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Title: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 23, 2011, 09:34:54 PM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: quietmorning on December 23, 2011, 09:50:45 PM
Thanks be to God that they caught it in time. 
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Benjamin the Red on December 23, 2011, 10:31:28 PM
Good to know HRH was taken care of and will be fine. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 23, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.

Is it some sort of political statement you wish to make?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Basil 320 on December 23, 2011, 11:33:41 PM
The article noted that Philip was born on the island of Corfu (Kyrkira), but neglected to mention that he was titled "Prince of Greece," a member of the Greek royal family, living in exile, prior to his engagement to Princess Elizabeth.  His last name, "Mountbatten" was adopted at the time of his engagement, around the time that, unfortunately, he converted from Orthodoxy to Anglicanism; (in recent years he has visited the Holy Mountain, Mount Athos).
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Benjamin the Red on December 23, 2011, 11:42:21 PM
The article noted that Philip was born on the island of Corfu (Kyrkira), but neglected to mention that he was titled "Prince of Greece," a member of the Greek royal family, living in exile, prior to his engagement to Princess Elizabeth.  His last name, "Mountbatten" was adopted at the time of his engagement, around the time that, unfortunately, he converted from Orthodoxy to Anglicanism; (in recent years he has visited the Holy Mountain, Mount Athos).

Very true. I've also heard that one of his sons (grandsons?) has also made regular trips to the Holy Mountain to regularly see a particular elder. There was a matched set of icons at the latest royal wedding, as well...
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: William on December 23, 2011, 11:54:27 PM
The article noted that Philip was born on the island of Corfu (Kyrkira), but neglected to mention that he was titled "Prince of Greece," a member of the Greek royal family, living in exile, prior to his engagement to Princess Elizabeth.  His last name, "Mountbatten" was adopted at the time of his engagement, around the time that, unfortunately, he converted from Orthodoxy to Anglicanism; (in recent years he has visited the Holy Mountain, Mount Athos).

Very true. I've also heard that one of his sons (grandsons?) has also made regular trips to the Holy Mountain to regularly see a particular elder. There was a matched set of icons at the latest royal wedding, as well...

The son in question is HRH Prince Charles.

http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/hrh.htm (http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/hrh.htm)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 23, 2011, 11:59:14 PM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.
Just let him be. It's a well known fact that Tallitot hates Queen Elizabeth, and nothing is going to change his opinion on this. Many of us have already tried.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: augustin717 on December 24, 2011, 12:11:32 AM
Come on now he's 90. Even princes can expect to die at 90. Because he basically lived on a fancy vacation all his life , he reached an age most working people do not.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 24, 2011, 12:37:15 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.
Just let him be. It's a well known fact that Tallitot hates Queen Elizabeth, and nothing is going to change his opinion on this. Many of us have already tried.
For the record, I don't "hate" Betty Windsor (or Margrethe Glücksburg or Jigme Khesar Wangchuck)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on December 24, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
Is it some sort of political statement you wish to make?

If you really want to get him going then just mention Mother Teresa. Good God, man.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: ialmisry on December 24, 2011, 01:00:11 AM
Come on now he's 90. Even princes can expect to die at 90. Because he basically lived on a fancy vacation all his life , he reached an age most working people do not.
Really?  Can you tell us how many royals make it to 90?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: ialmisry on December 24, 2011, 01:01:37 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.
Just let him be. It's a well known fact that Tallitot hates Queen Elizabeth, and nothing is going to change his opinion on this. Many of us have already tried.
For the record, I don't "hate" Betty Windsor (or Margrethe Glücksburg or Jigme Khesar Wangchuck)
Shouldn't you be too busy lighting candles or spinning dredels to have time to chorttle and shake your fist in jealousy at the British/Greek royal family?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 24, 2011, 01:03:11 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.
Just let him be. It's a well known fact that Tallitot hates Queen Elizabeth, and nothing is going to change his opinion on this. Many of us have already tried.

I wonder if he has broken one of the Matzvot?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: augustin717 on December 24, 2011, 01:07:34 AM
Come on now he's 90. Even princes can expect to die at 90. Because he basically lived on a fancy vacation all his life , he reached an age most working people do not.
Really?  Can you tell us how many royals make it to 90?
I remember a few: our own Mihai, Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth herself is not far from there. I bet percentage-wise royals and others of such parasitic classes make it to 90 more than people on the southside of Chicago, for instance.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: ialmisry on December 24, 2011, 01:19:11 AM
Come on now he's 90. Even princes can expect to die at 90. Because he basically lived on a fancy vacation all his life , he reached an age most working people do not.
Really?  Can you tell us how many royals make it to 90?
I remember a few: our own Mihai, Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth herself is not far from there. I bet percentage-wise royals and others of such parasitic classes make it to 90 more than people on the southside of Chicago, for instance.
I personally know three on the south side who did and have met 3-4 others, so you loose.  If I could remember exactly how many at the Chicago Hospitals (it was the only one in the area) were over 90 (there were a number, although I can't remember if it was over a dozen) I'd have a comfortable margin.  HRH Mihai just made 90, after he participated in Moscow's victory parade for WWII.

