Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Selam, you're right. I do have doubt. And I'd rather work somewhere else anyway. Preferably some place tech-related. It's something I know, enjoy, and my employee discount would be good for something (again, really don't like beer). And your input is extremely appreciated. But that said, I just wanted to say that I don't feel your drunk driver comparison is a fair one. Drug stores sell all sorts of things that can be addictive and/or impair driving. Your analogy sounds kind of like saying we shouldn't sell butcher knives just in case someone decides to out the Halloween movies.
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)
Selam
Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)
Selam
Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Orthodox beer? Where?
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
Wine comes from the devil. That's in the Bible. So, pretty easy answer in my opinion.So why did you vote Yes? ;)
Wine comes from the devil. That's in the Bible. So, pretty easy answer in my opinion.
Or else he's just employing some rhetorical irony here.Wine comes from the devil. That's in the Bible. So, pretty easy answer in my opinion.
I know I should not question Lord Sauron, as only destruction awaits those who defy him, but I gotta say:
Not sure what passage you're referring to, but considering Jesus both made and drank wine, and wine is permitted in the Church (except on fasting days), I'm pretty sure you're missing something there.
Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Huh. I had no idea that they sold the wine and beer they made. ...I probably should have done a bit more research before coming to a forum. Seems like it would've been pretty easy to find. Thank you so much. :)Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Bless you, Peter. Seriously, way to have a back bone on such an important issue.
Wine comes from the devil. That's in the Bible. So, pretty easy answer in my opinion.
What German breweries do you like (if any)?Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Huh. I had no idea that they sold the wine and beer they made. ...I probably should have done a bit more research before coming to a forum. Seems like it would've been pretty easy to find. Thank you so much. :)Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Bless you, Peter. Seriously, way to have a back bone on such an important issue.
Seriously? Trappist monks make the best beer on the face of the Earth. You heard Belgium beers being good? Thats because the Breweries in Belgium copied the various types of beer from the Monks. Go get a Chimay Blue, a Rochefort 8 or 10, a Westmalle Tripple, or Orval o
r Achel, or La Trappe (Westvelenten you wont be able to find most likely and if so for a huge premium). All made by monks.
What German breweries do you like (if any)?Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Huh. I had no idea that they sold the wine and beer they made. ...I probably should have done a bit more research before coming to a forum. Seems like it would've been pretty easy to find. Thank you so much. :)Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Bless you, Peter. Seriously, way to have a back bone on such an important issue.
Seriously? Trappist monks make the best beer on the face of the Earth. You heard Belgium beers being good? Thats because the Breweries in Belgium copied the various types of beer from the Monks. Go get a Chimay Blue, a Rochefort 8 or 10, a Westmalle Tripple, or Orval o
r Achel, or La Trappe (Westvelenten you wont be able to find most likely and if so for a huge premium). All made by monks.
What German breweries do you like (if any)?Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Huh. I had no idea that they sold the wine and beer they made. ...I probably should have done a bit more research before coming to a forum. Seems like it would've been pretty easy to find. Thank you so much. :)Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Bless you, Peter. Seriously, way to have a back bone on such an important issue.
Seriously? Trappist monks make the best beer on the face of the Earth. You heard Belgium beers being good? Thats because the Breweries in Belgium copied the various types of beer from the Monks. Go get a Chimay Blue, a Rochefort 8 or 10, a Westmalle Tripple, or Orval o
r Achel, or La Trappe (Westvelenten you wont be able to find most likely and if so for a huge premium). All made by monks.
I lived in Germany for a while but only visited two or three brauhouses. Lets see, theres the Munchen Hofbrauhaus. Kind of a standard, but their glasses are green which means it can skunk or degrate easily unfortunately. It does not transport well. The Schweinfurt and Wurzburg Hofbrauhaus's are good too but you cant pick em up here. Spaten is okay. The Ayinger dopplebock is probably the best there is. Did not drink that until came back here as is the case with all of the beers I state heron after. Anything by Weihenstephaner is great. Ive tried the premium or original, and it is readily available over here. Got no problem with Warstiener. Kinda have outgrown it though, but unlike American Macros would not hesitate to drink. Ayinger and Weihenstephaner and Munchen Hofbrauhaus are the big three in my opinion. Get that dopplebock you will thank me. Look for the red and the goats.
