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Title: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 08:52:32 PM
I am starting this thread on the persecution of Copts in Egypt, partly to raise awareness of the horrific situation over there, and also to remind us to keep them in our prayers.  I am going to make this a sticky and I encourage people to post links to articles on the situation as often as they come up.

I ask that everyone abide by forum rules and avoid posting bare links.  Also, please do not copy and paste an entire article.  Please paste a couple paragraphs to accompany the link.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 08:58:03 PM
From today:

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Massive clashes that drew in Christians angry over a recent church attack, Muslims, and Egyptian security forces raged over a large section of downtown Cairo Sunday night, leaving at least 19 people dead and more than 150 injured, Health Ministry officials said. It was the worst violence since the 18-day uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak in February.

...

The Christian protesters said their demonstration began as a peaceful attempt to sit in at the television building. But then, they said they came under attack by thugs in plainclothes who rained stones down on them and fired pellets.

"The protest was peaceful. We wanted to hold a sit-in, as usual," said Essam Khalili, a protester wearing a white shirt with a cross drawn on it. "Thugs attacked us and a military vehicle jumped over a sidewalk and ran over at least 10 people. I saw them."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111009/D9Q900380.html


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Hiwot on October 09, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
Selam to you dear Salpy

This is a wonderful idea! God bless you for doing this for the reasons you already mentioned. Things are getting worse and our beloved Copts are as ever witnessing with their blood the truth of our faith, let us join them in this great blessing in our prayers for them. Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
From last month:

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Christians in the Upper Egyptian village of Elmarinab in Edfu, Aswan province, have been forbidden to leave their homes or buy food until they remove the dome of St. George's Church, which was rebuilt in its previous location. Village Muslims, backed by Muslim Salafists from neighboring villages, have threatened to demolish the church on Friday September 9 after prayers and use it as a mosque.

Despite the presence of security forces, Muslims have blocked the roads to the village, refusing passage of any Christians under any circumstance.

Yesterday the military governor in Aswan was contacted as Christians were starving in their homes. Security officers were sent and accompanied two Christian youths to buy food for the villagers. Muslims at the entrance of the village tried to stop the two security cars. "Failing that they threatened that this would be the last time," said one villager. "It was heart-breaking to see the elderly running with the children to get a loaf of bread."

http://www.aina.org/news/20110908193725.htm



From October 1:

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After Friday prayers today, a mob of several thousand Muslims from the village of Elmarinab in Edfu, Aswan province, demolished and torched St. George's church, which was being renovated. The mob demolished the dome, walls and columns, then went to the church depot where the lumber to be used for construction was stored and torched it. The fire lasted 2 hours but the attack continued until 7 PM.

In an interview on Coptic TV channel, Father Salib of St. George's Church said "the Imam of one of the village mosques called on the people to take matter in their own hands, he added. Other witnesses named the Imam as Sheikh Sabry.

According to eyewitnesses the Muslims also torched a large depot of electrical goods owned by a Copt, a supermarket and four Coptic homes. Muslims prevented the fire brigade from entering the village. Security forces, which were present, "stood there watching," said Mr.Michael Ramzy, a social worker at the church.

http://www.aina.org/news/20110930204413.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 09:07:29 PM
Selam to you dear Salpy

This is a wonderful idea! God bless you for doing this for the reasons you already mentioned. Things are getting worse and our beloved Copts are as ever witnessing with their blood the truth of our faith, let us join them in this great blessing in our prayers for them. Lord have mercy!

Thank you, Hiwot.  I really want to raise awareness of this persecution, since it has reached such a critical point and the world seems to be looking the other way.

I really do encourage everyone to post about any news that comes up about the situation over there.  I look forward to the day when this thread will no longer be necessary and the Copts are living in peace.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 09:12:01 PM
Here is a recent story about one very courageous girl who stood up for her faith:

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On her first day to school, 15-year-old Christian student Ferial Habib was stopped at the doorstep of her new high school with clear instructions: either put on a headscarf or no school this year.

Habib refused. While most Muslim women in Egypt wear the headscarf, Christians do not, and the move by administrators to force a Christian student to don it was unprecedented. For the next two weeks, Habib reported to school in the southern Egyptian village of Sheik Fadl every day in her uniform, without the head covering, only to be turned back by teachers.

One day, Habib heard the school loudspeakers echoing her name and teachers with megaphones leading a number of students in chants of “We don’t want Ferial here,” the teenager told The Associated Press.

http://www.peopleunlikeus.com/?p=18087&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=egyptian-arab-spring-brings-overt-discrimination-directed-toward-coptic-christians
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 09, 2011, 09:17:23 PM
Coptic girls are especially at risk, as abductions, forced conversions, and forced marriages are on the rise:

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Ten years ago, I was in Egypt interviewing Coptic Christians who described how persecution by Muslims had become a way of life for them. The situation is worse now because of increased abductions of Coptic girls, who are forced into a sham marriage with a Muslim, raped, forced to convert to Islam and separated for good from their families.

These are girls as young as 12 who are being grabbed off Egyptian streets. Photos are taken while the girl is being raped to blackmail her into converting, says Mary Abdelmassih, a Coptic activist.

“She’s told the pictures will go to her family,” she told me. “They’d rather die than have that happen.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/07/duin-coptic-girls-being-abducted/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 10, 2011, 01:55:31 AM
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5474/copticmartyrsjpeg.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/copticmartyrsjpeg.png/)

‎60 Minutes did a segment Sunday night on the current state of affairs in Egypt. Lots about the "Arab Spring," but only one mention of a Coptic Christian being killed. The martyrdom and persecution of Coptic Christians apparrently isn't as fashionable to cover as secular revolutions. 60 Minutes didn't bother to show us images like this. Let us pray for our Orthodox brothers and sisters in Egypt.


"Lord have mercy."


(If the image above is in violation of forum rules, please remove it.)

Selam
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on October 10, 2011, 02:48:51 AM
Yes, Gebre...Ahram's coverage (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/23714/Egypt/Politics-/Coptic-march-turns-violent.aspx) has actually been much more honest and serious than any Western source. (Other stories update the number of dead to 19, by the way. Lord have mercy.)

There has already begun a Protest in Tahrir square against the violence of the previous day's events (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/23724/Egypt/Politics-/Protest-erupts-in-Tahrir-Square-against-violence-u.aspx).
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 10, 2011, 05:48:46 AM
thanks for your prayers for our church, and may God give courage to all Christians who suffer.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Lizzie on October 10, 2011, 09:02:21 AM
Due to increasing violence in Egypt against the Coptic population, who have been suffering ongoing persecution for many years, today, the Coptic church has declared three days of fasting & prayer, beginning tomorrow, Tuesday 11th October 2011.

Please join with us in lifting up our hearts to God.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 10, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
What I saw this weekend I can never forget.

I ask...no, I beg all US Citizen on this forum to write his/her Congressional Representative and urge them to cut ALL military aid to Egypt. Those tanks used to mow down innocent people and those bullets fired at innocent people were paid for by US tax dollars.

I also beg that you don't make this a secterian issue as this will only help accomplish what SCAF & the Islamists are trying to do. There were many good and decent Muslims protesting alongside Copts that were also killed and injured.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 10, 2011, 10:32:21 AM
A firsthand account: Marching from Shubra to deaths at Maspiro

"And then it happened: an APC mounted the island in the middle of the road, like a maddened animal on a rampage. I saw a group of people disappear, sucked underneath it. It drove over them. I wasn’t able to see what happened to them because it then started coming in my direction."

"The Coptic Hospital tried its best to deal with the sudden influx of casualties. Its floors were sticky with blood and there was barely room to move among the wounded, the worried and the inconsolable."


Http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/503496
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 10, 2011, 09:54:17 PM
I also beg that you don't make this a secterian issue as this will only help accomplish what SCAF & the Islamists are trying to do.

That's important to remember.

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There were many good and decent Muslims protesting alongside Copts that were also killed and injured.

I've been seeing that in the articles I've been reading on the incident.  This reminds me of last January, when Muslims protested alongside Christians against the church bombing on New Year's Eve.  I guess we have to remember not to lump all Muslims together and to be aware that in Egypt there are many Muslims who believe in freedom of religion.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: sainthieu on October 10, 2011, 10:14:27 PM
BISHOP DAVID (http://betterlifeforegypt.wordpress.com/): We will not be silent!

"In a powerful message from Bishop David, streamed on CopticWorld, he fired back at the Egyptian government for the events in Egypt that claimed the lives of at least 24 youth and injured at least 280 others.

"God will interfere when its the right time. His answer will be a powerful answer", the Bishop re-assured his audience.  "We are a peaceful people, we don't attack, we don't shout, we pray." His Grace also said, "We call on everyone to speak up and witness to the truth. We have to have one united voice from all people who love the truth whether they are Coptic or non-Coptic, Christian or non-Christians. We are not going to be silenced!

He urged fasting and prayer for the next three days.In a powerful message from Bishop David, streamed on CopticWorld, he fired back at the Egyptian government for the events in Egypt that claimed the lives of at least 24 youth and injured at least 280 others.

"God will interfere when its the right time. His answer will be a powerful answer", the Bishop re-assured his audience.  "We are a peaceful people, we don't attack, we don't shout, we pray." His Grace also said, "We call on everyone to speak up and witness to the truth. We have to have one united voice from all people who love the truth whether they are Coptic or non-Coptic, Christian or non-Christians. We are not going to be silenced!

He urged fasting and prayer for the next three days.

He also urged all Coptic Christians in the world to join CopticWorld in order to facilitate dissemination of information and breaking news from the leaders of the church. "This website will also give us a way to know how many we are and where we are. Please urge all your family and friends to join."

His Grace also urged all to sign a petition at: http://betterlifeforegypt.wordpress.com/"

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Lizzie on October 11, 2011, 05:34:44 AM
A petition has been released to the White House. We need 25,000 signatures. The following are the links to the 2 petitions we need to sign. It only takes 5 minutes - spread the word! This is the least we can do! https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/protect-political-and-religious-rights-egypt/BxTnvvdj
&
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/cut-13b-aid-annually-egypt-unless-they-bring-justice-killers-massacre-coptic-christian/rr471DrY
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: SubdeaconDavid on October 11, 2011, 06:33:32 AM
What I saw this weekend I can never forget.

I ask...no, I beg all US Citizen on this forum to write his/her Congressional Representative and urge them to cut ALL military aid to Egypt. Those tanks used to mow down innocent people and those bullets fired at innocent people were paid for by US tax dollars.

I also beg that you don't make this a secterian issue as this will only help accomplish what SCAF & the Islamists are trying to do. There were many good and decent Muslims protesting alongside Copts that were also killed and injured.
May the Lord guide the hearts of moderate Muslims to share Egypt justly with their Coptic brothers and sisters.  May all Orthodox Christians pray and fast for the Coptic Orthodox faithful of Egypt.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: recent convert on October 11, 2011, 08:10:19 AM
Lord, have mercy! Turn the evil doers from their wickedness and sear their conscience with burning coals to bring them to repentance and that they may know the Lord Jesus Christ before it is too late. May we boldly pray for the Copts' protection and through the intercessions of the Theotokos.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: zekarja on October 11, 2011, 08:20:43 AM
Kyrie, eleison!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 11, 2011, 10:32:48 PM
This is a very good article by the Associated Press, putting this latest event in context:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_CHRISTIANS_UNDER_SIEGE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-10-17-27-48

Among other things, it documents several attacks, including deadly ones, that have been perpetrated against the Copts in the past year.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on October 12, 2011, 12:15:33 AM

I also beg that you don't make this a secterian issue as this will only help accomplish what SCAF & the Islamists are trying to do. There were many good and decent Muslims protesting alongside Copts that were also killed and injured.

We only read this sort of 'politically correct' statements in the MSM. The case is not about the Muslims, it is about the persecuted brothers and sisters of ours. Besides, only a bad Muslim can be a good Muslim.

By the way, Sunday's tragedy is already forgotten by the MSM, as the NEWS-makers prefer dedicating air times to the alleged assassination of the Saudi ambassador in Washington. Well, the life of one Saudi is more precious than 10 million Coptic Christians. They'll pay dearly for that!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on October 12, 2011, 12:49:36 AM
I hope you will all take a moment to watch this video of the beautiful and wise words of Bishop Moussa and Father Tadros Yacob, from the funerals of the Alexandrian martyrs following the bombings in January: Bishop Moussa and Father Tadros Yacoub words in the funeral prayer for Alexandria martyrs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZCmjj8MSTc)

Their words provide a proper perspective befitting this time. God bless and protect our Christian brothers and sisters in Egypt and around the world. Give rest to the souls of the martyrs, and comfort to their families and all who are grieving.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 12, 2011, 09:00:57 AM
We only read this sort of 'politically correct' statements in the MSM. The case is not about the Muslims, it is about the persecuted brothers and sisters of ours. Besides, only a bad Muslim can be a good Muslim.

What are you talking about? So its better to do what, turn against all the Muslims in Egypt and make them all the enemy? No wonder the Copts there want us to stay out of their business. They have to live with the consequences of the likes of your brave, heroic 'non-pc' words.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 12, 2011, 11:38:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkha6kipvI&feature=channel_video_title

if anyone is feeling strong emotionally and wants to know what actually happened then watch this.
may God give peace to all who suffer and fill them with His love and His peace which is beyond understanding.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 12, 2011, 10:05:48 PM
Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church has sent a message of condolences to Pope Shenouda:


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To: His Holiness SHENOUDA III

Pope of Alexandria and

Patriarch of the Throne of St. Mark in All Africa and the Middle East

Your Holiness,

It has deeply grieved me to learn about the new attacks against Christians in Egypt and the bloody clashes in Cairo which have left several scores of people dead and over three hundred of people injured.

The Russian Orthodox Church knows not from hearsay what discrimination and persecution of believers are. The carcases of defiled churches still remaining in our land remind us to this day of the terrible years of persecution. That is why we feel so strongly for the suffering of our brothers in faith in Egypt. At an hour of trial, we turn to Almighty God with prayer asking Him to reinforce the spiritual resources of Egyptian Christians in their efforts to stand for their faith and to preserve their Christian identity.

We have repeatedly called upon all the major world powers and religious leaders to condemn the persecution of Christians and called the Egyptian authorities to do all that is necessary to ensure real freedom of religion and security for all citizens regardless of their religious or ethnic background.

You can read the whole message here:

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/12/news49593/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 12, 2011, 10:14:17 PM
Another statement by HH Kirill on the matter, expressing support for the Copts:


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Patriarch Kirill’s statement on disturbances in Cairo

12.10.2011 · Inter-Christian relations, New documents, Patriarchal Ministry 

In his statement published below, the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church expresses support for the suffering Egyptian Christians.

‘The Russian Orthodox Church has followed the developments in Egypt with concern and bitterness. Blood has been spilt and Christian churches have been destroyed again. There is another manifestation of growing intolerance towards Christians and their legal and physical vulnerability in the Egyptian society.

Our Church knows from her recent history what the suffering of innocent people and destruction of churches are. We raise our voice in defence of our Egyptian brothers in faith and call upon the world community not to be indifferent to this lawlessness. The United Nations and other international organizations and leading world powers capable of influencing the policy of the new authorities in Egypt should unequivocally come out against the persecution of Christians and do everything to help establish interreligious peace and security in the region.

The tragic ordeals the Egyptian Christians are undergoing so courageously are links in the same chain which has already brought out a new and ever growing wave of emigration. Egypt is a country in which the Christian and Muslim communities have lived together for centuries. The aggression against Christians lies on the conscience of destructive radical forces whose motives are not at all religious. We appeal to the leaders of the Islamic world to express a clear condemnation of the violence against Christians, to respect their right to openly confess their faith and to preserve their religious and cultural traditions. At an hour when the very future of Christian-Muslim dialogue is threatened, religious leaders should demonstrate in deed their commitment to peace and mutual understanding.


Read the whole message here:

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/12/news49598/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Pikhristos Aftonf on October 12, 2011, 10:28:17 PM
my respect for Patriarch Kirill increased so much after reading this... i am honoured that he called us his brothers in faith  ;D
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on October 12, 2011, 10:31:58 PM
my respect for Patriarch Kirill increased so much after reading this... i am honoured that he called us his brothers in faith  ;D

Likewise.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Fr.Kyrillos on October 13, 2011, 12:03:38 AM
my respect for Patriarch Kirill increased so much after reading this... i am honoured that he called us his brothers in faith  ;D


Indeed there is a wonderful and beautiful fraternity between Russians and Copts because they both know suffering and persecution.  I experienced this recently among some Russian clergy (even in ROCOR) which made me realize that the "real world" is very different than what is presented often times on internet forums.

Let me share with you a beautiful story from a just a couple of weeks ago.

I was invited along with all my congregation from St. Marina Coptic Orthodox Church (Irvine, CA) to attend a local Serbian Church where the Myrrh-Streaming Icon of Hawaii (which belongs to ROCOR) was visiting.  This was the second time I went due to the wonderful relationship between me and the local Serbian priest.  This time I came with about 125 Copts from my parish after Sunday liturgy.

While we were gathered, Reader Nektarios, the guardian of the icon, related to us Copts the following story with sincere emotion...

When the Holy Theotokos was appearing in Warraq Cairo (Dec. 2009), Reader Nektarios received a phone call from a friend that happened to be visiting Egypt. This friend was among the several thousand people standing outside the Church when the Mother of God appeared.  He called Reader Nektarios in great amazement describing the details of how the Holy Virgin looked and how she smiled at the people (he said the videos don't do any justice to what they saw in person). She was appearing while he was on the phone...He asked Reader Nektarios, "what is the icon doing right now?"  Reader Nektarios responded that the icon stopped streaming!  Then a few moments later, there was great sound from the crowd and Reader Nektarios asked what happened. His friend told him that the Mother of God disappeared. His friend asked a second time what was happening to the icon and Reader Nektarios responded that it began to stream again!  A third roar from the crowd came when the Holy Virgin appeared again, this time on the bell tower (first time was on the dome) and the friend asked a third time about the icon and Reader Nektarios indicated that it stopped streaming!  For Reader Nektarios, it was clear that the moments when the Mother of God was appearing in Egypt, the icon stopped streaming.  He told the story with an obvious great love for the Copts and was certain about how much the Mother of God loves the children of Egypt.

Another great link between the Russians and Copts...I know some will not accept the story or its conclusions, but there it is for you to make what you will of it.

In Christ,
Fr. Kyrillos
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Hiwot on October 13, 2011, 12:09:06 AM
Glory be to God! how wonderful to hear these things Father!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Pikhristos Aftonf on October 13, 2011, 12:12:44 AM
Amen, truly now is the time for all christians to unite and forget our petty differences.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 13, 2011, 08:30:35 AM
Beautiful Story, Abouna.


CYC has several interviews and video footage with English subtitles

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/christianyouthchannel (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#!/christianyouthchannel)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 13, 2011, 08:33:47 AM
Here is the Maronite Patriarch, Mar Bechara Boutros al-Rahi, giving very kind words of condolences and fraternal support. I couldn't find a version with English subtitles, but its worth posting for our Arabic speakers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7eGX45HHo4

He's currently travelling the West, in part, to raise awareness regarding the plight of Christians in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on October 13, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
"Christians are Sons of Dogs" has shouted the fake Egyptian soldier. Everything is the opposite with these ZOMBIES. As an Arabic speaker he was probably articulating DOG as GOD. They surely hate dog and God.

http://tundratabloids.com/2011/10/bbc-video-christians-are-sons-of-dogs.html

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on October 14, 2011, 09:53:27 PM


Fascinating article:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/A-New-Crisis-for-Egypts-Copts.html?c=y&page=1



Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Lizzie on October 14, 2011, 11:00:02 PM
His Grace Bishop Suriel's (Bishop of Melbourne & its affiliated regions, Australia) interview with local news channel:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1595519/Egyptian-Ambassador-should-be-sacked-says-bishop
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on October 14, 2011, 11:26:46 PM
I love, love, love Bishop Suriel. God bless him and all the bishops in the diaspora who have stood with the Copts in Egypt.

I am under HG Bishop Youssef of the Southern U.S. diocese. He has written this on the diocese website: Church Construction and Symbolism Threaten No One (http://www.suscopts.org/resources/literature/876/church-construction-and-symbolism-threaten-no-one-/) (Possibly written before the recent violence, after the crosses on Mar Gerges church in upper Egypt were removed, but the Muslims burnt it down anyway.)

I am not sure about the rules of copying from articles here, but this part gave me pause:

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The Lord Jesus Christ was rejected in His own country, yet He did not accept death at the will of His opposition nor did He allow them to provoke Him, but at the Will of His Father in Heaven only did He accept the fate of earthly death. This is the example we must follow. We must not recklessly abandon the Will of our Father in Heaven and fall into the hands of the opposition; rather we must and should rise above those hands which seek to do us harm.

Amen. Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Fr.Kyrillos on October 15, 2011, 02:37:04 PM
This is a very clear video of one of the military vehicles running over protesters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUwaktM-qjs&feature=player_embedded#!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: peteprint on October 15, 2011, 05:58:52 PM
What I saw this weekend I can never forget.

I ask...no, I beg all US Citizen on this forum to write his/her Congressional Representative and urge them to cut ALL military aid to Egypt. Those tanks used to mow down innocent people and those bullets fired at innocent people were paid for by US tax dollars.

I also beg that you don't make this a secterian issue as this will only help accomplish what SCAF & the Islamists are trying to do. There were many good and decent Muslims protesting alongside Copts that were also killed and injured.

I will do this right now.  God Bless His suffering people in Egypt.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on October 15, 2011, 10:46:31 PM
Good suggestion on the letters. I will do that as well.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: sainthieu on October 15, 2011, 11:25:17 PM
Dutch site:

Maspero survivors finally testify (http://ejbron.wordpress.com/maspero-survivors-finally-testify-army-shot-at-unarmed-demonstrators-without-provocation/): army shot at unarmed demonstrators without provocation

In a large press conference held Thursday afternoon, multiple civilian eyewitnesses recounted to reporters what they saw on the night of 9 October, when a peaceful march of thousands of Coptic and Muslims protesters, which was headed towards the TV headquarters at Maspero near Tahrir square to demand equal rights for Egypt’s 8 million Christians, turned into deadly clashes with the military police, leaving behind 24 protesters dead, 329 injured and a divided and confused public.


Plus:

Excellent Video (http://www.mrctv.org/videos/ezra-recent-attack-copts-oct-11-2011): Ezra Levant Interview on the recent attack on the Copts Oct 11 2011
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 15, 2011, 11:38:51 PM
Good suggestion on the letters. I will do that as well.

There's a couple of things out there I received that could help facilitate this process.  These are the ones I signed to:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/cut-13b-aid-annually-egypt-unless-they-bring-justice-killers-massacre-coptic-christian/rr471DrY

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/protect-political-and-religious-rights-egypt/BxTnvvdj

http://www.petition2congress.com/5297/us-funded-egyptian-military-kills-civilians/

(this last one I like)

And I hate to turn this political, but for any American out there who feels we need to cut spending, this can be part of it.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 16, 2011, 12:00:51 AM
I signed the last one also.  I think it is important especially to reach out to Congress.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 16, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
this one is for the uk:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/equality-and-freedom-from-persecution-for-copts.html
may God guide us and protect all those protesting and praying around the world.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 19, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
There was a peaceful demonstration today in Washington D.C. protesting what happened in Egypt. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/coptic-christians-protest-outside-white-house-against-abuses-in-egypt/2011/10/19/gIQAxRvByL_story.html

I learned on Sunday morning that the Copts in Los Angeles had planned a demonstration outside the Federal Building, but I was not able to go.  I haven't seen anything on the internet about it.

I encourage people to post here about any upcoming demonstrations or events having to do with the situation in Egypt.  It is important to let people know about these events ahead of time, so that as many people as possible can go to them.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on October 19, 2011, 11:26:48 PM
my respect for Patriarch Kirill increased so much after reading this... i am honoured that he called us his brothers in faith  ;D


Indeed there is a wonderful and beautiful fraternity between Russians and Copts because they both know suffering and persecution.  I experienced this recently among some Russian clergy (even in ROCOR) which made me realize that the "real world" is very different than what is presented often times on internet forums.

Let me share with you a beautiful story from a just a couple of weeks ago.

I was invited along with all my congregation from St. Marina Coptic Orthodox Church (Irvine, CA) to attend a local Serbian Church where the Myrrh-Streaming Icon of Hawaii (which belongs to ROCOR) was visiting.  This was the second time I went due to the wonderful relationship between me and the local Serbian priest.  This time I came with about 125 Copts from my parish after Sunday liturgy.

While we were gathered, Reader Nektarios, the guardian of the icon, related to us Copts the following story with sincere emotion...

When the Holy Theotokos was appearing in Warraq Cairo (Dec. 2009), Reader Nektarios received a phone call from a friend that happened to be visiting Egypt. This friend was among the several thousand people standing outside the Church when the Mother of God appeared.  He called Reader Nektarios in great amazement describing the details of how the Holy Virgin looked and how she smiled at the people (he said the videos don't do any justice to what they saw in person). She was appearing while he was on the phone...He asked Reader Nektarios, "what is the icon doing right now?"  Reader Nektarios responded that the icon stopped streaming!  Then a few moments later, there was great sound from the crowd and Reader Nektarios asked what happened. His friend told him that the Mother of God disappeared. His friend asked a second time what was happening to the icon and Reader Nektarios responded that it began to stream again!  A third roar from the crowd came when the Holy Virgin appeared again, this time on the bell tower (first time was on the dome) and the friend asked a third time about the icon and Reader Nektarios indicated that it stopped streaming!  For Reader Nektarios, it was clear that the moments when the Mother of God was appearing in Egypt, the icon stopped streaming.  He told the story with an obvious great love for the Copts and was certain about how much the Mother of God loves the children of Egypt.

Another great link between the Russians and Copts...I know some will not accept the story or its conclusions, but there it is for you to make what you will of it.

In Christ,
Fr. Kyrillos
IIRC, the main altar in the Coptic Patriarchate in 'Abbassiyyah, Cairo was a gift from the Russian Orthodox Church.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 26, 2011, 01:02:19 PM
Viewpoint: Egypt's Copts must not submit to grief
by Yousef Sidhoum, Editor of Al-Watani

excerpt:

"During the uprising, all Egyptians flocked to Tahrir Square calling for reforms to bring social justice, more jobs and the cancellation of forged parliamentary elections. Muslims and Christians were bound by the same challenges and aspirations.

In the square a strong, unprecedented bond of national solidarity was forged. This amazing bond moved the hearts and souls of Egyptians all over the country - little wonder, as previously it had been absent in daily life except when Egypt played in international football matches.

'Discriminatory tide'

As a Coptic Christian, deep down in my heart there lies a wound that does not heal. It has festered over more than three decades as the grievances of Egypt's Copts have mounted.

In the 1970s, our good-natured, amicable Egyptian character began to change. Copts started to feel that they were rejected, marginalised, and denied their full citizenship rights both by the state and their Muslim fellow citizens, merely because of their religious denomination.

A strong wave of fanatic, fundamentalist Islam invaded our country, a vicious, discriminatory tide that flooded state bodies, official establishments and educational institutions and affected Muslim clergy. It resulted in legislative inequalities and selective rules that had an Islamic flavour and meant Copts were treated as second-class citizens"


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15385063
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 26, 2011, 03:27:07 PM
Viewpoint: Egypt's Copts must not submit to grief
by Yousef Sidhoum, Editor of Al-Watani

excerpt:

"During the uprising, all Egyptians flocked to Tahrir Square calling for reforms to bring social justice, more jobs and the cancellation of forged parliamentary elections. Muslims and Christians were bound by the same challenges and aspirations.

In the square a strong, unprecedented bond of national solidarity was forged. This amazing bond moved the hearts and souls of Egyptians all over the country - little wonder, as previously it had been absent in daily life except when Egypt played in international football matches.

'Discriminatory tide'

As a Coptic Christian, deep down in my heart there lies a wound that does not heal. It has festered over more than three decades as the grievances of Egypt's Copts have mounted.

In the 1970s, our good-natured, amicable Egyptian character began to change. Copts started to feel that they were rejected, marginalised, and denied their full citizenship rights both by the state and their Muslim fellow citizens, merely because of their religious denomination.

A strong wave of fanatic, fundamentalist Islam invaded our country, a vicious, discriminatory tide that flooded state bodies, official establishments and educational institutions and affected Muslim clergy. It resulted in legislative inequalities and selective rules that had an Islamic flavour and meant Copts were treated as second-class citizens"


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15385063

I think he makes a very important conclusion...we need to build alliances with moderate and liberal Muslims to put the fundamentalists in check.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 31, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
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(AINA) — Hundreds of Coptic Christians mobilized on Tuesday in front of the Monastery of the Virgin and St. John the Beloved, located on the Desert Road from Cairo to Ismailia. Although the Monastery has the necessary permits, the army had sent a message to the monastery that they would come on the next day, October 25, to demolish its fence, which guards it from unauthorized visits and criminals.

