reflects it.

Of course, they can raise the price to $10 a burger, in which case no one will buy them and everyone will be out of a job.

Do you really think any job you have ever had is as "demanding" as a migrant farm worker's job?

Fwiw, I do. In middle school I worked on a farm in the summer, right alongside Mexican illegal immigrants. What do you want to know about it?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Αριστοκλής on August 06, 2012, 04:16:56 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
Yup.

So? You are here spouting trash yourself rather than at a homeless shelter rendering assistance. Bah...
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 06, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
The Nanny State is no Utopia either:

http://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2012/07/euro-crisis-growing-hungry-greece

Euro crisis: Growing up hungry in Greece
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 06, 2012, 09:01:58 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?

All the time... The walk for Cancer we go to has tons of people show up. The local food pantry has a waiting list for the various Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and high school community service clubs to come out and stock shelves and do the various chores..The Half Way house by Church gets lots of help...     etc.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JoeS2 on August 06, 2012, 09:03:58 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?

All the time... The walk for Cancer we go to has tons of people show up. The local food pantry has a waiting list for the various Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and high school community service clubs to come out and stock shelves and do the various chores..The Half Way house by Church gets lots of help...     etc.
I guess for some this is not good enough.  You cant satisfy all the folks no matter what is done for them. 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Tallitot on August 06, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
Yup.

So? You are here spouting trash yourself rather than at a homeless shelter rendering assistance. Bah...
excuse me, i do work with a homeless program actually.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Hiwot on August 06, 2012, 11:48:07 AM
This has turned into a rather hilariously confusing brouhaha,  :laugh: :laugh: as far as the Orthodox Christians of America are concerned,  is it a question of religion, politics, law, or personal conviction? what the heck is going on that we are arguing over where to eat our chicken and whom to eat it with? The way I see it, If it is a religious question of with whom to dine with, make sure you imitate your master, as Jesus has been known to dine with those deemed sinners and not the teachers and keepers of the law. if it is a matter of politics the best of politicians like Gandhi would advocate for peaceful coexistence, If it is a matter of civil law folks like Dr. king would march with those that fight for their civil rights, if its a personal conviction for pits sake go ahead and eat your chicken!  :police: It’s a FREE COUNTRY after all, or is it….?  :-\ But that’s just me, so you may continue as you are folks . :police: I am now going to drink some fantastic Fantalimon with a nice slice of fruitcake because I love them both! ;) :laugh:

P.S.to those who are fasting or who are going to start, wish you all a blessed fast. May the intercession of the Most Holy Theotokos be with all of us. amen.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on August 06, 2012, 01:37:28 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: augustin717 on August 06, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Doesn't matter really. Capitalist charity is often worse that capitalist brutality since it only serves to confuse the oppressed.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 06, 2012, 03:15:48 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Doesn't matter really. Capitalist charity is often worse that capitalist brutality since it only serves to confuse the oppressed.

And assuage the conscience of the oppressors.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: J Michael on August 06, 2012, 03:38:11 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on August 06, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Most of my jobs have only included a half hour lunch breaks.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on August 06, 2012, 04:23:24 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Doesn't matter really. Capitalist charity is often worse that capitalist brutality since it only serves to confuse the oppressed.
Whoa. Way to stack the deck in favor of your view. When the enemy does good, it's still evil.  ::)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: J Michael on August 06, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Doesn't matter really. Capitalist charity is often worse that capitalist brutality since it only serves to confuse the oppressed.
Whoa. Way to stack the deck in favor of your view. When the enemy does good, it's still evil.  ::)

That's because it's "The Enemy" and *anything* The Enemy does is inherently evil.