Parasitic classes?  HRH wasn't a PCR member.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 24, 2011, 01:27:35 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I

How uncouth to refer to Her Majesty in such as way.
Just let him be. It's a well known fact that Tallitot hates Queen Elizabeth, and nothing is going to change his opinion on this. Many of us have already tried.
For the record, I don't "hate" Betty Windsor (or Margrethe Glücksburg or Jigme Khesar Wangchuck)
Shouldn't you be too busy lighting candles or spinning dredels to have time to chorttle and shake your fist in jealousy at the British/Greek royal family?


just for the record, 2 of the persons I mentioned in my previous post aren't members of the British "royal" family. And while there is at least one other poster in this thread who doesn't feel the need to drool over Elizabeth, the Kotuku of New Zealand, I notice all the venom is saved for me.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Anastasios on December 24, 2011, 01:30:09 AM
So I log into the forum to make sure everything is up and running as I do from time to time and am assaulted by someone referring to Her Majesty in such a crass way. Maybe we will extend the forum rule about referring to clergy by their titles to heads of state as well... :)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: augustin717 on December 24, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
As to further enfranchise petty bourgeois reactionary reveries.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Anastasios on December 24, 2011, 01:42:28 AM
As to further enfranchise petty bourgeois reactionary reveries.

Bourgeois? That's so 1800's.  ;D
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 24, 2011, 01:45:31 AM
fine, i revised my last post to refer to her by one of her proper titles. everyone happy?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on December 24, 2011, 01:57:46 AM
fine, i revised my last post to refer to her by one of her proper titles. everyone happy?

You've gotten your attention, so the real question is: Now are you happy?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: ialmisry on December 24, 2011, 02:05:57 AM
fine, i revised my last post to refer to her by one of her proper titles. everyone happy?

You've gotten your attention, so the real question is: Now are you happy?
LOL.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Riddikulus on December 24, 2011, 04:30:39 AM
Lord, have mercy.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 24, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
It's hilarious.

Sorry, if you all can't appreciate the beauty of the five contradictions in Tallitot's posts on this topic, because you believe in taking Ren Fest seriously, I will light a candle for you tomorrow.

And he had his shabbos goy toy write the post obviously.

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: FountainPen on December 24, 2011, 07:49:09 AM
fine, i revised my last post to refer to her by one of her proper titles. everyone happy?

You've gotten your attention, so the real question is: Now are you happy?

I think he might have been waiting for applause and approval.

#24 -- Now he's happy.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: genesisone on December 24, 2011, 08:22:48 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. HRH and the rest of the Canadian Royal Family - which we are pleased to share with others  :) - are being remembered in my personal prayers and in church.

I appreciate that you have referred to Her Majesty by her correct family name. I understand your choice to avoid references to royal titles and styles in your writing - not an entirely bad thing as so many people get them all wrong anyway!

It is good to hear that the Duke's general good health will likely contribute to a reasonably rapid recovery.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Margaret S. on December 24, 2011, 10:34:09 AM

The DoE is on the mend. Quite frankly, that's the last time one lets him challenge the Duchess of Cornwall to a drinking game.  :D

http://twitter.com/Queen_UK


Margaret
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: podkarpatska on December 24, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
While royal titles are confusing, esp. to us brazen Yanks, shouldn't we be using them as honorifics just as we do for clergy and bishops - even when we may individually view one or the other as schismatic, heretic etc...? After all, if someone referred to the last Tsar by his first and familial name only, I am sure there would be an appropriate outrage posted here.
Just asking.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: ialmisry on December 24, 2011, 12:36:59 PM
It's hilarious.

Sorry, if you all can't appreciate the beauty of the five contradictions in Tallitot's posts on this topic, because you believe in taking Ren Fest seriously, I will light a candle for you tomorrow.

And he had his shabbos goy toy write the post obviously.


shabbes goy toy.  I'll have to remember that.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 24, 2011, 09:49:50 PM
While royal titles are confusing, esp. to us brazen Yanks, shouldn't we be using them as honorifics just as we do for clergy and bishops - even when we may individually view one or the other as schismatic, heretic etc...? After all, if someone referred to the last Tsar by his first and familial name only, I am sure there would be an appropriate outrage posted here.
Just asking.
Would there be? In this post (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41869.msg684832.html#msg684832)
 I refer to 2 current hereditary heads of state by name, and I don't see any hand wringing re: "Oh, how uncuth, he refered to the King of Buhtan by name instead of title" "Oh, he called the Queen of Denmark 'mrs. Glucksburg...how horrible". No it's only when one blasphems Betty-May Windsor that everyone scammers around like cats in a litter box.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 24, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
While royal titles are confusing, esp. to us brazen Yanks, shouldn't we be using them as honorifics just as we do for clergy and bishops - even when we may individually view one or the other as schismatic, heretic etc...? After all, if someone referred to the last Tsar by his first and familial name only, I am sure there would be an appropriate outrage posted here.
Just asking.
Would there be? In this post (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41869.msg684832.html#msg684832)
 I refer to 2 current hereditary heads of state by name, and I don't see any hand wringing re: "Oh, how uncuth, he refered to the King of Buhtan by name instead of title" "Oh, he called the Queen of Denmark 'mrs. Glucksburg...how horrible". No it's only when one blasphems Betty-May Windsor that everyone scammers around like cats in a litter box.