On a side note, Great Lakes Dortmunder is world class, as is thier porter, which I am drinking now... better than founders, and thats saying a lot.
What German breweries do you like (if any)?Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselves, why should there be a problem with someone working at a beer store?
Huh. I had no idea that they sold the wine and beer they made. ...I probably should have done a bit more research before coming to a forum. Seems like it would've been pretty easy to find. Thank you so much. :)Not much different from working in a convenience store, which I've done since becoming Orthodox. As long as the store owner didn't ask me to sell porn, I didn't see a problem with working there, at least until I could find a better job. (I once threatened to quit my job at a 7-Eleven because the owner wanted to sell porn; in response to my threat and a customer complaint, he relented and sent the porn back to its supplier.)
Bless you, Peter. Seriously, way to have a back bone on such an important issue.
Seriously? Trappist monks make the best beer on the face of the Earth. You heard Belgium beers being good? Thats because the Breweries in Belgium copied the various types of beer from the Monks. Go get a Chimay Blue, a Rochefort 8 or 10, a Westmalle Tripple, or Orval o
r Achel, or La Trappe (Westvelenten you wont be able to find most likely and if so for a huge premium). All made by monks.
I lived in Germany for a while but only visited two or three brauhouses. Lets see, theres the Munchen Hofbrauhaus. Kind of a standard, but their glasses are green which means it can skunk or degrate easily unfortunately. It does not transport well. The Schweinfurt and Wurzburg Hofbrauhaus's are good too but you cant pick em up here. Spaten is okay. The Ayinger dopplebock is probably the best there is. Did not drink that until came back here as is the case with all of the beers I state heron after. Anything by Weihenstephaner is great. Ive tried the premium or original, and it is readily available over here. Got no problem with Warstiener. Kinda have outgrown it though, but unlike American Macros would not hesitate to drink. Ayinger and Weihenstephaner and Munchen Hofbrauhaus are the big three in my opinion. Get that dopplebock you will thank me. Look for the red and the goats.
On a side note, Great Lakes Dortmunder is world class, as is thier porter, which I am drinking now... better than founders, and thats saying a lot.
I've had Weihenstephaner's doppelbock, but not Ayinger's (in fact, I haven't ever seen a bottle of it, must not have been looking hard enough). I'll have to search for some the next time I go shopping for beer. Thanks for the recommendations.
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
Again, I will point out that food is necessary while alcohol is not. So this is a false comaprison. Alcoholic beverages are specifically intended to intoxicate, and even mild consumption of alcohol intoxicates slightly. The purpose of the internet is not to promote pornograpy, although the proliferation of pornography is certainly an unfortunate by product of the internet. And food is essential to our survival, even though many people abuse food. So there is a huge difference between selling a product which is designed to intoxicate and selling food, medicine, or tools and instruments that are quite necessary and essential to our daily lives.
I could turn your logic on its head and argue that it's morally ok to sell pornography since many married couples use porn to "spice up" their marriage. Just because some people abuse pornography doesn't mean those who sell pornography should be held responsible. (But let me clarify that I am not making a moral equivalence between alcohol and pornogrpahy. Alcohol is not evil in and of itself like pornography, and there is no sin in moderate alcohol consumption. However, alcohol is designed to intoxicate, and it is not essential or necessary to our survival or to our daily lives.)
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.
Selam
OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
Again, I will point out that food is necessary while alcohol is not. So this is a false comaprison. Alcoholic beverages are specifically intended to intoxicate, and even mild consumption of alcohol intoxicates slightly. The purpose of the internet is not to promote pornograpy, although the proliferation of pornography is certainly an unfortunate by product of the internet. And food is essential to our survival, even though many people abuse food. So there is a huge difference between selling a product which is designed to intoxicate and selling food, medicine, or tools and instruments that are quite necessary and essential to our daily lives.