(http://renaudfavier.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/damned-if-you-do-dont1.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m45bwfy7DC1qa4b44o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 06, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
In 1965 Prodution woker average hourly wage: $19.61
In 2007 Production worker average hourly wage: $19.71

Typical 1965 CEO pay for the same period: $490.31
Typical 2007 CEO pay for the same period: $5,419.97

Typical household net worth by head of household's age:

<35 years:
1984 - $11,680
2009 - $3,710

35-44:
1984 - $72,090
2009 - $40,140

45-54:
1984 - $115,060
2009 - $103,040

55-64:
1984 - $149,240
2009 - $164,270

>65:
1984 - $122,100
2009: $172,820

http://xkcd.com/980/

Plenty of sources on that link, but the evidence is pretty clear here.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 06, 2012, 04:38:13 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?
There.  And in the soup kitchens and any number of charitable enterprises which, studies show, the conservative folks overwhelming contribute to and run the bulk.
Doesn't matter really. Capitalist charity is often worse that capitalist brutality since it only serves to confuse the oppressed.
Whoa. Way to stack the deck in favor of your view. When the enemy does good, it's still evil.  ::)

Depends on you define "good".
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 06, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Insurance sales................ just sayin
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shiny on August 06, 2012, 05:18:34 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Insurance sales................ just sayin
ROFL
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 06, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Most of my jobs have only included a half hour lunch breaks.
Some days I get an hour and one half, other days I get two minutes and I regularly work twelve or more hours a day.  Just depends.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 06, 2012, 05:47:16 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Most of my jobs have only included a half hour lunch breaks.
Some days I get an hour and one half, other days I get two minutes and I regularly work twelve or more hours a day.  Just depends.

Hang up.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 06, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
In 1965 Prodution woker average hourly wage: $19.61
In 2007 Production worker average hourly wage: $19.71

Typical 1965 CEO pay for the same period: $490.31
Typical 2007 CEO pay for the same period: $5,419.97

Typical household net worth by head of household's age:

<35 years:
1984 - $11,680
2009 - $3,710

35-44:
1984 - $72,090
2009 - $40,140

45-54:
1984 - $115,060
2009 - $103,040

55-64:
1984 - $149,240
2009 - $164,270

>65:
1984 - $122,100
2009: $172,820

http://xkcd.com/980/

Plenty of sources on that link, but the evidence is pretty clear here.
Evidence of what?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on August 06, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Most of my jobs have only included a half hour lunch breaks.
Some days I get an hour and one half, other days I get two minutes and I regularly work twelve or more hours a day.  Just depends.

I take two hours and then a nap.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on August 06, 2012, 08:03:55 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break

What kind of job has an hours long lunch break?

Probably the kind where you start work, say for example, at 8 a.m., work until noon, have your lunch break for an hour, and then go back to work from 1 p.m.-5p.m.  Simple, really.  Lots of places "out there" in the real world do that.  Lots of other places don't have an hour-long lunch break.  Others, like where I work, give you an option.  So what?
Most of my jobs have only included a half hour lunch breaks.
Some days I get an hour and one half, other days I get two minutes and I regularly work twelve or more hours a day.  Just depends.

I take two hours and then a nap.

You are doing something right for sure. How do I achieve such amenities?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Father H on August 06, 2012, 08:24:13 PM
So Chick-Fil-A was mobbed last Weds by folks standing up for traditional values? Where are all these folks when we need help at the homeless shelter?

They were probably on their lunch break
cute. when was the last time you saw people mob a volunteer oppurtunity?

Actually we get turned down for soup kitchens at certain times of year because they have "more than enough volunteers." 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 07, 2012, 01:00:46 AM
The political tangent has been split off and moved to Politics (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?board=24).

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=46248.0 (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=46248.0)

Do remember that this is still the Public Forum, where discussion of politics is forbidden. Any more posts discussing politics on this thread will draw a formal warning or post moderation.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 09, 2012, 02:39:48 AM
Sorry, I meant to unlock the thread yesterday.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on August 09, 2012, 07:44:02 AM
I am glad this is finally winding down.  I went to Starbucks yesterday and I didn't see anyone protesting their pro-homosexual donations.  This all seemed one sided to me.  Purchase what you enjoy, but if it means that much to you don't purchase.  Either way, people should not make a mountain out of a mole hill.  It we didn't buy things from people we disagreed with, we would never purchase anything.

Peter, if this is considered political, please let me know.  I tried not to make it as such and would appreciate guidance so I do not violate any rules, even if I came close but didn't.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on September 05, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
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Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on September 19, 2012, 02:21:12 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

Quote
September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on September 19, 2012, 02:46:21 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

Quote
September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on September 19, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

Quote
September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 19, 2012, 02:52:36 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

Quote
September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on September 19, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

Do you really care?