The official website of the Monastery warned of threats of a ” new massacre” by the Egyptian Armed Forces, and the removal of its fence, pointing out that the Monastery was built in 2002 and is under the supervision of the secretariat of H.H. Pope Shenouda.

When the Army vehicles with demolishing equipment arrived at the monastery, they were met by priests, monks, deacons and Copts all dressed up in white for mass, holding wooden crosses, praying and singing hymns.



http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2011/10/coptic-christians-protect-monastery-from-egyptian-army-assault/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Pikhristos Aftonf on October 31, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
The Coptic Orthodox church's Diocese in Melbourne, led by HG bishop Suriel are organising a Vigil in Federation square on the 4th of November between 5.30 and 7.30 PM. the dress code is all white to highlight the pureness and peacefulness of the original Maspero protest as well as the vigil itself.
More information is available on HG's blog at:
http://bishopsuriel.blogspot.com/2011/10/vigil-4-peace.html (http://bishopsuriel.blogspot.com/2011/10/vigil-4-peace.html)
I hope and pray that unlike prior protests on the part of the Diocese of Melbourne, this one would yield some results or Government action.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on November 01, 2011, 12:44:52 AM
http://www.copticworld.org/articles/467/

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Members of the clergy, Coptic Lawyer's Association, Coptic Solidarity, and CopticWorld as well as Coptic representatives from Michigan and other states met with White House officials today in a closed door meeting to address recent events in Egypt concerning Copts.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 02, 2011, 08:37:37 PM
It's being reported that in mid-October a Coptic high school student was attacked and killed in his school for refusing to cover the cross tattooed on his wrist, and for refusing to take off the cross he wore around his neck:

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Today the parents of the 17-year-old Christian student Ayman Nabil Labib, broke their silence, confirming that their son was murdered on October 16, in "cold blood because he refused to take off his crucifix as ordered by his Muslim teacher." Nabil Labib, the father, said in a taped video interview with Copts United NGO, that his son had a cross tattooed on his wrist as per Coptic tradition, as well as another cross which he wore under his clothes.

Both parents confirmed that Ayman's classmates, who were present during the assault and whom they met at the hospital and during the funeral, said that while Ayman was in the classroom he was told to cover up his tattooed wrist cross. He refused and defiantly got out the second cross which he wore under his shirt. "The teacher nearly chocked by son and some Muslim students joined in the beating," said his mother.

According to Ayman's father, eyewitnesses told him that his son was not beaten up in the school yard as per the official story, but in the classroom. "They beat my son so much in the classroom that he fled to the lavatory on the ground floor, but they followed him and continued their assault. When one of the supervisors took him to his room, Ayman was still breathing. The ambulance transported him from there dead, one hour later."


http://www.aina.org/news/20111030133621.htm


This reminds me of a young Russian soldier who was tortured and beheaded for refusing to remove his cross:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,25994.0.html


Holy Martyrs, pray for us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 02, 2011, 08:46:14 PM
Metropolitan Hilarion of the Russian Orthodox Church is speaking up about the recent massacres and what should be done about it:

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Moscow, November 1, Interfax – Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, the head of the Synodal Department for External Church Relations has accused the West of failing to stand up for Egyptian Christians during recent violence against them and has slammed Western governments for putting economic interests before human life.

...

He called for Christians to come together “to defend their brothers and sisters who are suffering in various regions.”

“If this doesn’t happen, we will look even less convincing in the eyes of this world. On the other hand, by defending our fellow believers, we will strengthen our positions, will become more unified, and hence closer to one another,” he said.

...

“Christian Churches, primarily the Orthodox and Catholic Churches, and also the ancient Eastern Churches, should come together today and join forces. We have the imperative need to create a community of Churches following the apostolic tradition where we would together discuss problems and challenges of the modern world,” the metropolitan said.

He also suggested setting up “joint informal information structures that would provide objective, fresh and verified information on events that are of determining significance for the future of the Church and the world.”




http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2011/11/metropolitan-hilarion-accuses-west-of-leaving-egypt-christians-in-the-lurch/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 16, 2011, 03:04:26 PM
I thought this was an excellent interview. But its with a...gasp...Protestant Minister, so any Hyperdox should stear clear.  ::)

The Christians of Egypt, Part I
November 15, 2011 - 12:27 am - by Michael J. Totten

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Ramez Atallah: ...I’d like for the Western press to fight for the rights of Muslims and forget the Christians.

MJT: Really? Why?

Ramez Atallah: Because the minute moderate Muslims are okay in Egypt, Christians can breathe. Christians can live. If there are no more moderates in power in Egypt, Christians will be very limited. But they won’t be as badly off as the Muslims. We are a sort of protected species in Egypt. We will suffer less than the Muslims.

http://pjmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/11/15/the-christians-of-egypt-part-i/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 16, 2011, 03:06:04 PM
Cairo’s Christians worry about Egypt’s next chapter
By David Ignatius, Published: November 8, Washington Post


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This issue of sectarian tension lurks behind the election campaign now being waged across Egypt. People don’t often speak about it directly, but it’s an abiding fear here — as in most other countries shaken by the Arab Spring. The question is whether, as democracy empowers Islamist parties across the Arab world, Christian minorities will have a viable future.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cairos-christians-worry-about-egypts-next-chapter/2011/11/08/gIQAk3CI3M_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cairos-christians-worry-about-egypts-next-chapter/2011/11/08/gIQAk3CI3M_story.html)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on November 17, 2011, 11:38:16 PM
"Clashes along Egypt Christian march injure 29"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45342929/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/?

How cowardly the MSM formulates the headlines!

And the following was posted exactly on this very day, 8 years ago.

"Copts Attacked in Egypt"

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,2238.0.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on December 30, 2011, 01:14:49 PM

The cunning snake shading its skin....

"Egypt Islamists vow to protect churches on Orthodox Christmas"

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1683306.php/Egypt-Islamists-vow-to-protect-churches-on-Orthodox-Christmas?


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 30, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
Maybe the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis are feeling sorry about all the Coptic homes, businesses and churches they have burnt and bombed over the past year.  I doubt it, though. 

Here is another story that just came out about Muslim villagers burning Christian homes in Upper Egypt:

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/575331

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Dozens of residents of the village of Baheeg in Assiut, Upper Egypt, burnt three houses owned by a Christian family after a Christian villager allegedly published cartoons mocking Islam on his Facebook account.

A number of Muslim students attacked their Coptic classmate for posting the cartoons, a Muslim student told Al-Masry Al-Youm.

The Muslim students attacked the Coptic student on Thursday at Monqebad Secondary School in Assiut. Eyewitnesses said the military intervened to break up the fight and escorted the Coptic youth and his family away from the village. Later, Muslim villagers set fire to the family’s houses.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 31, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
^ The Coptic student who allegedly posted the cartoon has now been arrested by the police and his father's business has been torched.  The student denies putting the cartoon on his Facebook page:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2011/12/egyptian-muslims-christians-clash-over-prophet-cartoon/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45833888#.Tv908HbxPPM
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 31, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
Threats are being made of a New Year's attack against Coptic Christians:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2011/12/egypts-military-on-alert-for-new-years-attack-on-christians/

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Update at 6:25 p.m. ET: Facebook has apparently taken down the account of at least one group threatening a New Year’s attack on Egyptian Christians. An Arab-language Facebook page (not linked to in the story but monitored by msnbc.com reporters) no longer loads.


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on January 20, 2012, 10:20:46 AM

This morning, at least 800 Salafists gathered with many Muslim "spectators" at the church of St. Macarius in Bahtim, Egypt. They then stormed the church and occupied the area. They forbade the priests and the Copts, who wanted to enter the church for the Epiphany Mass.

Lord Have Mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 21, 2012, 04:40:03 PM
^ The incident is described in this article:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/01/muslims-in-egypt-burn-christian-homes-and-shops-attack-church/

The article also describes the burning of more Coptic homes and businesses in another village, and how the Salafis are preventing Copts from voting in parliamentary elections there.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: peteprint on January 22, 2012, 02:44:16 AM
I wish that we could bring all our Christian brothers and sisters out of Egypt (and any other Islamic nations where they are suffering persecution) and let them immigrate to the West.  Their suffering has gone on far too long, and they would be a blessing to the nations of Europe, North America, Australia, etc.

Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on January 22, 2012, 02:57:58 AM
It is a blessing of God that the majority of Copts remain in Egypt, and it is a blessing of God that those who are now in the West have come here.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on January 22, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
yes, may God send more of us to difficult countries to share the blessing.
when we share with Christ in His sufferings, then we also share in His glory.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 28, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
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(AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection.

According to eyewitnesses, the perpetrators were bearded men in white gowns. "They were Salafists, and some of were from the Muslim Brotherhood," according to one witness. It was reported that terrorized women and children who lost their homes were in the streets without any place to go.

According to Father Boktor Nashed from St. George's Church in el-Nahdah, a meeting between Muslim and Christian representatives was supposed to take place in the evening in Kobry-el-Sharbat. But, by 3 P.M. a Muslim mob looted and torched the home of Mourad Samy Guirgis, as well as the home of his family and three homes of Coptic neighbors. A number of Coptic-owned shops and businesses were also looted and torched. "We contacted security forces, but they arrived very, very late," Said Father Nashad. The fire brigade was prevented from going into the village by the Muslims and the fires were left to burn themselves out. "Those who lost their home, left the village," said Father Nashed.


http://www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 28, 2012, 07:46:01 PM
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(AINA) -- An Egyptian court has ordered a 16-year old Christian girl to be held in a state-owned care home, instead of returning her to her family, allegedly for expressing her wish to convert to Islam. She is to be held in state care until she reaches the age of 18. The decision has been widely criticized by Copts, who say it encourages Islamists to continue unabated the abduction of Christian minors for conversion to Islam.

"The decision taken by a prosecutor in Boulaq El Dakrour district, Giza, makes him an abductor and makes the law an accomplice to the crime," said Dr. Oliver, a Coptic activist. "What this prosecutor committed is a crime -- he legitimized child abduction and detention."

Dr. Oliver explained that these crimes are committed by thugs, criminals and kidnappers of children, and when the State legitimizes them it makes itself a partner. In addition, placing a girl under care for allegedly wishing to convert to Islam while still a minor is tantamount to abduction by the State.

http://www.aina.org/news/20120124192832.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on January 30, 2012, 10:50:44 AM

Well, one of the most crucial mistakes the Coptic community in Egypt made, was its naive stand on believing in the Arab nationalism. I think because of that they were unable to establish a geographic area of concentration. This was a big mistake!

This article is an interesting summary of Coptic life in Egypt.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Christians-in-Egypt-Are-Holding-Their-Breath-Part-2-Kurt-Werthmuller-01-26-2012.html


By the way, Abuna Zakaria Boutros is to be admired and prized for the bravery, courage and honesty, for being able to bring millions of dead Muslim souls alive.

May the Lord give strength and guidance to our Coptic brothers and sisters in Egypt!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on January 30, 2012, 06:26:02 PM

Well, one of the most crucial mistakes the Coptic community in Egypt made, was its naive stand on believing in the Arab nationalism. I think because of that they were unable to establish a geographic area of concentration. This was a big mistake!


I disagree.  It's not a mistake.  Whether Arab nationalism or not, we'll always get Muslim religious bigots.  But nationalism is to be encouraged if you don't want to isolate the moderate and liberal Muslims.

Love your country, serve her, and don't forsake your religion.  This is always the standard we must live by.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on January 30, 2012, 06:38:54 PM
Is it possible, though, that Arab nationalism in particular could be used as something of a "Trojan horse" for the goals of the Islamists, given the identification of the vast majority of the Arab nation with Islam, and hence Islam's eternal priority in the minds of many? For instance, I have seen many a secular/nationalist-minded Arab praise George Habash (himself a secularist of Christian background) or even Fairuz (for her contribution to the art of the Arab world; she is certainly no secularist!), but when push comes to shove, Islam comes out as the great pacifier, not the supposed unity between nationals of all religions. Friends of mine from Iraq and Lebanon have described it as such, anyway (e.g., "Hezbollah claims to the Lebanese resistance, but if you listen to X speech by Hassan Nasrallah he calls for an Islamic state").

I don't know. I don't trust nationalism to protect anybody, but I am not from the Middle East, so I don't want to sound like I'm making definitive pronouncements about how things work. I have in past referred to Arab nationalism as "Islamism for Muslims who can't grow beards", but perhaps that was a bit hasty... :P (though I haven't really seen any evidence to the contrary yet, either)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on January 31, 2012, 02:06:27 PM
We need to be careful not to confuse Egyptian Nationalism with the Pan-Arab Nationalism of Nasser, the Ba'athists, and the Ikhwan ("Toz fe Misr" as one of their leaders proudly stated). Many prominent Copts allied themselves with Saad Zaghloul for Egyptian Independence; very few supported Nasser and with good reason.

I'll leave it at that so as not to push this thread off-topic.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on January 31, 2012, 02:31:48 PM
That's a good point. All of the Copts I know with the exception of one are I guess what you could call "Egyptian Nationalists". Then again, I don't think any of them consider themselves Arab, either. Hm. :-\
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on January 31, 2012, 05:09:18 PM
Oh, dzheremi! That's another can of worms  :laugh:  OK, here I go... We are Arabs in so far as we speak the language and are part of the Arab cultural milieu. I think its silly to argue otherwise, but yes, many Copts in the West do seem to resent being called "Arabs". I personally don't mind. I'm an Arab, I'm a Copt, and I'm an American. When I used to visit a local Antiochian Church which was a mixture of different ethnicities as well as many converts, by the end of coffee hour I'd usually wind up with the other Arabs; Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian, even as my Arabic is quite broken. We just sort of click together in a unique way.

But you must also remember, this Arabness was forced on us. There was a time when to speak the Coptic language was to have your tongue literally cut off.  And Egyptians were somewhat isolated compared to the Levantine Arabs. These nations of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordon, and Iraq as they appear today are all basically modern constructs of the Brits & French. Yes, there was a region of Syria or of Mesopotamia or of Lebanon, etc. But there were no hard borders and such, there was more free flow of people (with the possible exception of the Maronites and Assyrians who found safe haven in the mountains) among those regions for many hundreds of years.  Whereas most Egyptians never left the Nile Valley until recently, mostly to the West for opportunities and the Gulf for work.

One last thought, the pan-Arabism I mentioned before can lead to the Pan-Islamism you mentioned and indeed has. But Egyptian Nationalism, call it Egyptian Arab Nationalism or whatever, has always been about the Copts and Muslims working together by it's very definition. Copts and moderate Muslims share the same goals for Egypt. The Islamists concern is for a return to the caliphate, this is not nationalism whatever they try to call it.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on January 31, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
I also want to mention that there has been non-Chalcedonian Arabian Gulf Christian Kingdoms, and they spoke Arabic (and some Greek).  There were bishops that were named Ahmad, Mustafa, etc.  This church has become extinct now, but can you imagine the liturgical tradition, how that might have sounded?

So, Arabic was a Christian language before it became Islamic.  Let's not forget that.  This whole argument "I'm not Arab, I'm Egyptian" is a useless argument today, and it wastes time with what truly matters.  There's new scholars now working on the "Copto-Arabic" Church fathers, that is the Church fathers of the Coptic Church who wrote in classical Arabic to teach the people who have already been Arabicized.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on February 01, 2012, 09:40:54 AM

Well, one of the most crucial mistakes the Coptic community in Egypt made, was its naive stand on believing in the Arab nationalism. I think because of that they were unable to establish a geographic area of concentration. This was a big mistake!


I disagree.  It's not a mistake.  Whether Arab nationalism or not, we'll always get Muslim religious bigots.  But nationalism is to be encouraged if you don't want to isolate the moderate and liberal Muslims.

Love your country, serve her, and don't forsake your religion.  This is always the standard we must live by.

Why do the Copts have to pretend they Arabs, which they are not?

If the Copts had won the battle in the past, it would have been right to say strategically they played a very wise role. I am sure, one way or the other, one day, they are going to win. But at the moment it doesn't look like like they are winning. If 100.000 Copts left Egypt in the past 10 months, there is something terribly wrong with their handling of the situation.

On the other hand look at to south of Egyptistan, Sudan, the Southern people fought 'from their enclave' for their freedom,, and it took them 'only' 40 years to get to where they are now. Imagine the position of the Copts, if they had the Alexandria, or the Aswan region only for themselves?  They would have dominated the whole area in all aspects of life. They would have kept their beautiful Coptic language and superior tradition in a pure and unspoiled manner. Me thinks so...

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 01, 2012, 10:16:48 AM
We can speculate all we want about past events, but that has no effect on the world as it currently is. There are no Coptic enclaves, there is no Coptic "Phalange". The Copts IN EGYPT have no desire for a seperate Coptic "Nation" in a geographic sense. They simply want to live in peace with their Muslim neighbors and have their full rights as citizens of Egypt. This is the goal, not some fantasy dreamland that those outside Egypt, who live in comfort and freedom, want to project on them.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 01, 2012, 02:47:04 PM

Well, one of the most crucial mistakes the Coptic community in Egypt made, was its naive stand on believing in the Arab nationalism. I think because of that they were unable to establish a geographic area of concentration. This was a big mistake!


I disagree.  It's not a mistake.  Whether Arab nationalism or not, we'll always get Muslim religious bigots.  But nationalism is to be encouraged if you don't want to isolate the moderate and liberal Muslims.

Love your country, serve her, and don't forsake your religion.  This is always the standard we must live by.

Why do the Copts have to pretend they Arabs, which they are not?

If the Copts had won the battle in the past, it would have been right to say strategically they played a very wise role. I am sure, one way or the other, one day, they are going to win. But at the moment it doesn't look like like they are winning. If 100.000 Copts left Egypt in the past 10 months, there is something terribly wrong with their handling of the situation.

On the other hand look at to south of Egyptistan, Sudan, the Southern people fought 'from their enclave' for their freedom,, and it took them 'only' 40 years to get to where they are now. Imagine the position of the Copts, if they had the Alexandria, or the Aswan region only for themselves?  They would have dominated the whole area in all aspects of life. They would have kept their beautiful Coptic language and superior tradition in a pure and unspoiled manner. Me thinks so...



No one is pretending to be Arabic.  The Egyptian Muslims are also Coptic (in fact, you can call them Coptic Muslims, since Coptic is not a religion, but a race), it just so happens that somewhere down the line, they became Muslim.  Therefore, I treat Egyptian Muslims as if they were my brothers and my sisters, even though they left the faith.  That is why both Coptic people have EGYPTIAN pride, pride for their own nation.  It just so happens today we speak Arabic, and we've naturally assimilated to Arabic mannerisms, just as I have assimilated to American mannerisms, making me an American, as much as Copts are Arabs.  It's too late to speculate on "preserving the Coptic tongue" and "oh my God, the ancient language of the Pharaohs is gone" and "I have to speak this stupid terrorist language."  All of that is a waste of time and energy.  The energy is on the faith now.  It matters not if it's Arabic or Coptic.

The Copts that live there, there are sooo many that do not want to leave, because no matter how much bad goes on there, Egypt is their home.  We as immigrants and children of immigrants have a different situation.  We sit on our comfortable chairs and like to waste time talking about whether we're Arab or not.  But if you understand and talk to the Coptic people in Egypt, you will not find that form of bigotry in their hearts.  They see the other Muslims as one and the same blood, and that is the truth of history.  Therefore, it is stupid to think we should have a separate nation.  We deal with whatever government we deal with, and God always protects His Church.  To cry for a separate nation, and to see what other nations do is just carnal desire after another, and we make ourselves no better than the persecutors.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on February 01, 2012, 03:57:01 PM
It's too late to speculate on "preserving the Coptic tongue" and "oh my God, the ancient language of the Pharaohs is gone" and "I have to speak this stupid terrorist language."  All of that is a waste of time and energy.  The energy is on the faith now.  It matters not if it's Arabic or Coptic.

Forgive me for being so bold as a non-Copt and non-Arab(ized) person, but I don't think this is true. Or, rather, if it were true, there would not be such a commitment to preserving the Coptic tongue in its liturgical setting as I know there is both in the diaspora and at home in Egypt. People may assign different meanings to the use of the language (whether we are talking about Coptic or Arabic or any other language), but to say people who claim not to be Arab are resentful of the Arabic language or the Arabic culture...that's not something I've seen, even from the staunchest of the "We're not Arabs!" faction. To give an example that is not from the diaspora (so that it can not be attributed to children of the diaspora projecting their ideology onto Copts in Egypt), HG Bishop Thomas of el-Qusiya (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=5BCE4CE9A9A2D8B7) has said quite emphatically that he rejects the Arab identity, but I think you will find that his explanation of his stance is not in any way bigoted or built on delusion that he is anything but an Arabic-speaking Egyptian. (There are other linguistic and cultural minorities in Egypt for whom a similar dichotomy probably exists, such as the Nubians; they are also Egyptian, of course, and yet I doubt anyone would claim that they are "wasting their time" in asserting their cultural and ethnolinguistic rights, which is all that I've ever seen Copts anywhere in the world fighting for anyway.)

As for the fate of the language, the example of Modern Hebrew (as the most successful example of language revitalization in modern times) should be of much interest to those who push for the revitalization of Coptic, though they are definitely a minority. I am certainly not optimistic about the fate of any Middle Eastern or other minority language in today's world, but I will also say that virtually nothing is too late or impossible, and Coptic has many things going for it that other dead languages do not (e.g., a native writing system, a large corpus of texts covering a long period of development, many dictionaries and grammars describing many different dialects, a population that strongly identifies with it, etc).
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 01, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
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Coptic movement to protest 'forced eviction' of Amreyya Copts   

By   Heba Hesham / Daily News Egypt   February 1, 2012, 7:00 pm

CAIRO: The Maspero Youth Union announced that it will organize a protest Thursday in front of the Journalists' Syndicate, to condemn what they called violations against the Coptic residents of Sharbat village in the district of Amreyya in Alexandria.

The sectarian clashes reportedly erupted on Friday Jan. 27 when Mahmoud Te'ma, a barber, claimed that 34-year-old tailor Morad Gerges snapped pictures of Muslim girls in the fitting room of his workshop.  However, according to Ramy Kamel, a Coptic activist, Te'ma tried to extort money from Gerges, but when he refused Te’ma spread the rumor. Te'ma was later arrested, he said.

"A number of Muslim residents attacked Gerges' home and when they didn't find him, they abused his family," he said, claiming that the attack was led by Salafi leaders in the village.

...

Kamel claimed that the homes of 11 other Coptic families were also attacked, forcing them to flee to nearby villages where they have been in hiding since.

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/human-a-civil-rights/coptic-movement-to-protest-forced-eviction-of-amreyya-copts.html

The article mentions other instances of forced eviction, and describes three "reconciliation meetings," which were really venues for the perpetrators to demand the further displacement of Copts.  This really is ethnic cleansing.  It needs to be brought before international human rights organizations.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 02, 2012, 09:04:07 AM
U.S. Copts Decry Egyptian Persecution of Christians (VIDEO)
by Dexter Van Zile, January 30, 2012 2:03 pm

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The audience also saw graphic footage of people killed at the riots in Maspero on Oct. 9, 2011. It was ugly footage that showed bodies crushed and dismembered by the armored personnel carriers driven by the Egyptian military. The audience looked at the screen unflinchingly.

The video, displayed on two large screens, demonstrated the power of technology to tell the Coptic story and Islamist violence. The Internet is filled with footage of the aftermath of the Maspero riots which began when Egyptian military personnel attacked Christians protesting the failure of the Egyptian government to protect their churches from attacks. During the non-violent protest, reporters on state-sponsored television called on Egyptians to defend the military from attacks by the Christians.

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During his sermon, Very Reverend, Peter-Michael Preble, pastor of St. Michael’s Romanian Orthodox Church in Southbridge, Massachusetts told the audience, “Sitting here watching the video reminds me of how easy we have it in the United States.”

”We cannot sit here as human beings and not rise up to our feet and say … ‘The violence must stop,’” he proclaimed. He also warned the audience not to think that this activism will be done by someone else.

“The someone else is us,” he said.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/01/30/u-s-copts-decry-egyptian-persecution-of-christians/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 02, 2012, 05:12:30 PM
It's too late to speculate on "preserving the Coptic tongue" and "oh my God, the ancient language of the Pharaohs is gone" and "I have to speak this stupid terrorist language."  All of that is a waste of time and energy.  The energy is on the faith now.  It matters not if it's Arabic or Coptic.

Forgive me for being so bold as a non-Copt and non-Arab(ized) person, but I don't think this is true. Or, rather, if it were true, there would not be such a commitment to preserving the Coptic tongue in its liturgical setting as I know there is both in the diaspora and at home in Egypt. People may assign different meanings to the use of the language (whether we are talking about Coptic or Arabic or any other language), but to say people who claim not to be Arab are resentful of the Arabic language or the Arabic culture...that's not something I've seen, even from the staunchest of the "We're not Arabs!" faction. To give an example that is not from the diaspora (so that it can not be attributed to children of the diaspora projecting their ideology onto Copts in Egypt), HG Bishop Thomas of el-Qusiya (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=5BCE4CE9A9A2D8B7) has said quite emphatically that he rejects the Arab identity, but I think you will find that his explanation of his stance is not in any way bigoted or built on delusion that he is anything but an Arabic-speaking Egyptian. (There are other linguistic and cultural minorities in Egypt for whom a similar dichotomy probably exists, such as the Nubians; they are also Egyptian, of course, and yet I doubt anyone would claim that they are "wasting their time" in asserting their cultural and ethnolinguistic rights, which is all that I've ever seen Copts anywhere in the world fighting for anyway.)

As for the fate of the language, the example of Modern Hebrew (as the most successful example of language revitalization in modern times) should be of much interest to those who push for the revitalization of Coptic, though they are definitely a minority. I am certainly not optimistic about the fate of any Middle Eastern or other minority language in today's world, but I will also say that virtually nothing is too late or impossible, and Coptic has many things going for it that other dead languages do not (e.g., a native writing system, a large corpus of texts covering a long period of development, many dictionaries and grammars describing many different dialects, a population that strongly identifies with it, etc).

We'll continue this over PM, since I don't want to derail the thread any longer.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on February 08, 2012, 11:05:27 AM


Allegedly an influnetial Pakistani writing the following on Copts to the International Herald Tribune (NYtimes)

„The Qibtis of Egypt were Monophysites who believed in the ‘one nature’ of Christ. In October 451 AD, Pope Leo and Byzantine Emperor Marcian, convened the Council of Chalcedon on the eastern bank of the Bosphorus, in present-day Istanbul, to settle a dispute over the meaning of Christ between the eastern and western church. To the western church (based in Rome and Constantinople), the Chalcedonian definition of faith held that Christ existed ‘in two natures’— that he was both divine and human.

The Qibtis belonged to the Eastern Church and did not agree. As a result, they were ousted from Christianity as ‘Monophysites’ (from the Greek words for ‘single’ and ‘nature’). Their belief in Christ was closer to the Judaic and Islamic tradition. That could be one reason why they accepted Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the true Prophet of God.“

Since when is Muhammad acceptd by Copts as a prophet?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316014/copts-and-the-arab-spring/

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on February 08, 2012, 11:22:25 AM
Since Muslims are desperate for any outside vindication of their false prophet and false religion. They're insecure in that way.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 11, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
Two Coptic priests are being charged in connection with the Maspero Massacre, in which 28 Copts were killed by military, some of them run over by military personnel carriers.  This takes victim blaming to new heights.

http://www.aina.org/news/20120210142736.htm

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(AINA) -- Two Coptic priests appeared yesterday before an investigations judge in connection with the events of the Maspero Massacre, in which 28 Copts were killed and 329 injured after being shot and run over by and military Armored Personnel Carriers (AINA 10-10-2011). Father Mattias Nasr of St. Mary's Church in Ezbet el-Nakhl in Greater Cairo and Father Filopateer Gameel of St. Mary's Church in Giza, both founding members of the Maspero Coptic Youth Union, which organized the October 9 demonstration, were accused of causing the death of military soldier Mohamed Ali Shetta, possession of weapons, use of force against the military, attempting to storm the Maspero TV building and incitement to violence.

As evidence, the investigating judge produced video footage collected from radical Islamic websites. "Between the footage there were parts in which a shaikh called on me to convert to Islam," said Father Filopateer.

Commenting on the investigations Father Matthias Nasr said: "I wonder about the conditions prevailing in Egypt now, whereby victims are being investigated, while the real perpetrators are ruling the country and continuing with their crimes against the Egyptian people and peaceful demonstrators everywhere."