When I was a lad, in the time of the Vietnam war, I was briefly employed by Her Majesty in the Ministry of Defence.  I took an oath to defend her honour which would probably oblige me to box your ears if we were in the same room.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Riddikulus on December 25, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
While royal titles are confusing, esp. to us brazen Yanks, shouldn't we be using them as honorifics just as we do for clergy and bishops - even when we may individually view one or the other as schismatic, heretic etc...? After all, if someone referred to the last Tsar by his first and familial name only, I am sure there would be an appropriate outrage posted here.
Just asking.
Would there be? In this post (http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41869.msg684832.html#msg684832)
 I refer to 2 current hereditary heads of state by name, and I don't see any hand wringing re: "Oh, how uncuth, he refered to the King of Buhtan by name instead of title" "Oh, he called the Queen of Denmark 'mrs. Glucksburg...how horrible". No it's only when one blasphems Betty-May Windsor that everyone scammers around like cats in a litter box.

When I was a lad, in the time of the Vietnam war, I was briefly employed by Her Majesty in the Ministry of Defence.  I took an oath to defend her honour which would probably oblige me to box your ears if we were in the same room.

Forgive him, Father, for he knows not what he does. ;)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: TheMathematician on December 25, 2011, 12:09:37 AM
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Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 25, 2011, 12:27:15 AM
As much as I agree with my fellow spiritually semitic brother, well played montalo!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 12:40:28 AM
As much as I agree with my fellow spiritually semitic brother, well played montalo!

I'm pretty sure there is a mitzvah which prohibits a Jew insulting a monarch.  What would be the penalty?  Banishment to goyland?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 25, 2011, 01:47:58 AM
And how have I insulted  Paramount Chief of Fiji? By refering to her by her name, which was confered at Baptisim?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on December 25, 2011, 02:42:33 AM
Lord, have mercy on thy servants!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 03:44:45 AM
And how have I insulted  Paramount Chief of Fiji? By refering to her by her name, which was confered at Baptisim?

Forgive us, Tallitot, I think we assumed you realised how you have insulted Her Majesty.  The fact that you don't is proof of diminished capacity and you should not be held accountable for that.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 25, 2011, 03:53:23 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 25, 2011, 06:48:39 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 25, 2011, 07:10:52 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
but her name is still Elizabeth Mary Alexandra Windsor. besides I have refered to her by some of her titles in this thread as a courtesey. IIRC doesn't the magazine Private Eye refer to her as "Brenda"?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 07:41:04 AM
And how have I insulted  Paramount Chief of Fiji?

Fiji is a republic but they conferred this title of honour on Her Majesty out of their love and respect for her.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: biro on December 25, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
IIRC doesn't the magazine Private Eye refer to her as "Brenda"?

What do they know that we don't?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 25, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
but her name is still Elizabeth Mary Alexandra Windsor. besides I have refered to her by some of her titles in this thread as a courtesey. IIRC doesn't the magazine Private Eye refer to her as "Brenda"?
SWYP?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

To try and retrieve this thread from lunacy and queen bashing, maybe you could explain why you find the idea of an hereditary head of state ridiculous.

What system do you advocate?  What countries exemplify it?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
I bet percentage-wise royals and others of such parasitic classes .

Why do you find royals parasitic?   Does not the Queen and her immediate family play a role in British society? Does she not also bring in revenue via the tourist industry? Does she not pay taxes? 

How many of the royal family receive an income from the public purse?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: genesisone on December 25, 2011, 04:18:22 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
Actually, no, she isn't. It's like saying that Barack Obama is President of North Dakota. Remember what I said a few posts back about royal titles and styles  ;)?

The last "Queen of England" was Anne (from 1702-1707, when England and Scotland were united as one kingdom, as opposed to two kingdoms that shared a sovereign) and she then became Queen of Great Britain (  - 1714).

You can read about Queen Elizabeth II's titles here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_Queen_Elizabeth_II), though, like any Wikipedia article it may have it lapses.

BTW, I do appreciate that Tallitot has taken the time and trouble to research some of HM's lesser known titles.

In fact, Tallitot is quite right that a "hereditary head of state" is ridiculous. "Head of state" is republican terminology. A hereditary sovereign, OTOH, is an entirely different matter.

Now, to get back to the OP: I pray the HRH will recover fully and that plans for Jubilee celebrations next year will not be affected by his health (or that of any other key person, of course).
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 25, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
In fact, Tallitot is quite right that a "hereditary head of state" is ridiculous. "Head of state" is republican terminology.

Tallitot is quite wrong.  Who else is the head of our state if not the Queen?   We have no problem with the terminology.  A web search will reveal that we commonly use the phrase.  For example, on http://www.royal.gov.uk/hmthequeen/hmthequeen.aspx  

- "The Queen is Head of State of the UK and 15 other Commonwealth realms."

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/TemplateAssets/scheme3/banner01.gif)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: William on December 25, 2011, 04:54:01 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 25, 2011, 06:45:28 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Marc1152 on December 25, 2011, 06:57:46 PM

Here ya go. Take a lesson from our Mr. Adams:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbhzrOV2HP8
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: genesisone on December 25, 2011, 09:29:34 PM
In fact, Tallitot is quite right that a "hereditary head of state" is ridiculous. "Head of state" is republican terminology.

Tallitot is quite wrong.  Who else is the head of our state if not the Queen?   We have no problem with the terminology.  A web search will reveal that we commonly use the phrase.  For example, on http://www.royal.gov.uk/hmthequeen/hmthequeen.aspx  

- "The Queen is Head of State of the UK and 15 other Commonwealth realms."