Frankly, if I were gay, I would be glad places like the above exist. This is going to kill the gay owned crummy fried chicken sandwich industry.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on September 19, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?
The Southern Poverty Law Center is using a specific definition of 'hate group' (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/16/is-the-family-research-council-really-a-hate-group.html):

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The SPLC’s definition of hate speech does not require an explicit incitement to violence. According to the group’s website, a hate group must have “beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.” Being named as a hate group “does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.”

Many conservatives and progressives alike might disagree with this definition of hate group, choosing to save such language for groups that espouse violence.

In any event, the Family Research Council -- listed as a hate group by the SPLC, and a former recipient of Chick-Fil-A largesse -- does support making homosexual activity illegal, a political move that most Christians, I would think, would deem unwise to support:

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Homosexuality Is Not a Civil Right (http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC07I01)

This pamphlet clarifies certain misconceptions about the meaning of "discrimination" (some forms of which can't-and shouldn't-be eliminated) and of "civil rights" (distinguishing those which limit government power from those which limit the rights of others). It also explains why homosexual conduct is not comparable to other characteristics usually protected by civil rights laws ("race, color, religion, sex, or national origin"). Protection against private "discrimination" has historically been offered only for characteristics that are inborn, involuntary, immutable, innocuous, and/or in the Constitution-yet none of these describe homosexual behavior.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on September 19, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on September 19, 2012, 03:35:25 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.
So the media made Chick-Fil-A do something it really didn't want to do?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on September 19, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.
So the media made Chick-Fil-A do something it really didn't want to do?
Just the weak sticks in the corporation.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: orthonorm on September 19, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.

This is the naivete of you invisible hand types. The market always decides. The invisible hand operates within the media, government, labor unions, communists, etc.

You just like the invisible within your own image.

Adam Smith has the tautological insight of a Taoist.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on September 19, 2012, 04:55:13 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

Yes.  People seem to always cave into ignorance.  So sad.  The implosion continues. 

"you disagree with the modern day fad movements?  You're a hatemonger!"
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on September 19, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on September 19, 2012, 07:09:01 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.

This is the naivete of you invisible hand types. The market always decides. The invisible hand operates within the media, government, labor unions, communists, etc.

You just like the invisible within your own image.

Adam Smith has the tautological insight of a Taoist.

Do you think I believe in "the invisible hand?"
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: primuspilus on September 19, 2012, 07:10:27 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on September 19, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

You and I understand this to pretty much spot on, but the ignorant masses have been dooped.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: TheMathematician on September 19, 2012, 10:37:15 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

You and I understand this to pretty much spot on, but the ignorant masses have been dooped.

I would like to counter that point with the You Can Play Project
http://youcanplayproject.org (link is to their official site)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on September 19, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

You and I understand this to pretty much spot on, but the ignorant masses have been dooped.

I would like to counter that point with the You Can Play Project
http://youcanplayproject.org (link is to their official site)
The most hateful and mean spirited people I have ever seen are so called tolerants.  It doesn't matter what group or their cause.  They are vicious evil people who want you to succumb to their ways or they attempt to destroy you.  Counter as much as you want.  The evidence supports our statements.

But as I always say, there will be an exception now and again.  However, most have become the very thing they claim to fight against.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on September 20, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

Really?  Because when people are shouting and screaming on sopboaxes at ASU, it's invariably a man calling for the repentance of "those evil and wicked blasphemers of God: the homosexuals."  I have yet to encounter an LGBT group shouting at me as I walk to the library.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: JamesRottnek on September 20, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

You and I understand this to pretty much spot on, but the ignorant masses have been dooped.

I would like to counter that point with the You Can Play Project
http://youcanplayproject.org (link is to their official site)
The most hateful and mean spirited people I have ever seen are so called tolerants.  It doesn't matter what group or their cause.  They are vicious evil people who want you to succumb to their ways or they attempt to destroy you.  Counter as much as you want.  The evidence supports our statements.

But as I always say, there will be an exception now and again.  However, most have become the very thing they claim to fight against.

