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Title: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: biro on November 15, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
I have a question about the Sign of the Cross the priest makes with the chalices, at the end of the Great Entrance. When this is done, should the people in the congregation  1) make the Sign of the Cross  2) bow  3) both? Any of them? None?  ???

Thank you for any help.  :)
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: Marc1152 on November 15, 2011, 12:05:45 AM
I have a question about the Sign of the Cross the priest makes with the chalices, at the end of the Great Entrance. When this is done, should the people in the congregation  1) make the Sign of the Cross  2) bow  3) both? Any of them? None?  ???

Thank you for any help.  :)

2. Bow

final answer
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: arimethea on November 15, 2011, 12:24:13 AM
I have a question about the Sign of the Cross the priest makes with the chalices, at the end of the Great Entrance. When this is done, should the people in the congregation  1) make the Sign of the Cross  2) bow  3) both? Any of them? None?  ???

Thank you for any help.  :)

2. Bow

final answer

And the only correct answer.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: Fr. George on November 15, 2011, 12:28:01 AM
I have a question about the Sign of the Cross the priest makes with the chalices, at the end of the Great Entrance. When this is done, should the people in the congregation  1) make the Sign of the Cross  2) bow  3) both? Any of them? None?  ???

Thank you for any help.  :)

2. Bow

final answer

And the only correct answer.

Amen.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: biro on November 15, 2011, 02:41:39 AM
Thanks.   :)
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: mike on December 04, 2011, 08:26:53 AM
What to do when the deacon blesses with diskos, the priest - with chalice, and rest of the priests - with crosses?
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: arimethea on December 04, 2011, 09:33:49 AM
What to do when the deacon blesses with diskos, the priest - with chalice, and rest of the priests - with crosses?

Ignore the Deacon and the other priest because they should not be blessing.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: William on December 04, 2011, 02:15:42 PM
Is it true that at any point during the Liturgy when the priest blesses you should only bow and not cross yourself?
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: ilyazhito on December 04, 2011, 02:46:43 PM
Yes, but here is an exception: At the dismissal, you may make the sign of the Cross.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: mike on December 04, 2011, 03:22:37 PM
What to do when the deacon blesses with diskos, the priest - with chalice, and rest of the priests - with crosses?

Ignore the Deacon and the other priest because they should not be blessing.

Could you write a bit more?
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: orthonorm on December 04, 2011, 04:05:41 PM
Is it true that at any point during the Liturgy when the priest blesses you should only bow and not cross yourself?

Is is he blessing you with something worthy of veneration? Then cross and bow.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on December 04, 2011, 04:31:05 PM
Is it true that at any point during the Liturgy when the priest blesses you should only bow and not cross yourself?

Is is he blessing you with something worthy of veneration? Then cross and bow.

YES. If being blessed by an object like a cross or the chalice, then crossing oneself is appropriate. If only by the priest's hand, then simply a bow. This is a way that we distinguish between holy things and persons.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: mike on December 04, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
Is it true that at any point during the Liturgy when the priest blesses you should only bow and not cross yourself?

Is is he blessing you with something worthy of veneration? Then cross and bow.

YES. If being blessed by an object like a cross or the chalice, then crossing oneself is appropriate. If only by the priest's hand, then simply a bow. This is a way that we distinguish between holy things and persons.

I was taught that this is a rule unless there is a moment when the Eucharist is transformed back to the sacrifice table.

On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: orthonorm on December 04, 2011, 05:54:35 PM
This is a good place to start. But when in Rome . . .

http://www.stmaryofegypt.org/devotion/howoneshouldpray.htm

This is sensible and coherent. Reduce as needed to how your parish behaves and the Priest would wish the parish to be.

Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on December 04, 2011, 06:12:46 PM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: podkarpatska on December 05, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

Or perhaps...just perhaps...certain external  ritual formulations developed and/or evolved independently of each other during the centuries following the decline and fall of the Byzantine Empire due to distance and lack of contact, thus accounting for differences within the Orthodox world ?  ;)
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: mike on December 05, 2011, 09:40:57 AM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

Or perhaps...just perhaps...certain external  ritual formulations developed and/or evolved independently of each other during the centuries following the decline and fall of the Byzantine Empire due to distance and lack of contact, thus accounting for differences within the Orthodox world ?  ;)

I suppose that was a joke.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: podkarpatska on December 05, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

Or perhaps...just perhaps...certain external  ritual formulations developed and/or evolved independently of each other during the centuries following the decline and fall of the Byzantine Empire due to distance and lack of contact, thus accounting for differences within the Orthodox world ?  ;)

I suppose that was a joke.

I got it, but there are those who seriously postulate upon such things!  :D
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: akimori makoto on December 05, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

Yes, but we have better phelonia.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: username! on December 05, 2011, 08:59:03 PM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

This is how topics get off topic.  I'm more used to a more reserved congregation rather than the ones that do so many half prostrations in front of an icon they look like they are getting ready to take a dive in the olympics.
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: username! on December 05, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
While we're off topic, I'm not sure I like the Catholic tradition in some Slavic circles of blessing every object that is to be used remotely for a religious purpose. 
Examples;
Cars
prayer ropes
prayer cards
books
etc....
Title: Re: Question about the end of the Great Entrance
Post by: mildert on December 06, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
On the other hand our Greeks say otherwise.

That is because the Greeks lack the stern ritual purity of the Slavs.

Yes, but we have better phelonia.

Most Greek Phenolia that I have been very plain.  However I have seen very beautiful embroidery on Russian one's.  The problem with Russian one's is that they need to be made to fit the Priest - if they are too big or small it is very obvious.

Deacon Philip