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/TemplateAssets/scheme3/banner01.gif)

From the same website (http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/HowtheMonarchyworks/TheroleoftheSovereign.aspx):
Quote
The British Sovereign can be seen as having two roles: Head of State, and 'Head of the Nation'.

Yes, the Queen acts as Head of State. That is something the sovereign does.

As sovereign, the Queen ranks above a president. For example, oaths of allegiance are sworn to the Queen - but (hopefully) not to a president. Laws are enacted by the Queen; the formula at the beginning of every Canadian law begins:
"Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:...."

Passports are issued in the name of the Queen.  There is a difference between "sovereign" and "head of state".

It's the being sovereign that is hereditary. The job as "Head of State" is a responsibility of the sovereign - a distinction between the person and the job. And undoubtedly a point that is of interest only to nitpickers like me  :D.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: William on December 25, 2011, 10:31:01 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?

Yes. Are you referring to how God was initially reluctant to give the Hebrews a king?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 25, 2011, 10:33:03 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?

Yes. Are you referring to how God was initially reluctant to give the Hebrews a king?

Reluctant?

That's the word you are going to use?

And how well did those Kings work out?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 25, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?

Yes. Are you referring to how God was initially reluctant to give the Hebrews a king?

And with the reluctant . . . Ain't you one of the folks around here who believes God doesn't have feelings or thoughts or actions really, like really?

And is like unknowable?

Sorry folks, this might get old, but I will hold you to your words. Since an argument can hang on a single hymn or an icon, or a clip from a Patristic writing, why not a snippet of a posting history?

Sorry William, if I have you wrong. But the name change throws me off a little. And many posters fall into the above category.





Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: vamrat on December 26, 2011, 12:08:14 AM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.  I respect her more than any bogtrotter has any rights to, but even I didn't find it all that crass or insulting.  I'll capitalize "His" when referring to God, or call a Bishop by his title, but is it really necessary for Christians (or Jews in this case) to call a royal by their title?  That's just silly.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: William on December 26, 2011, 12:34:27 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?

Yes. Are you referring to how God was initially reluctant to give the Hebrews a king?

Reluctant?

That's the word you are going to use?

Why? Did I do bad?  :-[

Quote
And how well did those Kings work out?

Politically, the first three seemed pretty good. Morally they were all pretty bad (although David repented).

And with the reluctant . . . Ain't you one of the folks around here who believes God doesn't have feelings or thoughts or actions really, like really?

And is like unknowable?

Sorry folks, this might get old, but I will hold you to your words. Since an argument can hang on a single hymn or an icon, or a clip from a Patristic writing, why not a snippet of a posting history?

Sorry William, if I have you wrong. But the name change throws me off a little. And many posters fall into the above category.

I'm just using an anthropomorphism.  ;)

Seriously, though, I haven't really gotten into the impassibility 'controversy' and I don't really care to. It ain't all that important to me.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 26, 2011, 01:02:04 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

What about King David and his descendants?  ???

Ever read that story? Like from the beginning and all that?

Yes. Are you referring to how God was initially reluctant to give the Hebrews a king?

Reluctant?

That's the word you are going to use?

Why? Did I do bad?  :-[

Quote
And how well did those Kings work out?

Politically, the first three seemed pretty good. Morally they were all pretty bad (although David repented).

And with the reluctant . . . Ain't you one of the folks around here who believes God doesn't have feelings or thoughts or actions really, like really?

And is like unknowable?

Sorry folks, this might get old, but I will hold you to your words. Since an argument can hang on a single hymn or an icon, or a clip from a Patristic writing, why not a snippet of a posting history?

Sorry William, if I have you wrong. But the name change throws me off a little. And many posters fall into the above category.

I'm just using an anthropomorphism.  ;)

Seriously, though, I haven't really gotten into the impassibility 'controversy' and I don't really care to. It ain't all that important to me.

You are more sane the rest of us. Pray for me.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 26, 2011, 02:16:42 AM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.  I respect her more than any bogtrotter has any rights to, but even I didn't find it all that crass or insulting.  I'll capitalize "His" when referring to God, or call a Bishop by his title, but is it really necessary for Christians (or Jews in this case) to call a royal by their title?  That's just silly.
And as I've said before it only seems to get everyone's knickers in a twist when it's Mrs. Windsor(*). No one seems to get all hinky if they see "Albert Grimaldi" or "Beatrix van Orange".



(*) or should thayt be "Winds-r"?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 26, 2011, 02:41:01 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
Actually, no, she isn't. It's like saying that Barack Obama is President of North Dakota.
Actually, President Obama IS the President of North Dakota, in that he is President of the United States, of which North Dakota is a member state. ;)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 03:04:41 AM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake. 