That's why people should have love, instead of tolerance or hate.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: christian7777 on September 30, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Had some Chick-Fil-A this afternoon. Place was filled to the brim.

The last couple of weeks I've been eating spicy chicken sandwiches there a lot. :)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Kerdy on October 01, 2012, 06:48:50 AM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderman Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.

What hate groups?

My thoughts exactly.  What hate groups?
Find any LGBT group and you have a hate group. Those people make me sick with how much vitriol they spew at anyone who does not agree with them.

PP

You and I understand this to pretty much spot on, but the ignorant masses have been dooped.

I would like to counter that point with the You Can Play Project
http://youcanplayproject.org (link is to their official site)
The most hateful and mean spirited people I have ever seen are so called tolerants.  It doesn't matter what group or their cause.  They are vicious evil people who want you to succumb to their ways or they attempt to destroy you.  Counter as much as you want.  The evidence supports our statements.

But as I always say, there will be an exception now and again.  However, most have become the very thing they claim to fight against.

That's why people should have love, instead of tolerance or hate.
I think you may be on to something.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: tweety234 on December 05, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.

The whole purpose of the fast is to eat fast food.

yeah. hamburgers. delicioso!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on December 05, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Ich bin ein Hamburger.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Asteriktos on December 05, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
Oh, look at what thread is back. Wonderful.  :P
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: tweety234 on December 05, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
I don't know what this thread is about, but I'm on Chick-Fil-A's side.

That is like saying, I don't know what bananas are. But they are quite tasty.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on January 31, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
(CNN) -- Chick-fil-A restaurants (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/28/us/chick-fil-a-philanthropy/index.html?iref=obinsite)' philanthropic WinShape Foundation no longer funds the most controversial and politically charged anti-same-sex-marriage groups and has not since 2011, according to Campus Pride, a leading national LGBT campus organization.
....
Windmeyer acknowledged that WinShape continues to fund groups that don't condone same-sex marriage based on biblical beliefs but says these groups, such as the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, don't operate with the same hard-nosed political agenda the other groups [e.g., Family Research Council; Exodus International] are known for.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: That person on January 31, 2013, 05:19:46 PM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

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September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderson Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.
The liberal media establishment, to the extent that it's actually a thing, is a product of the free market.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Jetavan on September 08, 2014, 11:33:45 AM
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Chick-fil-A founder Truett Cathy dies, leaves legacy of faith in business (http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2014/09/08/chick-fil-founder-truett-cathy-dies-leaves-legacy-faith-business/)
....
But more intriguing than the financial successes of the Chick-fil-A is the way it was able to weave Cathy’s faith into the corporate fabric without compromise. Cathy was a devout Southern Baptist who taught Sunday school to teenage boys for more than half a century. Because he believed that faith was not merely a private matter, it flavored the way he ran his business.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 09, 2014, 12:37:06 AM
Quote
Chick-fil-A founder Truett Cathy dies, leaves legacy of faith in business (http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2014/09/08/chick-fil-founder-truett-cathy-dies-leaves-legacy-faith-business/)
....
But more intriguing than the financial successes of the Chick-fil-A is the way it was able to weave Cathy’s faith into the corporate fabric without compromise. Cathy was a devout Southern Baptist who taught Sunday school to teenage boys for more than half a century. Because he believed that faith was not merely a private matter, it flavored the way he ran his business.

Went out tonight and got a Chik-Fil-A sandwich for the first time in over a year.

Truett Cathy: Memory Eternal! +++


Selam
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on September 09, 2014, 01:47:33 AM
Chick-fil-A Ceases Anti-gay Donations, Clarifies Stance on Gay Customers & Employees

Quote
September 18, 2012 – Chicago, Illinois – The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA), Illinois’ leading lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) civil rights advocacy organization (http://jointcra.org/), has learned that Alderson Moreno has finalized his negotiations with Chick-Fil-A.  Alderman Moreno has confirmed that Chick-fil-A will no longer give money to anti-gay organizations and that they have clarified in an internal document that the company will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation. The Civil Rights Agenda worked closely with the Alderman in an advisory role as he negotiated these concessions with the executives at Chick-fil-A.  Additionally, members of TCRA spoke directly with executives at Chick-fil-A during negotiations to aid in educating their decision makers about anti-discrimination policies and issues affecting the LGBT community.