I could turn your logic on its head and argue that it's morally ok to sell pornography since many married couples use porn to "spice up" their marriage. Just because some people abuse pornography doesn't mean those who sell pornography should be held responsible. (But let me clarify that I am not making a moral equivalence between alcohol and pornogrpahy. Alcohol is not evil in and of itself like pornography, and there is no sin in moderate alcohol consumption. However, alcohol is designed to intoxicate, and it is not essential or necessary to our survival or to our daily lives.)
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.
Selam
I don't want to come off as if I'm arguing with you. I'm still undecided on this and appreciate your input. However, there is no good way to use porn. There is, however, a good way to drink. People may drink in moderation. My father has a beer or two every day, and doesn't get drunk from it. People enjoy the social aspect of it. It's not made just with the purpose to intoxicating.
Also, pharmacies have a lot of over-the-counter meds with no prescription needed that can get a guy pretty messed up.
Also I should point out that for you to buy, someone else must sell. I don't want to sound judgemental because you do make good points, but unless you brew your own beer, wouldn't your own purchasing be an endorsement of the distributor?
Alcohol is not designed to intoxicate. The fact that many abuse alcohol does not mean that alcohol is designed to be abused.OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
Again, I will point out that food is necessary while alcohol is not. So this is a false comaprison. Alcoholic beverages are specifically intended to intoxicate, and even mild consumption of alcohol intoxicates slightly. The purpose of the internet is not to promote pornograpy, although the proliferation of pornography is certainly an unfortunate by product of the internet. And food is essential to our survival, even though many people abuse food. So there is a huge difference between selling a product which is designed to intoxicate and selling food, medicine, or tools and instruments that are quite necessary and essential to our daily lives.
I could turn your logic on its head and argue that it's morally ok to sell pornography since many married couples use porn to "spice up" their marriage. Just because some people abuse pornography doesn't mean those who sell pornography should be held responsible. (But let me clarify that I am not making a moral equivalence between alcohol and pornogrpahy. Alcohol is not evil in and of itself like pornography, and there is no sin in moderate alcohol consumption. However, alcohol is designed to intoxicate, and it is not essential or necessary to our survival or to our daily lives.)
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.
Selam
And I will say that if you can't find any other employment and working at the beer store is the only way you can support yourself or your family, then it may be OK. But I think you are wise to seek employment elsewhere.I can agree with this, but only for a totally different reason. Working in a beer store, if it's anything like working in a convenience store, is likely very low paying work. I certainly wouldn't do it if I had the option of working a much higher paying job, but if I were unemployed and desperately in need of work, I would go back to working in a convenience store until I could find something better.
Alcohol is not designed to intoxicate. The fact that many abuse alcohol does not mean that alcohol is designed to be abused.OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
Again, I will point out that food is necessary while alcohol is not. So this is a false comaprison. Alcoholic beverages are specifically intended to intoxicate, and even mild consumption of alcohol intoxicates slightly. The purpose of the internet is not to promote pornograpy, although the proliferation of pornography is certainly an unfortunate by product of the internet. And food is essential to our survival, even though many people abuse food. So there is a huge difference between selling a product which is designed to intoxicate and selling food, medicine, or tools and instruments that are quite necessary and essential to our daily lives.
I could turn your logic on its head and argue that it's morally ok to sell pornography since many married couples use porn to "spice up" their marriage. Just because some people abuse pornography doesn't mean those who sell pornography should be held responsible. (But let me clarify that I am not making a moral equivalence between alcohol and pornogrpahy. Alcohol is not evil in and of itself like pornography, and there is no sin in moderate alcohol consumption. However, alcohol is designed to intoxicate, and it is not essential or necessary to our survival or to our daily lives.)
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.
Selam
Mild intoxication is not abuse (maybe I should use a different word than intoxication though.) If alcohol were not designed to alter consciousness in some way, then everyone would simply drink grape juice and near beer.
Selam
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.I suppose that's a glass-half-empty way of looking at this. The glass-half-full approach I like to use would say that he who sells beer helps contribute to the merriment of others. Ain't nothin' wrong with that. ;D
Alcohol is not designed to intoxicate. The fact that many abuse alcohol does not mean that alcohol is designed to be abused.I believe that alcohol is manufactured to intoxicate (which is different than abuse). We can demonstrate this with looking at the ratio of alcoholic beer sales vs. non-alcoholic beer sales. The fact that alcoholic beer vastly outsells it's non-alcoholic cousin is demonstrative that consumers do indeed want the feeling, however significant, that alcohol provides. Of course taste will be a major factor, but taste can be chemically reproduced. I would wager a case of your favorite beer that the majority of beer drinkers would choose alcoholic beer over a non-alcoholic beer even if it tasted the same.