If we referred to Misha Denysenko or Igor Kapral or Jimmy Paffhausen, Amby Mooney and Dusty Hudson .... well maybe you and Tallitot would be justified in being blind to the insult.  But civilised people keep to certain standards.... well, I imagine you see the point?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 26, 2011, 03:10:17 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
Actually, no, she isn't. It's like saying that Barack Obama is President of North Dakota.
Actually, President Obama IS the President of North Dakota, in that he is President of the United States, of which North Dakota is a member state. ;)
No, North Dakota doesn't have a president, it has a governor. The union of the 50 states (the USA) has a president.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 26, 2011, 03:13:33 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Just remember that regardless of how ridiculous you find the idea of a hereditary head of state to be, Queen Elizabeth is still the Queen of England. ;)
Actually, no, she isn't. It's like saying that Barack Obama is President of North Dakota.
Actually, President Obama IS the President of North Dakota, in that he is President of the United States, of which North Dakota is a member state. ;)
No, North Dakota doesn't have a president, it has a governor. The union of the 50 states (the USA) has a president.
Picky, picky, picky. If North Dakota doesn't want a President, they can secede from the Union. ;)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 03:28:42 AM
Her Majesty The Queen's Christmas Message 2011

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Eq5sXh_Lo&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Re the "parasitic" comment from Augustine... here is a comment on the video page......

I hate it when people say that the Royals are a waste of the taxpayers money. Do people even read into the facts and figures before making such comments? The Royals cost the tax payer around 40 million pounds per year. In return, the Royals give all the profits from their lands to the government, which is around 200 million pounds per year. So in effect, the Royals make the UK a profit, which means your taxes are lower than they would be without the monarchy. That's before tourist money too.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: SubdeaconDavid on December 26, 2011, 08:02:10 AM
Philip Mountbatten, husband of Elizabeth Windsor was hospitalized for cardiac issues:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779248/ns/today-today_people/#.TvUIlTU7U1I
To those of us who are subjects of Her Majesty the Queen, whether here in Australia or in New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Canada, the Falkland islands etc or even dear old Great Britain, your comments are deeply offensive, verging on traitorous. Here in Australia we Orthodox continue to pray for the Sovereign and by extension for HRH Prince Phillip.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: SubdeaconDavid on December 26, 2011, 08:12:22 AM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.

No it is NOT Her Majesty's name because it is NEVER appropriate to refer to Her Majesty using the surname Windsor.

Correct reference to Her  strictly should be in Latin:: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor or in English: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.  of course HM has appropriate titles for Her other dominions.



Fixed quote tags  -PtA
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: podkarpatska on December 26, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.  I respect her more than any bogtrotter has any rights to, but even I didn't find it all that crass or insulting.  I'll capitalize "His" when referring to God, or call a Bishop by his title, but is it really necessary for Christians (or Jews in this case) to call a royal by their title?  That's just silly.

I don't know. i am not a royalist, i agree that a hereditary system is a vestigial left-over from older times, but... The countries which maintain royals as ceremonial heads of state made those choices. Civil norms call for one to call a Bill Smith or Jane Jones by a title if they are elected to a civil office. It is proper to call one Judge Jones or Senator Smith, even after their term of office expires (as long as they were not removed by crimes etc...)

I don't like it when my fellow citizens show disrespect for an office by not referring to their president as President Doe rather than that as 'darn jerk Doe' - an all too common occurence today - regardless of partisan affiliation.

I would be mildly offended if an unrepentant royalist "dissed" the head of state of a republic by refusing to acknowledge his or her honorific title.

We owe our British, Swedish, Japanese etc... friends the same courtesy.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: vamrat on December 26, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.

No it is NOT Her Majesty's name because it is NEVER appropriate to refer to Her Majesty using the surname Windsor.

Correct reference to Her  strictly should be in Latin:: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor or in English: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.  of course HM has appropriate titles for Her other dominions.



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Well, I guess I just don't understand.  I will give respect to (our) religious leaders, Saints, and to God, but I take the "trust ye not in princes, in the sons of men" thing seriously and don't see any reason to show the same deference to a Queen, Emperor, Count, Baron, Shogun, Kniaz, or whatever as I do to God or one of His Saints.

Perhaps it's cultural as well.  I noticed in her full title a chunk of land between the St. Lawrence and the Gulf of Mexico was missing.  I would be interested to see how Irishmen from the Free State, Afrikaners, and Indians might feel on this matter.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Marc1152 on December 26, 2011, 02:25:46 PM
Wasn't Prince Harry referred to as "Harry Wales" or "Cadet Wales" when he was at Sandhurst and then in the Army Tank Corp?

He didn't go by Windsor...

Very confusing.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Cavaradossi on December 26, 2011, 03:56:55 PM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.

No it is NOT Her Majesty's name because it is NEVER appropriate to refer to Her Majesty using the surname Windsor.

Correct reference to Her  strictly should be in Latin:: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor or in English: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.  of course HM has appropriate titles for Her other dominions.



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Do you call her that during the liturgy?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 04:10:47 PM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.

No it is NOT Her Majesty's name because it is NEVER appropriate to refer to Her Majesty using the surname Windsor.

Correct reference to Her  strictly should be in Latin:: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor or in English: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.  of course HM has appropriate titles for Her other dominions.



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Do you call her that during the liturgy?

The formula used in our parish has been "For our God-fearing Queen Elizabeth the Second and for all the Royal household....."  This came in several decades ago when the Diocese had a debate about commemorating her and it was decided to do so, following the requirement of Saint Paul to pray for our rulers.

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Schultz on December 26, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
Wasn't Prince Harry referred to as "Harry Wales" or "Cadet Wales" when he was at Sandhurst and then in the Army Tank Corp?

He didn't go by Windsor...

Very confusing.