In a letter addressed to Alderman Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”  Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups.  In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.
Smart move.
Unfortante. They caved to the lefty bullies.

The Market has decided. You should be happy.
The market did not decide. Chick fil a was still pulling in plenty of money. Lefties in the media decided.
The liberal media establishment, to the extent that it's actually a thing, is a product of the free market.
not according to its add revenue.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 02:42:25 PM
I am resurrecting plenty of old threads today!

I just recently started working at the Chick-Fil-A headquarters in Atlanta. What a great place to work! I dont know a company that treats their employees, including the gay ones, better than this one. They provide free breakfast and lunch (they actually cook whole meals. so its not like youre eating chicken sandwiches everyday and getting huge), and are the nicest people you could ever be around. I am very grateful to spend my days here.

Just wanted to share, because I recently had a discussion with some folks who are still "boycotting" because CFA "doesnt align with their views" and theyre mad. (I suppose that is their right!) Its sad to hear, because the leadership here is full of the nicest, most loving, compassionate people anywhere, and they do so much good around the world.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 02:44:43 PM
Oh, I should also point out, for those who didnt know, that the 3rd highest person in the company, behind the Cathy's, is Orthodox. :)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Elisha on February 24, 2015, 02:50:29 PM
The best reason to boycott Chic-fil-a is because it is unhealthy fast food.

And I'm not sure I would call it "boycotting" as opposed to not patronizing.  What's the difference anyway?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 02:57:08 PM
I didnt re-read the whole thread, so I wasnt referencing anyone here. I was referencing conversations outside of here that I recently had where "boycotting" was the term used.

And sure, the food is unhealthy. Certainly wouldnt recommend eating it daily. But you could say that for almost every restaurant. I think they are healthier than many other options.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: truth_seeker on February 24, 2015, 03:27:28 PM
My husband's caregiver won't eat at Chick-fil-A because he claims they "hate gays". Considering that gays eat and work there, that attitude is kind of silly, imo. I worked at CFA for 2 years and they treat their employees better than any other company I've worked for, before or since.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Cyrillic on February 24, 2015, 03:40:04 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 03:43:43 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?

lol.

Although it may seem odd, I dont believe they consider them much of a threat. They view the higher level fast food (Panera, Starbucks, etc) as their primary competition.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on February 24, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on February 24, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Do people still eat at KFC?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: TheMathematician on February 24, 2015, 04:08:36 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

Not to mention, taste better
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Cyrillic on February 24, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Do people still eat at KFC?

I wouldn't know, since I haven't been there for ages. But I do suppose so, or else they should have gone bankrupt at some point or another.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Do people still eat at KFC?

I wouldn't know, since I haven't been there for ages. But I do suppose so, or else they should have gone bankrupt at some point or another.

KFC is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine. However, I only eat there when I know I dont have any plans the following day.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on February 24, 2015, 04:19:47 PM
My husband's caregiver won't eat at Chick-fil-A because he claims they "hate gays". Considering that gays eat and work there, that attitude is kind of silly, imo. I worked at CFA for 2 years and they treat their employees better than any other company I've worked for, before or since.
I am resurrecting plenty of old threads today!

I just recently started working at the Chick-Fil-A headquarters in Atlanta. What a great place to work! I dont know a company that treats their employees, including the gay ones, better than this one. They provide free breakfast and lunch (they actually cook whole meals. so its not like youre eating chicken sandwiches everyday and getting huge), and are the nicest people you could ever be around. I am very grateful to spend my days here.

Just wanted to share, because I recently had a discussion with some folks who are still "boycotting" because CFA "doesnt align with their views" and theyre mad. (I suppose that is their right!) Its sad to hear, because the leadership here is full of the nicest, most loving, compassionate people anywhere, and they do so much good around the world.
I was wondering about the working conditions just the week before last, when I went to the nearest Chick-Fil-A.  The staff is always cheerful. I wondered do they beat them to make them smile or else? ;)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on February 24, 2015, 04:20:30 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Do people still eat at KFC?

