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Title: Magnificat
Post by: henrikhankhagnell on January 16, 2012, 01:21:21 AM
When do Orthodoxes chant Magnificat?
and are there any recording of this canticle in Liturgical languages (other than Latin)
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: PeterTheAleut on January 16, 2012, 01:52:16 AM
When do Orthodoxes chant Magnificat?
During Matins between Odes 8 & 9 of the Canon
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: NicholasMyra on January 16, 2012, 02:06:31 AM
Russian Magnificat. Sergei Tolstokulakov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmHocZDI6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmHocZDI6w)

from matins service in Bigorski monastery in Macedonia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJb6VESUSTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJb6VESUSTs)



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Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: henrikhankhagnell on January 16, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmHocZDI6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJb6VESUSTs

i like the men with long hair :)
did the macedonian monks sing in koine greek?
During Matins between Odes 8 & 9 of the Canon
why during matins and not during vespers?
Roman Catholic version from vespers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pqxZf4BkA4
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: Iconodule on January 16, 2012, 10:20:47 AM
I believe the Macedonians speak Bulgarian and so their liturgy would be in Church Slavonic
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: biro on January 16, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
I've always wondered why it is between Odes 8 & 9, and not after Ode 9. Does anyone know?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: PeterTheAleut on January 16, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
I've always wondered why it is between Odes 8 & 9, and not after Ode 9. Does anyone know?

Thanks.  :)
Why would it be after Ode 9? Do you think it fits better there?
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: biro on January 16, 2012, 11:23:45 AM
I don't know, I just thought it was so close to the end, why not put it last... oh well. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: PeterTheAleut on January 16, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
I don't know, I just thought it was so close to the end, why not put it last... oh well. Thanks.  :)
Actually, I think the Magnificat is considered a part of Ode 9. We start with the biblical text of Mary's hymn, then proceed to the Church's meditation on that hymn.
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: Deacon Lance on January 16, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
I've always wondered why it is between Odes 8 & 9, and not after Ode 9. Does anyone know?

Thanks.  :)

Because originally the Canons included the Canticles.  The Canticle was sung first and the Irmos and Troparia followed.  Later the Cantilces themselves were dropped but the Irmoi and Troparia remained except for the Canticle of the Theotokos.
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: Νεκτάριος on January 17, 2012, 06:54:03 AM
I believe the Macedonians speak Bulgarian and so their liturgy would be in Church Slavonic

Macedonians speak <gasp> Macedonian. 

Ethnic group X must speak language Y (due to refusing to recognize language X due to petty nationalistic squabble) and therefore their liturgy must be in language Z (which is neither X nor Y).  Orthodox logic FTW! 
Title: Re: Magnificat
Post by: biro on January 17, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
Thanks, Peter and Deacon Lance.  :)