Not really once you understand how the English nobility often adopt the surname of the seat they are lord or lady of.  A quick and dirty explanation is at Yahoo Answers! : Why are Harry and William know as Wales? (http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070615001344AAycXpb)

As to the title of this thread, Tallitot could have knowingly avoided any and all controversy AND kept his conscience clean by titling it, "The Queen of England's husband is in hospital."  The fact that he did not choose that or some similar neutral term shows that he was being deliberately provocative and should, therefore, be able to take what the royalist types among us dish out.

Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: podkarpatska on December 26, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
Wasn't Prince Harry referred to as "Harry Wales" or "Cadet Wales" when he was at Sandhurst and then in the Army Tank Corp?

He didn't go by Windsor...

Very confusing.

Not really once you understand how the English nobility often adopt the surname of the seat they are lord or lady of.  A quick and dirty explanation is at Yahoo Answers! : Why are Harry and William know as Wales? (http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070615001344AAycXpb)

As to the title of this thread, Tallitot could have knowingly avoided any and all controversy AND kept his conscience clean by titling it, "The Queen of England's husband is in hospital."  The fact that he did not choose that or some similar neutral term shows that he was being deliberately provocative and should, therefore, be able to take what the royalist types among us dish out.

Happy Christmas.

and Boxing Day!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
B U M P !

Tallitot, just bumping this in the hope you will find time for the questions
.


No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

To try and retrieve this thread from lunacy and queen bashing, maybe you could explain why you find the idea of an hereditary head of state ridiculous.

What system do you advocate?  What countries exemplify it?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 04:59:07 PM
Wasn't Prince Harry referred to as "Harry Wales" or "Cadet Wales" when he was at Sandhurst and then in the Army Tank Corp?

He didn't go by Windsor...

Very confusing.

Not really once you understand how the English nobility often adopt the surname of the seat they are lord or lady of.  A quick and dirty explanation is at Yahoo Answers! : Why are Harry and William know as Wales? (http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070615001344AAycXpb)

As to the title of this thread, Tallitot could have knowingly avoided any and all controversy AND kept his conscience clean by titling it, "The Queen of England's husband is in hospital."  The fact that he did not choose that or some similar neutral term shows that he was being deliberately provocative and should, therefore, be able to take what the royalist types among us dish out.

Happy Christmas.

Tallitot seems to want to use the illness of the Duke to make some kind of political statement.  But so far he has not given us any coherent statement.  We have no idea why a monarchy offends him.  We have no idea what political system he prefers in its stead.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on December 26, 2011, 06:05:17 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.

Any thoughts on the God-King of Tibet?   Now there's a very unique way of securing a stable political succession.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LizaSymonenko on December 26, 2011, 06:45:03 PM

So, if one were against the hereditary state of royalty....what of one's own heredity?

Does not a Jew define Jewishness through their parents?  Mother's side, no?

What of the big deal made of Abraham having his own son of Sarah?  Might heredity come in to play there?

Remember, God is still in charge of who gets born when and where and into which of life's situations.

If he places a child in a royal family, He must have a plan for them there.

Who are you or I to second guess God and the choices He has made?

Besides, there will always be people who are richer than you are, have better jobs, drive better cars, have yachts, party in Monaco, etc.

We are planted where we are planted.  We are to flourish and grow as tall and strong and produce as much good fruit as we can in the soil that God has planted us in.

 

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 26, 2011, 06:56:53 PM
Wow. This thread is becoming a gold mine.

Tallitot can sure twist all your knickers or whatever ridiculous word you call them.

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Schultz on December 26, 2011, 06:59:16 PM
for the record, I don't care if Tallitot is a bomb wielding anarchist hell bent on assassinating each and every hereditary monarch on the planet in the name of removing the concept of monarchsim.

I'm just offended by the "Who? Li'l ol' ME?!" tactics he repeatedly employs in his hit and run political statements out in the public fora. 
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LizaSymonenko on December 26, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
Wow. This thread is becoming a gold mine.

Tallitot can sure twist all your knickers or whatever ridiculous word you call them.



Nothing of mine is twisted (and I won't use the word in polite company. ;) ). 

I don't rely on any royal family.

However, I would just like to clarify the whole "heredity" issue he has.  Is it just with royalty or heredity in general?

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: orthonorm on December 26, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
for the record, I don't care if Tallitot is a bomb wielding anarchist hell bent on assassinating each and every hereditary monarch on the planet in the name of removing the concept of monarchsim.

I'm just offended by the "Who? Li'l ol' ME?!" tactics he repeatedly employs in his hit and run political statements out in the public fora.  

What I can't never find enough laughter in his the four(?) times over seemingly contradictory identity.

When he topped it off by eschewing the extravagance of monarchy in all its forms, it was a clincher.

Tallitot might truly be a singular creature.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Tallitot on December 26, 2011, 07:34:33 PM
for the record, I don't care if Tallitot is a bomb wielding anarchist hell bent on assassinating each and every hereditary monarch on the planet in the name of removing the concept of monarchsim.

I'm just offended by the "Who? Li'l ol' ME?!" tactics he repeatedly employs in his hit and run political statements out in the public fora.  

What I can't never find enough laughter in his the four(?) times over seemingly contradictory identity.

When he topped it off by eschewing the extravagance of monarchy in all its forms, it was a clincher.