Here in Ontario, as in most Canadian provinces, alcoholic beverages are not sold in grocery or convenience stores (except perhaps in small isolated communities).
I'm not a beer drinker myself - but I don't object to others' moderate drinking. Here's what BalmungSama is talking about: The Beer Store (http://www.thebeerstore.ca/)
"The Beer Store" is always well known enough in any community to serve as a landmark when giving directions :).
Alcohol is not designed to intoxicate. The fact that many abuse alcohol does not mean that alcohol is designed to be abused.OK, I drink beer during non fasting periods, so some people may label me a hypocrite for saying this. But I would recommend that you not work at the "beer store." Alcoholism is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Even though moderate alcohol consumption is indeed a Christian liberty, I don't think we should facilitate the sale and spread of any product that could potentially be addictive and destructive.I'm not sure what the laws are in Canada, but in many US states it's illegal to sell alcohol to anyone who's visibly intoxicated, and a store can be held liable for anything the drunk does in his drunkenness (e.g., drunk driving) for violating that law. I've had to call the police (911) a few times to report someone who drove out of the parking lot after I refused to sell him beer because he appeared drunk.
I suggest you try to find employment elsewhere, even if it means less pay. Consider this: how would you feel about the person who sold alcohol to the drunk driver that killed your loved one? Sure, it's ultimately the drunk driver's fault, but perhaps he would not have gotten drunk if no one had been there to sell him the alcohol. Yes, I know the argument, "Well he'd just buy it from somebody else." But as Orthodox Christians we should be above reproach and do our best not to contribute to evil.
If you have to ask the question, then obviously there is some doubt in your mind. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Just my two cents, FWIW.
(BTW, props to Peter for taking a stand on the sale of pornography. I think that's outstanding. Seriously!)is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families.
Selam
Also, your logic would rule out someone working in a pharmacy, since many pharmaceuticals can be addictive and destructive, particularly pain killers like oxycontin.
His logic would also rule out selling food--because gluttony is a serious problem that takes its toll on countless individuals and families. Or selling internet service, or indeed doing anything to maintain its infrastructure, as there has never been a better or more convenient tool for the pornography and the exercise of lust in the history of the human race. And while we're there, what about cell phones, since texting while driving has been proven to be at least as deadly as drinking while driving. Teach science and someone will use what you've taught to attack theism.
Again, I will point out that food is necessary while alcohol is not. So this is a false comaprison. Alcoholic beverages are specifically intended to intoxicate, and even mild consumption of alcohol intoxicates slightly. The purpose of the internet is not to promote pornograpy, although the proliferation of pornography is certainly an unfortunate by product of the internet. And food is essential to our survival, even though many people abuse food. So there is a huge difference between selling a product which is designed to intoxicate and selling food, medicine, or tools and instruments that are quite necessary and essential to our daily lives.
I could turn your logic on its head and argue that it's morally ok to sell pornography since many married couples use porn to "spice up" their marriage. Just because some people abuse pornography doesn't mean those who sell pornography should be held responsible. (But let me clarify that I am not making a moral equivalence between alcohol and pornogrpahy. Alcohol is not evil in and of itself like pornography, and there is no sin in moderate alcohol consumption. However, alcohol is designed to intoxicate, and it is not essential or necessary to our survival or to our daily lives.)
As I said earlier, I enjoy beer during non fasting seasons and rejoice in that Christian liberty. However, I would never sell alcohol since I am aware that I could be contributing to the suffering and misery of others. But that's just my opinion.
Selam
Mild intoxication is not abuse (maybe I should use a different word than intoxication though.) If alcohol were not designed to alter consciousness in some way, then everyone would simply drink grape juice and near beer.
Selam
Pointless aside: anybody tried kvass? It kind of tastes like bread. :)Ugh. I tried it once at Pascha. Remove the letters 'k' and 'v' and that's the sensation I got from it.