I wouldn't know, since I haven't been there for ages. But I do suppose so, or else they should have gone bankrupt at some point or another.

KFC is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine. However, I only eat there when I know I dont have any plans the following day.
I actually prefer KFC.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 04:22:39 PM
I am resurrecting plenty of old threads today!

I just recently started working at the Chick-Fil-A headquarters in Atlanta. What a great place to work! I dont know a company that treats their employees, including the gay ones, better than this one. They provide free breakfast and lunch (they actually cook whole meals. so its not like youre eating chicken sandwiches everyday and getting huge), and are the nicest people you could ever be around. I am very grateful to spend my days here.

Just wanted to share, because I recently had a discussion with some folks who are still "boycotting" because CFA "doesnt align with their views" and theyre mad. (I suppose that is their right!) Its sad to hear, because the leadership here is full of the nicest, most loving, compassionate people anywhere, and they do so much good around the world.
I was wondering about the working conditions just the week before last, when I went to the nearest Chick-Fil-A.  The staff is always cheerful. I wondered do they beat them to make them smile or else? ;)

I have toured the facility where they beat the ones who dont smile enough!!

But seriously... They have a 97% retention rate at the HQ. People dont leave bc they love it. If it were a bad company, that rate would be significantly lower.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Cyrillic on February 24, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
Yup. And as far as the corporate office is concerned, I can vouch that nobody here "hates" anyone. Its quite the opposite actually.

Not even KFC?
Do people still eat at KFC?

I wouldn't know, since I haven't been there for ages. But I do suppose so, or else they should have gone bankrupt at some point or another.

KFC is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine. However, I only eat there when I know I dont have any plans the following day.
I actually prefer KFC.

KFC is outrageously expensive, especially when you compare KFC to other fast-food restaurants. I could buy half a roasted chicken for the price of a few chunks of chicken at KFC.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Elisha on February 24, 2015, 04:44:56 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

The term would be "less bad".  "Healthier" is kind of relative.  It's still fast food.  A chicken sandwich at even Denny's or IHOP is likely much better in taste and quality.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 04:46:42 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

The term would be "less bad".  "Healthier" is kind of relative.  It's still fast food.  A chicken sandwich at even Denny's or IHOP is likely much better in taste and quality.

*falls out of chair upon reading this blasphemy*

You must be from the west coast or something and arent very familiar with CFA.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Elisha on February 24, 2015, 04:47:48 PM
My husband's caregiver won't eat at Chick-fil-A because he claims they "hate gays". Considering that gays eat and work there, that attitude is kind of silly, imo. I worked at CFA for 2 years and they treat their employees better than any other company I've worked for, before or since.
I am resurrecting plenty of old threads today!

I just recently started working at the Chick-Fil-A headquarters in Atlanta. What a great place to work! I dont know a company that treats their employees, including the gay ones, better than this one. They provide free breakfast and lunch (they actually cook whole meals. so its not like youre eating chicken sandwiches everyday and getting huge), and are the nicest people you could ever be around. I am very grateful to spend my days here.

Just wanted to share, because I recently had a discussion with some folks who are still "boycotting" because CFA "doesnt align with their views" and theyre mad. (I suppose that is their right!) Its sad to hear, because the leadership here is full of the nicest, most loving, compassionate people anywhere, and they do so much good around the world.
I was wondering about the working conditions just the week before last, when I went to the nearest Chick-Fil-A.  The staff is always cheerful. I wondered do they beat them to make them smile or else? ;)

*Ahem*.....the beatings will continue until morale improves.   ;)

Years ago when I worked at a certain Property & Casualty insurance company, someone had that statement posted on the outside of their cube.  I think it was there for nearly a couple of years before it just disappeared one day.   :D
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Elisha on February 24, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

The term would be "less bad".  "Healthier" is kind of relative.  It's still fast food.  A chicken sandwich at even Denny's or IHOP is likely much better in taste and quality.

*falls out of chair upon reading this blasphemy*

You must be from the west coast or something and arent very familiar with CFA.

1) yes, I live on the west coast (California Wine Country) 2) yes I have eaten at Chic-fil-a (maybe twice now).  A location opened up in town a year or so ago. 3) Chic-fil-a HQ is located in Georgia, which is in "The South" (or even the "Deep South") which has the most unhealthy overall eating habits in the country.