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 11, 2012, 06:02:33 AM
Lord have mercy.
ya Rab irham.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 12, 2012, 02:37:51 AM
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Coptic movement to protest 'forced eviction' of Amreyya Copts   

By   Heba Hesham / Daily News Egypt   February 1, 2012, 7:00 pm

CAIRO: The Maspero Youth Union announced that it will organize a protest Thursday in front of the Journalists' Syndicate, to condemn what they called violations against the Coptic residents of Sharbat village in the district of Amreyya in Alexandria.

The sectarian clashes reportedly erupted on Friday Jan. 27 when Mahmoud Te'ma, a barber, claimed that 34-year-old tailor Morad Gerges snapped pictures of Muslim girls in the fitting room of his workshop.  However, according to Ramy Kamel, a Coptic activist, Te'ma tried to extort money from Gerges, but when he refused Te’ma spread the rumor. Te'ma was later arrested, he said.

"A number of Muslim residents attacked Gerges' home and when they didn't find him, they abused his family," he said, claiming that the attack was led by Salafi leaders in the village.

...

Kamel claimed that the homes of 11 other Coptic families were also attacked, forcing them to flee to nearby villages where they have been in hiding since.

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/human-a-civil-rights/coptic-movement-to-protest-forced-eviction-of-amreyya-copts.html

The article mentions other instances of forced eviction, and describes three "reconciliation meetings," which were really venues for the perpetrators to demand the further displacement of Copts.  This really is ethnic cleansing.  It needs to be brought before international human rights organizations.



Here is an update on the above efforts to ethnically cleanse Copts from this village:


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CAIRO, Egypt (AsiaNews / Agencies) – The radical Muslims are trying to forcibly empty a village near Alexandria of its Coptic Christian population – 62 families, on the basis of unfounded allegations against a Copt. The Copts of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Amerya) were attacked on Jan. 27 by a crowd of some three thousand Muslims led by Salafi leaders who set fire to the Copts houses and shops.

The violence were sparked by the allegations of a barber Muslim Toemah, who claimed that a Coptic tailor of 34, Samy Mourad Guirgis, had “illegal” photos of a Muslim woman on his cell phone. Mourad has denied the charges, and turned himself in to police in fear of his life. The Muslims set fire to his house and his shop, and his whole family was forced to leave the village. Mourad is still under police custody.

Since then there have been three “reconciliation meetings” in the police headquarters in el-Amerya, attended by representatives of the Coptic Church, the Salafis and the Muslim Brotherhood. According to police, the woman concerned has denied the whole story, and no compromising photos of any kind were found Mourad’s cell phone. But radical Muslims argue that “Muslim honor has been damaged,” and at the first meeting, they refused any type of compensation for the Copts who were innocent victims of their violence.


http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/02/62-coptic-christian-families-forcibly-evicted-by-salafi-muslims/

The article further details the "reconciliation meetings," during which a wealthy Coptic merchant was blackmailed into selling his assets "under the supervision of the Salafist Sheikh Sherif el-Hawary. Otherwise Kobry el-Sharbat would be attacked again, and the Coptic houses completely burned."  His house has been burned down, and an arrest warrant has been issued for his sons because of allegations that they fired guns into the air as their house was being burned down.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 12, 2012, 02:39:17 AM
Aren't the Copts in the diaspora in any way politically organized?  Aren't there international courts of human rights they can go to about this?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 12, 2012, 02:48:44 AM
we campaign and protest and write letters, but we have to be sensitive as those in egypt can be harmed by too much activity (seen as collaborating with 'foreigners'.)
our biggest weapons are prayer and fasting.
also we remember our brothers in nigeria, other parts of east africa, asia etc. are going through the same things.
may the Lord make us all strong to stand up for our faith wherever we are and gain the crown of eternal life.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 12, 2012, 03:33:05 AM
Every time a chance for the world to lend her hand and publicly chastise Egypt for the handling of minorities occur, the Copts in Egypt would be the first ones to stand and say "we'll handle our own problems without your help, thank you!"  So, we protest, but Egypt does not accept.  I don't know which to take sides on though.  Because of the world is involved, especially the US, one wonders if it makes the situation against the Copts even worse, now that they might be teeter-tottering on isolating the rest of the country as if they're non-citizens.

The best solution is to find a MLK-like individual who would stand up and revolutionize Egypt's thinking and support.  But of course, how can this work in a country that for sure by law might kill us for questioning the authority in a non-aggressive manner?  We can only pray.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Gorazd on February 12, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
In my humble opinion, the Copts will not be in peace, as long as Islam and Christiany are both present in Egypt. This conflict will end in one of two possible ways: Either Islam succeeds in making all Christians leave the country, or we succeed in returning the lost sheep of the Egyptian people to Christ. There just is no theological base for peaceful co-existence in Islam.

The recently glorified Saint Alexander of Munich said: "Evil must be attacked where it is the strongest". This certainly is the case here, with over 70% Islamists. But in this deep darkeness, there is a strong light shining, too. Remember that this is still the city of one of the Evangelists (St. Mark), of the New Testament canon (St. Athanasius), of Theosis (St. Cyril) etc. And more and more Muslims are coming to Christ.

Best wishes from Alexandria, Egypt.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 13, 2012, 12:26:48 AM
With regard to the Coptic merchant who is being forced to sell his assets under the supervision of a Salafist sheikh:

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On Wednesday February 1, a hastily organized reconciliation meeting was arranged by security authorities, and was attended by Ebeskharion Soliman and one of his sons.

The terms of the agreement which resulted were:

eviction of eight Coptic families, namely three of the Mourad families, in addition to five Soliman families.
selling of the assets of the wealthy Abeskhayron Soliman family within three months by a committee, under the supervision of Salafi shaikh Sherif el Hawary. Soliman has no right to get involved in the sale or even accompany a prospective buyer.
the Committee is to collect any money accrued from the sale of his land, properties, businesses as well as collect promissory notes pending from business transactions by the Soliman-owned chain of stores.
in case of non-implementation of this Agreement, all Copts in the Kobry-el-Sharbat village will be attacked, their homes and property completely torched.
Abeskhayron Soliman signed the agreement, which most Copts viewed as "humiliating."

...

Wissa Fawzi, member of the Maspero Coptic Youth Union in Alexandria, said that Soliman has nothing at all to do with the Mourad story, but signed the agreement to save his family and the Copts in the village, "otherwise there would have been a massacre of the Copts on that Friday." He said that Security authorities pressured Soliman into accepting the terms of the agreement by threatening him with refusal of police protection for him and his family. "What constitutes the real crisis is the complicity of security officials in the process of displacement," said Fawzi.


http://www.aina.org/news/20120208194830.htm

So they are targeting Coptic capital, in addition to threatening to evict or kill entire populations of Copts.

This needs to be brought before international courts.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 13, 2012, 12:31:52 AM
Every time a chance for the world to lend her hand and publicly chastise Egypt for the handling of minorities occur, the Copts in Egypt would be the first ones to stand and say "we'll handle our own problems without your help, thank you!"  So, we protest, but Egypt does not accept.  I don't know which to take sides on though.  Because of the world is involved, especially the US, one wonders if it makes the situation against the Copts even worse, now that they might be teeter-tottering on isolating the rest of the country as if they're non-citizens.

The best solution is to find a MLK-like individual who would stand up and revolutionize Egypt's thinking and support.  But of course, how can this work in a country that for sure by law might kill us for questioning the authority in a non-aggressive manner?  We can only pray.

I can understand that the Copts are afraid of retaliation of they go to outside organizations for help;  However, it seems the people coming into power in Egypt are bent on eliminating the Copts regardless of what they do or don't do. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 13, 2012, 09:43:18 AM
as gorazd says; the light shines in the darkness. and the darkness does not overcome it.
God bless u brother, and may we all keep our own light shining.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on February 13, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
Cairo’s Christians worry about Egypt’s next chapter
By David Ignatius, Published: November 8, Washington Post


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This issue of sectarian tension



They always call it "Secterian"

A salafist policy-maker praying loud inside the new parlament of Egyptistan

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-parliament-member-loudly-chants-muslim-prayer-in-middle-of-legislative-session/

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 13, 2012, 05:00:16 PM
Every time a chance for the world to lend her hand and publicly chastise Egypt for the handling of minorities occur, the Copts in Egypt would be the first ones to stand and say "we'll handle our own problems without your help, thank you!"  So, we protest, but Egypt does not accept.  I don't know which to take sides on though.  Because of the world is involved, especially the US, one wonders if it makes the situation against the Copts even worse, now that they might be teeter-tottering on isolating the rest of the country as if they're non-citizens.

The best solution is to find a MLK-like individual who would stand up and revolutionize Egypt's thinking and support.  But of course, how can this work in a country that for sure by law might kill us for questioning the authority in a non-aggressive manner?  We can only pray.

I can understand that the Copts are afraid of retaliation of they go to outside organizations for help;  However, it seems the people coming into power in Egypt are bent on eliminating the Copts regardless of what they do or don't do. 

I'm just waiting for one activist to step up and to lead the minorities of Egypt into a non-aggressive manner of equal rights, despite the many killings that might occur.  It must be done in a wise manner, mixing with moderate and liberal Muslims to turn it into an Egyptian issue.  And it must be done with an emphasis on love for country, so that those who attack them attack Egypt.  No one should be able to make a case against you when you hold your flag up high side-by-side with Muslims preaching for Coptic and other minority rights.

So far, no protest ever showed that yet.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 14, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
Aren't the Copts in the diaspora in any way politically organized? 

I know of two such groups in the US.

Coptic Solidarity
http://www.copticsolidarity.org/index.php?lang=en

US Copts Association
http://www.copts.com/english/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 14, 2012, 10:34:20 AM
From the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission
Under Threat: The Worsening Plight of Egypt's Coptic Christians, Dec 2011


Raymond Ibrahim (http://www.raymondibrahim.com/):
Shariah, Dhimmitude & the Copts
Middle East specialist and Associate fellow, Middle East Forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-Y67SzLkk

Cynthia Farahat (http://cynthiafarahat.com/):
Jihad & the War on Egypt's Coptic Christians
Egyptian political activist & fellow at the Middle East Forum and the Center for Security Policy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQbXPBEw-s

Adel Guindy:
Islamism & the Facade of Egyptian Democracy
President, Coptic Solidarity International
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoQWeJusZRI

Opening remarks & the full panel, http://tlhrc.house.gov/media.asp?type=video&id=138


From Congress' Helsinki Commission on the disappearance of Coptic women, July 22, 2011

Caroline Doss, an attorney of Coptic Solidarity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miPDnPPSkI

Dr. Michele Clark, Adjunct Professor George Washington's Elliott School of International Affairs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGMp9rczKA

Dr. Clark's report for Christian Solidarity International
http://csi-int.org/pdfs/csi_coptic_report.pdf


From the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission
Hearing on Christian Minorities Under Attack in Iraq and Egypt - Jan 2011


Dina Guirguis
Egyptian political activist, Washington Institute of Near East Policy
transcript of her testimony
http://tlhrc.house.gov/docs/transcripts/2011_01_20_Iraq_Egypt/Guirguis_Testimony.pdf
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 14, 2012, 10:50:54 AM
The Coptic Winter: What Does the Massacre at Maspero Mean for Egypt's Christians?
Hudson Institute, October 19, 2011

Samuel Tadros and Kurt Werthmuller, research fellows at Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom, and Eric Trager, Ira Weiner Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Center director Nina Shea will moderate the discussion

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17975639
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 15, 2012, 12:28:51 AM
More violence against Copts in another village:

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(AINA) — A mob of nearly 20,000 radical Muslims, mainly Salafis, attempted this evening to break into and torch the Church of St. Mary and St. Abram in the village of Meet Bashar,in Zagazig, Sharqia province. They were demanding the death of Reverend Guirgis Gameel, pastor of the church, who has been unable to leave his home since yesterday. Nearly 100 terrorized Copts sought refuge inside the church, while Muslim rioters were pelting the church with stones in an effort to break into the church, assault the Copts and torch the building. A home of a Copt living near the church and the home of the church’s porter were torched, as well as three cars.

The mob demanded the return Rania of Khalil Ibrahim, 15, to her father. She has been held with the Security Directorate since yesterday. Christian-born Rania had converted to Islam three months ago after her father, who had converted to Islam two years ago and took custody of her. She had disappeared from the village on Saturday, after claiming to go shopping. According to Reverend Guirgis Gameel, she had a disagreement with her father, who had arranged a marriage for her with a Muslim man.


http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/02/20000-muslims-attempt-to-kill-pastor-and-torch-church-in-egypt/

It needs to be mentioned that some of the Muslims in the village acted to protect their Coptic neighbors from the Salafis:

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Some Coptic eyewitnesses said that a number of Muslim villagers tried to prevent the Salafis from assaulting their Christian neighbors and some stood as human shields to protect the church, until security forces arrived.

They need to be commended for their courage.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on February 15, 2012, 09:33:19 AM

I am very sorry to say this, but I think something is telling me that Egyptian Christians should leave Egypt, at least, for some time, as tough time is coming to the country.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 15, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
I am very sorry to say this, but I think something is telling me that Egyptian Christians should leave Egypt, at least, for some time, as tough time is coming to the country.

I agree with you.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 20, 2012, 05:09:07 PM
The U.S. Helsinki Commission held a hearing entitled, "From Arab Spring to Coptic Winter: Sectarian Violence and the Struggle for Democratic Transition in Egypt"

The Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (U.S. Helsinki Commission), Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Mr. Michael H. Posner, Assistant Secretary for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, Department of State

Ms. Dina Guirguis, Egyptian democracy activist and attorney and member of the Egyptian American Rule of Law Association (EARLA)

Mr. Samuel Tadros, Research Fellow, Center for Religious Freedom, Hudson Institute

Dr. Michele Dunne, Director, Rafik Hariri Center for the Middle East, Atlantic Council

Full Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNcohBcI-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNcohBcI-c)

From Arab Spring to Coptic Winter: Sectarian Violence and the Struggle for Democratic Transition in Egypt
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
Rep. Christopher H. Smith, Chairman, November 15, 2011
http://chrissmith.house.gov/UploadedFiles/2011-11-15_From_Arab_Spring_to_Coptic_Winter.pdf (http://chrissmith.house.gov/UploadedFiles/2011-11-15_From_Arab_Spring_to_Coptic_Winter.pdf)

From Arab Spring to Coptic Winter:  Sectarian Violence and the Struggle for Democratic Transition in Egypt Testimony before the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
by Samuel Tadros , November 15, 2011
http://crf.hudson.org/files/publications/TadrosNov152011.pdf (http://crf.hudson.org/files/publications/TadrosNov152011.pdf)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on February 21, 2012, 11:44:17 AM


A New Year of ‘Dhimmitude’ for Egypt’s Copts

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/02/20/a-new-year-of-dhimmitude-for-egypts-copts-2/

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 23, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
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WASHINGTON, -- Christian Solidarity International Board Member Michele Clark testified on Capitol Hill today about the continued abuse of Coptic females in Egypt, a nation struggling to come together in the aftermath of this Spring's Arab revolution.

The U.S. Helsinki Commission, more formally known as The U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, held today's hearing to examine the recent escalation of violence toward Coptic Christians in Egypt, as well as reports of disappearances, forced conversions and forced marriages of Coptic women and girls.

Clark, who also serves as an adjunct professor at the George Washington University's Elliott School of International Affairs, told the Commission that there is no denying these reports

Read more here:

http://www.copts.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3558&Itemid=1
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on February 24, 2012, 01:36:28 PM
Egypt's faceless enemy
The suffering of Egypt's Christians is there for all to see — their churches have come under attack and people have died — but not the perpetrators
By Raghda El Halawany, Special to Weekend Review
February 24, 2012


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The clashes started when thousands of Copts — joined by sympathetic Muslim activists — demonstrated in front of the "Maspero" building, the headquarters of the state TV, against the destruction of a church near Aswan, allegedly by a mob incited by a mosque preacher.

The protests turned violent leaving about 27, mostly Christian, demonstrators dead. Fourteen of them were crushed under military armoured vehicles, and more than 300 others were injured. No clear official investigation has been conducted. While Human Rights Watch claimed the military used excessive force against the demonstration, facts remain few amid the rumours and speculations.

"It was the most violent incident since the January 2011 revolution, but until now every time there is an incident, nothing happens, no one is charged or arrested. Offenders have to pay for what they have done to the churches and to the Christians," said Mina Girgis, a Coptic activist and one of the January 2011 revolutionists.


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Father Filopater Gameel, a Coptic priest, a leading member of the Maspero Youth Union and an eyewitness to the Maspero massacre, had this to say. "I am not surprised that the Islamists won the parliament majority. There were many hints in recent months that they were going to easily win many seats. That they were insisting the elections take place while all the other political forces were pleading that the elections be postponed indicates that both the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists made a deal with the military council."

Stronger statements were made by some Coptic intellectuals, including Milad Hanna, who warned that Copts, himself included, would embark on collective emigration from Egypt if the Muslim Brotherhood ascended to power.

Despite facing criticism, Hanna stuck to his words, which were published by Al Arabi newspaper: "I have sensed the state of anxiety after the results of the recent elections, as if Egypt was going to turn into a theocracy in a matter of weeks," he said, adding that the Copts fear that they could become "second-class citizens" under the Brotherhood.


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Traditionally, the church and its head, Pope Shenouda, don't get involved in politics, focusing instead on the social aspects of the community. However, the present situation has pushed priests to encourage Copts to vote as a bloc to secure a minimum representation in the parliament.

To counter the Muslim Brotherhood, some clerics encouraged their parishioners to vote for the secular Egyptian Bloc, made up of both Muslim and Christian candidates. The Egyptian Bloc, newly founded by Christian business tycoon Sawiris, is a mix of mainly three parties: neo-liberal Free Egyptians, the socialist Gathering Party and the Egyptian Socialist Democrats. There are smaller Coptic parties, but for many Copts, a separation of religion and government is in their interests both as Egyptians and as Christians to defend themselves against the potential introduction of Islam into politics.

"We picked the Egyptian Bloc because it's the most liberal group and because they are against religious parties, including the Muslim Brotherhood," Father Ishak, a priest at St Mark's, said. "And if elections are free and fair, it will mean that Copts are more clearly represented and be more active in building a new Egypt."

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/egypt/egypt-s-faceless-enemy-1.984152
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 05, 2012, 12:59:54 AM
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Egyptian Christian Sentened to 6 Years in Prison for 'Insulting the Prophet'

(AINA) -- In the latest in a series of "defamation of religion" cases, an appeal has been filed on behalf of a Egyptian Christian who was sentenced to six years in prison for "insulting the Prophet." Legal observers saw many flaws in the ruling of the judge of the Abanoub misdemeanor court, in Assiut province, while others accused him of appeasing a mob of 2500 Muslims who congregated outside the court and demanded the death penalty for the defendant, Makram Diab. Eyewitnesses reported that some of the Muslims carried knives and wanted to break into the court and kill Diab, but were blocked by the police.

Diab's Muslim defense lawyer, Ahmad Sayed Gabali, said that during his 18 years as lawyer, he has never experienced what he went through in this case. "Over 80 Islamist lawyers representing civil rights claimants filled the court, locked the door of the court from the inside, not allowing the judge out, and prevented me as the defense lawyer from going inside the court and defending my client."

A discussion on February 9 between the Makram Diab, who is a school secretary, and a Salafi school teacher became heated but then simply ended. Thirteen days later, on February 23, another teacher named Abdel-Hamid, who was not present during the quarrel or even at school on that day, filed a complaint with the police, signed by another 11 teachers, accusing Makram Diab of insulting Islam's prophet. "This was a normal quarrel between him and the Muslim teacher," said Gabali, "which could happen anywhere. It was provoked by the teacher, who has been transferred several times from different schools after being reprimanded for causing sedition, and was used by the Salafis for their benefit. This is a group of teachers who used Diab as a scapegoat."

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20120304191519.htm

No one is even sure what the alleged defamation consisted of.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Ionnis on March 05, 2012, 01:06:16 AM
Metropolitan Gerasimos offered up prayers on behalf of the persecuted Christians in Egypt at the end of the Liturgy today. This is just awful!!!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 09, 2012, 12:24:53 AM
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Egyptian Court Sentences Priest from Attacked Church Building

Assailants uncharged, but clergyman gets six months in jail for building violation.

CAIRO, Egypt, March 7 (CDN)

— A priest in Egypt was sentenced this week to six months in jail for a minor construction violation at his church building, while no one in a mob that burned the same structure down has been arrested.


The Rev. Makarious Bolous of the Mar Gerges Church in Aswan was sentenced on Sunday (March 4), but neither the imams who called for the attack nor the Muslim villagers who destroyed the church building last September have been charged with any crime.


Bolous said the ruling, coupled with the absence of prosecution against those who burned down the church building, is clear evidence of persecution and a legal double standard between Christians and Muslims.

Read more here:

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/egypt/article_1436277.html

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 16, 2012, 11:35:56 PM
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300 Muslim Lawyers Storm Egyptian Court, Prevent Lawyers for Christian From Entering
by OCP on MARCH 16, 2012
in NEWS
By Mary Abdelmassih
Assyrian International News Agency
16/3/2012

(AINA) — More than 300 Muslim lawyers inside and outside a courthouse in the southern Egyptian province of Assuit today prevented defense lawyer Ahmad Sayed Gabali, who is representing the Christian Makarem Diab, from going into court. Mr. Diab was found guilty of ‘Insulting the Muslim Prophet’ and was scheduled today a hearing on his appeal.

Attorney Dr. Naguib Gabriell, head of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organization, said there was “terror in the Assiut Court today.” He added that he was on his way to court when he was advised that Muslim lawyers have issued death threats to any Christian lawyers who attend the court session. “Makram Diab was assaulted by Muslim lawyers during his transfer from the courtroom and security failed to protect him.”

Peter Sarwat, a Coptic lawyer, said that Muslim lawyers representing the plaintiffs prevented the defense team from entering court. “They said no Muslim will defend a Christian. It was agreed that Christian lawyers would take over and two Coptic lawyers volunteered, but the Muslims decided later that even Christians would not defend him.” Sarwat said the Muslim lawyers wanted to assault the chief judge but he managed to leave the court via a rear door.


Read more here:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/03/300-muslim-lawyers-storm-egyptian-court-prevent-lawyers-for-christian-from-entering/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 21, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (Uscirf) has released its latest report, which identifies the 16 worst countries in terms of religious persecution.  Egypt, of course is one if them:

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In many cases the persecution is at the hands of the government, as, for example, in China, Burma, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, but often, in places like Nigeria and Iraq, it is committed by religious extremists and vigilantes in the society who operate within a climate of impunity. In Pakistan and Egypt persecution is sponsored by all three — the authorities, extremist groups, and vigilantes.

Persecution is intensifying now in the Muslim world, as documented throughout the Uscirf report. Each year, the report’s cover reflects a signal event in the global landscape of religious persecution. This year’s bears a photo of Egyptian mourners gathered in central Cairo on October 13, 2011, in honor of some 25 Coptic Christians killed days before by the Egyptian military during a demonstration over an attack on a church. The commission decided it was important to single out the Copts. There are rising fears for them now that Egypt will be governed by Islamists, some of whom, notably from the sizeable Wahhabi or Salafist parliamentarian faction, have openly declared their intent of religious cleansing.



http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/03/the-worlds-worst-religious-persecutors-oped/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 23, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
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Salafist Leaders Celebrate Death of Coptic Pope in Egypt

I don't want to paste the horrible things some Salafi leaders are saying about His Holiness now that he has reposed in the Lord.  If anyone has the stomach to read it, they can do so here:

http://www.worldwatchlist.us/news/salafist-leaders-celebrate-death-of-coptic-pope-in-egypt/

The article does fortunately mention that most Muslims do not share those sentiments.

The last three paragraphs of the article are remarkable in what they report about one of the Salafi leaders, Sheik Wagdy Ghoneim:

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Shenouda was buried on Tuesday (March 20) in the Monastery of St. Bishoy in Wadi el-Natrun, with several thousand followers attending. Before Shenouda was buried, Naguib Ghobrial, lawyer and head of the Egyptian Union for Human Rights, filed suit on Monday (March 19) against Ghoneim for contempt of a revealed religion.


Undeterred, Ghoneim released a statement the next day denying any wrongdoing and issued a challenge to all Christians.


“You believe in your Bible and say its words are holy,” he concluded. [Your Bible teaches] ‘Love your enemies and bless all who curse you.’ Your enemies – you love them and those who curse you – you bless them. So I say, God curse you! Bless me now. Bless me. Isn’t this your religion? I am going to say it again – I am your enemy, and I say, God curse you. Now, say it, ‘We love you Wagdy. And God bless you Wagdy.’”
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on March 24, 2012, 12:10:27 AM
Challenge accepted. I will pray for you out of love, Mr. Ghoneim, in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the One God.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 24, 2012, 12:18:23 AM
I'll accept the challenge too, and pray for his salvation.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: kevlev on March 24, 2012, 12:45:01 AM
God bless our Christian brothers and sisters in Egypt; may their faithfulness and love of Christ in the face of persecution glorify God and bring all who witness their acts of faith to salvation!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on March 24, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
thanks, kevlev and welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 24, 2012, 12:13:40 PM
Welcome, kevlev!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: kevlev on March 24, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
Thank you for the hospitality, mabsoota and Salpy! May the Lord bless and keep you both!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on March 26, 2012, 08:50:45 AM
I don't know too much about this documentary and if it whitewashes things or deals with them honestly, but it looks interesting.

http://onehandthemovie.com/

And a belated welcome to the forum, kevlev.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 27, 2012, 12:24:02 AM
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Salafist Leaders Celebrate Death of Coptic Pope in Egypt

I don't want to paste the horrible things some Salafi leaders are saying about His Holiness now that he has reposed in the Lord.  If anyone has the stomach to read it, they can do so here:

http://www.worldwatchlist.us/news/salafist-leaders-celebrate-death-of-coptic-pope-in-egypt/

The article does fortunately mention that most Muslims do not share those sentiments.

The last three paragraphs of the article are remarkable in what they report about one of the Salafi leaders, Sheik Wagdy Ghoneim:

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Shenouda was buried on Tuesday (March 20) in the Monastery of St. Bishoy in Wadi el-Natrun, with several thousand followers attending. Before Shenouda was buried, Naguib Ghobrial, lawyer and head of the Egyptian Union for Human Rights, filed suit on Monday (March 19) against Ghoneim for contempt of a revealed religion.


Undeterred, Ghoneim released a statement the next day denying any wrongdoing and issued a challenge to all Christians.


“You believe in your Bible and say its words are holy,” he concluded. [Your Bible teaches] ‘Love your enemies and bless all who curse you.’ Your enemies – you love them and those who curse you – you bless them. So I say, God curse you! Bless me now. Bless me. Isn’t this your religion? I am going to say it again – I am your enemy, and I say, God curse you. Now, say it, ‘We love you Wagdy. And God bless you Wagdy.’”

Regarding the words of Sheikh Wagdy Ghoneim in the final paragraph, a columnist from Touchstone Magazine had this to say:

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During his illness, I and others in our church, along with Christians worldwide, prayed for Pope Shenouda asking God for his recovery. In a recent interview, Bishop Mouneer Anis, head of the Episcopal and Anglican Diocese of Egypt, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, said of Pope Shenouda, “He was a friend of many Muslim leaders. He was a peacemaker. He was even criticized by Christians for making peace with those who persecuted the church.” Shortly before his passing, Pope Shenouda’s last public meeting was with members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Pope Shenouda III left a powerful witness for the Lord Jesus Christ and a legacy of struggle for the freedom of persecuted Christians in Egypt. As our Lord taught, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” May the memory of this son of God, Pope Shenouda III, be eternal! As for Sheik Ghoneim, I am praying that he become a great Christian evangelist and apologist to the people of the Middle East. Perhaps even on his next trip to Damascus. Such things have happened before.

http://touchstonemag.com/merecomments/2012/03/coptic-christians-mourn-islamist-leaders-rejoice/#more-6007

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 04, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
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CAIRO- An Egyptian court on Wednesday sentenced a 17-year-old Christian boy to three years in jail for publishing cartoons on his Facebook page that mocked Islam and the Prophet Mohammad, actions that sparked sectarian violence.

Gamal Abdou Massoud was also accused of distributing some of his cartoons to his school friends in a village in the southern city of Assiut, home to a large Christian population and the hometown of the late Coptic Orthodox Pope Shenouda.

...