I'll let the Canadian beer drinkers respond to that ;).Here in Ontario, as in most Canadian provinces, alcoholic beverages are not sold in grocery or convenience stores (except perhaps in small isolated communities).
I'm not a beer drinker myself - but I don't object to others' moderate drinking. Here's what BalmungSama is talking about: The Beer Store (http://www.thebeerstore.ca/)
"The Beer Store" is always well known enough in any community to serve as a landmark when giving directions :).
I checked it out and found it wanting, especially when it comes to the artisan world-class beers now produced in the States. I wonder if this is the result of (a) Canadian tastes, (b) provincialism, or (c) typical government operations.
This beer does not even bother to hide its infernal nature, putting the Evil One right on the label:
(http://www.beeroftheday.com/beer_images/unibroue_maudite/unibroue_maudite_3.jpg)
Have fun with your beer because there will be none in the lake of burning flame.
Maudite means damned by the way.... I dont drink this because of that, but have a sister product of theirs Don De Dieu, which means 'Gift of G-d' in the fridge.
Maudite means damned by the way.... I dont drink this because of that, but have a sister product of theirs Don De Dieu, which means 'Gift of G-d' in the fridge.
GOD. GOD. GOD. >:(
Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
Not any more. American craft brew is something remarkable to behold. That is the residual effects of prudish temperance of the American narrative. It promotes extremists positions, either all the way to right with total abstinence, and all the way to the left with absolutely, maniacal beer snobbery. In the middle? Much like geography, its Coors.. Tap the Rockies :)Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!Not any more. American craft brew is something remarkable to behold. That is the residual effects of prudish temperance of the American narrative. It promotes extremists positions, either all the way to right with total abstinence, and all the way to the left with absolutely, maniacal beer snobbery. In the middle? Much like geography, its Coors.. Tap the Rockies :)Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
stay blessed,
habte selassie
Including that which you are too young to have experienced legally in your state?How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
I am well versed in many things.
Including that which you are too young to have experienced legally in your state?How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
I am well versed in many things.
So what is the best red wine I can get? I honestly have no knowledge of wine.
Yes, I understand that the drinking age in Mexico is only 18, and since Arizona shares a border with Mexico, I suppose it's not all that difficult for you to have spent some time south of the border. I didn't mean to sound as if I was attacking you. I was just surprised by your knowledge of wine and beer and found it hard to believe you could know so much about the subject, considering some of the personal details you've revealed in your profile. Please forgive me for causing you offense.Including that which you are too young to have experienced legally in your state?How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
I am well versed in many things.
I wasn't aware it was impossible to leave the borders of Arizona.
Yes, I understand that the drinking age in Mexico is only 18, and since Arizona shares a border with Mexico, I suppose it's not all that difficult for you to have spent some time south of the border. I didn't mean to sound as if I was attacking you. I was just surprised by your knowledge of wine and beer and found it hard to believe you could know so much about the subject, considering some of the personal details you've revealed in your profile. Please forgive me for causing you offense.Including that which you are too young to have experienced legally in your state?How do you know all this? ???Alcohol is not necessary? Only an American could say that. In Old Europe, Alcohol (wine or beer) IS necessary for normal socializing among adults.
Yeah, but their beer is better. ;D
You must have never had Octoberfest from Sam Adams. And American wine beat French wine in (I believe) 1971.
Really? It seems a trip to the store is required! :D
To which part, Octoberfest or American wine? For Octoberfest, you'll have to wait until August, unfortunately. As to the wine, French wine critics were quite dismayed to realize that they preferred American wine in a blind taste test; but then again, wine critics have also been known to rate the same wine in strikingly different ways when it's put in two different bottles with one bottle labelled with an expensive wine, and the other an inexpensive one, so wine critics are really crap.
Plus, the American Association of Wine Economists has shown that cheaper wines are preferred in blind taste tests. Go to Circle K and pick up the wine they sell, you won't regret it.
I am well versed in many things.
I wasn't aware it was impossible to leave the borders of Arizona.
The best beer is Pilsner Urquell. I need a trip to Prague.
