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Title: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: TraditionalistThomas on June 19, 2012, 06:39:38 AM
Hello,

This is my first post on this board. I'm a traditionalist Roman Catholic. I'm just here to ask questions regarding Eastern Orthodoxy when I feel the need. So, onto the question:

What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi gatherings hosted under Pope John Paul II and the current Pope, Benedict XVI? Traditional Roman Catholics look at these events as highly, highly scandalous and regard them as false ecumenism; flying in the face of Catholic tradition. The reason I ask is because some Bishops from various Eastern Orthodox churches seemed to take part in the event. I always thought that Eastern Orthodoxy condemns ecumenism!

Thanks for any answers you can give me,

Through the Hearts of Jesus and Mary,

Thomas.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: katherineofdixie on June 19, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
"What Assisi events?" would be the reaction of most Orthodox. And ecumenism often seems to be in the eye of the beholder, but generally speaking Orthodox ecumenism seems to consist mainly of being polite.

I don't mean this to sound mean or snarky, so I apologize in advance, but Orthodox don't have a dog in any RCC fight. We don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about the RCC at all. Though it often seems that RCs think we do.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Alpo on June 19, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
Though it often seems that RCs think we do.

Internet forums might have something to do with this. ;)
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Iconodule on June 19, 2012, 09:43:14 AM
Though it often seems that RCs think we do.

Internet forums might have something to do with this. ;)

Yeah, there are many, many threads on this forum that make it appear that Orthodox are obsessed with every syllable a random RC might write or speak.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Agabus on June 19, 2012, 09:45:08 AM
"What Assisi events?" would be the reaction of most Orthodox. And ecumenism often seems to be in the eye of the beholder, but generally speaking Orthodox ecumenism seems to consist mainly of being polite.
Yeah, I was going to say something along the lines of, "I don't think about them."

While you find round condemnations of ecumenism on the Internet, in real life even those who are the loudest online denouncers of ecumenism tend to be fairly mild.

And while there are Orthodox hierarchs who participate in ecumenical events, most people on the ground just don't follow that kind of thing.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: witega on June 19, 2012, 10:03:15 AM
What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi gatherings hosted under Pope John Paul II and the current Pope, Benedict XVI? Traditional Roman Catholics look at these events as highly, highly scandalous and regard them as false ecumenism; flying in the face of Catholic tradition. The reason I ask is because some Bishops from various Eastern Orthodox churches seemed to take part in the event. I always thought that Eastern Orthodoxy condemns ecumenism!


For those Orthodox who are aware of the Assisi events (and as indicated, it's a relatively small group), the attitude tends to range from 'that's stupid' to heavily scandalized.

As to your last sentence, it very much depends on what you mean by ecumenism (as you will find if you start searching this forum for old threads on ecumenism). If by ecumenism you simply mean talking to other churches to deepen understand or possibly cooperate on practical matters (like charity or decreasing ethno-religious tensions in wartorn areas) then the Orthodox Church is (with some significant exceptions) pretty explictly pro-this. On the other hand, if by ecumenism you mean anything (like the 'branch theory' or the 'invisible church') which implies that Orthodoxy is not the one true Church of the Creed and that all other Christian communions are in some sort of schism or heresy which needs to be healed, then that is indeed a condemned heresy of its own. If you mean something in between--well, then the Orthodox response is somewhere in between.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: TraditionalistThomas on June 19, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
Thanks for all the replies everyone! Interesting.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: TraditionalistThomas on June 19, 2012, 10:12:40 AM
I don't mean this to sound mean or snarky, so I apologize in advance, but Orthodox don't have a dog in any RCC fight. We don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about the RCC at all. Though it often seems that RCs think we do.

Well, I don't think I agree with your observation. Only modern Roman Catholics who are obsessed with ecumenism really bring up the subject of the Eastern Orthodox often; other than that we don't really think about it. I've just had interest recently in what the Eastern Orthodox think of the activities and practices seen in the modern Catholic Church. I don't expect you to think about the Roman Catholic Church anymore than I think about the Eastern Orthodox churches. I think it's just common sense.  :)

God bless.


Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: TraditionalistThomas on June 19, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Though it often seems that RCs think we do.

Internet forums might have something to do with this. ;)

Yeah, there are many, many threads on this forum that make it appear that Orthodox are obsessed with every syllable a random RC might write or speak.

Perhaps this board is the Eastern Orthodox equivalent to Catholic Answers Forum?  ;)

God bless.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: mike on June 19, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
I've just had interest recently in what the Eastern Orthodox think of the activities and practices seen in the modern Catholic Church.

I, and I suppose many of the EOCs, don't care at all about what happens in there.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: primuspilus on June 19, 2012, 12:56:09 PM
I've just had interest recently in what the Eastern Orthodox think of the activities and practices seen in the modern Catholic Church.

I, and I suppose many of the EOCs, don't care at all about what happens in there.
^ this

PP
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Asteriktos on June 19, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
I never much cared for "Assisi". Always made it sound like one of your most beloved saints was "a sissy". Though from what I remember of Chesterton's biography, he was a bit strange...  :police:
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Shanghaiski on June 19, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
Some would not be surprised. After all, the Roman Papacy has been serving Antichrist since 1054.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Paisius on June 19, 2012, 02:09:48 PM
Some would not be surprised. After all, the Roman Papacy has been serving Antichrist since 1054.