The cartoons, published by Massoud in December, prompted some Muslims to attack Christians. Several Christian houses were burned and several Christians were injured in the violence.


http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/04/egyptian-christian-17-gets-three-years-in-jail-for-facebook-cartoons-that-insulted-islam/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on April 05, 2012, 09:06:43 AM
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CAIRO- An Egyptian court on Wednesday sentenced a 17-year-old Christian boy to three years in jail for publishing cartoons on his Facebook page that mocked Islam and the Prophet Mohammad, actions that sparked sectarian violence.

Gamal Abdou Massoud was also accused of distributing some of his cartoons to his school friends in a village in the southern city of Assiut, home to a large Christian population and the hometown of the late Coptic Orthodox Pope Shenouda.

...

The cartoons, published by Massoud in December, prompted some Muslims to attack Christians. Several Christian houses were burned and several Christians were injured in the violence.


http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/04/egyptian-christian-17-gets-three-years-in-jail-for-facebook-cartoons-that-insulted-islam/
Lord have mercy! God guide and save Ghoneim!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 28, 2012, 02:31:11 PM
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EGYPTIAN PANEL DROPS MASPERO MASSACRE CASE FOR ‘LACK OF EVIDENCE’
by OCP on APRIL 28, 2012
in FEATURED NEWS,NEWS


On April 24 the panel of judges appointed by the Egyptian minister of justice to investigate the Maspero massacre of October 9, 2011, which claimed the lives of 27 Christians and injured 329, closed the case. In his explanation of the verdict, judge Sarwat Hammad said the case was closed for “lack of identification of the culprits” who killed the army conscript Mohammad Shata and nine protesters (all Christians) with ammunition, as well as attempting to break into a government building and assaulting military personnel.

Charges against 28 Christian Copts and prominent Muslim activist Alaa Abdel-Fatah, who were previously detained, were also dropped for lack of evidence, said the judge. According to their defense lawyers, most of the detainees were arrested after October 9, and some were not even at the Maspero protest and were collected from the streets for just being Christians. Three of them were teens under 16. The judge referred two Copts, Michael Adel Naguib and Michael Shaker, to the criminal court for allegedly stealing a heavy-duty machine gun from one of the military armored vehicle and “using it to kill Copts” during the Maspero protest. According to Naguib’s father, the army and police raided their home in the early hours two days after the massacre and found nothing at home. He said they beat his son and took him away in his underwear.

...

The second part of the case is the trial by a military court of three conscripts, who were driving the military armored vehicles which crushed 14 Copts under their wheels. They are charged with involuntary manslaughter, a misdemeanor which under the Penal Code carries penalties of imprisonment of not more than seven years. Eyewitnesses and video clips showed the armored vehicles chasing protesters over the pavements.

...

By Mary Abdelmassih© 2012, AINA


Read the whole article here:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/04/egyptian-panel-drops-maspero-massacre-case-for-lack-of-evidence/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on April 29, 2012, 01:44:17 PM
Lord have mercy and give our brothers and sisters strength.
 :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 09, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
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Egypt's Lost Daughters; the Abduction of Christian Girls

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Mary's parents stayed up throughout the night waiting anxiously for their daughter's return. Mary's father filed a report at the police station the next morning. He stayed at the station the entire day, determined to see that an investigation was being carried out. Late that afternoon, the police told him they had found his daughter.

Mary was escorted along with several other women into the station by four men in Islamic dress with long beards. The men were Salafis, a group that follows the strict doctrine of Wahhabi Islam from Saudi Arabia. Mary was covered head to toe in a burka. "[My husband] recognized her by her shoes," Magda told ICC.

Two armed policemen stood by, watching the father's every move. When he called Mary by name, a Muslim man hit her in the face. There was no answer.
...

Read the whole article here:

http://www.aina.org/news/201205912943.htm

It makes one sick.

The Copts in diaspora need to organize themselves better, to deal with what is going on in their homeland.  I think it would be possible to get other Christian organizations around the world on board.  A boycott of Egypt's tourist industry would be very appropriate, and not impossible.

The Armenians in diaspora organized after the Genocide, and the Republic of Turkey has not had any rest.  They still refuse to recognize the Genocide, and they are still very repressive toward what is left of their Christian and other minorities, but at least they don't have an easy time of it:

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/100343/

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Erdogan says Turks “are tired” of Armenian Genocide

March 26, 2012 - 13:26 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The issue of the Armenian Genocide was discussed at the meeting between U.S. President Barack Obama and Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on the sidelines of the nuclear summit in Seoul.

In particular, Erdogan complained to Obama about Turkey being tired of the Genocide problem.


http://www.aina.org/news/2012059012921.htm

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The Turkish Coalition of America (TCA) has been on a rampage in recent years, filing lawsuits against scholars, public officials, and civic groups who support the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

Last week, a federal appeals court put an end to TCA's legal tirade against the University of Minnesota by unanimously upholding a federal court's decision dismissing TCA's baseless allegations.

The Turkish advocacy group had filed a lawsuit against Prof. Bruno Chaouat, Director of the Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at the University of Minnesota, for labeling TCA's website and others as “unreliable.” The university's webpage had posted the following stern admonition to students: “We do not recommend these sites. Warnings should be given to students writing papers that they should not use these sites because of denial, support by an unknown organization, or contents that are a strange mix of fact and opinion.”
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: jnorm888 on May 09, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
Thanks for the link Salpy!

My Egyptian contact is upset with me at the moment and so I haven't been in touch with what's been going on for about a couple months now.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 10, 2012, 01:55:15 AM
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Egyptian Judge Frees Attackers Who Knifed Christian

Hard-line Salafi Muslims cut off Copt’s ear, terrorize his family.
ISTANBUL, May 9 (CDN) — A judge in Upper Egypt has dismissed all charges against a group of Salafi Muslims who cut off the ear of a Christian in a knife attack and tried to force him to convert.


The Salafists, who say they base their religion on the practices of the first three generations of Muslims after Muhammad, had falsely accused 46-year-old Ayman Anwar Metry of having an affair with a Muslim woman, the Christian told Compass. On April 22 the judge exonerated the assailants only after Metry, under intense pressure in a “reconciliation meeting,” agreed to drop charges, said his attorney, Asphoure Wahieb Hekouky.


“Him dropping the case and accepting the reconciliation meeting is shameful,” Hekouky said of the Egyptian justice system.


The same Salafi Muslims who attacked Metry terrorized him and his family for a year, Hekouky said.

Read what happened here:

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/egypt/article_1532636.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on May 13, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
may God have mercy and give them all perfect peace.
my friends came back from egypt recently.
things are very expensive and everyone is struggling.
there is massive youth unemployment and general lawlessness against both Christians and muslims.
in all this our brothers and sister are struggling the most.

may God bring us peace and wisdom and grant us a kind and wise leader who can show us have to live for Jesus in these difficult times.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on May 22, 2012, 06:41:37 AM

12 Copts sentenced to life in prison, 8 Muslims acquitted

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/12-copts-sentenced-life-imprisonment-8-muslims-acquitted-over-abu-qurqas-violence-news-1


Who’s Really Persecuting Christians?

Last month CBS’s “60 Minutes” show earned itself some justified criticism for a biased report about the treatment of Palestinian Christians by Israel. As Alana noted then, the premise of the piece — that routine security precautions on the part of Israeli forces has led to a decline in the Christian population in the West Bank — was preposterous. Why would Israeli measures cause Christian numbers to diminish but not affect the rapidly growing Muslim population? Only a determination to blame Israel for everything could have led the “60 Minutes” team to avoid the obvious explanation: the rise of militant Islam in traditional Christian strongholds that has gradually forced many Christians to flee the country. Israel remains the only country in the Middle East where the rights of the Christian minority — which is growing — are respected.

But the pushback against this calumny requires more background than just a fact check about the West Bank. The Gatestone Institute has published an important online monthly report about Muslim persecution of Christians throughout Asia and Africa and it makes for frightening reading. Even a brief summary of the litany of horrors being visited upon Christians by Muslims puts the ridiculous accusations against Israel in perspective.

* Attacks on churches took place in Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria, Sudan and Tunisia.

* Christians were threatened with death and imprisonment for “blasphemy” and apostasy in Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan. At the same time, Muslim terrorists have threatened Christian pastors in the Philippines.

* In a separate category called “dhimmitude,” the report discusses the “general abuse, debasement, and suppression of non-Muslims as tolerated citizens.” Such incidents were recorded in Egypt, India, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey.

The widespread scope of incidents of persecution throughout the Muslim world ought to alarm Christians in the West. But for some reason, it doesn’t. The Palestinians, whose goal is to eradicate the one Jewish state in the world, seem to generate more sympathy in Europe and America than the embattled Christians of the Third World.
All this took place in April of this year alone.

Those who purport to care about human rights undermine their already shaky credibility when they ignore the far greater instances of abuse of Christians by Arabs and Muslims while supporting the delegitimization of the one democracy in the Middle East as well as the one nation in the region that protects Christians.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/18/who-is-really-persecuting-christians-muslim/


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on May 22, 2012, 08:05:23 AM

12 Copts sentenced to life in prison, 8 Muslims acquitted

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/12-copts-sentenced-life-imprisonment-8-muslims-acquitted-over-abu-qurqas-violence-news-1


Who’s Really Persecuting Christians?

Last month CBS’s “60 Minutes” show earned itself some justified criticism for a biased report about the treatment of Palestinian Christians by Israel. As Alana noted then, the premise of the piece — that routine security precautions on the part of Israeli forces has led to a decline in the Christian population in the West Bank — was preposterous. Why would Israeli measures cause Christian numbers to diminish but not affect the rapidly growing Muslim population? Only a determination to blame Israel for everything could have led the “60 Minutes” team to avoid the obvious explanation: the rise of militant Islam in traditional Christian strongholds that has gradually forced many Christians to flee the country. Israel remains the only country in the Middle East where the rights of the Christian minority — which is growing — are respected.
BS.

To reach those conclusions the writer jumped over a few obvious facts-like Muslims also are emigrating, and that any emigration hits a minority (which the Christians are) harder.

As for the rise of militant Islam, the Zionists were the ones who funded Hamas in the first place (in an effort to divide and conquer the PLO.  Be careful what you wish for).

But the pushback against this calumny requires more background than just a fact check about the West Bank. The Gatestone Institute has published an important online monthly report about Muslim persecution of Christians throughout Asia and Africa and it makes for frightening reading. Even a brief summary of the litany of horrors being visited upon Christians by Muslims puts the ridiculous accusations against Israel in perspective.
there is no other Jewish nor Zionist state to compare.

* Attacks on churches took place in Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria, Sudan and Tunisia.

* Christians were threatened with death and imprisonment for “blasphemy” and apostasy in Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan. At the same time, Muslim terrorists have threatened Christian pastors in the Philippines.

* In a separate category called “dhimmitude,” the report discusses the “general abuse, debasement, and suppression of non-Muslims as tolerated citizens.” Such incidents were recorded in Egypt, India, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey.

The widespread scope of incidents of persecution throughout the Muslim world ought to alarm Christians in the West. But for some reason, it doesn’t. The Palestinians, whose goal is to eradicate the one Jewish state in the world, seem to generate more sympathy in Europe and America than the embattled Christians of the Third World.
uh, those Christians in Palestine are.....Palestinians.

All this took place in April of this year alone.

Those who purport to care about human rights undermine their already shaky credibility when they ignore the far greater instances of abuse of Christians by Arabs

and the Arab Christians?

and Muslims while supporting the delegitimization of the one democracy in the Middle East as well as the one nation in the region that protects Christians.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/18/who-is-really-persecuting-christians-muslim/
someone has his Zionist goggles on.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on May 23, 2012, 07:34:37 AM

@ialmisry

I thought you were going to say something on the 12 Egyptian Copts!

You don't seem to like Jews and Israel. You know what, the creation of the state of Israel is the best thing that happened in that part of the world for the past 1400 years. We Ethiopians love Jews and Israel!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on May 23, 2012, 09:11:49 AM

@ialmisry

I thought you were going to say something on the 12 Egyptian Copts!
not many facts presented to comment on.

You don't seem to like Jews and Israel. You know what, the creation of the state of Israel is the best thing that happened in that part of the world for the past 1400 years. We Ethiopians love Jews and Israel!
The Zionists' neighbors know them better.

I didn't say a thing against Jews.  Your Zionist goggles ar making you confuse Judaism with Zionism.

If the Ethiopians loved the Jews so much, why did the Falashas leave?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 23, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
Below is more on the story on the 12 Copts who were convicted, which is related to the subject matter of this thread.  A discussion on the treatment of Christians in Israel would belong in another section.


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On 21 May, Egypt's State Security Council sentenced 12 Christians to life in prison and acquitted eight Muslims.  The Christians were found guilty of sowing public strife, possession of illegal weapons, and killing two Muslims in an April 2011 episode of violence that took place in Minya province, about 220 kilometers south of Cairo. 

The violence was spurred on after a Muslim bus driver became angry over a speed bump in front of a wealthy Christian's home. The bus driver got into an argument with security guards who then beat him up.

After returning back to his village, Abu Qurqas, a group of Muslims gathered near an ultraconservative Islamist group's office to protest the beating. Christians nearby began to shoot at the crowd, killing two and injuring two, when they thought they were going to be attacked.  Following the attack, Muslim villagers burnt down several Christian homes and businesses.  The eight Muslims that were acquitted were charged with possession of illegal weapons and burning down Christian-owned homes and businesses.

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20120522122034.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 24, 2012, 11:00:57 PM
Another article on the incident:

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Many rights groups criticized the verdict as being "unbelievable" and "extremely harsh" towards the Copts. All the Muslims defendants, "who torched at least 56 Coptic homes, as well as businesses and barns, were acquitted," said Wagdi Halfa, defense attorney of the Coptic victims, in an interview aired yesterday by Coptic TV Channel. He expressed his incomprehension at how Coptic lawyer Alaa Reda Roushdi, who was not even in Abou Qorqas during the events, and then kept under house arrest by the police for another three days, could get life imprisonment.

Adel Roushdi, younger brother of Alaa Roushdi said during the same TV interview that the Islamists wanted to get rid of his brother because of the parliamentary elections, where his brother was sure to win. He accused the police chief in Abou Qorqas of planning the whole episode.

http://www.aina.org/news/20120524134813.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on May 25, 2012, 04:08:42 PM
Christians in Egypt: A storm within the storm
The country's 'orphaned' Coptic minority is still hurting seven months after 27 died at the hands of the military.
Lauren E. Bohn and Omnia Al Desoukie, May 23, 2012 10:40

Quote
But, as it turned out, Maspero was not so much a turning point for Copts as it was an open wound, and one that Mossad says is still healing. Copts have suffered discrimination throughout hundreds of years of history in Egypt. Individual Copts have also been great Egyptian nationalists and leading thinkers, industrialists and artists who are frequently quick to point out that Muslims and Christians are like brothers in Egypt. It’s a complex relationship – as fraught as any sibling rivalry. But what is clear as Egypt takes its first faltering steps toward electing a civilian president, is that a democracy and the constitution upon which it is based are defined in how the rights of minorities are protected. Today Copts are left wondering and worrying about their place in a new Egypt.


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/egypt/120523/christians-egypt-presidential-election (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/egypt/120523/christians-egypt-presidential-election)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on June 08, 2012, 09:32:22 AM


Egyptian Cleric: Sharia Law Would Make Egypt the ‘Mightiest Nation in the World’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-cleric-sharia-law-would-make-egypt-the-mightiest-nation-in-the-world/

Please, our Coptic brothers and sisters, leave Egypt now! Ethiopia owners of the Nile water know how to handle these messengers of Satan.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on June 24, 2012, 08:20:59 PM


Egyptian Cleric: Sharia Law Would Make Egypt the ‘Mightiest Nation in the World’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-cleric-sharia-law-would-make-egypt-the-mightiest-nation-in-the-world/

Please, our Coptic brothers and sisters, leave Egypt now! Ethiopia owners of the Nile water know how to handle these messengers of Satan.


God bless those who stay!

I'm wondering how soon the new president elect will be able to show what regime has taken power.  Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on June 25, 2012, 07:58:30 AM
All we can do now is pray.


Statement by His Grace Bishop Angaelos, General Bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the United Kingdom on the announcement of Mr Mohammed Morsi as the new president of Egypt on the 23rd June 2012.

http://www.copticcentre.blogspot.com/2012/06/statement-by-his-grace-bishop-angaelos.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 25, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
We definitely need to pray for our Christian brothers and sisters in Egypt.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Hiwot on June 25, 2012, 02:15:12 PM


Egyptian Cleric: Sharia Law Would Make Egypt the ‘Mightiest Nation in the World’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-cleric-sharia-law-would-make-egypt-the-mightiest-nation-in-the-world/

Please, our Coptic brothers and sisters, leave Egypt now! Ethiopia owners of the Nile water know how to handle these messengers of Satan.



Balthazar, you need to think about what you are saying my brother, you being a copt should know better than to suggest such a thing. Trust me when I say, that I will go and join my brothers and sisters in Egypt and die by the gates of Saint Mark before i suggest for all of them to abandon Egypt. Please Forget  about the Nile, and most Ethiopians that I have known are anti Zionism and sympathise with the plight of Palestinians both Christians and Muslims, and we very much love our Arab Christian brothers and sisters, we have Arab Christian Saints that have been baptised and served in the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, St. Abba Embaqom is one of them. I am sincerely troubled by your tone and insinuations, once again I will ask you I know you are in pain, but pain and suffering are the time where we must be more loyal to the principles that make us who and what we are, if we betray the tenants of our faith for the cup of madness offered to us, then whats the point of it all?

I am now in deep sadness at the result of the election, even though I have anticipated it, still it was difficult and painful all the same.The Copts and all the Christians in Egypt are now faced with a real danger, May the Almighty God, be with them and shelter them, this is not the first time they have carried the Cross He has blessed them with, and this will not be by the Grace of God the last, so with tears I join in the prayer of the church that if it be His will that they carry this cross,for the copts to continue to be granted the Grace of remaining a loyal servant and witness of Christ the Almighty.

Let us remember what our beloved Holy Father had said with compassionate wisdom, with tears, with much courage and strength of Faith.

 taken from HH Pope Shenouda's sermon in 2008  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESG-KO4QX88&feature=related
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on June 25, 2012, 05:38:25 PM


Egyptian Cleric: Sharia Law Would Make Egypt the ‘Mightiest Nation in the World’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-cleric-sharia-law-would-make-egypt-the-mightiest-nation-in-the-world/

Please, our Coptic brothers and sisters, leave Egypt now! Ethiopia owners of the Nile water know how to handle these messengers of Satan.



Balthazar, you need to think about what you are saying my brother, you being a copt should know better than to suggest such a thing. Trust me when I say, that I will go and join my brothers and sisters in Egypt and die by the gates of Saint Mark before i suggest for all of them to abandon Egypt. Please Forget  about the Nile, and most Ethiopians that I have known are anti Zionism and sympathise with the plight of Palestinians both Christians and Muslims, and we very much love our Arab Christian brothers and sisters, we have Arab Christian Saints that have been baptised and served in the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, St. Abba Embaqom is one of them. I am sincerely troubled by your tone and insinuations, once again I will ask you I know you are in pain, but pain and suffering are the time where we must be more loyal to the principles that make us who and what we are, if we betray the tenants of our faith for the cup of madness offered to us, then whats the point of it all?

I am now in deep sadness at the result of the election, even though I have anticipated it, still it was difficult and painful all the same.The Copts and all the Christians in Egypt are now faced with a real danger, May the Almighty God, be with them and shelter them, this is not the first time they have carried the Cross He has blessed them with, and this will not be by the Grace of God the last, so with tears I join in the prayer of the church that if it be His will that they carry this cross,for the copts to continue to be granted the Grace of remaining a loyal servant and witness of Christ the Almighty.

Let us remember what our beloved Holy Father had said with compassionate wisdom, with tears, with much courage and strength of Faith.

 taken from HH Pope Shenouda's sermon in 2008  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESG-KO4QX88&feature=related

Thank you, dear Hiwot for your considerate thoughts. I will certainly watch the video, I know, His Holiness is watching over his people from above, I am certain!

But, I don't know whether Abraham's bargain with God will work in the Egyptian case – I wish. (Genesis 18:16-33) But, Egypt, the past 1400 years, mostly meant trouble to the wider world. How long do you think God will go on      tolerating the evil deeds of  the Pharaoh-blooded, Ishmael-spirited Egyptians?

God is using the demonic forces of Islam as a sign for the righteous ones in Egypt to abandon that place. Sooner or later, God's wrath will fall upon Egypt, another ten plagues are on their way, and the Nile will again play an important role. That's my humble feeling.

Be angry and  not sin; do not let the sun go down on the cause of your anger.
Do not give the devil an opportunity (Ephesians 4:26-27)

So, let's all be righteously angry to demonstrate to those foolish evils that they are indeed fools and evils.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on June 27, 2012, 08:05:43 AM
Egypt: Muslims force Christians out of church during prayer, police advise priest to comply
by Raymond Ibrahim, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:35 pm

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2012/06/egypt-muslims-force-christians-out-of-church (http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2012/06/egypt-muslims-force-christians-out-of-church)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 01, 2012, 09:22:17 PM

Muslims murder two Christians in Egypt >:(

http://www.bosnewslife.com/22304-egypt-christians-killed-after-election-morsi

“Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood "announced they would destroy the country if Morsi didn't win, but they also said they will take revenge from all those who voted for [his opponent Ahmed] Shafiq, especially the Christians as they are sure we did vote for Shafiq,"

"Soon after Morsi won, Christians in upper Egypt were forcibly prevented from going to churches."

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on July 05, 2012, 08:16:17 AM
The Coptic Solidarity Conference Attracts Large Number of Politicians and Rights Activists
Published on Monday, 02 July 2012 17:53

The Third Annual Coptic Solidarity Conference which wound up its sessions on Friday June 29, was attended by an unprecedented number of prominent political figures.

Amongst the most prominent figures attending the conference was Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor Michael H. Posner. There was also a number of Congressmen such as Senator Roy Blunt and Congressman Frank Wolf. Also in attendance was Lord Alton from the British House of Lords and Jim Karygiannis, a senior member of the Canadian Parliament.


http://www.copticsolidarity.org/reports-resources/reports/675-the-coptic-solidarity-conference-attracts-large-number-of-politicians-and-rights-activists (http://www.copticsolidarity.org/reports-resources/reports/675-the-coptic-solidarity-conference-attracts-large-number-of-politicians-and-rights-activists)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 18, 2012, 09:31:11 PM
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WASHINGTON -- A new Christian Solidarity International (CSI) report released today calls on Egypt's Islamist government and the international community - especially the U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - to investigate and take strong measures to prevent the disappearance, forced marriage and forced conversion to Islam of Coptic Christian women and girls.

...

"Tell My Mother I Miss Her" was released in connection with today's Congressional Helsinki Commission hearing on violence against Coptic women in Egypt, chaired by Congressman Chris Smith. Speaking as a witness before the hearing, Professor Clark stated, "Coptic women in Egypt are disappearing from their homes, their schools and their jobs. These cases are not allegations."

The hearing also featured testimony from an Egyptian Christian woman who received asylum in the United States after narrowly escaping abduction in Alexandria in January 2011. She was rescued by a doorman who saw her and her infant daughter being dragged into a taxi by a man shouting that she was "an enemy of Islam."

...

www.marketwatch.com


http://www.aina.org/news/20120718183057.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 27, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
A Christian laundry worker burns the shirt of a Muslim, and Christian homes are burned:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_SECTARIAN_CLASHES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-27-14-53-51
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 31, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
According to this article, things have become worse for Copts since Morsy's election.  Ethnic cleansing of Copts is becoming more common:

http://www.aina.org/news/20120731192433.htm

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120 Christian Families Flee Egyptian Village Following Death of a Muslim

AINA) -- The sectarian strife between Muslims and Christians which took place last week in the village of Dahshur has prompted over 120 Christian families to flee their homes today after news that a Muslim man who had suffered 3rd degree burns in the incident died this morning in a Cairo hospital. Before his death, the father and brother of Moaz Hassab-Allah told the media yesterday that should he die, "the whole village will avenge his death."

Coptic villagers were terrorized today after a Muslim Brotherhood cleric roamed the village vowing that the village church of St. George will be burned down, its pastor and all the entire Christian inhabitants killed and their homes torched after the burial of Moaz tonight, reportd Coptic activist Maariam Ragy.


Two other incidents:

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In another incident in Shubra el Khayma, Qaliubya province, On July 26, Dr Maher Ghaly looked out from his window at dawn and asked a group of Muslim Salafis who have a shop in the same building not to fire their weapons in the air in celebration of another day of the Ramadan fast. He explained to them that in his household there are sick persons and children who are greatly disturbed. "Their answer was to shoot at him. One of his eyes was blown away and there is no hope of replacing the cornea in his other eye," said his brother Fayez. He said that the Muslims wanted to break the main building door and go to his flat but were unable. "Although the police issued a report, they have done nothing to arrest the culprits."

...

Two days ago, a Muslim attacked a church in the area of Sheikh Zayed, Qaliubya. Prosection did not make any charged against him as he is "mentally unstable," and was subsequently released.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 01, 2012, 09:28:17 AM
Just so its clear, the real cause was not some BS story about a burnt shirt. This is a deliberate, on-going effort to destroy every Christian owned business village by village, a slow motion Kristallnacht.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 02, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Another Copt has been arrested for insulting Islam, and also for insulting the new president.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/31/229494.html

It all stems from a cartoon on a Facebook page, which the person accused says he did not put there.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on August 02, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
Has the US Government done anything to prevent these acts?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 02, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
No.  The Copts here in the US really need to organize. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 03, 2012, 02:15:13 AM
Regarding the burnt shirt incident, the Coptic neighborhood was burned down, as the Muslim Brotherhood cleric promised:

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(AINA) -- The sectarian crisis in the village of Dahshur escalated on August 1 after the burial of the Muslim man who died yesterday in hospital. Hundreds of Muslims torched and looted Coptic businesses and homes despite hundreds of security forces being deployed in the village. Eyewitnesses reported that security forces did not protect most Coptic property -- only the small church of St. George was protected, in addition to some Coptic houses in its neighborhood.

"As 120 families had already fled the village the day before after being terrorized, the businesses and homes were an easy game for the mob to make a complete clean-up of everything that could be looted," said Coptic activist Wagih Jacob. "The security forces were at the scene of the crime while it was taking place and did nothing at all."

After the violence, the family of the deceased Moaz Hasab-Allah said that destroying Coptic property is not enough and that Coptic have to "pay for their son's death" with lives. They did not yet accept condolences for his death, which is a sign that a vendetta is intended. In certain parts of Egypt, when the family of a deceased intends to take revenge, they accept no condolences before the persons responsible are killed.

The sectarian incident which, now called the "shirt sedition," started on July 27 in Dahshur, Badrasheen, 40 km south of Cairo, after the Coptic launderer Sameh Samy inadvertently burned the shirt of his Muslim client Ahmad Ramadan. Although they agreed to meet in the evening to settle the claim, Ramadam did not wait but came back in the afternoon to fight. After some 3000 armed Muslims surrounded the Copt's home and launderette, he locked himself up in his home. As the fight intensified on both sides with Molotov cocktails, the Copt hurled one fire bomb from the roof of his house, which the 25-year-old Moaz, who happened to be passing by. He was taken to hospital, suffering third degree burns. After his death in hospital, Muslim brotherhood clerics and his family vowed to exact revenge, causing 120 terrorized Christian families to flee the village, with only one Christian family remaining behind according to the village priest Takla Abdel-Sayed.

Read the rest of the article here, including allegations that President Morsi is not living up to his promise to protect the Copts:

http://www.aina.org/news/20120802201306.htm

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 03, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
So much for citizenship rights 
by Sameh Samy, Friday 03 Aug 2012 - 02:26 PM
 
excerpt:

In Dahshur, the matter was compounded by the security order that the Copts must, for their own safety leave. Can this be a case of security deficiency, or uncontainable fanaticism? Will the culprits who killed, looted, and burned be caught? Will it be possible for the Copts to go back to their homes and businesses? And if so, who will help them rebuild these homes or restart their businesses from scratch? Or will it be impossible for them to go back, and it should be good-by forever to ‘previous’ prosperous lives? Will they be obliged to relocate, with the all the pain, hardship and alienation such a move involves? Nothing short of a comprehensive solution can put an end to the Dahshur crisis and ensure that no similar event occurs again.

http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=29630
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 07, 2012, 07:40:52 AM
Fact-finding on Maspero  
Nader Shukry, Tuesday 07 Aug 2012 - 12:31 PM

excerpt:

The Maspero incident, in which 23 Copts and one Muslim met brutal deaths, took place on 9 October 2011 during a peaceful protest by Copts against the burning of a church in Merinab, Aswan. The protesters were shot be the security forces, and crushed under military trucks. Apart from the 24 who lost their lives, more than 300 suffered injuries.