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Of course Coors is horrible stuff, but if you pay attention, I placed it on the middle of a spectrum that was temperance at one extreme and beer snobbery on the other, so day to day alchies who tap the rockies fit perfectly in the middle there. Further, it was a pun on geography, the rockies, the middle, the continental divide.. I'm off to enjoy some Stone IPA with the Heat game, its Pentecost today, tomorrow, we Fast.
stay blessed,
habte selassie
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Of course Coors is horrible stuff, but if you pay attention, I placed it on the middle of a spectrum that was temperance at one extreme and beer snobbery on the other, so day to day alchies who tap the rockies fit perfectly in the middle there. Further, it was a pun on geography, the rockies, the middle, the continental divide.. I'm off to enjoy some Stone IPA with the Heat game, its Pentecost today, tomorrow, we Fast.
stay blessed,
habte selassie
Not an IPA fan (yeah I know, IPAs and Imperial Russian Stouts make up 75% of the craft brews here) but I can drink Stone's and somewhat enjoy it. DFH 60 or 90 is decent for me as well. The stuff that tastes like pine cone, Ill drain pour that without a second thought.
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Of course Coors is horrible stuff, but if you pay attention, I placed it on the middle of a spectrum that was temperance at one extreme and beer snobbery on the other, so day to day alchies who tap the rockies fit perfectly in the middle there. Further, it was a pun on geography, the rockies, the middle, the continental divide.. I'm off to enjoy some Stone IPA with the Heat game, its Pentecost today, tomorrow, we Fast.
stay blessed,
habte selassie
Not an IPA fan (yeah I know, IPAs and Imperial Russian Stouts make up 75% of the craft brews here) but I can drink Stone's and somewhat enjoy it. DFH 60 or 90 is decent for me as well. The stuff that tastes like pine cone, Ill drain pour that without a second thought.
If you drink enough of something else, no beer tastes bad.
Pointless aside: anybody tried kvass? It kind of tastes like bread. :)
If you drink enough of something else, no beer tastes bad.
Since I can rarely afford Guiness, Pale Ale, and the finer quality beer that I really enjoy, I confess that in order to satiate my proletriate palate I sometimes consume:(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2508/colt45jpeg.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/859/colt45jpeg.png/)
Selam
Yeah I don't get it either. It tastes like burnt poop.Since I can rarely afford Guiness, Pale Ale, and the finer quality beer that I really enjoy, I confess that in order to satiate my proletriate palate I sometimes consume:(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2508/colt45jpeg.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/859/colt45jpeg.png/)
Selam
Guiness...I don't understand why so many people like it.
And anything from a can - in my, admittedly not massive, experience - tastes terrible.
winophiliaLove of Wino's? :)
winophiliaLove of Wino's? :)
James, Guinness is good for you.
Best red wine = Mavrodaphne.
Best sh!+ beer = Coors, Budweiser, Miller, chilled urine...it all tastes the same but the first three have the desired effect.
Ayinger Brau Weisse was original given to man by the angels.
James, Guinness is good for you.
Best red wine = Mavrodaphne.
Best sh!+ beer = Coors, Budweiser, Miller, chilled urine...it all tastes the same but the first three have the desired effect.
Ayinger Brau Weisse was original given to man by the angels.
And anything from a can - in my, admittedly not massive, experience - tastes terrible.
I love stouts, but Guiness is just OK. I love both Young's Double Chocolate Stout and their Oatmeal Stout (although no longer available, I believe). Smith's puts out a great Oatmeal Stout, too. Sammy Adams has a great Cream Stout. My second choice of beer is Hefeweizen. Paulaner puts out an absolutely amazing Hefeweizen!!
(http://www.theperfectlyhappyman.com/uploads/youngs-double-chocolate-stout.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VxkLAUCH7pM/SMBaUrORABI/AAAAAAAAAVM/ffxRdZGTGMg/s320/Young%27s+Oatmeal+Stout+500+ml+with+glass.jpg)
(http://api.ning.com/files/hu5hWKgboDzKGr1kfZhLVy-9Pr0wR6-AHJ5TFSl*CquL2*G3QPguOAULTpfigJ05U3tSUSKE9pgXtS7bbVUzUEAWjawSqLnz/samsmit.jpg)
(http://kd59.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/paulaner-hefe-weizen_bg.jpg)
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
To my Colt 45 packin brotha Gebre, please. Up yo low budget game :)
(http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/newcans/canpics/Rolling_Rock_24oz_0611.jpg)
trust me iyah!