Took almost a dozen posts. Must be some kind of record.......
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Aindriú on June 19, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
Some would not be surprised. After all, the Roman Papacy has been serving Antichrist since 1054.

Only 12 posts before this? Wow...
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Shanghaiski on June 19, 2012, 02:59:17 PM
Got sarcasm?
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Paisius on June 19, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
Got sarcasm?


Apparently not.  :P
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: KBN1 on June 19, 2012, 04:06:17 PM
I don't have any idea what the "Assisi events" are.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Shanghaiski on June 19, 2012, 04:13:33 PM
I don't have any idea what the "Assisi events" are.

Apparently, they're events run by a sissy, for the edification of other sissies, but they always seem to be in Italy and involve the Pope of Rome chumming with leaders of every other religion on earth and waxing on about how they're all really great. Afterward, they join hands and sing kumbaya. The better events have liturgical dancing, which is basically just chics prancing around in earth-tone leotards with or without flags or chintzy veils, sometimes accompanied by tambourines, guitars, or costumed natives and/or clowns singing "Ave Maria," which is re-interpreted as a song to Gaia, the spirit of the earth, a mother symbol only offensive to those dogmatic barbarians still enslaved to creeds. The events usually make a lot of them pretty upset, but the rest of the world continues its descent into apostasy whilst most religious leaders remain oblivious since they're too busy golfing and praying with each other.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Asteriktos on June 19, 2012, 04:14:01 PM
I don't have any idea what the "Assisi events" are.

Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Benjamin the Red on June 19, 2012, 04:46:56 PM
Not gonna lie, I didn't remember these things existed until I read your post. I've only heard about them in passing a few times, so I can't really give an opinion on them.

Though, my ignorance on the matter probably points to what previous posters have said. :P

P.S.

I'd also second Kathrine's statement that EO ecumenism is more less "being polite." There's not really anyone (at least not really any hierarch) that wants to usher in some new worldwide religion, or even a unified Christian Church if it means compromising on doctrine. Though, we'll gladly show up, shake your hand and say a prayer with you. Why not?
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on June 19, 2012, 05:14:00 PM
Anybody who is a devout Orthodox Christian and sees what went on there will be crushed. Imagine Orthodox bishops and choirs participating in joint prayer with not only heretics, but with heathens, animists and others to the common abstract God of Peace. I was nearly moved to tears to hear the Kyrie sung by an Orthodox choir alongside the incantations of all the other world religions. We were shamed by these bishops and put on an equal ontological footing with all other religions for all spectators present. Buddhist monks were chanting the Om in consecrated Christian temples. The whole thing was a mockery of our faith.

This video is by Roman Catholic schismatics, but I know there are Orthodox ones out there on this event, especially by our Old Calendarist schismatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1IKwlOGZb4

8:44 there is something else special going on, and it just takes off from there.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: вєликаго on June 19, 2012, 06:05:21 PM
Anybody who is a devout Orthodox Christian and sees what went on there will be crushed. Imagine Orthodox bishops and choirs participating in joint prayer with not only heretics, but with heathens, animists and others to the common abstract God of Peace. I was nearly moved to tears to hear the Kyrie sung by an Orthodox choir alongside the incantations of all the other world religions. We were shamed by these bishops and put on an equal ontological footing with all other religions for all spectators present. Buddhist monks were chanting the Om in consecrated Christian temples. The whole thing was a mockery of our faith.

This video is by Roman Catholic schismatics, but I know there are Orthodox ones out there on this event, especially by our Old Calendarist schismatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1IKwlOGZb4

8:44 there is something else special going on, and it just takes off from there.

The video was pretty educational I think.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: Paisius on June 19, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
Anybody who is a devout Orthodox Christian and sees what went on there will be crushed. Imagine Orthodox bishops and choirs participating in joint prayer with not only heretics, but with heathens, animists and others to the common abstract God of Peace. I was nearly moved to tears to hear the Kyrie sung by an Orthodox choir alongside the incantations of all the other world religions. We were shamed by these bishops and put on an equal ontological footing with all other religions for all spectators present. Buddhist monks were chanting the Om in consecrated Christian temples. The whole thing was a mockery of our faith.

This video is by Roman Catholic schismatics, but I know there are Orthodox ones out there on this event, especially by our Old Calendarist schismatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1IKwlOGZb4

8:44 there is something else special going on, and it just takes off from there.


Yikes! Not sure why some people think that's a good idea.
Title: Re: What do the Eastern Orthodox think of the Assisi events?
Post by: вєликаго on June 19, 2012, 06:44:56 PM
Anybody who is a devout Orthodox Christian and sees what went on there will be crushed. Imagine Orthodox bishops and choirs participating in joint prayer with not only heretics, but with heathens, animists and others to the common abstract God of Peace. I was nearly moved to tears to hear the Kyrie sung by an Orthodox choir alongside the incantations of all the other world religions. We were shamed by these bishops and put on an equal ontological footing with all other religions for all spectators present. Buddhist monks were chanting the Om in consecrated Christian temples. The whole thing was a mockery of our faith.

This video is by Roman Catholic schismatics, but I know there are Orthodox ones out there on this event, especially by our Old Calendarist schismatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1IKwlOGZb4

8:44 there is something else special going on, and it just takes off from there.


Yikes! Not sure why some people think that's a good idea.

Good question, I for one think its a very bad idea.