Tallitot might truly be a singular creature.
True praise indeed, I am humbled sir.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 26, 2011, 07:49:53 PM
I believe in a hereditary monarchy. Jesus Christ is the Son (well, great great great ... grandson) of David and therefore heir to the throne of Israel. Not only that, He has claimed the throne of His forefathers. ;D
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LizaSymonenko on December 26, 2011, 07:53:39 PM

^ Exactly!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: SubdeaconDavid on December 26, 2011, 10:02:20 PM
I'm going to have to stand up for Talliot here.  Was he really insulting Queen Elizabeth by calling her Elizabeth Windsor?  It's her name for Pete's sake.

No it is NOT Her Majesty's name because it is NEVER appropriate to refer to Her Majesty using the surname Windsor.

Correct reference to Her  strictly should be in Latin:: Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Britanniarum Regnorumque Suorum Ceterorum Regina, Consortionis Populorum Princeps, Fidei Defensor or in English: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.  of course HM has appropriate titles for Her other dominions.



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Do you call her that during the liturgy?

In the litanies Her Majesty is prayed for thus:
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Ее Величества Королевы Елизаветы IIe

or in English as
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Our Sovereign, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth

In the Great Entrance I think it is the same.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: biro on January 01, 2012, 06:01:57 PM
Update: Prince Philip seems to be doing better. He made it to church today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16376986
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Antonis on January 10, 2012, 12:21:24 AM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Solomon and David do not approve.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: primuspilus on January 10, 2012, 12:07:26 PM
No it's proof of how ridiculous I find the idea of a hereditary head of state.
Solomon and David do not approve.
God does too actually...something about the seed of David....hrm, I cant remember where I heard that......

PP
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Marc1152 on January 10, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
FYI:
The position of Head of State is purely ceremonial. They attend funerals and launch ships etc.
In many places the Head of the Government and the Head of State are two different people.

In the USA the function of Head of State and Head of the Government is combined and performed by the President and often Head of State duties are passed off to the Vice President.

So it makes no difference what so ever if the King or Queen is the Head of State, none what so ever, except that they are pretty good at it.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on January 10, 2012, 03:42:47 PM
FYI:
The position of Head of State is purely ceremonial.

So it makes no difference what so ever if the King or Queen is the Head of State, none what so ever,

Hmm... tell that to Gough Whitlam, the Prime Minister of Australia.  Removed from office.


Also the bishops of the Church of England...... appointed when approved by Her Majesty.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: James2 on January 10, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: biro on January 10, 2012, 04:54:07 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: primuspilus on January 10, 2012, 05:01:29 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?
The real king of England:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpg/220px-Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpgPP)
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on January 10, 2012, 05:01:43 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?

Good question!   By an act of rebellion the American settlers usurped the authority of the monarchy.   Who is now the legitimate authority?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: primuspilus on January 10, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?
The real king of England:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpg/220px-Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpgPP)
Sry, could not edit. He is the heir of Stuart....no im not a jacobite.

PP
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: James2 on January 10, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?
The real king of England:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz,_Duke_of_Bavaria)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpg/220px-Prinz_franz_von_bayern.jpgPP)
Sry, could not edit. He is the heir of Stuart....no im not a jacobite.

PP

Well, if one wants to have hereditary succession and let God "choose" the king, then there should be no Parliamentary interference in the succession.  When the Act of Settlement was passed in 1701, there were about 50 people excluded due to their adherence to Roman Catholicism.  Their descendants must number in the hundreds by now, and they all have a better claim than Elizabeth Wettin.  The irony is that Parliament has recently decreed that Catholicism is no longer an impediment to the succession, but there ain't no grandfather clause for those who have been passed over.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: GiC on January 10, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
I prefer to refer to her as Elizabeth Wettin, descendant of Hanoverian usurpers.

Interesting... who, then, is the legitimate royal family?

Good question!   By an act of rebellion the American settlers usurped the authority of the monarchy.   Who is now the legitimate authority?

Well those who usurped it, of course, namely the people. That's kinda how authority works, you only have it so long as you can exercise it.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LBK on January 11, 2012, 07:49:45 PM
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Hmm... tell that to Gough Whitlam, the Prime Minister of Australia.  Removed from office.

A clarification: Gough Whitlam was Prime Minister from 1972-75. He and his government were indeed dismissed from office on the orders of the Governor-General (the Queen's representative/viceroy) on November 11, 1975.

http://whitlamdismissal.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Shanghaiski on January 11, 2012, 10:34:48 PM
With regard to Stewarts, Prince William, through his mother, is the first heir to the throne to have succession from them. He also has succession from the early Anglo-Saxons and several Byzantine royal families as well as St. Vladimir of Kiev, IIRC.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LBK on January 11, 2012, 10:52:51 PM
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With regard to Stewarts,

The Scottish royal house you refer to are the Stuarts.  :police:

As to Russian and Byzantine lines to the House of Windsor, Queen Victoria and Kaiser Wilhelm were known in their day as the Grandmother and Grandfather of Europe, by virtue of the many children they produced (not together, of course!) being married off to practically every royal house in existence at the time. They were, themselves, carrying on a long historic tradition. Look at any European/Scandinavian/Russian/Slavic blueblood's ancestry, and it's almost incestuous, because of the imperative that noble blood does not marry outside its parameters. At last, these days, there are far more instances of royals marrying commoners, with the imprimatur of their families, notably Crown Prince Frederick and Mary Donaldson, and HRH William and Catherine Middleton.