And anything from a can - in my, admittedly not massive, experience - tastes terrible.
and the lil homie is right, so pour it in a glass!
stay blessed,
habte selassie
stay blessed,
habte selassie
To my Colt 45 packin brotha Gebre, please. Up yo low budget game :)
(http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/newcans/canpics/Rolling_Rock_24oz_0611.jpg)
trust me iyah!
And anything from a can - in my, admittedly not massive, experience - tastes terrible.
and the lil homie is right, so pour it in a glass!
stay blessed,
habte selassie
stay blessed,
habte selassie
LOL. Didn't say I was proud of it. ;)
Selam
James, Guinness is good for you.I hope you're being sincere cause I'll buy some tomorrow. And follow ortho's rec
Best red wine = Mavrodaphne.
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
To my Colt 45 packin brotha Gebre, please. Up yo low budget game :)
(http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/newcans/canpics/Rolling_Rock_24oz_0611.jpg)
trust me iyah!
And anything from a can - in my, admittedly not massive, experience - tastes terrible.
and the lil homie is right, so pour it in a glass!
stay blessed,
habte selassie
stay blessed,
habte selassie
LOL. Didn't say I was proud of it. ;)
Selam
Wasn't hating, that was my honest recommendation :)
I used to drink Tecate 24z until Rolling Rock came out with em. That is my after-work wind-down special.
stay blessed,
habte selassie
If it weren't for such women, I would've spent more nights than I can count alone. Although for much of my time drinking, beer and wine were strictly food items. Vodka was my alcoholic beverage.
This is blasphemy. Everyone knows that beer is a godless latinization developed in Germany. True Orthodox Christians drink vodka and smoke cigarettes in the Narthex.
James, Guinness is good for you.I hope you're being sincere cause I'll buy some tomorrow. And follow ortho's rec
Best red wine = Mavrodaphne.
I think people should generally avoid working at a place that creates or distributes beer, considering how awful beer tastes. I have similar feelings about vegemite.
I think people should generally avoid working at a place that creates or distributes beer, considering how awful beer tastes. I have similar feelings about vegemite.
You haven't had the right beers. This August, buy Octoberfest from Sam Adams. If you do not like it, then there is probably no hope for you.
Orthodox (and, indeed, Roman Catholic) monasteries have been making wine (and, in western Europe, also brewing beer) for many centuries. If it's OK for monks to make wine (and it's by no means all intended for sacramental use) and sell it to support themselvesLink? I would love some wine made by Orthodox Monks (USA please...Im not trying to pay an arm and a leg).
I think people should generally avoid working at a place that creates or distributes beer, considering how awful beer tastes. I have similar feelings about vegemite.
Can't find it anywhere near me.James, Guinness is good for you.I hope you're being sincere cause I'll buy some tomorrow. And follow ortho's rec
Best red wine = Mavrodaphne.
Yep, I was being cereal. Mavrodaphne is the best.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_A_opcg_BeKs/TLoV4L6g7jI/AAAAAAAABxo/8uSV-hBin-0/s1600/Samuel+Adams+Latitude+48+IPA.jpg)I think people should generally avoid working at a place that creates or distributes beer, considering how awful beer tastes. I have similar feelings about vegemite.
You haven't had the right beers. This August, buy Octoberfest from Sam Adams. If you do not like it, then there is probably no hope for you.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_A_opcg_BeKs/TLoV4L6g7jI/AAAAAAAABxo/8uSV-hBin-0/s1600/Samuel+Adams+Latitude+48+IPA.jpg)
Interestingly enough, I've never been into Sam Adam's Boston Lager, to hoppy for a lager, but I got some Latitude 48 IPA, and it is almost as good as Stone's IPA. Indulgent, luxurious, thick, creamy, bursting with aromatic flavor with fruity understones. A great brew :)
stay blessed,
habte selassie