At its offices in Heliopolis, the committee heard witnesses from among the injured and the victims’ families.

The committee's chairman, Judge Ayman Afifi, called upon the eyewitnesses who had not appeared before the commission to come forward with their testimonies, and to furnish the commission with any photos or video shots they might have of the event. The final report is expected by the end of the month.


http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=29788 (http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=29788)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 14, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
In Dahshur: Ruin beyond repair  
Robier al-Faris , Friday 10 Aug 2012 - 07:09 PM
 
The Giza town of Dahshur was designated by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site in 1979, since it is home to five of the most famous pyramids of ancient Egypt. Today, and thanks to the recent vicious attack against the town Copts, Dahshur is a place of total ruin.

http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=29913 (http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=29913)

For a picture album of the visit, see
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.401803619874313.102337.131810520206959&type=1  (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.401803619874313.102337.131810520206959&type=1)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 14, 2012, 08:55:19 AM
Has the US Government done anything to prevent these acts?

Sad to say, but the US Gov't has actively supported the Ikhwan's rise to power. It's absolute insanity.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 21, 2012, 07:49:46 AM
Copts in Upper Egypt Attacked, Beat, Plundered
By Coptic Solidarity, Published on Monday, 20 August 2012 14:32

Christian Copts in Upper Egypt are under attack, hours after a call for their eradication appeared in the form of leaflets calling on Muslims to kill Copts, specifically naming regions of Upper Egypt.

A report by Fady Talaat, for Al Akhbar News, published August 14, has the details. In Al Gallaweya Village, Sohag, Upper Egypt, Christians are being beaten, their stores destroyed, and their properties plundered. The attackers are declaring that “any Christian who dares to leave his house will be killed”; and the Copts are complaining that the police only arrive after the damage has been completely done.


http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/784-copts-in-upper-egypt-attacked-beat-plundered (http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/784-copts-in-upper-egypt-attacked-beat-plundered)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Cyrillic on August 21, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
What makes it even worse is that this is happening in the country of Athanasius, Anthony, Cyril, John the Almsgiver and so many other great luminaries  :'(

I have the greatest respect for the Copts.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 03, 2012, 03:46:36 PM
This one is just stupid:

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CHRISTIAN SURGEON’S HEART OP CENTRE UNDER THREAT FROM MUSLIMS IN EGYPT


A charitable medical centre that performs free heart operations on children in Egypt is under threat from radical Muslims, who want it closed down because it was founded by a Christian surgeon.

The centre in Aswan city was established by the world-renowned cardiothoracic surgeon, Sir Magdi Habib Yacoub, an Egyptian Christian who emigrated to Britain in 1962. His charitable organisation covers all the centre’s costs, and operations are performed on Christian and Muslim children alike free of charge.

The centre’s Muslim director was interviewed on Egyptian television about the protests by radical elements in Aswan. She said that closing down the centre, which is licensed and has a government permit to practise, would be a big loss for Egypt.

http://barnabasfund.org/US/News/Archives/Christian-surgeons-heart-op-centre-under-threat-from-Muslims-in-Egypt.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on September 03, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
What a bunch of morons. They hate Christians more than they love free heart surgeries for children. It boggles the mind. If you're a skilled surgeon, and you volunteer to save my life FOR FREE, I don't care who you pray to once you put the scalpel down.

This kind of thing really makes me wonder how radical Islam has any appeal at all. "Join us! We'll close down hospitals that do charitable work FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE, all because the person who founded them, who doesn't even live in this country anymore but still directs hundreds of thousands of dollars to keeping our children healthy, is not a member of our religion!"

Thank God so many Copts go into medicine and pharmacy. Perhaps then if all of the radical Muslims boycott those services, they'll realize very quickly how much they need Christians in their societies to provide basic services that, surprise surprise, protesting and burning things down does not provide.

They will rue the day they closed the hospital when one of their children needs a heart operation. Ever wonder why Yasser Arafat, pride of Islamic resistance losers the world over, died in France, not Palestine? You'd think they'd want medical expertise available in-country, but nooooo, not if the people providing it don't bow to the name of Muhammad and his sick recension of God. God willing, they will learn their lesson without too many innocents having to die in the process, but that's not how things have been going these last, let's say, 1400 years... >:(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: WeldeMikael on September 03, 2012, 05:06:36 PM
What a bunch of morons. They hate Christians more than they love free heart surgeries for children.

Bigotry...   :-\

Lord have mercy !
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on September 12, 2012, 12:46:43 PM
Persecution of Christian Copts in Egypt on Rise as Muslim Brotherhood Consolidates Power
By Michael Terheyden, 8/27/2012

KNOXVILLE, TN (Catholic Online) - There is growing fear among the Coptic Christian community as open violence escalates against them in Egypt. According to reports, this violence is in response to a letter calling on Muslims to kill Copts. Again, the world watches to see if Egypt's new president, Mohammed Mursi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, intends to follow up on his promise to be the president of all Egyptians.

On August 14, 2012, a publication called El Fegr posted a copy of a letter inciting violence against Christians. The title of the letter is "An Urgent and Important Notice." The letter refers to Christians as enemies of Allah's religion and slaves of the cross. It calls for Allah to curse them and for all Muslims to physically attack or kill Christians throughout Egypt until they either convert to Islam or submit to their status as dhimmi in accordance with verse 9:29 of the Koran.


http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=47348
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Shanghaiski on September 12, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
Has the US Government done anything to prevent these acts?

And it won't. The US follows Britain and France in actually supporting Islamism, although it supports Zionism first. It won't interfer to protect Christians.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Shanghaiski on September 12, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
This one is just stupid:

Quote
CHRISTIAN SURGEON’S HEART OP CENTRE UNDER THREAT FROM MUSLIMS IN EGYPT


A charitable medical centre that performs free heart operations on children in Egypt is under threat from radical Muslims, who want it closed down because it was founded by a Christian surgeon.

The centre in Aswan city was established by the world-renowned cardiothoracic surgeon, Sir Magdi Habib Yacoub, an Egyptian Christian who emigrated to Britain in 1962. His charitable organisation covers all the centre’s costs, and operations are performed on Christian and Muslim children alike free of charge.

The centre’s Muslim director was interviewed on Egyptian television about the protests by radical elements in Aswan. She said that closing down the centre, which is licensed and has a government permit to practise, would be a big loss for Egypt.

http://barnabasfund.org/US/News/Archives/Christian-surgeons-heart-op-centre-under-threat-from-Muslims-in-Egypt.html

Their false prophet Mohammed is also tainted, being taught by and having associated with Christians.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 23, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
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RAFAH, Egypt, Sept. 21 (UPI) — Coptic Christians in two towns in Egyptian-controlled North Sinai say they refuse to leave despite threats against them and their church’s urging to go.

Leaflets were posted on the homes and businesses of seven families in Rafah and Arish, threatening to blow up the properties if they didn’t leave, the Cairo newspaper al-Masry al-Youm reported Friday.

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/09/copts-refuse-to-leave-despite-threats/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: TITL on September 23, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
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RAFAH, Egypt, Sept. 21 (UPI) — Coptic Christians in two towns in Egyptian-controlled North Sinai say they refuse to leave despite threats against them and their church’s urging to go.

Leaflets were posted on the homes and businesses of seven families in Rafah and Arish, threatening to blow up the properties if they didn’t leave, the Cairo newspaper al-Masry al-Youm reported Friday.

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/09/copts-refuse-to-leave-despite-threats/

Why is it that news like this can spread like wildfire all over the world, but still can't be prevented? Usually destruction happens because "it was too late", or "no one knew it was coming", but here we are in America reading about someone's house about to be blown up, and we can't stop it???
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 03, 2012, 08:07:07 AM
EGYPT'S COPTS HOSTAGE TO MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD THREATS
By Michael Carl, Published on Sunday, 30 September 2012 08:02

Coptic Christians were warned if they protested against Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi during his visit to the U.S., they would suffer, reports from Egypt said.

The speech is over, but the retaliation is happening anyway.

Egyptian human rights activist and journalist Wagih Yacoub says protests or not, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is acting on those threats.

"We've seen it today. People are going to the Sinai, shooting at Christian's shops. They're telling the people to leave their homes," Yacoub said. "It's especially because they are Christians."



http://www.copticsolidarity.org/media-news-events/news/868-egypt-s-copts-hostage-to-muslim-brotherhood-threats (http://www.copticsolidarity.org/media-news-events/news/868-egypt-s-copts-hostage-to-muslim-brotherhood-threats)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 08, 2012, 09:28:59 PM
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(AINA) -- Mohammad Mostafa Kamel, a Muslim prosecutor at the Alexandria Criminal Court, and his two sons, aided by some hired Muslims, broke into the church of the St. Mary in Rashid at 4 PM today and demolished a great part of its alter. They came to the church with front loaders.

Kamel had no demolition order.


Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20121008001210.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 09, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
What 2011 meant for Egypt's Copts

October 9th 2011, a year ago today, Egypt witnessed a massacre against it's own people, committed by army soldiers, police and thugs, manipulated by State media and covered up by the Supreme Council of Armed forces. Today, many people are remembering this day with testimonies, blogs, and vigils for the victims, may they all rest in peace.
To mark this day, which I was lucky enough to walk out of safely and unharmed, is a simple documentation of incidents of violence against copts through out the year 2011. It is a vivid and telling truth to what the revolution has meant for many, the government's failure in protecting it's people, the systematic attack against the coptic community in Egypt, the army's crimes against protestors and unarmed civilians, and the continued denial of justice.

http://sarahngb.blogspot.com/2012/10/what-2011-meant-for-egypts-copts.html#!/2012/10/what-2011-meant-for-egypts-copts.html (http://sarahngb.blogspot.com/2012/10/what-2011-meant-for-egypts-copts.html#!/2012/10/what-2011-meant-for-egypts-copts.html)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 09, 2012, 02:40:50 PM
thank you for reminding us of this aniversary, may their memory be eternal and may God bring comfort to all those who are remembering this day with pain.
may the luminous martyrs remember us before the throne of God.
is this your own blog, coptogeek?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 09, 2012, 07:58:14 PM
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/55044/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Mina-Danial-The-untold-story-of-a-revolutio.aspx

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Tarek El-Tayeb, 25, had always hated Christians. He was known among his friends as Tarek “El-Salafi” as he followed the ultraorthodox school of Islam.

"I joined the Salafist school of Islam when I was 13 years old," remembers El-Tayeb. "According to my ideology, Christians were heretics and being a friend with any of them was a grave sin."

All of this changed when he met Coptic Christian activist Mina Danial.


...

"I never told him how I felt about Christians," says El-Tayeb. "He would sometimes tell me that he loved me and I would respond by saying that I hate him. It was just hard for me to get rid of these fanatical ideas all at once. It took time."

Since becoming a Salafist, El-Tayeb made sure he was civil to his Christian neighbors and colleagues, however, being friends with a Christian was simply out of the question. Danial was different.

"I just could not hate him. For the first time in my life, I found that I could not hate a Christian. I could not put this barrier of religion between me and him," El-Tayeb explains, "The emotions I felt towards him destroyed all of these shackles. I didn’t understand it then and I still don’t understand it now. What is it about Danial that made him have this impact on people?"

...

"The Muslim Brotherhood, for one, are all hypocrites," fumes El-Tayeb. "On a personal level they call Mina a heretic, but publicly, they claim that he is a martyr."

El-Tayeb has abandoned Salafism since Mina’s death. He now considers himself a "moderate Egyptian Muslim." He is proud that he now has many Christian friends.

"Mina opened the door for me. He taught me what humanity meant," says El-Tayeb. "He opened my eyes and I finally saw Christians as they really are: good people, kind, charitable and not corrupt as the extremists claimed."

As for Mina, everyone loved him.

"How can a man win so many hearts, unless God loves him?" asks El-Tayeb. "There is only one Mina."
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on October 09, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/55044/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Mina-Danial-The-untold-story-of-a-revolutio.aspx

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Tarek El-Tayeb, 25, had always hated Christians. He was known among his friends as Tarek “El-Salafi” as he followed the ultraorthodox school of Islam.

"I joined the Salafist school of Islam when I was 13 years old," remembers El-Tayeb. "According to my ideology, Christians were heretics and being a friend with any of them was a grave sin."

All of this changed when he met Coptic Christian activist Mina Danial.


...

"I never told him how I felt about Christians," says El-Tayeb. "He would sometimes tell me that he loved me and I would respond by saying that I hate him. It was just hard for me to get rid of these fanatical ideas all at once. It took time."

Since becoming a Salafist, El-Tayeb made sure he was civil to his Christian neighbors and colleagues, however, being friends with a Christian was simply out of the question. Danial was different.

"I just could not hate him. For the first time in my life, I found that I could not hate a Christian. I could not put this barrier of religion between me and him," El-Tayeb explains, "The emotions I felt towards him destroyed all of these shackles. I didn’t understand it then and I still don’t understand it now. What is it about Danial that made him have this impact on people?"

...

"The Muslim Brotherhood, for one, are all hypocrites," fumes El-Tayeb. "On a personal level they call Mina a heretic, but publicly, they claim that he is a martyr."

El-Tayeb has abandoned Salafism since Mina’s death. He now considers himself a "moderate Egyptian Muslim." He is proud that he now has many Christian friends.

"Mina opened the door for me. He taught me what humanity meant," says El-Tayeb. "He opened my eyes and I finally saw Christians as they really are: good people, kind, charitable and not corrupt as the extremists claimed."

As for Mina, everyone loved him.

"How can a man win so many hearts, unless God loves him?" asks El-Tayeb. "There is only one Mina."
Thank you for posting this!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on October 09, 2012, 08:38:18 PM
Yes, thank you for posting that. It is good to see Christians having such a positive impact on their Muslim acquaintances.

I've had Muslim acquaintances (I dunno if I can call them 'friends' given Islam's hangups about Muslims and Christians being friends...it doesn't really seem like we have the same ideas of how we should relate to each other) tell me that I helped them see Christianity in a different light, and on one hand I guess it's flattering or whatever, but on the other hand it's a little unnerving to be a token, essentially. "X is bad...oh, but not you, my friend...you're one of the good X's." Um...thank you? :-\ It's kind of uncomfortable, because the sense of being an ambassador for your religion and community is heightened, and if you end up in a disagreement it can all fall part pretty quickly. "You were so good when you agreed with everything I already think! Now the Christians/Buddhists/Muslims etc. show their true colors..."  >:(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 09, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
To me, it seems fitting to consider a certain holiness in Mina Danial guided for general goodness of others without imposing his religious views.  He taught how to be a good citizen, by doing good to others, even though if by virtue of his religious upbringing, but more so by virtue of his humanity.  He didn't convert the Salafi to a Christian, no doubt (at least perhaps not yet), but he did achieve to convert the Salafi's heart, a hope that destroys and refutes any notion that the Civil Rights Movement in Egypt is to no avail and much different than any other Civil Rights Movements in other parts of the world.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on October 10, 2012, 11:34:04 AM
Mina Daniel is an excellent young man who fought for the cause of Copts and secular Egypt in general. He will be remembered among Copts as a small version of Che Guevara. He is a martyr of Egypt.

Yet, the road to political saints and demonstration martyrs is not clear, given the violence in their actions and their very cause of revolution. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on October 11, 2012, 08:30:40 AM
Mina Daniel is an excellent young man who fought for the cause of Copts and secular Egypt in general. He will be remembered among Copts as a small version of Che Guevara. He is a martyr of Egypt.

Yet, the road to political saints and demonstration martyrs is not clear, given the violence in their actions and their very cause of revolution. 
I'm not entirely certain it's advisable to compare him to Che.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on October 11, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Mina Daniel is an excellent young man who fought for the cause of Copts and secular Egypt in general. He will be remembered among Copts as a small version of Che Guevara. He is a martyr of Egypt.

Yet, the road to political saints and demonstration martyrs is not clear, given the violence in their actions and their very cause of revolution. 
I'm not entirely certain it's advisable to compare him to Che.

A small version of Che.   

It is all relative in the end.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 12, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Mina Daniel is an excellent young man who fought for the cause of Copts and secular Egypt in general. He will be remembered among Copts as a small version of Che Guevara. He is a martyr of Egypt.

Yet, the road to political saints and demonstration martyrs is not clear, given the violence in their actions and their very cause of revolution. 
I'm not entirely certain it's advisable to compare him to Che.

I think Stavro just means all the artwork & graffiti appearing around Cairo with Mina's image. I don't think he's comparing Mina's character to that Communist thug and murderer.  But, yes, most of Egypt's youth have been indoctrinated with Leftist ideology so many of them would see that thug as a hero & base some of the Martyr's images on him.  If you do a google image search, you'll get the picture.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 12, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
The Christian Exodus From Egypt
For Copts, a persecuting dictator was preferable to the Islamist mob
By SAMUEL TADROS

Visit any Coptic church in the United States and you immediately recognize the newcomers. You see it in their eyes, hear it in their broken English, sense it in how they cling to the church in search of the familiar. They have come here escaping a place they used to call home, where their ancestors had lived for centuries.

Waves of Copts have come here from Egypt before, to escape Gamal Abdel Nasser's nationalizations or the growing Islamist tide. Their country's transformation wasn't sudden, but every year brought more public Islamization. As the veil spread, Coptic women felt increasingly different, alien and marked. Verbal abuse came from schoolteachers, bystanders in the bus station who noticed the cross on a wrist, or commentators on state television.

But life was generally bearable. Hosni Mubarak crushed the Islamist insurgency of the 1980s and '90s. He was no friend to the Copts, but neither was he foe. His police often turned a blind eye when Coptic homes and shops were attacked by mobs, and the courts never punished the perpetrators—but the president wasn't an Islamist. He even interfered sometimes to give permission to build a church, or to make Christmas a national holiday.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444358804578014733288327450.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444358804578014733288327450.html)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 17, 2012, 10:44:13 PM
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Muslim Gang Attempts to Kidnap Egyptian Christian Mother, 4 Dead

(AINA) -- Ali Hussein, a 35-year-old Muslim gang leader, entered the home of a Coptic Christian family in the village of Abdelmassih in Deir Mawas on at 7 A.M. on Sunday and demanded that Hiyam Zaki Zaher, the 25 year old mother of two children, come live with him. Ali Hussein was accompanied by his two brothers, both ex-convicts. Two weeks before Ali Hussein told the Marzouk family that he would either take the woman or they would have to pay him 1,000,000 Egyptian pounds.

"The family managed to get Hiyam out of the village one day before Ali Hussein came to their house," said Roshdy Ibrahim, a relative of the Marzouk family. He said that when Hussein went into the home he was met by 24-year-old family member Ephrem, a university graduate, who rejected his demand, upon which Hussein shot him twice, killing him instantly. Roushdy said that Hussein had instructed 120 of his men to wait outside and come in and start shooting if they heard gunfire.

After the shooting of Ephrem the gang broke into the house. They encountered the father, 61 year-old Ibrahim Marzouk, a retired village bank manager, and killed him. They shot everywhere, wounding another three family members on the roof. Although Hussein was also killed under the hail of bullets, it is not clear who shot him.

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20121017202832.htm

This is truly sickening.  According to the article, the Salafis tried to keep the Copts from burying their dead, and are now calling for revenge for the death of the Muslim gang leader.  The Muslim gang also went into the stables and shot all the animals belonging to the Coptic family.  Evidently this gang leader had been terrorizing the local Coptic villagers for a couple of years, and the authorities refused to do anything about him.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 18, 2012, 01:43:41 AM
Also this:

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Egyptian Teacher Cuts Girls' Hair For Not Wearing Headscarf

LUXOR, Egypt (AP) -- A teacher in southern Egypt punished two 12-year-old schoolgirls for not wearing the Muslim headscarf by cutting their hair, the father of one girl said Wednesday, in an incident that stokes concerns over personal rights following the rise of Islamist political movements.

The governor of Luxor province where the incident occurred called the teacher's actions "shameful" and said she had been transferred to another school. But rights groups say that some Islamic conservatives have been emboldened by the success of groups like Muslim Brotherhood and the ultraconservative Salafi trend in parliamentary and presidential elections and have been increasingly brazen about forcing their standards on other Egyptians.

The incident follows a surge in legal cases against Egyptians, mostly Christians, who allegedly showed contempt for religion. The trial of one, Alber Saber, opened Wednesday but was postponed.


http://www.aina.org/news/20121017193620.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on October 27, 2012, 02:41:53 AM
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I think Stavro just means all the artwork & graffiti appearing around Cairo with Mina's image. I don't think he's comparing Mina's character to that Communist thug and murderer

Depends on which version of Che you like to adapt.

The legacy of Che can be discussed in a separate topic, but I meant the comparison in a very positive sense.

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But, yes, most of Egypt's youth have been indoctrinated with Leftist ideology

No.

Anyone born after 1970 in Egypt would have been raised in an Islamic environment and Islamic ideology became the center of the social and political system. The left and right has to be defined with political Islam in the center.   

The youth who started the revolution before Islamists took over were leftist in that sense, liberated from the influence of political Islam and aiming toward as secular Egypt with the slogans of the French Revolutions on their banners. Mina was one of those and they are the exception.


     





Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 29, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
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(AINA) -- Yesterday Muslim Salafis assaulted Christians after Sunday mass, angry that Christians from neighboring villages who have no churches attend mass in the village of Tala, el Fashn, in the Beni Suef Governorate. The pastor of St Georges Church Father Cheroubim Chehab could not go out of church for hours after mass.

Eyewitnesses reported that as Christians left the church, they found a huge mob of mostly young Salafi Muslims waiting for them, armed with batons. The assault lead to 5 Copts being hospitalized after suffering broken limbs, and the torching of two cars which transported the congregation from the other villages.


http://www.aina.org/news/20121029195111.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 01, 2012, 10:14:18 PM
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(AINA) -- Although the abduction and forced Islamization of Coptic Christian minor girls in Egypt is quite common (AINA 8-11-2009), especially with the rise of Islamists in Egypt after the Muslims Brotherhood took over governing the country, the case of 14-year old Sarah has caused a stir.

Sarah Ishaq Abdelmalek, born on August 1, 1998 in the town of el-Dabaa, 130 kilometers from Mersa Matrouh, was on her way to school with her cousin Miriam on Sunday, September 30, when they stopped at a bookshop. Miriam want ahead of Sarah to school, leaving Sarah at the bookstore. No one has seen Sarah ever since.

After filing a missing person report with the police, her father received a call to tell him that he will never see his daughter again.

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20121101201755.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on November 01, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on November 03, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
may God give them great strength to pass through this hard time.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 22, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
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When Alber Saber's mother called police to protect him from a mob baying for his blood, something odd happened: they arrested him. They then threw him in prison, encouraged his cellmates to attack him, and finally took him to court where he was jailed for three months.

Mr Saber's alleged offence was all the more significant in light of the new constitution – being voted on by millions of Egyptians on Saturday – that is at the heart of Egypt's political crisis.

The mob in his Cairo suburb accused him of atheism and disrespect of the Prophet Mohammed, and demanded he be killed; a neighbour had alleged he had posted to his Facebook page the now notorious Islam-mocking video that triggered protests across the world in September.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9762805/Egypt-constitutional-vote-Things-are-definitely-worse-than-under-the-old-regime.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 15, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
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Cairo -- The criminal court of Beni Suef (115 km south of Cairo) has sentenced an entire family to prison for converting to Christianity. Nadia Mohamed Ali and her children Mohab, Maged, Sherif, Amira, Amir, and Nancy Ahmed Mohamed abdel-Wahab will spend 15 years in prison. Seven other people involved in the case were sentenced to five years in prison.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130115124842.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 15, 2013, 10:43:17 PM
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(AINA) -- Hundreds of Muslims came out of mosques today with hammers and destroyed a social services building belonging to the Coptic Church while chanting Islamic slogans. Security forces arrived after the building was completely razed. The 100 square meters social services building in the village of Fanous, Tamia district in Fayoum province, 130 KM south west of Cairo, had all the necessary government permits; it had a reception hall on the first floor and a kindergarten on the second.

But the Muslims insisted that it would become a church.

A meeting had taken place beforehand between the village mayor and elders from Muslim and Coptic sides and it was agreed that only the first floor was to remain and the second be demolished.

Mosques in surrounding villages called on their microphones this afternoon on Muslims to go and help their Muslim brethrens in the village of Fanous, because Christians were "building a church." According to rights activist Nader Shukry of Maspero Coptic Youth Organizations, nearly 5000 Muslims took part in demolishing the church property with their hammers, while shouting "Allahu Akbar." He said no one was arrested, not even the imams who called on Muslims to demolish the building; their calls fall under the crime of "enticement to violence."

http://www.aina.org/news/20130115185246.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on January 16, 2013, 06:18:25 AM
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Cairo -- The criminal court of Beni Suef (115 km south of Cairo) has sentenced an entire family to prison for converting to Christianity. Nadia Mohamed Ali and her children Mohab, Maged, Sherif, Amira, Amir, and Nancy Ahmed Mohamed abdel-Wahab will spend 15 years in prison. Seven other people involved in the case were sentenced to five years in prison.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130115124842.htm

Very sad! :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Cyrillic on January 16, 2013, 06:33:57 AM
Sigh.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on January 19, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
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(AINA) -- Thousands of Muslims from Marashda and surrounding villages attacked eight Coptic homes and businesses, including five pharmacies, which were looted and torched. Coptic-owned cars were also torched. The attack on the Christians was caused by rumor that a 55-year-old Coptic man, Nader Masoud, sexually assaulted a 6-year-old Muslim girl.

The Attacks on the village, which has a majority Christian population, started yesterday after 10 PM, when several Coptic businesses were torched, and Church of Abu Fam had its cross demolished and its glass smashed.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130118184819.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 03, 2013, 03:16:47 AM
Another kidnapping of a Coptic girl, but this time she was released due to publicity surrounding her case:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130202195322.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: psalm110 on February 03, 2013, 07:28:18 AM
What is goin on in Egypt again ??. and How are the Coptic people reacting to all this ? Are they rioting too ?. or staying indoors ?.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 03, 2013, 01:52:51 PM
the coptic people are fasting and praying.
many neighbours see this and wonder from where the people get their strength and courage.
we don't talk about it much as we are aware too much talk can make things worse.
many friends of mine have travelled to egypt recently (business, weddings, funerals etc) and say the situation is delicate but people are living there and trusting God and He gives them the strength to go on.

above all it is good to pray for Christians who suffer.
prayer and fasting are the tools of our spiritual struggle.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 10, 2013, 11:54:22 PM
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A flow of refugees from Syria and Egypt is pouring into Moscow to escape from wars and violence in their country of origin bringing to light the inadequacy of facilities for the reception of immigrants in Russia. The complaint has been made by a veteran in migrant assistance, the president of the 'Civic Assistance Committee', Svetlana Gannushkina. In the past week a family of 10 Coptic Christians, including a child a few months old, presented themselves in their office.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130205165004.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 12, 2013, 09:52:05 PM
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An Egyptian court is forcing two Coptic Christian boys, ages 10 and 9, to stand trial for "insulting the Quran," reports confirmed this week.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130212130446.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 15, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
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(AINA) -- On Friday evening Muslims in the village of Sarsena, Tamiya district in Fayoum province (103 KM southwest of central Cairo) set fire to the church of St. George and hurled stones at it, causing damage to its dome; they broke the cross on top of the dome, demolished parts of its interior and defaced and destroyed its icons. This was prompted by Salafists Muslims who instigated the villagers to attack the church because the church is "an unlawful neighbor to the Muslims who live adjacent to it and must therefore be moved." They demanded the relocation of the church away from Muslim homes and are not allowing its priest Pastor Domadios to enter the church. All these events were witnessed by the security authorities but they did nothing to stop the attack.

The church was built in the mid-1980s and serves nearly 200 Coptic families. Three months ago the Muslims made a hole in the church to monitor the activities inside. Yesterday the Muslims said the church has to move and refused an offer from the church to buy the home of the Muslim neighbor. The Muslims also demanded the church not use a small plot of land it owns as a kindergarten.

The Muslim neighbor increased the size of the monitoring hole in the church to over one square meter.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130215203037.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 17, 2013, 02:33:40 PM
Lord have mercy.

may the martyrs of fayoum pray for them.

thank God for those who stand up against the violence.

Muslims tried to assault Father Domadios and threw stones at him, but he was saved by a Muslim family who brought him away from the village in their car.
(quote from the same article).

may God bring peace to the hearts of those whose hearts are empty.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 20, 2013, 12:27:25 AM
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ASSIUT, Egypt (AP) — Hundreds of Muslim villagers in Egypt's south have attacked Christian-owned stores in search of a girl whose family claims was abducted.

...

