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Title: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: JamesR on May 02, 2012, 09:23:39 PM
This is something I've never really gotten a clear answer to before. I emailed my Priest about it but he has not responded yet. So, I felt like asking you fellows. What exactly is the Church's position in regards to the Old Testament? Are we still under certain ordinances from it or not? I've had some people say that it does not apply to us at all anymore, and others that some parts do, and even others who say that all of it does. What is our relationship with the Old Testament? Likewise, more specifically, could I use Old Testament ordinances and scriptures to support liturgical worship against contemporary modernist worship?
Title: Re: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: witega on May 03, 2012, 12:54:46 AM
exactly

I think you may be misinformed. Orthodox don't do 'exactly'.
Title: Re: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: SolEX01 on May 03, 2012, 01:05:58 AM
Likewise, more specifically, could I use Old Testament ordinances and scriptures to support liturgical worship against contemporary modernist worship?

Why do such a thing?  Why not focus on the cathecumenate because to answer your question - the New Testament, in Jesus Christ, fulfills the Old Testament.  What happened in the Old Testament was supposed to prepare the children of Israel for the Messiah.  When the Messiah came, he was crucified (even that was prophecized in the Old Testament).
Title: Re: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: Asteriktos on May 03, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
In broad strokes... the Old Testament has been superceded by the new. The morality of the NT is superior, the ability to achieve salvation is, well, brand new, and we are to follow grace more than law (not that there wasn't both concepts in both the OT and NT).
Title: Re: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: ironchapman on September 12, 2012, 06:23:19 PM
Bump.

I was talking with a friend last night who was debating someone about whether OT laws still apply. I told him my understanding of the issue was that the arrival, death, and resurrection of Jesus had abolished the written laws (no pork, punishments for crimes, etc) but kept the moral ones (don't kill or steal, etc.).

He said it was more complicated than that. Admittedly, he is a Catholic, and a pretty learned one at that. What am I missing, or is this just some understanding Catholics have that Orthodox don't.
Title: Re: What Exactly is our Relation to the Old Testament?
Post by: yeshuaisiam on September 17, 2012, 01:04:34 PM
Likewise, more specifically, could I use Old Testament ordinances and scriptures to support liturgical worship against contemporary modernist worship?

Why do such a thing?  Why not focus on the cathecumenate because to answer your question - the New Testament, in Jesus Christ, fulfills the Old Testament.  What happened in the Old Testament was supposed to prepare the children of Israel for the Messiah.  When the Messiah came, he was crucified (even that was prophecized in the Old Testament).

I don't know if JamesR could say that without defining contemporary modernist worship.

For instance, Messianic Jews worship in Aramayic and on the Sabbath.  This practice many early Christians did.

Some may consider the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom modernist compared to the Liturgy of St. James

Then you could go into the "modernist" new calendar.

Or the old believer Orthodox would call the current mainstream EO church modernist...

Modernist can be defined differently.