I haven't set foot in a McD's or Burger King in a few years now and there are others I only patronize a handful of times a year combined.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 04:59:37 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

The term would be "less bad".  "Healthier" is kind of relative.  It's still fast food.  A chicken sandwich at even Denny's or IHOP is likely much better in taste and quality.

*falls out of chair upon reading this blasphemy*

You must be from the west coast or something and arent very familiar with CFA.

1) yes, I live on the west coast (California Wine Country) 2) yes I have eaten at Chic-fil-a (maybe twice now).  A location opened up in town a year or so ago. 3) Chic-fil-a HQ is located in Georgia, which is in "The South" (or even the "Deep South") which has the most unhealthy overall eating habits in the country.

I haven't set foot in a McD's or Burger King in a few years now and there are others I only patronize a handful of times a year combined.

True we have some bad eating habits! Unless you actually live in ATL like I do. There are plenty of hip/vegan/organic/healthy options here. We still have plenty of pub grub though. Arent many chain establishments near me. While Georgia is full of rednecks, like the stereotype you have in your mind, Atlanta is nothing like the rest of the state.

The midwest is the only region that compares to the souths eating habits. Food is equally as unhealthy, but the portions are nearly double.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on February 24, 2015, 06:07:30 PM
Chick Fila may not be the healthiest choice, but their sandwiches are healthier than Big Mac's, Quarter Pounders, and Whoppers.

Not to mention, taste better

tru dat!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on February 24, 2015, 06:09:30 PM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 24, 2015, 06:12:35 PM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Papist on February 24, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!

You are a Christian soldier my friend, a Christian soldier.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on February 25, 2015, 03:48:27 PM
I have a couple of Orthodox friends who work there and are treated very well..

I am also impressed with the level of service you get there.... I wonder if they have a higher pay scale than the other fast food places? I really dont know

Chicken is not unhealthy... Toss the sugary bun.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Marc1152 on February 25, 2015, 03:51:35 PM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!

Suggest they start offering baked potato like Wendy's and Roy Rogers.
 
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: mike on February 26, 2015, 06:09:17 AM
I am resurrecting plenty of old threads today!

I just recently started working at the Chick-Fil-A headquarters in Atlanta. What a great place to work! I dont know a company that treats their employees, including the gay ones, better than this one. They provide free breakfast and lunch (they actually cook whole meals. so its not like youre eating chicken sandwiches everyday and getting huge), and are the nicest people you could ever be around. I am very grateful to spend my days here.

Just wanted to share, because I recently had a discussion with some folks who are still "boycotting" because CFA "doesnt align with their views" and theyre mad. (I suppose that is their right!) Its sad to hear, because the leadership here is full of the nicest, most loving, compassionate people anywhere, and they do so much good around the world.

How much did they pay you for writing that?
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Timon on February 26, 2015, 08:18:34 AM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!

Suggest they start offering baked potato like Wendy's and Roy Rogers.

Not a bad idea. However, the issue isnt a lack of Lent-friendly food in the cafeteria. The issue is walking past the chicken sandwiches, ice dream, shakes, etc. all the time. Its a little tougher to resist when its free.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: biro on February 26, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!

Suggest they start offering baked potato like Wendy's and Roy Rogers.

Bring back the Wendy's taco bar! (After Lent, of course.)
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: scamandrius on February 26, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
There is a Chick-Fil-A on campus where I work, constantly tempting me with its tasty morsels.

I have access to all the free CFA i want on a daily basis. Including soft serve machines and milkshakes. This is not the easiest place to be an Orthodox Christian during Lent! We do have a good salad bar, and plenty of veggies with each meal also. Like I said, one of the top guys in the whole company is Orthodox. And there are a handful of us scattered around as well.

If I can do Lent here, with only limited failures, Ill be a saint by Pascha!

Suggest they start offering baked potato like Wendy's and Roy Rogers.

Not a bad idea. However, the issue isnt a lack of Lent-friendly food in the cafeteria. The issue is walking past the chicken sandwiches, ice dream, shakes, etc. all the time. Its a little tougher to resist when its free.