Bani Suef's prosecutor, Hamdi Farouk, said there was no reason to believe Christians were involved in her disappearance.
Security chief Ibrahim Hudeib said the girl left her house with her gold and passport in hand and may have fled with a local Muslim boy.

http://news.yahoo.com/muslims-attack-christians-egypts-south-205610047.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 21, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
A political tangent was split off and put in the Private Forum.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,50627.msg899618.html#msg899618

Anyone who wants access to the Private Forum needs to pm Fr. George and ask him for admission.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 21, 2013, 11:19:41 PM
More on the story from a couple of days ago:

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Egytian Muslims Accuse Priest of Using Black Magic on Muslim Girl

(AINA) -- Hundreds of Muslims marched for the second day through the street of the Egyptian town of El-Wasta, 90 kilometers south of Cairo in Beni Suef Province, to protest the disappearance of a young Muslim girl, Rania Shazli, and accuse the priest of St. George's Church in Wasta of using black magic to lure her to Christianity.

The girl's uncle lead a group of Muslims to force the Copts in town to close all their businesses until the girl is brought back to her family. Coptic owners who refused were forcefully shut down. The Shazli family, supported by local Salafists, threatened to kidnap a Christian girl if their daughter is not brought back and vowed to destroy the church after prayers on Friday, March 22nd.

...

Maj. Gen. Ibrahim Hodeib, head of Beni Suef Security, said the girl has contacted her father more than once to inform him that she is out of the country and married to a Muslim man named Ahmed. He added that security forces are stationed in front of the church buildings, and warned against rioting, and that he would deal firmly with any violation of the law.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on March 22, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 26, 2013, 10:50:07 PM
http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2013/03/militias-of-the-mb-seriously-injured-coptic-activist-amir-ayad/

Quote
Militias of the MB seriously injured Coptic activist Amir Ayad

Mina Thabet – 26/3/13

Amir Ayad, member of Maspero Youth Union, founder of Christian Brotherhood group, and member of the fact-finding committee investigating the torture and imprisonment of Copts in Libya, was found Saturday morning at Al-Helal Hospital; with signs of torture across his body, after he had disappeared near the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters in Moqattam.

He said before he entered coma that he was kidnapped by the Muslim Brotherhood while participating in demonstrations near the MB headquarter in Moqattam. He was dragged into a mosque before they start torturing and beating him for hours with other demonstrators, and finally he jumped of a window and was saved by some people who live near that mosque.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Dominika on April 07, 2013, 09:46:40 AM
http://www.aina.org/news/20130406140653.htm - 10 Christians killed while they're defending the church in Al-Khousous.

Pictures of the new martyrs and from their burials: https://www.facebook.com/3adma.Zar2a

Lord have mercy!  :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: DuxI on April 07, 2013, 11:46:31 AM
May God help the Christians that suffer there!  Is the international community watching this?!

I have friend from Egypt, but after all these clashes, I lost contact with her. I  don't know what happened to her. :(

May the Mother of God protect them with Her prayers.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: The least of all on April 07, 2013, 02:23:22 PM
Lord have Mercy on all those in Egypt

https://www.copticworld.org/articles/1901/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 07, 2013, 10:32:59 PM
The Copts can't even bury their dead in peace.  The following is from a lengthy article about an attack on the cathedral during the funeral for the above victims.  It seems security forces were joining in on the attack.  At least one Copt was killed:

Quote
Hundreds of Christians were under siege inside Cairo’s Coptic cathedral last night as security forces and local residents, some armed with handguns, launched a prolonged and unprecedented attack on the seat of Egypt’s ancient Church.

At least one person was killed and at least 84 injured as Christians inside the walled St Mark’s cathedral compound came under a frenzied assault from their assailants in the main road outside

...

Earlier, witnesses described how they were attacked by locals from Abbasiyya, the north-east Cairo neighbourhood where the cathedral is located. After being hit by rocks from the roofs of nearby buildings, the mourners were reportedly forced back into the cathedral compound.

...

The security forces positioned outside the cathedral launched volley after volley of tear gas into the compound. Some of the thousands of onlookers gathered in the road cheered as the canisters rocketed towards Christians perched on the walls overlooking the main street.

One young man, his right hand clasped around a shiny steel handgun, clambered on top of a petrol station alongside the cathedral and blasted a single round at those trapped inside. He was helped down by a friend who was also carrying a handgun, before they both jogged off through a nearby line of riot police who had been watching the young man take aim. Soon afterwards there was a flash from inside the compound as a young man stepped up on to the perimeter wall and fired a weapon towards the thousands of onlookers below.

...

Read the entire account here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/coptic-christians-under-siege-as-mob-attacks-cairo-cathedral-8563600.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on April 08, 2013, 09:17:04 AM
After the savagery at Maspero, nothing shocks me about Egypt anymore.

Bitter funeral for Khusous Copts   
Sunday 07 Apr 2013 - 08:01 PM

excerpt:
 
Once the funeral was over and the congregation began spilling out of the cathedral, they found themselves under attacked by unknown assailants who threw stones at them and hurled Molotov bottles at the cathedral. The Copts were forced to go back into the cathedral grounds and shut the gates for safety, but this was only a safety of sorts, since the assailants continued to target them with Molotovs and gunfire which they shot from the roofs of neighbouring buildings. Several climbed the top of the cathedral walls and shot at the Copts inside.

An Interior Ministry source accused the Copts of having started the violence, and said that the locals answered back in counter-violence. The Copts say this does not make sense since they had been leaving the cathedral to head to the cemetery to bury their dead, an act which they must traditionally complete before sundown.

The attack against the cathedral has been lasting for more than five hours; Coptic eyewitnesses insist they were being attacked by Muslim Brotherhood militias and hooligans. The security forces came in but, according to eyewitnesses, did nothing to disperse the attackers or to stop the attack. Instead, they fired tear gas canisters into the cathedral grounds where the terrorised Copts had taken refuge. Some 25 Copts were injured, while no injuries occurred among the attackers outside the cathedral.

In the meantime, the Copts in Khusous were again under attack. The Mar-Girgis church and the Copts who were going in and out of it were targeted with stones and gunfire. The Copts, who have lost all hope that the security forces will protect them, have been sending out frantic calls for the army to defend them


http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=38821 (http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=38821)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: DuxI on April 08, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
May God forgive me for saying this, but, it is time for USA and Israel again to install a puppet regime there and deal with this hooligans as needed.

May the Most Holy Mother of God protect the Christians there.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on April 08, 2013, 10:08:26 AM

Children of Satan are waging a stealth genocide against Christians by using different tactics, hitting and running, and coming back when the foolish Christian is asleep while continuing to lead the usual hahaha, hihihi way of life with the enemies of God. How long does it take for Orthodox Christians to realize that socializing with the Muslims means energizing and empowering their own enemies.

Please stop socializing yourselves with the Muslims now!

The silence of the world is deafening!

Declare them guilty, O God!
Let their intrigues be their downfall.
Banish them for their many sins,
for they have rebelled against you.
But let all who take refuge in you be glad;
let them ever sing for joy.
Spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may rejoice in you.
Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous;
you surround them with your favor as with a shield. (Psalms 5: 10-12)

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Ansgar on April 08, 2013, 10:36:42 AM

Children of Satan are waging a stealth genocide against Christians by using different tactics, hitting and running, and coming back when the foolish Christian is asleep while continuing to lead the usual hahaha, hihihi way of life with the enemies of God. How long does it take for Orthodox Christians to realize that socializing with the Muslims means energizing and empowering their own enemies.

Please stop socializing yourselves with the Muslims now!

The silence of the world is deafening!

Declare them guilty, O God!
Let their intrigues be their downfall.
Banish them for their many sins,
for they have rebelled against you.
But let all who take refuge in you be glad;
let them ever sing for joy.
Spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may rejoice in you.
Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous;
you surround them with your favor as with a shield. (Psalms 5: 10-12)



We are all angry, so I can understand your comment. However, there are two very good reasons why we should not do that.

1. That tactic has often proved to have the opposite effect.

2. Not socializing with muslims will destroy nearly all possibilities of convertion.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on April 08, 2013, 11:30:16 AM

Children of Satan are waging a stealth genocide against Christians by using different tactics, hitting and running, and coming back when the foolish Christian is asleep while continuing to lead the usual hahaha, hihihi way of life with the enemies of God. How long does it take for Orthodox Christians to realize that socializing with the Muslims means energizing and empowering their own enemies.

Please stop socializing yourselves with the Muslims now!

The silence of the world is deafening!

Declare them guilty, O God!
Let their intrigues be their downfall.
Banish them for their many sins,
for they have rebelled against you.
But let all who take refuge in you be glad;
let them ever sing for joy.
Spread your protection over them,
that those who love your name may rejoice in you.
Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous;
you surround them with your favor as with a shield. (Psalms 5: 10-12)


I'd rather listen to His Grace Bishop Rafael on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuQa7LDvjs
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on April 08, 2013, 01:11:22 PM
Radio Interview - Premier Christian Radio interview
HG Bishop Angaelos RE attack on Coptic Patriarchate and Grand Cathedral of St. Mark in Egypt


Marcus Jones from Premier Christian Media Group speaks to His Grace Bishop Angaelos about the attack on the Coptic patriarchate and Grand Cathedral of St Mark in Cairo that occurred on 7 April 2013. The full statement by His Grace with regards to this can be viewed online via www.CopticMediaUK.com

http://www.bishopangaelos.org/node/643
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on April 08, 2013, 04:12:28 PM
very good speech by anba raphael above.
Lord have mercy.

here is an example of the young Christians showing love:
http://news.yahoo.com/lightbox/muslims-pray-during-funeral-victims-saturdays-clashes-between-photo-203629268.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on April 11, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Egypt presidential aide blames Christians for cathedral attack, sparks fury

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/04/10/Egypt-presidential-aide-blames-Christians-for-cathedral-attack-sparks-fury.html

These lazy donkeys (an insutlt to the poor donkey) never, ever take responsibility for their own actions, always blame them on their victims.

I like His Holiness, Pope Tawadros' statement:

There has been no positive and clear action from the state, but there is a God. The church does not ask for anyone's protection, only from God.

Why is there no video about the mob? Watch these images:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/10/troubling-photos-suggest-some-egyptian-police-stood-by-while-mob-attacked-christian-cathedral-burned-bible/

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 13, 2013, 09:52:27 PM
None of those who attacked the cathedral have been arrested, but it seems four of the Copts who were in the cathedral when it was attacked have been arrested.  The victim-blaming continues:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130413143455.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on April 25, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
The Siege of Egypt's St. Mark Cathedral
An Insider's Account
by Raymond Ibrahim
April 22, 2013 at 4:00 am


"So that's what we did, thinking police would come to protect and separate the clashers. We were surprised to find that the police began to intervene and become another party to the conflict, attacking the Copts who were fighting back against the [Muslim] youth who were attacking them, and shooting gas bombs into the cathedral compound, which caused extreme poisoning, to the point that the ambulance cars were not enough to take the sick."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3680/egypt-st-mark-cathedral (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3680/egypt-st-mark-cathedral)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 30, 2013, 12:26:46 AM
Video of the attack on the cathedral:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/28/new-video-shows-egyptian-police-allowing-attack-on-coptic-cathedral/#

It's very disturbing.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on May 02, 2013, 10:07:49 AM
Video of the attack on the cathedral:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/28/new-video-shows-egyptian-police-allowing-attack-on-coptic-cathedral/#

It's very disturbing.

Very disturbing, indeed, dear Salpy!

The US Commissionon on Religious Freedom just released its 2013 Annual Report

http://www.uscirf.gov/images/2013%20USCIRF%20Annual%20Report%20%282%29.pdf

The report on Egypt is detailed, but soft, and politically correct

A Blessed Pasha!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 02, 2013, 11:37:13 AM
I just read the section on Egypt, and yes, they seem to have softened their tone since last year.  Too bad.  I thought they were more independent.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 11, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
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CAIRO (AP) -- Amnesty International has called on Egyptian authorities to release a Coptic Christian schoolteacher held for contempt of Islam.

The rights group on Friday denounced the detention of 24-year-old Dimiana Abdel-Nour, a social studies teacher in a southern village near the famed city of Luxor. She was accused by some students of allegedly showing contempt while talking about Islam in class last month.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130510200413.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 15, 2013, 10:37:22 PM
Quote
Coptic-owned businesses and pharmacies in Menbal village, Minya in northern Egypt were attacked by a mob, resulting in extensive damage and several injuries.

"The thugs attacked my shop, assaulting it with stones. Some of the contents were damaged … they destroyed a number of Coptic-owned shops and pharmacies," Michael Sobhi, a witness from the village, told Mideast Christian News.

"The Copts of the village couldn't confront the thugs, as their numbers increased. They had firearms and blades, so Copts tried to avoid fighting with them," he added.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130515191744.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: DuxI on May 16, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
Lord have mercy!  :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tommelomsky on May 16, 2013, 07:54:06 PM
Lord have mercy!
Please Lord: make these acts and attacks stop.

Godspodi pomiluj!
Godspodi pomiluj!
Godspodi pomiluj!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on May 21, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
Egyptian Christians weather ‘climate of impunity,’ says U.S. State Dept.
May 21, 2013 By Joel J. Miller

excerpt:

"Despite protests inside Egypt and advocacy abroad, the mood is decisively against Copts and other religious minorities. Journalist Rayyan Al-Shawaf speaks of widespread “anti-Coptic stereotypes among ordinary Muslims” — not just radicals — “the sort that depict Copts as treacherous manipulators of the economy, and the Coptic Orthodox Church as a sinister and disloyal institution.”

“Manipulators of the economy” is reminiscent of German stereotypes against the country’s Jewish minority in the 1930s. So is the rhetoric of imaginary power and influence. Islamists like Mohamed El-Zawahiri, brother of al-Qaeda leader Ayman El-Zawahiri, for instance, make the preposterous claim that Copts are close to “triumph” because the new government has failed to effectively institute Sharia."


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/joeljmiller/2013/05/egyptian-christians-weather-climate-of-impunity/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/joeljmiller/2013/05/egyptian-christians-weather-climate-of-impunity/)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 29, 2013, 10:35:35 PM
http://www.aina.org/news/20130526225530.htm

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The disappearance of young Coptic girls in Egypt has been highlighted in several meetings with Western journalists by the Association of Victims of Abduction and Forced Disappearance (AVAFD).

...

Lewis noted that the association was able to register about 500 cases of Coptic girls being abducted after the revolution.

"The Association has agreed to organize a meeting with the girl returned after kidnapping in one of the provinces of Upper Egypt and the French journalist talked with her about the abduction period, which lasted for 60 days. He saw the removal of the cross from her hand," he added.

...

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on May 29, 2013, 10:39:51 PM
The issue of Coptic women being kidnapped has quickly hit home, as a family friend's daughter, who was engaged to be married in a couple of months, was kidnapped by Islamists in no less a place than Cairo, where you least expect it.

Lord, have mercy!  :'(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on May 29, 2013, 11:16:46 PM
The issue of Coptic women being kidnapped has quickly hit home, as a family friend's daughter, who was engaged to be married in a couple of months, was kidnapped by Islamists in no less a place than Cairo, where you least expect it.

Lord, have mercy!  :'(
Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on May 29, 2013, 11:20:28 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on May 30, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
oh no!
this is terrible, and confirms that really about 1% of these cases (probably less) is it about some young woman 'falling in love' with a muslim guy as they try to say (even some of the foreign news reporters make the terrible mistake of saying this is a 'love story').
may God give her lots of courage to stay true to the Lord and her Christian faith whatever she has to do in this difficult situation.

may God give the family great strength to live as Christians through this really hard time.
these cases always make me pray a lot, as only God can give comfort in this situation.

'all these...obtained a good testimony through faith' (hebrews 11:32-40)
may God have mercy on them and lead them beside still waters.

may He also convict the evil workers of their sin.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 07, 2013, 08:35:45 PM
Quote
Attacks on Christian children, both boys and girls, are on the rise in Egypt.

Last week, a six-year-old Coptic Christian boy named Cyril Yusuf Sa'ad was abducted and held for ransom. After his family paid off the Muslim kidnapper, Ahmed Abdel Moneim Abdel-Salam, he still killed the child and threw his body in the sewer of his house. In the words of the Arabic report, the boy's "family is in tatters after paying 30,000 pounds to the abductor, who still killed the innocent child and threw his body into the toilet of his home, where the body, swollen and moldy, was exhumed."

...

Weeks earlier, ten-year-old Sameh George, an altar boy at the Coptic church of St. Abdul Masih (Servant of Christ) in Minya, Egypt, was kidnapped by "unknown persons" while on his way to church to participate in Holy Pascha prayers leading up to Orthodox Easter. His parents and family reported that it was his custom to go to church and worship in the evening, but when he didn't return, and they began to panic, they received an anonymous phone call from the kidnappers, saying that they had the Christian boy in their possession and would execute him unless they received 250,000 Egyptian pounds in ransom money.

And about a month before this latter incident, yet another Coptic boy, twelve-year-old Abanoub Ashraf, was also kidnapped right in front of his church, St. Paul in Shubra al-Khayma district. His abductors, four men, put a knife to his throat, dragged him to their car, opened fire on the church, and then sped away. Later they called the boy's family demanding an exorbitant amount of money to ransom the boy's life.

...



http://www.aina.org/news/20130607112137.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on June 09, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
Lord have mercy.
 :(
may God give the Christians strength and wisdom.

these boys remind me of one of our famous saints, 12 year old saint abanoub:

http://www.copticchurch.net/classes/synex.php?month=11&day=24&btn=View&lang=

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Abanoub
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on June 28, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I'm very concerned about the 30th. Lord have mercy.

Crimes of the Muslim Brotherhood
http://youtu.be/KbJ1ucSmIcA
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on July 02, 2013, 01:24:42 PM
Copts under the Gun: Religious Freedom in Egypt
By  Kathryn Jean Lopez July 2, 2013 9:52 AM


LOPEZ: Who was Cyril Yusuf Sa’ad?

IBRAHIM: He was a six-year-old Coptic Christian boy who was abducted and held for ransom. Muslim abductions of Christians is an increasingly common practice, not just in Egypt, but in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. (as I show in Crucified Again). The boy was eventually killed in late May. According to the Arabic language report, the boy’s “family is in tatters after paying 30,000 pounds to the abductor, who still killed the innocent child and threw his body into the toilet of his home, where the body, swollen and moldy, was exhumed.”


LOPEZ: Who was Agape Essam Girgis?

IBRAHIM: She is a 14-year-old Coptic girl who, on her way to school accompanied by a Muslim social worker and two teachers — one of whom was a Salafi — never returned. She was drugged and awakened to find herself in a secluded place with an elderly woman and Salafis who tried to convert her to Islam, forced her to wear the full hijab, and beat her. She was eventually released — she’s actually one of the few lucky Coptic girls who made it back home (one recent study states that well over 500 Coptic girls have been abducted, raped, seduced, blackmailed, etc., in the last few years).


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352555/copts-under-gun-religious-freedom-egypt-kathryn-jean-lopez (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352555/copts-under-gun-religious-freedom-egypt-kathryn-jean-lopez)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 05, 2013, 11:46:42 AM
http://therightscoop.com/muslims-burn-down-23-houses-of-coptic-christians-near-luxor-egypt/

Quote
Muslims have burned down 23 houses belonging to Coptic Christians near Luxor, Egypt, after a fight today between a Muslim man and three of his Christian friends. According to residents, the fight that left the Muslim man dead and one of the Copts hospitalized was not religious or political.

But that didn’t stop Muslim youth from initially setting three Copt houses ablaze and now that number has increased to 23 houses as security troops try and stop the violence:
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on July 05, 2013, 02:37:26 PM
Islamists are also apparently trying to burn down the Coptic church in Luxor, but the police and army are protecting it.  This is coming from Arabic tv media.

Anyways, I thought I could post a timeline of some of the major persecutions against the Coptic Church since 1968 to the present:

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/roots-religious-violence-lie-both-state-and-society
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Santagranddad on July 05, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
The behaviour of these followers of a peaceful religion toward non-Moslems is appalling and stretches back into time immemorial. Elsewhere Hindu, Sikh among others have complained of the forced abduction and conversion of young girls and women, including here in the UK.

The involvement of the Coptic Pope in the announcement of the new Government will also rest long in Muslim Brotherhood memories.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on July 05, 2013, 03:23:08 PM
Islamists are also apparently trying to burn down the Coptic church in Luxor, but the police and army are protecting it.  This is coming from Arabic tv media.

Anyways, I thought I could post a timeline of some of the major persecutions against the Coptic Church since 1968 to the present:

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/roots-religious-violence-lie-both-state-and-society

Thank you for sharing this timeline, as sad as it is.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on July 05, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
*subscribed*

A friend on Facebook mentioned the extremists have declared war against the Egyptian army, police... and Christians. This could turn into a Civil War.

Quote
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood called for a wave of protests Friday, furious over the military's ouster of its president and arrest of its revered leader and other top figures, underlining the touchy issue of what role the fundamentalist Islamist movement might play in the new regime.  There are concerns of Islamist violence in retaliation for Mohammed Morsi's ouster, and some former militant extremists have vowed to fight.

www.npr.org/2013/07/05/198954757/egypts-brotherhood-calls-for-protests-friday  

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on July 05, 2013, 06:13:25 PM
Pro-Morsi rally threatens the Army, protestors, and Christians:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=SFX1heljE9k&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSFX1heljE9k
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 06, 2013, 09:57:37 AM

Coptic Christian priest shot dead

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10164062/Egypt-Coptic-Christian-priest-shot-dead.html

R.I.P

I felt this when I saw His Holiness, Pope Tawadros alongside the Sheick, the general and the freemason, al-Baradai. These cowards, children of the devil only attack the unarmed children, women and Christians.

May Lord bring them soon the punishment they deserve

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Ansgar on July 06, 2013, 10:11:32 AM
Quote
Coptic Christian priest shot dead

Lord have mercy!

May his memory be eternal!

Quote
the general and the freemason, al-Baradai.

Source please.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 06, 2013, 04:06:14 PM
Picture of Father Mina Cheroubim, who was shot and killed as he left his church this morning:

(http://www.aina.org/images/MinaCheroubim.jpg)

May he pray for us all.

Quote
(AINA) -- This morning masked men gunned down Father Mina Cheroubim, pastor of the Coptic Orthodox church, as he left his church building in el-Arish North Sinai, 344 kilometers northeast of Cairo. Yesterday Muslims attacked Coptic inhabitants in the village of Nag Hassan, Dabayaa, in Luxor province. This attack was prompted by news that allegedly four Copts killed 45-year-old Muslim H. Hefny, whose body was found near the river. The attack killed four and wounded three. 16 homes and shops were torched, including the home of a Coptic family who are accused of being involved in the killing of the Muslim man. Police and ambulances were sent to the village as hundreds of scared Coptic inhabitants left the village. One of the villagers said that the dead Muslim was not killed by Copts but by Muslims in order to cause sedition and force Christians to leave the village.

Muslims have continued terrorizing Christians. On July 3rd, in the village of Delga in Deir Mawas, Minya Province, which has a population over 65,000, the services building of the Coptic Catholic Church of St. Georges was looted and torched, and the El-Saleh Church in Delga was heavily fired at. The villagers had their homes and businesses looted and torched. Most of the Copts, the majority in Delga, left their homes in fear. Two Christians were wounded from the fires.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130706133116.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on July 06, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
 :'(
Lord have mercy.
may God repose his soul and comfort his family and spiritual children.
abouna mina is now praying for egypt before the throne of grace; Lord please give us strength and courage.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 08, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
Quote
Coptic Christian priest shot dead

Lord have mercy!

May his memory be eternal!

Quote
the general and the freemason, al-Baradai.

Source please.

Source: Balthasar

Dr. Elbaradai...every "Dr"...a winner of the so-called "Nobel Prize" is a Freemason. What has Egypt to do with atomic matters, when Elbaradai become the boss of the International Atomic Energy Agency? No wonder the Muslim mafia (foolish tools of the freemasons) don't want to see him in the government.

Tough time coming to Egypt. :'( Sad that peope have to learn the hard way!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Ansgar on July 08, 2013, 10:16:10 AM
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Coptic Christian priest shot dead

Lord have mercy!

May his memory be eternal!

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the general and the freemason, al-Baradai.

Source please.

Source: Balthasar

Dr. Elbaradai...every "Dr"...a winner of the so-called "Nobel Prize" is a Freemason. What has Egypt to do with atomic matters, when Elbaradai become the boss of the International Atomic Energy Agency? No wonder the Muslim mafia (foolish tools of the freemasons) don't want to see him in the government.

Tough time coming to Egypt. :'( Sad that peope have to learn the hard way!



Forget that I asked.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on July 08, 2013, 11:01:40 AM
Let's keep this about the people persecuted, not about the politics.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Dominika on July 09, 2013, 06:53:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tay4w_Oid48 - some fragments of the funeral of fr. Mina (very moving, in the beginning there is a picture with his family, I'm very sorry for them) and short speech of a bishop.

Let the blood of the Martyrs for Christ in Egypt and Syria be a kind of leaven of the renewal of Christian Orthodox faith among these nations...
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 11, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
http://www.aina.org/news/20130711082117.htm

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CAIRO (AFP) -- A Coptic Christian man was found decapitated on Thursday in Egypt's Sinai peninsula five days after he was kidnappped by gunmen, security officials and witnesses told AFP.

The man was found with his hands and feet bound and his head severed in the Sheikh Zuwayed area of north Sinai, they said.

A security official said "extremist groups" had captured the man on Saturday, the same day that a Coptic priest was killed.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Santagranddad on July 11, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
Lord have mercy upon his soul, and his bereaved family.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on July 11, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
 :o
Lord have mercy, this is horrible.
may God comfort his family and may the new martyr pray for us before the throne of God.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Pharaoh714 on July 12, 2013, 07:05:21 PM
Picture of Father Mina Cheroubim, who was shot and killed as he left his church this morning:

(http://www.aina.org/images/MinaCheroubim.jpg)

May he pray for us all.

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(AINA) -- This morning masked men gunned down Father Mina Cheroubim, pastor of the Coptic Orthodox church, as he left his church building in el-Arish North Sinai, 344 kilometers northeast of Cairo. Yesterday Muslims attacked Coptic inhabitants in the village of Nag Hassan, Dabayaa, in Luxor province. This attack was prompted by news that allegedly four Copts killed 45-year-old Muslim H. Hefny, whose body was found near the river. The attack killed four and wounded three. 16 homes and shops were torched, including the home of a Coptic family who are accused of being involved in the killing of the Muslim man. Police and ambulances were sent to the village as hundreds of scared Coptic inhabitants left the village. One of the villagers said that the dead Muslim was not killed by Copts but by Muslims in order to cause sedition and force Christians to leave the village.

Muslims have continued terrorizing Christians. On July 3rd, in the village of Delga in Deir Mawas, Minya Province, which has a population over 65,000, the services building of the Coptic Catholic Church of St. Georges was looted and torched, and the El-Saleh Church in Delga was heavily fired at. The villagers had their homes and businesses looted and torched. Most of the Copts, the majority in Delga, left their homes in fear. Two Christians were wounded from the fires.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130706133116.htm

May his Intercession and prayers be with us.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 15, 2013, 09:09:14 AM


Egypt Christians face bloody backlash

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2013/07/15/penhaul-pkg-egypt-christians-under-attack.cnn.html

I like the atmosphere inside the church :angel: I like the Holy Water, I like the Frankincense, and I am confident one day the Turko-Arab occupiers of Egypt will be destroyed by them.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Ansgar on July 15, 2013, 11:13:47 AM
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and I am confident one day the Turko-Arab occupiers of Egypt will be converted by them.

Fixed that for you.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on July 15, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
From EIPR: Sectarian incitement and attacks, 30 June to 9 July, 2013

excerpt:

This pattern of Muslims storming the homes of Christians in the presence of security forces was observed elsewhere. The following people were killed:

1. Romani Nashi Habib, 38, stabbed and his throat cut.
2. Muharib Nashi Habib, 40, stabbed in the neck and skull fractures.
3. Rassem Tawadros Aqladios, 54, stabbed in the neck and beaten with clubs, causing skull fractures.
4. Emile Nessim Serufim, 40, skull lacerations.

The following people were injured:

1. Milad al-Amir Nessim, 25, stabbed and beaten with clubs.
2. Boulos Zaki Youssef, 50, shot four times in the arm and stomach.
3. Fadi Asaad Abdullah, 30, beaten with clubs.
4. Eid Edward Ayoub, 36, beaten with clubs.
5. Safwat Samir Ayoub, 36, beaten with clubs.