The post-independence Greek royal lineage started off as Bavarian, then Danish. These strands, in essence, explain how Prince Philip got his nickname of Phil the Greek, which he hates.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Shanghaiski on January 11, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
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With regard to Stewarts,

The Scottish royal house you refer to are the Stuarts.  :police:

As to Russian and Byzantine lines to the House of Windsor, Queen Victoria and Kaiser Wilhelm were known in their day as the Grandmother and Grandfather of Europe, by virtue of the many children they produced (not together, of course!) being married off to practically every royal house in existence at the time. They were, themselves, carrying on a long historic tradition. Look at any European/Scandinavian/Russian/Slavic blueblood's ancestry, and it's almost incestuous, because of the imperative that noble blood does not marry outside its parameters. At last, these days, there are far more instances of royals marrying commoners, with the imprimatur of their families, notably Crown Prince Frederick and Mary Donaldson, and HRH William and Catherine Middleton.

The post-independence Greek royal lineage started off as Bavarian, then Danish. These strands, in essence, explain how Prince Philip got his nickname of Phil the Greek, which he hates.

Stuart if the Frenchified version, I thought, and Stewart is the English/Scots version.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Hamartolos on January 11, 2012, 11:31:15 PM
I'm really surprised at the heated feelings over Elizabeth II.  Personally, I admire her personal character as well as what she has done for her nation.  Her children, however, I have no respect for and am curious to see the U.K's reaction to the day Charles becomes King.  I would never want to pay for people to live comfortably for no real reason; but the British don't seem to mind so more power to them!
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: LBK on January 11, 2012, 11:40:11 PM
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and am curious to see the U.K's reaction to the day Charles becomes King.

IF he ever becomes King. Many say that either the British monarchy will be abolished once HM Elizabeth dies, or that its only hope for survival is if HRH Charles relinquishes his claim to the throne in favor of Prince William. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Hamartolos on January 11, 2012, 11:54:49 PM
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and am curious to see the U.K's reaction to the day Charles becomes King.

IF he ever becomes King. Many say that either the British monarchy will be abolished once HM Elizabeth dies, or that its only hope for survival is if HRH Charles relinquishes his claim to the throne in favor of Prince William. Only time will tell.

Agreed.  As an American, the traditions and ceremonies of the British monarchy are fascinating to both me and millions of American citizens.  It will be amazing to see a coronation since the last one was nearly 60 years ago.  People who despise the monarchy still respect Queen Elizabeth, I doubt you will see any type of respect being shown to Charles; ever.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on January 11, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
Here is the Coronation Service for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/coronation/cor1953b.html

It is extremely beautiful and could easily be Orthodox.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Hamartolos on January 12, 2012, 12:06:03 AM
I've seen clips of it on youtube before but of course the picture quality is not that good being it was in 1953.  It is remarkable to see such pageantry and ceremony carried out in such manner.   
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Shanghaiski on January 12, 2012, 06:22:43 PM
Here is the Coronation Service for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/coronation/cor1953b.html

It is extremely beautiful and could easily be Orthodox.


Wasn't the service of coronation for English monarchs written by St. Dunstan?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Irish Hermit on January 12, 2012, 06:40:19 PM
Here is the Coronation Service for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

http://www.oremus.org/liturgy/coronation/cor1953b.html

It is extremely beautiful and could easily be Orthodox.


Wasn't the service of coronation for English monarchs written by St. Dunstan?

“He became Bishop of Worcester and then Bishop of London. King Edgar made Dunstan the 25th Archbishop of Canterbury in 959. The restoration of monastic life, which had fallen into disarray in the previous century, was almost wholly Dunstan’s work. He founded over forty new monasteries, including the great abbeys of Peterborough, Ely, and Thorney. The earliest complete coronation text for an English monarch was compiled by Dunstan for King Edgar and became the model for future coronations, putting emphasis on the bond between church and monarch thus making the coronation a sacred act. Dunstan’s coronation ceremony still forms the basis of royal coronations today. It is said that he also designed the royal coronation crown.

“When he died in 988, Dunstan was buried at Canterbury Cathedral next to the high altar.”

http://www.saintdunstanschurch.org/nuts-bolts/who-was-saint-dunstan-what-are-episcopalians/

(http://www.saintdunstanschurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dunstan.jpg)

Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Marc1152 on January 16, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
FYI:
The position of Head of State is purely ceremonial.

So it makes no difference what so ever if the King or Queen is the Head of State, none what so ever,

Hmm... tell that to Gough Whitlam, the Prime Minister of Australia.  Removed from office.


Also the bishops of the Church of England...... appointed when approved by Her Majesty.

Do you really think the Monarch still makes governmental decisions or are they made for her and by Tradition they carry her name.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Windsor's husband hospitalized
Post by: Marc1152 on January 16, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
With regard to Stewarts, Prince William, through his mother, is the first heir to the throne to have succession from them. He also has succession from the early Anglo-Saxons and several Byzantine royal families as well as St. Vladimir of Kiev, IIRC.

My wife is a Stewart. We went to Burns Night at a local Scottish Pub ( They read Robert Burns poems and eat haggis etc.). Each table had someone stand and say which clan they belonged to, Hey, Campbell, MacGregor, MacDonald...And then she stood up and said ........."Stewart"

It was cool