If there's no temptation, then there can be no victory!  Still,  I understand your predicament.  And, remember, it's what comes out of the mouth that should be our guiding principle for the Great Fast.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Elisha on February 26, 2015, 12:16:49 PM

If there's no temptation, then there can be no victory!  Still,  I understand your predicament.  And, remember, it's what comes out of the mouth that should be our guiding principle for the Great Fast.

Indeed....as my bishop once said (which paraphrases I think a couple Fathers), "....just don't eat each other."  The first part though was, "Fasting is good.  You ought to fast.  But if you have to eat meat, then fine.  Just don't eat each other." Or something like that.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Shlomlokh on February 26, 2015, 12:43:29 PM

If there's no temptation, then there can be no victory!  Still,  I understand your predicament.  And, remember, it's what comes out of the mouth that should be our guiding principle for the Great Fast.

Indeed....as my bishop once said (which paraphrases I think a couple Fathers), "....just don't eat each other."  The first part though was, "Fasting is good.  You ought to fast.  But if you have to eat meat, then fine.  Just don't eat each other." Or something like that.
He may have been paraphrasing St. Basil. Good advice for all of us struggling against our passions during this holy season of repentance.

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: ialmisry on July 12, 2017, 09:42:20 PM
""So in regards to Chick-Fil-A, the vast majority may not realize they also support the unlivable wages many of the workers face and who will probably not see a penny of the boost in profits the company has made since this "controversy", and instead of being charitable towards the workers we instead would rather be charitable to an ideology.""

Well, working a McDonalds, or Chick Fil A are any other business offers a Market driven wage scale.  These jobs were never meant to be a life long endeavour but a stepping stone to higher positions.  Those retired make use of their wages as a supplement to their 401k, those who are smart enough can get into managerial positions within the company.  And dont forget if you think you are getting screwed wage wise there are other job alternatives.  In this country we go by the Market economy to set wages.  If you find a better working wage at another place it is to you advantage to go elsewhere. This is how it works here.  Having the government set wages that mess with profit and losses always causes problems for the workers.  Secondly, any profits from this temporary boost in sales will no doubt go into opening more stores providing more employment opportunities.  Complain all you want but this is how it works here.  Open you own business and find out how this economy works.....


Oh really, is that why many of those who were in a career now are forced to work at stepping stone jobs just to try to support themselves? Take my father for example. Hardest working man in America, got his way all the way up the corporate ladder and was on the top paid execs. He got laid off, is in his 50s, and has about 192 job applications submitted to jobs similar to what he had before, for two years now.

But now he has to take the work from those that need those stepping stone jobs, you know the jobs that weren't supposed to be the life long endeavor. But now he doesn't have any retirement plans because his company filed bankruptcy robbing him years worth of pay.

And I could careless how this economy runs, because clearly it is not to the benefit of everyone. We need to change our thinking because soon enough once these greedy corporations adopt things like automation, get ready to see a huge spike of unemployed workers.

Maybe then we can get enough of the working class to revolt against you bourgeois.

I dont think you should worry so much about automation. I had a boss tell me once how soon there would be no need for workers because of automation. That was about thirty years ago, he's long dead and so far, it still has not happened.
Update:
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/29/thanks-to-fight-for-15-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-unveils-job-replacing-self-service-kiosks-nationwide/#5ab1e184fbc6
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: Asteriktos on July 12, 2017, 09:57:10 PM
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/29/thanks-to-fight-for-15-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-unveils-job-replacing-self-service-kiosks-nationwide/#5ab1e184fbc6

Great news! Not only will some fast food jobs remain, but newly added engineering, manufacturing, and servicing jobs created by this will most likely be even better paying.
Title: Re: Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A
Post by: hecma925 on July 13, 2017, 01:20:49 AM
Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/29/thanks-to-fight-for-15-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-unveils-job-replacing-self-service-kiosks-nationwide/#5ab1e184fbc6

Great news! Not only will some fast food jobs remain, but newly added engineering, manufacturing, and servicing jobs created by this will most likely be even better paying.

Better (fewer) paying jobs, for sure than the guy that gets my order wrong.