The homes of several local Copts were robbed and set on fire, which consumed the remaining contents, while several other empty Christian homes were looted. Fire trucks and ambulances were prevented from entering the village, and the dead and wounded were taken away in police vehicles. The attached appendix details the extent of damage done to the 21 homes that were attacked.


http://eipr.org/en/pressrelease/2013/07/15/1765
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on July 18, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
BBC News - Coptic Catholic church destroyed by Egypt looters

http://youtu.be/9q-FM4bIC-4


related article:

Christians attacked in wake of Egyptian upheaval
Published: 14 July 2013
By: Zenit

http://www.catholicleader.com.au/news.php/world-news/christians-attacked-in-wake-of-egyptian-upheaval_85655 (http://www.catholicleader.com.au/news.php/world-news/christians-attacked-in-wake-of-egyptian-upheaval_85655)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 23, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are taking notice of what is happening:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-egypt-protests-christians-idUSBRE96M0WZ20130723
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 24, 2013, 09:35:35 AM
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are taking notice of what is happening:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-egypt-protests-christians-idUSBRE96M0WZ20130723

Dear Salpy, I personally prefer if these two satanic organizations keep quite when it comes to persecution of Christians. Where have they been all this time? They begun speaking about the current wave of persecution because they want to see their maddog Mursi back in power.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on July 24, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are taking notice of what is happening:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-egypt-protests-christians-idUSBRE96M0WZ20130723

Dear Salpy, I personally prefer if these two satanic organizations keep quite when it comes to persecution of Christians. Where have they been all this time? They begun speaking about the current wave of persecution because they want to see their maddog Mursi back in power.


Yes. The article is loaded with garbage such as "first democratically elected president" and "his ouster caused deep fissures". They fail to state the obvious which is that the Copts have been killed by the MB.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 24, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Yeah, I was wondering about the timing of this, after ignoring the atrocities for so many years.

Too bad.   :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 26, 2013, 02:07:28 PM
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Before Egypt's President Muhammad Morsi was ousted, April was one of the worst months for Christian Copts there. On April 5 near Cairo, when a longstanding feud between a Christian family and a Muslim family--based on male Muslims sexually harassing Christian girls--culminated in the violent deaths of six Christians, including two of the participants, a Christian and a Muslim, being set on fire, local Muslims went on another "collective punishment" spree. It resulted in the injury of at least 20 other Copts, an Evangelical church being set on fire, and an attack on a Coptic church, Two days later, after Copts had mourned their dead in the St. Mark Cathedral--Coptic Christianity's holiest site and home to the Coptic pope--Muslim mobs, who had waited outside, launched yet another attack--aided by state security forces. Eyewitnesses said as many as 40-50 tear gas canisters targeted the mourners, many of whom were women and children hiding in the cathedral. Two more Copts were killed and many dozens wounded as other officers stood by while the Muslim mob tried to destroy the cathedral.

On one Friday after prayers, the Bilal Ibn Rabah Mosque in Cairo was turned into a "torture chamber" for Egyptians, many of whom were Christians, protesting the Muslim Brotherhood. One of the victims, Amir Ayad, a Christian, said he was severely beaten before being left for dead at the side of the road. He suffered a fractured skull, a broken arm, bleeding in his right eye and pellet wounds. Coptic Christian children, mostly boys, were targeted for kidnapping and held for ransom; one 6-year-old, after his family had paid the Muslim kidnapper, was killed. And a video appeared on Arabic-language websites showing a crowd of Muslims in Egypt assaulting and raping two Christian women on a crowded street and in broad daylight. Throughout, the women scream in terror as the men shout Islamic slogans such as "Allahu Akbar" "[Allah is Greater.] None of the many passersby intervenes in any way.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130726033625.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 29, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
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Muslim youth and security forces protected Al-Azraa and Anba Ebram churches from attacks by alleged Morsi supporters in Minya on Saturday, spokesperson of the archbishop of Mawas monastery Amgad Ezzat has told state-owned MENA agency.

"They threw molotov cocktails at Al-Azraa and Anba Ebram churches but were not able to break in as nearby Muslims and Christians were securing the churches," said Ishak Ibrahim, researcher at Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR). He added that the protesters tried to storm in El-Eslah church but were prevented. "However, both El-Eslah church and an annex of the Catholic church were raided before, on 3 July," he said.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130729124907.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 01, 2013, 08:31:00 AM
Scapegoating the Copts
Islamist violence against Coptic Christians will undermine Egypt’s democratization.
By Girgis Naiem, July 31, 2013 4:00 AM

excerpt:

Copts came under severe attack right after Morsi’s removal and continue to bear the brunt of violence and threats from the MB and other Islamist groups. As a result, numerous churches have decided it is no longer safe for them to hold regular worship services, Sunday school, and catechesis classes. In Minya governorate, the Holy Mass is now being broadcast on the Internet so the faithful won’t have to risk their lives praying in the churches. Elsewhere in Upper Egypt, liturgies finish by 7 a.m., and then for the rest of the day the churches are closed and put under guard. Death threats forced Pope Tawadros II to leave his seat at St. Mark’s Cathedral in Cairo three weeks ago, and his whereabouts are now kept secret; the threats were issued because he attended a conference called by Egypt’s military to work out the country’s road map and because Copts had joined in the anti-Morsi protests.

The attacks that have terrorized the Copts have been carried out in various parts of the country and by various Islamist groups. On July 4, a building belonging to St. George’s Coptic Catholic Church in Delga, Minya, was attacked by MB supporters who hurled stones, opened fire, and threw Molotov cocktails; the building was burned to the ground. Another church in Delga, the Protestant Reformation church, was also attacked. In the Mediterranean coastal city of Marsa Matrouh, MB supporters tried to destroy the Coptic Orthodox Church of the Virgin Mary. They broke windows and burned the security room before soldiers chased them away. The next day, MB supporters attempted to storm Coptic Orthodox churches in Qena and Luxor. The police and military used tear gas to disperse them, leaving 13 injured.



http://m.nationalreview.com/article/354793/scapegoating-copts-girgis-naiem
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 03, 2013, 02:57:33 PM
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Several Minya residents filed official complaints accusing supporters of deposed president Mohamed Mursi of attacking them and destroying their cars as they go to work in the morning and return back home.

Eyewitnesses said that Mursi's supporters forced the Copts of Nazlet Abid Village to suspend work in more than 400 white brick factories where most village residents work.

In Delga Village south of Minya, the houses of several Copts and village churches were attacked by stones during a pro-Mursi march Thursday night.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130803084508.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on August 03, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Scapegoating the Copts
Islamist violence against Coptic Christians will undermine Egypt’s democratization.
By Girgis Naiem, July 31, 2013 4:00 AM

excerpt:

Copts came under severe attack right after Morsi’s removal and continue to bear the brunt of violence and threats from the MB and other Islamist groups. As a result, numerous churches have decided it is no longer safe for them to hold regular worship services, Sunday school, and catechesis classes. In Minya governorate, the Holy Mass is now being broadcast on the Internet so the faithful won’t have to risk their lives praying in the churches. Elsewhere in Upper Egypt, liturgies finish by 7 a.m., and then for the rest of the day the churches are closed and put under guard. Death threats forced Pope Tawadros II to leave his seat at St. Mark’s Cathedral in Cairo three weeks ago, and his whereabouts are now kept secret; the threats were issued because he attended a conference called by Egypt’s military to work out the country’s road map and because Copts had joined in the anti-Morsi protests.

The attacks that have terrorized the Copts have been carried out in various parts of the country and by various Islamist groups. On July 4, a building belonging to St. George’s Coptic Catholic Church in Delga, Minya, was attacked by MB supporters who hurled stones, opened fire, and threw Molotov cocktails; the building was burned to the ground. Another church in Delga, the Protestant Reformation church, was also attacked. In the Mediterranean coastal city of Marsa Matrouh, MB supporters tried to destroy the Coptic Orthodox Church of the Virgin Mary. They broke windows and burned the security room before soldiers chased them away. The next day, MB supporters attempted to storm Coptic Orthodox churches in Qena and Luxor. The police and military used tear gas to disperse them, leaving 13 injured.



http://m.nationalreview.com/article/354793/scapegoating-copts-girgis-naiem
The cowards can't take on the Muslim majority of those who rejected them, and so they have to take it out on the Copts.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 04, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
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Sectarian tension that erupted at a Coptic Christian's cafeteria on Saturday between the villages' Christians and Muslims escalated to both sides hurling stones and Molotov cocktails and firing shots at one another.

An eyewitness said that the confrontations led to the torching of seven residences, the destruction of five vehicles, a kiosk, a coffee shop, two supermarkets and a pharmacy.

All destroyed properties belonged to Coptic Christians who make up Egypt's largest minority - estimated at about ten percent.


http://allafrica.com/stories/201308040123.html?aa_source=sptlgt-grid?aa_source=sptlgt-grid
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 06, 2013, 11:45:42 AM
From the attack referenced in Salpy's article above.

Video of the distruction of Coptic homes & businesses in Bani-Ahmad, a village near Al Minya in Upper Egypt.
http://youtu.be/NRGT-plrZjI
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 07, 2013, 07:19:37 PM
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Hundreds of supporters of Mohamed Morsi, the ousted Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt, gathered in front of St. George Church in the Upper Egyptian city of Sohag last weekend and raised the black flag of Al-Qaeda over the church.

According to Coptic Solidarity, a U.S.-based Coptic human rights organization that cited a local Egyptian report in Shorouk News, the Islamists chanted that Egypt should be an "Islamic [state] despite [the wishes of] secularists." The church immediately closed its doors after the demonstration and prevented the entry or exit of its members.

Additionally, hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters surrounded a church in the Egyptian city of Girga to denounce Coptic Christian Pope Tawadros and his support for the interim military-backed government.

http://www.aina.org/news/20130807164811.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 08, 2013, 12:38:28 PM
Egypt's coup puts fearful Christians in a corner
By HAMZA HENDAWI

excerpt:

While Islamists are on the defensive in Cairo following the military coup that ousted President Mohammed Morsi, in Assiut and elsewhere in Egypt's deep south they are waging a stepped-up hate campaign, claiming the country's Christian minority somehow engineered Morsi's downfall.

"Tawadros is a dog," says a spray-painted insult, referring to Pope Tawadros II, patriarch of the Copts, as Egypt's Christians are called. Christian homes, stores and places of worship have been marked with large painted crosses.


http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-coup-puts-fearful-christians-corner-062553010.html (http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-coup-puts-fearful-christians-corner-062553010.html)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 12, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
Several more incidents of violence against Copts in recent days, including a 10-year-old Coptic Evangelical girl who was shot dead after leaving church:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2013/08/coptic-christian-girl-shot-dead-in-egypt/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 14, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
It is an absolute nightmare right now. So far, over 16 Churches, monasteries & religious institutions of various Christian groups destroyed.

The Maspero Youth Union operations center is monitoring the attacks on churches and Coptic property in 5 provinces.

Extremist groups from the Muslim Brotherhood, the Salfyeen, and Jama’a Islameya implemented their threats of attacking Christians and police departments in of the dispersion of the sit ins at Nahda in Giza and Raba’a eladaweya in Nasr City. Starting from early morning, these terrori...sts began attacking churches and Coptic property in the provinces of Minya, Fayoum, Al Suez, Luxor, and Sohag. The losses have been reported as follows:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=590775414299440&set=a.203371319706520.50963.198889343488051&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=590775414299440&set=a.203371319706520.50963.198889343488051&type=1)

"How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?".
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 14, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
Report on the attacks against Copts on 14 August  
Wednesday 14 Aug 2013 - 09:13 PM

http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=44010


Copts and police targeted all over Egypt 
Wednesday 14 Aug 2013 - 01:06 PM
Reported by Treza Kamal, Nader Shukry, Michael Victor, and Raafat Edward
 
http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=43914
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 14, 2013, 04:16:04 PM
Coptic churches burn in Egypt
Egyptians on Twitter crowdsource reports of attacks on Christians.

http://storify.com/ajstream/egychurch/elements/874dd6621b17fbafa050a91b
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on August 14, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
THe US, EU and all the MB allies did not issue one single word condemning the attack on churches. They criticized dissolving the MB criminal sit-in though.

 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Maria on August 14, 2013, 06:10:47 PM
Coptic churches burn in Egypt
Egyptians on Twitter crowdsource reports of attacks on Christians.

http://storify.com/ajstream/egychurch/elements/874dd6621b17fbafa050a91b

Lord have mercy.

Here is a news blog from the area:

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/08/14/coptic-churches-burnt-in-egypt/

NEWSBREAKING: Many Coptic Churches burn across Egypt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3054727/posts?page=6
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 14, 2013, 08:38:13 PM
THe US, EU and all the MB allies did not issue one single word condemning the attack on churches. They criticized dissolving the MB criminal sit-in though.

 
This story seems to be completely absent to almost every major U. S. news source except Fox News (nothing at all by CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.). Why? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/499052/20130814/morsi-supporters-attack-coptic-churches-sohag-menya.htm

Some churches and buildings that were attacked by the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters :
1 – The Church of the Virgin Mary and Anba Abram of the Copts Orthodox village Dljh, the center of Deir Mawas, Minya Governorate burning church and demolished.
2 – The Church of St. Mina Coptic Orthodox neighborhood of Abu Hilal Kebly Minya Governorate burning church
3 – St. George’s Church Copts الارثوزكس the land of the archbishopric, Sohag Governorate burning church
4 – Center Baptist Church Bani Mazar, Minya Governorate burning church
5 – Church of Our Lady of Copts الأرثوزكس the village Nazlah, Yusuf Center, Fayoum governorate burning the church …
6 – Monastery of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd + school Suez burning
7 – Church Street parents Alfrencescan the Suez burning 23
8 – The Bible Society of Friends Fayoum burning
9 – The Church of Saint Maximus 45th Street Alexandria harassment
10 – Church of Prince Taodharos Echatbi Fayoum burning
11 – Church of Our Lady of Copts الارثوزكس the street butchers Abu Hilal District Minia Governorate burning
12 – Church Marmriqs the Catholic Copts Abu Hilal District, Minya Governorate burning
13 – Church of the Jesuit Fathers Abu Hilal District, Minya Governorate burning
14 – Church of the Virgin and Abram news Sohag burning
15 – Church Marmriqs the building services electricity Street, Sohag burning
16 – a Father Onjelios home king pastor of the Church of the Virgin and Anba Abram Bdljh of Deir Mawas Dljh the center of the province of Minya house was completely burned
17 – the burning of the Greek Church in Suez http://beforeitsnews.com/christian-news/2013/08/christian-churches-attacked-burn-all-over-egypt-2480776.html

I guess that isn't important enough to constitute breaking news in this part of the world.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 14, 2013, 10:47:56 PM
Another article, with pictures of some of the churches, is here:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2013/08/morsi-supporters-attack-coptic-churches-in-sohag-menya-and-dilg/

Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
At least 22 churches have been attacked and/or destroyed in the last couple of days:

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... In the last few hours, the Islamists have attacked seven Catholic churches and a full fifteen religious structures of the Coptic-Orthodox Church and the Protestant church. The attacks took place in Cairo and in the governorate of Sohag (Upper Egypt). The news was announced by Fr. Rafic Greiche, spokesperson for the Egyptian Catholic Church, who underlined the fact that the Western media has remained silent about the attacks. At the moment it is unclear whether any persons have been injured or killed.

...

http://www.aina.org/news/20130815085246.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 08:14:13 PM
It seems one of the churches destroyed was an ancient fourth century church.  The Muslim Brotherhood is also attacking Christian homes:

Quote
Attackers today set fire to a Christian youth center in Fayoum. They also reportedly destroyed a 4th century church, one of the oldest in Egypt. Scores of other churches and Copt homes were attacked.

A Copt activist told The Tower that over 21 churches were completely burned to the ground, and more were attacked. There are no confirmed numbers regarding deaths or injuries.

http://www.thetower.org/egyptian-govt-calls-on-morsi-supporters-to-end-violence-as-islamists-burn-down-scores-of-christian-churches-and-home/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 08:24:24 PM
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Morsy supporters also reportedly attacked a number of Christian churches. It's not clear how many were targeted, but Dalia Ziada, of the Ibn Khadun Center for Development Studies, said Thursday that her group had documented the burning of 29 churches and Coptic facilities across the country.

"This is horrible to happen in only one day," she said.

The Bible Society of Egypt said 15 churches and three Christian schools had been attacked, some set on fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRtskf3CEAEgvVB.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dhinuus on August 15, 2013, 09:32:08 PM
Though the entire church was burnt, miraculously the icon of our Lord didnot burn....
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/21434_494415123985253_1473374974_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: richi000 on August 15, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRtskf3CEAEgvVB.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.


My Arabic is very poor. But I do believe these are Christians praying.
I could also be wrong but is this a old picture?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 10:53:22 PM
I think it's a current picture, taken inside one of the churches that was just destroyed by the Muslim Brotherhood.  I'd like someone who reads Arabic well to confirm it, though.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 15, 2013, 10:54:32 PM
Though the entire church was burnt, miraculously the icon of our Lord didnot burn....
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/21434_494415123985253_1473374974_n.jpg)

Amazing.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on August 15, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRtskf3CEAEgvVB.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Apotheoun on August 15, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
May God watch over and protect the Copts in this distressing time.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: NightOwl on August 16, 2013, 12:23:51 AM
I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRtskf3CEAEgvVB.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."

Amen!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 16, 2013, 03:10:27 AM
As already pointed out by others, there is almost no coverage in the major news media outlets about this.  The focus is elsewhere on the conflict there in Egypt.  Horrible.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on August 16, 2013, 03:53:45 AM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: RehamG on August 16, 2013, 10:03:13 AM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

Not surprising in the least bit.  :(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on August 16, 2013, 11:38:39 AM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

The media in the West is being directed by politics. No free speech. The free speech the West understands and practices is the Jerry Springer show.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on August 16, 2013, 12:55:17 PM
I know. I'm just venting.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 16, 2013, 10:51:18 PM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

Not surprising in the least bit.  :(
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria (http://english.irib.ir/voj/analyses/commentaries/item/86098-us-remains-uninterested-as-kurds-massacred-by-syria%E2%80%99s-militant-opposition) either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 16, 2013, 10:59:59 PM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

Not surprising in the least bit.  :(
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria (http://english.irib.ir/voj/analyses/commentaries/item/86098-us-remains-uninterested-as-kurds-massacred-by-syria%E2%80%99s-militant-opposition) either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



Indeed!  Out media has lost all perspective it seems.  It almost appears like they are intentionally supporting the chaos and evils popping up all over the world.  In Syria, not one pays attention to the rebels being the same people being fought against in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is not homegrown opposition, that the Orthodox there have chosen the side of the legitimate government.  Ah, yes, the mindless media.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Shanghaiski on August 16, 2013, 11:53:31 PM
USA Today, I believe, had a story today about Egypt's Christians living in fear.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 17, 2013, 12:01:00 AM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

Not surprising in the least bit.  :(
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria (http://english.irib.ir/voj/analyses/commentaries/item/86098-us-remains-uninterested-as-kurds-massacred-by-syria%E2%80%99s-militant-opposition) either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



Indeed!  Out media has lost all perspective it seems.  It almost appears like they are intentionally supporting the chaos and evils popping up all over the world.  In Syria, not one pays attention to the rebels being the same people being fought against in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is not homegrown opposition, that the Orthodox there have chosen the side of the legitimate government.  Ah, yes, the mindless media.

For what my opinion is worth I regard U. S. media these days on the same ethical plane as any other Holocaust Suppressors/Deniers of the past. What we see in the U. S. is less "news" than super-selective silence/outrage according to the metanarrative of the day. Pablum.

450 Kurds killed? (http://english.irib.ir/voj/analyses/commentaries/item/86098-us-remains-uninterested-as-kurds-massacred-by-syria%E2%80%99s-militant-opposition) That's not newsworthy. Wrong side dead. Pussy Riot? Front page to the ages of ages.

(http://i.imgur.com/6Fzq1s4.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 17, 2013, 01:19:34 AM
From an e-mail from the Armenian Eastern Diocese of the United States:

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Pray for Our Coptic Brethren

The persecution of Egypt’s age-old Coptic Christian community has been an ongoing concern for several years now, but it has reached horrifying levels in the past few weeks, following the fall of Egypt’s government.

Coptic churches are being looted and set aflame. The Coptic Pope Tawadros II is in hiding under threat of death. A priest, Fr. Mina Cheroubim, was shot dead in front of his church, and Copts—including women and children—have been savagely beaten, abducted, and killed. Their homes, businesses, and churches are covered with threatening, hate-filled graffiti—a fate that has extended to some Armenian edifices as well.

The stories of suffering are too unsettling to relate; but they are all-too-familiar to Armenian Christians. It is painful to think that the vicious acts of persecution we still vividly remember, a century after the Genocide, are being re-enacted today, against the Copts. Our two churches have always been closely related in our theology and antiquity—and in our experience of persecution, both historical as well as contemporary, as the Armenians of Syria can well attest.

One can read about the general turmoil in Egypt, with its escalating violence and terrible loss of life, in most newspapers these days. But there is comparatively little being written and said about the plight of the Coptic Christians, and the existential threat they are facing in their ancestral homeland. Let us not be the ones to forget them at this time. Rather let us remember our Coptic brothers and sisters; reach out to them, speak up for them—and above all pray for them, and for an end to their affliction.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Nacho on August 17, 2013, 02:18:30 AM
This is what happens when you have a few major mega conglomerate corporate owned media outlets. They are sheep that keep repeating the same few mainstream news items and strictly stick to the talking points handed to them. It's like if Walmart got into the business of doing the news this is what you would get. That's why these days I view fake networks like Fox as pure comedy and entertainment. In fact, you probably would get much more truth from Comedy Central these days! ::)  
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 17, 2013, 02:30:25 AM
I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now. 

When it comes to looking for news about Christian communities in the Middle East, I tend to look at:

The Assyrian International News Agency:

http://www.aina.org/index.shtml


and Orthodox News:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 17, 2013, 02:45:00 AM
I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now.  

They usually do a better job than the other major networks anyway.  But as you stated, they are the only ones I have found so far which have actually addressed this situation directly.  I watched an interview on Fox which talked about this only and why it isn't being covered elsewhere in America.  But still, not enough coverage if you ask me.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 17, 2013, 06:04:36 AM
I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? >:(

Not surprising in the least bit.  :(
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria (http://english.irib.ir/voj/analyses/commentaries/item/86098-us-remains-uninterested-as-kurds-massacred-by-syria%E2%80%99s-militant-opposition) either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



Indeed!  Out media has lost all perspective it seems.  It almost appears like they are intentionally supporting the chaos and evils popping up all over the world.  In Syria, not one pays attention to the rebels being the same people being fought against in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is not homegrown opposition, that the Orthodox there have chosen the side of the legitimate government.  Ah, yes, the mindless media.
I saw an article on Fox today about rebels killing 11 people, of which 9 were Christian between two Christian villages.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: surajiype on August 17, 2013, 10:59:22 AM
Yes,  Fox news is covering Egypt in a way the major networks are not doing and it is refreshing considering the reputation Fox News earned during Bush's Iraq War.
Alas nothing can be expected from CNN other than the White House line handed out by Obama's pant suit team.
I try and balance news from the West with those from RT to get a more wholesome picture. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on August 17, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now.  

They usually do a better job than the other major networks anyway.  But as you stated, they are the only ones I have found so far which have actually addressed this situation directly.  I watched an interview on Fox which talked about this only and why it isn't being covered elsewhere in America.  But still, not enough coverage if you ask me.
Bob Beckel, one of the liberals on Fox (yes, Fox has lots of them), brings it up every time Egypt is mentioned.

Fox's reputation for doing a better job is maligned by the competition they are beating.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 17, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
The majors are reporting on it now (some for the first time three days later). 52 churches destroyed in 24 hours.

"...in Alexandria, Arish, Assiut, Beni Suef, Cairo, Fayoum, Gharbiya, Giza, Minya, Qena, Sohag and Suez... churches and schools, as well as homes and businesses [monasteries, orphanages, etc.] belonging to Coptic Christians... 'In the past two-and-a-half years, we've had more deaths of people just because they are Christians than in the last 20 years...'"

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/index.html

The crosses being painted on the homes and businesses of Christians reminds one of the usage of the star of David in Nazi Germany.

Map in USA Today:

(http://i.imgur.com/54WzUyr.png)

http://www.usatoday.com/interactive/2659967/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 17, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
Quote
"The Qatari-owned media company Al-Jazeera saw 22 members of its staff in Egypt resign on Monday over what they allege was “biased coverage” of the events that unfolded in Cairo last week.

Al-Jazeera correspondent Haggag Salama was among those who resigned, accusing the station of “airing lies and misleading viewers,” Gulf News reported Monday.

Former anchor Karem Mahmoud said he left because of “biased coverage.”

...He added that the channel’s management would instruct staff members to favor the Muslim Brotherhood.

Journalist Abdel Latif el-Menawy, who was head of the Egypt News Center under ex-president Hosni Mubarak, said that Al-Jazeera was a “propaganda channel” for the Brotherhood.

“Al Jazeera turned itself into a channel for the Muslim Brotherhood group,” el-Menawy told Al Arabiya. “They are far away from being professional. When the Muslim Brotherhood collapsed, they continued to play the role.”



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/9/we-aired-lies-al-jazeera-staff-quit-over-biased-eg/#ixzz2cFn9MpiS

What's the difference between Al Jazeera selectively reported and omitted and what the U. S major media reported and omitted for three days? The Russian media was reporting the bigger picture from the very beginning. It's not as if the information wasn't there.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Apotheoun on August 17, 2013, 03:22:20 PM
Communiqué issued by Pope  Tawadros II (http://blogcopte.fr/2013/08/17/news-communique-du-pape-tawadros-ii-apres-le-troisieme-jour-consecutif-des-attaques-contre-les-eglises/)

The communiqué from the Coptic Orthodox Church is available in both French and English at the link above.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 17, 2013, 03:56:00 PM


Quote from: Pope Tawadros II
We strongly denounce the fallacies broadcasted by the western media and invite them to review the facts objectively regarding these bloody radical organizations and their affiliates instead of legitimizing them with global support and political protection while they attempt to spread devastation and destruction in our dear land. We request that the international and western media adhere to providing a comprehensive account of all events with truth, accuracy, and honesty. Communiqué issued by Pope  Tawadros II (http://blogcopte.fr/2013/08/17/news-communique-du-pape-tawadros-ii-apres-le-troisieme-jour-consecutif-des-attaques-contre-les-eglises/)
That would be nice.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on August 17, 2013, 04:43:19 PM
I do not think that the West is searching for the truth. They have agendas and they want to achieve their goals in Egypt, and the MB was executing their strategies very efficiently. This is the scary part. The West will not go away nor will their agendas for the destruction of the Middle East around ther favourite state.

They do not lack the resources to know the reality of what is happening. They choose to ignore it. They just happen to support terrorism. They be not be persuaded that indeed the Egyptians hate the Islamists. They can only be made to submit to this fact. How?

We are living out Isaiah 19.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 18, 2013, 12:00:44 AM
This is a harrowing story, detailing some of the atrocities that are happening:

Quote
CAIRO (AP) — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt's ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.

...


http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 18, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
This is a harrowing story, detailing some of the atrocities that are happening:

Quote
CAIRO (AP) — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt's ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.

...


http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html
A bully never changes.  When challenged, they threaten.  When they are unsuccessful in their threat, they target the weak who either can't or won't defend themselves.  They want power and control and when they can't have, people suffer.  Right and wrong doesn't matter to the bully, only control.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 18, 2013, 03:42:56 AM
Finally, its on the front page of Fox.

Egyptian Islamists attack Christian churches

Quote
After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/18/egyptian-islamists-attack-christian-churches/#ixzz2cIzQVvSu

To be fair, CNN has an article as well.

Quote
For 67 years, the Virgin Mary Church has been a peaceful refuge for Shenouda El Sayeh, much like the Giza province village of Kafr Hakim where it rests and where he has lived all those years.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Shiny on August 18, 2013, 05:21:29 AM
I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRtskf3CEAEgvVB.jpg)

https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."
This moves me.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: psalm110 on August 18, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDx_n4av0KU

Video of the Barbaric Attack on St. George Church in Soha
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: psalm110 on August 18, 2013, 11:37:23 AM
I do not think that the West is searching for the truth. They have agendas and they want to achieve their goals in Egypt, and the MB was executing their strategies very efficiently. This is the scary part. The West will not go away nor will their agendas for the destruction of the Middle East around ther favourite state.

They do not lack the resources to know the reality of what is happening. They choose to ignore it. They just happen to support terrorism. They be not be persuaded that indeed the Egyptians hate the Islamists. They can only be made to submit to this fact. How?

We are living out Isaiah 19.

Isaiah 19:2 was fulfilled 700BC - 600BC when Pharaoh Piye came into power and the rest of Isaiah 19 with the centuries to come.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on August 18, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
Wow! Glory to God!

"The Egyptian defense minister has ordered the repair and reconstruction of all churches that suffered damage in the country’s violent demonstrations... 'The Egyptian defense minister ordered the engineering department of the armed forces to swiftly repair all the affected churches, in recognition of the historical and national role played by our Coptic brothers,' read a statement that aired on Egyptian television. Bishop Mousa thanked Sisi for his efforts to repair the damaged churches. 'We thank Col. Gen. Sisi for commissioning the brave Egyptian armed forces to rebuild the places of worship damaged during the recent events,' Bishop Mousa said on Twitter...."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 18, 2013, 11:33:01 PM
Wow! Glory to God!

"The Egyptian defense minister has ordered the repair and reconstruction of all churches that suffered damage in the country’s violent demonstrations... 'The Egyptian defense minister ordered the engineering department of the armed forces to swiftly repair all the affected churches, in recognition of the historical and national role played by our Coptic brothers,' read a statement that aired on Egyptian television. Bishop Mousa thanked Sisi for his efforts to repair the damaged churches. 'We thank Col. Gen. Sisi for commissioning the brave Egyptian armed forces to rebuild the places of worship damaged during the recent events,' Bishop Mousa said on Twitter...."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/


I hope they are able to follow through with the promise.  I just found a list of churches, organizations, businesses, homes, etc. attacked or destroyed as of last night.  It seems that in addition to Coptic Orthodox churches and institutions, they also went after Catholics, Protestants, and at least one Greek Orthodox church:

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Three churches and six buildings at the monastery of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am in Dalga, Minya, Upper Egypt
The church of Mar-Mina in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The bishopric church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Sohag, Upper Egypt
The church of the Holy Virgin in Nazla, Fayoum, Lower Egypt
The Baptist church in Beni-Mazar, Minya
Coptic-owned shops in Gumhouriya Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Good Shepherd School in Suez
The Fransiscan School in Suez
The Holy Bible Society in Fayoum
The church of al-Amir Tawadros (St Theodore) in Fayoum
The church of the Holy Virgin in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The Catholic church of St Mark, Minya
The Jesuit church in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Mar-Morqos (St Mark) and its community centre, Sohag
18 houses of Coptic families in Dalga, Minya, including the home of Father Angaelus Melek of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am’s
The Evangelical church on Nassara Street in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Anba Moussa al-Aswad in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacies, and a doctor’s clinic in Minya
The Jesuit church in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The St Fatima Basilica in Cairo (attacked, not burned)
St Joseph’s School in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The Nile boat al-Dahabiya, owned by the Evangelical Church in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacy, and hotels on Karnak Street and Cleopatra Street in Luxor (attacked and looted)
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Wasta (attacked)
The church of St Michael on Nemeis Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Adventist church in Assiut; the pastor and his wife were both kidnapped
The Greek church in Suez
The church of Mar-Girgis in Assiut
Coptic houses on Qulta Street in Assiut attacked
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Arish, North Sinai
The church of St Dimiana and the Evangelical church in the village of Zerbi in Fayoum
The offices of the Evangelical foundation in Minya, and those of Umm al-Nour in Beni-Mazar, Minya
The church of Anba Antonius in Kerdassa, Giza
The bishopric church in Etfeeh, Giza

The article this came from has more details of the attack, including how in one instance the attackers first managed to cut off the local water supply so the fires could not be put out.

http://orientale-lumen.blogspot.com/2013/08/egypt-list-of-christian-churches.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Maria on August 18, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Wow! Glory to God!

"The Egyptian defense minister has ordered the repair and reconstruction of all churches that suffered damage in the country’s violent demonstrations... 'The Egyptian defense minister ordered the engineering department of the armed forces to swiftly repair all the affected churches, in recognition of the historical and national role played by our Coptic brothers,' read a statement that aired on Egyptian television. Bishop Mousa thanked Sisi for his efforts to repair the damaged churches. 'We thank Col. Gen. Sisi for commissioning the brave Egyptian armed forces to rebuild the places of worship damaged during the recent events,' Bishop Mousa said on Twitter...."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/16/egyptian-military-chief-vows-to-rebuild-coptic-churches/


I hope they are able to follow through with the promise.  I just found a list of churches, organizations, businesses, homes, etc. attacked or destroyed as of last night.  It seems that in addition to Coptic Orthodox churches and institutions, they also went after Catholics, Protestants, and at least one Greek Orthodox church:

Quote
Three churches and six buildings at the monastery of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am in Dalga, Minya, Upper Egypt
The church of Mar-Mina in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The bishopric church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Sohag, Upper Egypt
The church of the Holy Virgin in Nazla, Fayoum, Lower Egypt
The Baptist church in Beni-Mazar, Minya
Coptic-owned shops in Gumhouriya Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Good Shepherd School in Suez
The Fransiscan School in Suez
The Holy Bible Society in Fayoum
The church of al-Amir Tawadros (St Theodore) in Fayoum
The church of the Holy Virgin in the district of Abu-Hilal in the town of Minya
The Catholic church of St Mark, Minya
The Jesuit church in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Mar-Morqos (St Mark) and its community centre, Sohag
18 houses of Coptic families in Dalga, Minya, including the home of Father Angaelus Melek of the Holy Virgin and Anba Abra’am’s
The Evangelical church on Nassara Street in Abu-Hilal, Minya
The church of Anba Moussa al-Aswad in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacies, and a doctor’s clinic in Minya
The Jesuit church in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The St Fatima Basilica in Cairo (attacked, not burned)
St Joseph’s School in Minya (attacked, not burned)
The Nile boat al-Dahabiya, owned by the Evangelical Church in Minya
Coptic-owned shops, pharmacy, and hotels on Karnak Street and Cleopatra Street in Luxor (attacked and looted)
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Wasta (attacked)
The church of St Michael on Nemeis Street in Assiut, Upper Egypt
The Adventist church in Assiut; the pastor and his wife were both kidnapped
The Greek church in Suez
The church of Mar-Girgis in Assiut
Coptic houses on Qulta Street in Assiut attacked
The church of Mar-Girgis (St George) in Arish, North Sinai
The church of St Dimiana and the Evangelical church in the village of Zerbi in Fayoum
The offices of the Evangelical foundation in Minya, and those of Umm al-Nour in Beni-Mazar, Minya
The church of Anba Antonius in Kerdassa, Giza
The bishopric church in Etfeeh, Giza

The article this came from has more details of the attack, including how in one instance the attackers first managed to cut off the local water supply so the fires could not be put out.

http://orientale-lumen.blogspot.com/2013/08/egypt-list-of-christian-churches.html

Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on August 20, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
While it is not the usual persecution Copts face, and it was not targeted to Copts, it entails a confession and martyrdom of a Coptic solider who found himself in the midst of a terrorist attack.

Among the 25 Egyptian army soldiers murdered yesterday in Rafah, Sinai by Hamas / Jihad / Gamaa Islameya, there was one Coptic soldier named Mina.

The 24 muslim soldiers were killed execution style with a bullet to the back of the head, after having their hands and feet tied. May God have mercy on their souls and give their families comfort.

The Coptic solider, Mina, was not shot in head. He was bled to death slowly for over 20 hours. Pray for us, Mina !   
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on August 20, 2013, 10:13:38 PM
The 24 muslim soldiers were killed execution style with a bullet to the back of the head, after having their hands and feet tied. May God have mercy on their souls and give their families comfort.

The Coptic solider, Mina, was not shot in head. He was bled to death slowly for over 20 hours. Pray for us, Mina !   

Amen!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Kerdy on August 20, 2013, 10:14:43 PM
I know all the screaming liberals hate him, but you realize Glenn Beck has been on top of this for awhile now.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on August 21, 2013, 07:55:02 AM
This is not Muslim vs Christian, this is the MB vs Egypt.

After Attacks, Rebuilding Coptic Churches in Minya, Egypt.
By Matt Bradley, August 20, 2013, 10:51 AM.

excerpt:

We went back alone a few minutes later without the guides. After asking around, we found a local Coptic Christian resident named Osama.

He laughed when we told him that we had been advised to steer clear of the neighborhood. He introduced us to his Muslim neighbors and said that despite the religious divisions, he had never experienced any real sectarian tension before last week.

To prove it, he said he had been one of five Christian men who had spent several hours defending the church from angry thugs during Wednesday’s violence.

During the fight, they were joined by five Muslim men from the neighborhood. They had come to defend the church, and to risk their lives in the effort.


http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2013/08/20/after-attacks-rebuilding-coptic-churches-in-minya-egyp/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2013/08/20/after-attacks-rebuilding-coptic-churches-in-minya-egyp/)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 27, 2013, 12:33:20 AM
http://www.aina.org/news/20130826084354.htm

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"In much of Egypt, security conditions are improving but not in Giza and Al Minya" says the priest.In this regard, Fr. Greiche reported the assault against a Coptic Orthodox monastery in a small village near Al Minya. "A group of people attacked the monastery and beat the monks. The police intervened but it was too late for the monks who were taken to hospital. One is still in hospital, the other was discharged". "It must be said that it is not always easy for the police to move in areas such as Minya, where Christians are always on the alert for the presence of various jihadist groups", said Fr. Greiche.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 30, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
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The Christian Copts of Shubra al-Khaima, Egypt, are in a "state of panic and terror" as "a number of supporters of ousted President Muhammad Morsi have been placing markings on Christian homes in the area for [future] targeting."

Speaking anonymously, one Copt from the region told Veto News agency that they "recently noticed strange movements in the streets. When they went to inspect, they discovered large numbers of bearded men, who began to quicken their steps. They tried to catch up with them but couldn't. When they returned, they discovered "X" marks in black on the homes of Copts, separating them out [from Muslim homes]."


http://www.aina.org/news/20130830122840.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on August 31, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
Video of a mob attacking a Coptic church, setting it on fire, and toppling the cross on top.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/30/video-from-egypt-shows-muslim-mob-attacking-christian-church-taking-down-cross/#
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 02, 2013, 04:19:35 PM
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CAIRO (AFP) -- Suspected Islamists on Sunday shot dead a Coptic Christian man in Egypt's restive Sinai peninsula where several extremist groups operate, security sources told AFP.


http://www.aina.org/news/20130902012317.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on September 06, 2013, 08:29:29 AM
In south Egypt, Islamists take over a town
By HAMZA HENDAWI— Sep. 6 2:42 AM EDT

DALGA, Egypt (AP) — The Coptic Orthodox priest would only talk to his visitor after hiding from the watchful eyes of the bearded Muslim outside, who sported a pistol bulging from under his robe.

So Father Yoannis moved behind a wall in the charred skeleton of an ancient monastery to describe how it was torched by Islamists and then looted when they took over this southern Egyptian town following the ouster of the country's president.

"The fire in the monastery burned intermittently for three days. The looting continued for a week. At the end, not a wire or an electric switch is left," Yoannis told The Associated Press. The monastery's 1,600-year-old underground chapel was stripped of ancient icons and the ground was dug up on the belief that a treasure was buried there.

"Even the remains of ancient and revered saints were disturbed and thrown around," he said.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/south-egypt-islamists-take-over-town (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/south-egypt-islamists-take-over-town)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on September 06, 2013, 11:57:33 AM
yahoo news also has this story.
may God have mercy on all those who suffer and may He continue to soften the hearts of their neighbours (many of who are impressed with the courage of the Christians and asking where they get it from).
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on September 13, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
Across Egypt, piles of ash where church pews once stood

Anti-Christian attacks have swept through Egypt since Islamist leader Mohamed Morsi was ousted. Christian properties have been desecrated and reduced to rubble.

By Kristen Chick, Correspondent / September 12, 2013

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0912/Across-Egypt-piles-of-ash-where-church-pews-once-stood-video (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0912/Across-Egypt-piles-of-ash-where-church-pews-once-stood-video)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 13, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
The jizya tax is being imposed on Christians in some parts of Egypt, and two Copts have already been killed for refusing to pay it:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130913143703.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 17, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
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An Egyptian state-run human rights body has condemned sectarian attacks on Coptic Christians in the Upper Egyptian governorate of Minya.

The National Council for Human Rights (NCHR) issued a statement Monday condemning the attacks targeting Christians in Minya and stating that the "onslaught" proves that Christians are being intentionally targeted because of their religious beliefs.

According to the statement, the attacks included the burning and demolishing of Christian religious centres and Christians' homes and property. The assaults also included forced displacement, theft and the imposition of a "tax" on some Christian residents.

...


http://www.aina.org/news/20130917173541.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 24, 2013, 08:55:17 PM
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The recent attacks against Copts in Upper Egypt in the wake of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi's ouster were the largest in Egypt's modern history, a report published by the Egyptian Centre for Public Policy Studies (ECPPS) stated.  While there have been many attacks against churches reported since Morsi's removal from power on 3 July, the most comprehensive wave of attacks was triggered by the dispersal of the two main pro-Morsi sit-ins' in Cairo and Giza on 14 August, which left hundreds dead and thousands injured.

The ECPPS, a liberal Egyptian NGO, investigated the 14 August attacks on churches, Coptic associations, and Coptic-owned property, releasing their findings in a September report entitled "Oppressed under different regimes -- Egypt's Christians between sectarian violence and state negligence."

"On the morning of 14 August, residents of several Upper Egyptian cities and villages woke up to loud calls emanating from certain mosques to attack Copts whom they said aided the Egyptian police in waging a war on Islam and killing protesters in Cairo," ECPPS researcher Mohamed Abdel-Wahab announced during a press conference for the report on Monday.

...

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130924150029.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 30, 2013, 12:24:27 AM
Six Christians expelled from Egyptian village:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130929170058.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Alpo on September 30, 2013, 12:30:22 AM
The whole Middle East has become crazy. Kyrie eleison.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Santagranddad on September 30, 2013, 03:21:25 AM
Six Christians expelled from Egyptian village:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130929170058.htm

The whole thing smacks of the Moslem intolerants regarding their Christian neighbours as cattle to be milked, pushed around and generally mistreated at will. No one with an ounce of sense may typify Islam as anything else but a preparation for the Antichrist.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on September 30, 2013, 12:16:49 PM
Coptic and independent news outlets reported today that an assassination attempt targeting Anba Macarius, Bishop of Menia (Upper Egypt City). The Coptic Episcopate of Menia has issued a statement to confirm the news.

Some articles in arabic:

http://www.copts-united.com/Article.php?I=1673&A=112670

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/2162461

http://www.elaosboa.com/show.asp?id=17121&page=localnews
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 03, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
may God protect him and give all the Christians peace and strength and love for their neighbours.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 07, 2013, 12:40:01 AM
Six Christians expelled from Egyptian village:

http://www.aina.org/news/20130929170058.htm

More about this incident:

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(AINA) -- The family of a 22-year-old Coptic man, Kirollos Sabet, from Zakaria village, Minia province, said today their son is innocent of all accusations of having had an illicit affair with a Muslim woman. They also rejected the ruling to expel six family members from the village.

"We will leave only over our dead bodies," said Mr. Sabet, Kirollos's father.

According to the father, the parents of the Muslim woman in question had nothing to do with the Muslim attacks nor did they report any incident to the police, and affirmed that Kirollos had no relationship with their daughter. "They actually had their daughter undergo a gynecological exam, Said Mr. Sabet, "which proved the woman is 'untouched' [a virgin]."

The father said that Kirollos, who was arrested and imprisoned, was innocent of all allegations and "the whole story was fabricated by Muslim hard-liners from neighboring village to cause sectarian strife. It started when Kirillos was walking on the country lane, coincidently behind that Muslim woman, and he was followed by over ten young Muslim men who took him to an unknown location, beat him and warned him against having relationships with Muslim females. We kept quiet and did not want to make an issue out of it or report it to the police."

Read more here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20131006190805.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 07, 2013, 08:48:53 PM
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Copts in Egypt's Delga return to broken homes
By Jay Deshmukh | AFP – 14 hrs ago

Delga (Egypt) (AFP) - Samir Hanna, an Egyptian Copt, returned to his home in the town of Delga a short while ago, but only to find it torched and looted by masked Islamist men.

"Hundreds of them attacked our homes, many of them wearing masks," said the 43-year-old farmer inside his gutted house. "My home was looted, set on fire and destroyed."

On August 14, mobs of Islamists unleashed a wave of violence in Delga -- attacking Coptic homes, centuries-old churches and terrorising Christian families.


Read more here:

http://news.yahoo.com/copts-egypts-delga-back-broken-homes-shattered-trust-072541201.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on October 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
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(AINA) -- Two unidentified gunmen riding motorcycles opened fire on guests exiting the Virgin Church, located in Warrag, Giza. The gunmen fired automatic weapons as the guests exited the church after attending a wedding ceremony. According to Reverend Justus, the pastor of the church, one man, one women and one 8 year old girl were killed, and 18 were injured.


http://www.aina.org/news/20131020182916.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on October 21, 2013, 04:30:56 PM
Lord have mercy and give courage and comfort to the people.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 02, 2013, 09:39:48 PM
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As recently revealed on CTV, in a village called Maghlaga, in the district of Malawi--where Muslim Brotherhood supporters earlier ransacked and plundered a museum housing Egyptian antiquities--a Muslim gang leader known as "Saddam" has been going to every one of the approximately 80 Coptic households in the village demanding jizya/extortion money from them.

...

During the live news show it was further revealed that in the region of Shubrat al-Khaima, another young Coptic child was kidnapped, with demands that his parents pay 250,000 EP (nearly 40,000 USD). After the father complied and met them alone with the money in a secret place, the kidnappers took the money, beat the father severely, and still kept his child.

Such hate for Egypt's Christians is hardly unprecedented. Earlier another Muslim man kidnapped a 6-year-old Christian boy and, after the family paid the ransom, still killed the child and threw his body in his sewer.


http://www.aina.org/news/20131102155842.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tamara on November 02, 2013, 11:03:00 PM
Lord have mercy on the Copts! Holy Theotokos  protect your beloved children of Egypt!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Math lover on November 08, 2013, 08:15:35 AM
Can Copts go underground and conceal their faith? I am a Shia, and we have a long history of doing this considering the persecution we have endured and are enduring.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on November 08, 2013, 11:09:27 AM
Can Copts go underground and conceal their faith? I am a Shia, and we have a long history of doing this considering the persecution we have endured and are enduring.
Actually we shouldn't have to. We are given legal status to worship. The problem is we are still targeted and scapegoated. We sympathize however with a lot of underground Egyptians, those who convert from Islam to Christianity, the Baha'is, and the Shias, all not protected under law, and all practice underground. There are ancient underground churches in Egypt reminiscient of the Roman times of severe Christian persecution, and I'm sure there are some today in several areas in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on November 08, 2013, 06:34:33 PM
Can Copts go underground and conceal their faith? I am a Shia, and we have a long history of doing this considering the persecution we have endured and are enduring.

Welcome Math Lover.

I know from close Shia friends that they would never pray behind a Sunni Imam even if there neck is on the line, and they would consider this an apostacy, yet they were worshipping in private masjeeds and were not trying to provoke any Sunnis in public.

You could say the same thing about Copts. The only problem is that it is now very obvious, just by appearance, who is Christian and who is Sunni in Egypt.   


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 13, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
Egypt's Christians close ranks as kidnappings spike

Close to 100 Christians have been kidnapped for ransom in southern Egypt since the 2011 revolution. Frustrated by police indifference, Christians are now demanding action.

By Kristen Chick, Correspondent / November 12, 2013

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1112/Egypt-s-Christians-close-ranks-as-kidnappings-spike (http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1112/Egypt-s-Christians-close-ranks-as-kidnappings-spike)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Math lover on November 13, 2013, 02:09:57 PM
Egypt's Christians close ranks as kidnappings spike

Close to 100 Christians have been kidnapped for ransom in southern Egypt since the 2011 revolution. Frustrated by police indifference, Christians are now demanding action.

By Kristen Chick, Correspondent / November 12, 2013

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1112/Egypt-s-Christians-close-ranks-as-kidnappings-spike (http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/1112/Egypt-s-Christians-close-ranks-as-kidnappings-spike)

How do the terrorists spot the Copts? Is it written on their IDs?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on November 13, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
no big bushy beard, no hijab, chain around neck (even if cross is under clothes, the chain is often visible), cross tattoo on wrist...

ok, there are occasional copts with big bushy beards, but these are mainly priests (obvious by them wearing a large black galabeya with a big cross) and very few young men who like the beard fashion.
also there are many old ladies in villages who cover their heads, but they tend to have cross tattoos.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Math lover on November 13, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
no big bushy beard, no hijab, chain around neck (even if cross is under clothes, the chain is often visible), cross tattoo on wrist...

ok, there are occasional copts with big bushy beards, but these are mainly priests (obvious by them wearing a large black galabeya with a big cross) and very few young men who like the beard fashion.
also there are many old ladies in villages who cover their heads, but they tend to have cross tattoos.

How about hiding their stuff? Maybe the government doesn't care about Copts, it could be for propaganda.
If Shias are killed (like the sheikh that was beaten to death last June), imagine Copts...
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on November 13, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
what is it you suggest they hide?
i don't get it...
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Math lover on November 13, 2013, 02:30:49 PM
what is it you suggest they hide?
i don't get it...

Hiding their symbols so that they don't get recognized as Copts on the spot and killed/kidnapped.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on November 13, 2013, 02:43:47 PM
we don't really want to hide our faith, because it is very beautiful and we love to see other people blessed and filled with the love of God.
we tuck our crosses inside sometimes so that we don't cause offense; we are not actively looking for trouble,
but it is equally important to us to show that we are not ashamed of what we believe and not afraid to die or suffer.
we know that through the death of the martyrs, God shows His mercy and grace.

Christian life is about showing people God's love (we are not always good at this, sorry!) and being available to give people 'a reason for the hope' that is in us.
(1 peter chapter 3, verse 16; in the Bible)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on November 13, 2013, 04:47:04 PM
Indeed most Christians in Egypt do possess a Cross tattoo on their right wrist as a show of fearlessness of their faith, even in the midst of any hostility.  It's not required, but it's a popular thing Copts do.  In addition, the Egyptian national ID does reveal one's registered religion.  So, no one technically is hidden from their true religious identity, unless one is hiding their identity post-conversion (in other words apostasy from Islam).

(http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5bb353ef015392fe6df2970b-pi)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 13, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
Nice tattoo, Mina.   :)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on November 13, 2013, 11:31:06 PM
Nice tattoo, Mina.   :)

Oh no, that's not me, I just found this on google images…lol
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 15, 2013, 12:33:45 PM
Violence Against Copts in Egypt
Jason Brownlee, November 14, 2013

excerpt:

Anti-Coptic violence during the past forty years emerged from the intersection of religious discourse and authoritarian control. Sadat promoted Islam in public life and rebuilt the Nasserist police state as a means of shoring up his political position. Coptic complaints about Morsi, which grew during his twelve-month tenure, are rightly seen in this light: the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood and allied conservative Islamists exposed the Copts’ political predicament, a predicament that had been produced by the old regime. Thus, the end of Egypt’s first Islamist presidency does not presage a golden age for Muslim-Coptic relations, but merely a return to the subtler, pernicious problems of the Sadat-Mubarak era.

Violence against Egypt’s Coptic community, the largest population of Christians in the Middle East, must be viewed in its historical and institutional context. Any attack by Muslims on Copts carries a sectarian element, but it is Egypt’s outdated laws and authoritarian institutions, not confessional differences, that have made Copts a target of social conflict.

Aside from physical assaults, Copts face numerous forms of quotidian discrimination. Copts have been customarily barred from positions of leadership (including university presidencies and governorships, with a few exceptions discussed below) as well as positions deemed sensitive to national security, from the upper echelons of the security apparatus to the pedagogical front lines where Copts are prevented from teaching Arabic. Everyday forms of prejudice no doubt contribute to a climate of insecurity. Institutional changes will not be sufficient to bring about a shift in social attitudes, but state officials can build an environment where such shifts are much more likely to take place.


http://carnegieendowment.org/2013/11/14/violence-against-copts-in-egypt/gtsf (http://carnegieendowment.org/2013/11/14/violence-against-copts-in-egypt/gtsf)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 27, 2013, 01:49:33 AM
http://www.aina.org/news/20131126200435.htm

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Three months after the Egyptian Army liberated Delga from militant Muslims, Islamists and criminals are terrorizing Christians in other towns across Egypt, human rights activists said.

Islamists in the towns are again charging Jizya, a Koranic fine on non-Muslims also known as the "submission" or "humiliation" tax, after a lull following the retaking of Delga on Sept. 16, said human rights activists within the country. In several towns across Egypt, Muslim extremists and criminals have set up a cottage industry persecuting Christians for profit, the activists said.

Extortionists using the threat of kidnapping, torture and murder are seizing money, land and other property from Christians throughout the southern part of the country but mainly in Minya and Assiut governorates.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on November 27, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
An interesting testimony to the way Copts in Egypt respond to the attacks they receive:

http://episcopaldigitalnetwork.com/ens/2013/11/26/traveler-finds-coptic-christians-loving-their-neighbors-despite-attacks/

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Pope Tawadros II gave them a cross that says in Arabic, “Love never fails.” And he asked for American Christians to continue to pray for him and the church, to not forget what had happened and to love the people around them, Rogers said. “How do you help Egypt? He basically said, ‘Love your neighbor.’”
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 01, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
Horrible details of attacks on Copts in Libya, including torture and killings for refusing to convert to Islam:

http://www.aina.org/news/20131201175026.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on December 01, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
Horrible details of attacks on Copts in Libya, including torture and killings for refusing to convert to Islam:

http://www.aina.org/news/20131201175026.htm
Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on December 02, 2013, 05:22:34 PM
Lord have mercy, and repose the souls of our brave brothers.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Pharaoh714 on December 02, 2013, 06:00:36 PM
Horrible details of attacks on Copts in Libya, including torture and killings for refusing to convert to Islam:

http://www.aina.org/news/20131201175026.htm
Lord have mercy!

May Christ rest their souls in everlasting peace, and count them with the Martyrs and confessors.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on December 03, 2013, 03:08:00 AM
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(AINA) -- Two unidentified gunmen riding motorcycles opened fire on guests exiting the Virgin Church, located in Warrag, Giza. The gunmen fired automatic weapons as the guests exited the church after attending a wedding ceremony. According to Reverend Justus, the pastor of the church, one man, one women and one 8 year old girl were killed, and 18 were injured.


http://www.aina.org/news/20131020182916.htm

Imagine a mother forgiving and praying for those who killed her daughter!  A mother who asks all Egyptians to pray that God enlighten their hearts, that they may repent, who wishes no evil thing be done to them, but that they repent to God, and to have their hearts enlightened by God.  This actually brought a tear to my eye:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQj-qCt2wNU

Translation highlights of the Mother of Mariam Nabil, the martyred 12-year-old girl shot in the Holy Virgin Church in Warraq, Egypt on October 20, 2013:

"I pray that God enlighten their eyes to the truth...

...I know my daughter is with me.  She may be gone with flesh, but her spirit is still alive, comforting and assuring me.

...It's truly a blessing to have someone in heaven.  They do nothing but send us to heaven quicker.  What they think is jihad is really a blessing for us.  We'll all die one day, but what they do in the end makes it quicker for us to go to heaven
...
I wanted her to be a nun in Convent of the Holy Virgin.  The fact that she died in front of the Church of the Holy Virgin is a coincidence...but now she's for the Virgin.
...
I want to tell them who killed my daughter, I saw her!  She's beautiful, and I've never seen her this beautiful before!  ... You took away my chance to hug her and love her, so I asked her and I asked God to see her.  And God granted me that I may see her.  She was beautiful...white robe, long hair, light all around.  ... I was assured.
...
Host:  Truthfully, you have an amazing sense of forgiveness for many of us who do not understand this forgiveness! ... usually people in your situation wish death upon these killers, and in fact, to kill them themselves!
Mother: I don't want to kill them.  I don't want them to die.  God forbid anything bad happen to them.  God forbid they die before they repent.  I desire that they repent before they get into the hands of our Lord.
...
The door of repentance is open.  We always pray to God, "Oh Lord, if there's anything evil in us, please clean it away!" I wish them likewise.
...
One last thing:  I want the Egyptian people to know that we have greater weapons than the weapons used by the killers.  We have prayers and fastings!  No greater weapons than these!"
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on December 03, 2013, 04:29:17 PM
wow, she is awesome, like our saints of old.
may God reward her and give her and all the family and friends great comfort and peace.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on December 04, 2013, 12:19:38 AM
What a wonderful Christian woman!

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tamara on December 04, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
Amazing. These Coptic Christians are an inspiration for the whole world to turn to Christ.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on December 13, 2013, 09:44:22 AM
New Jersey: Muslim Brotherhood Attack on Coptic Bishop
By Raymond Ibrahim on December 12, 2013 in From The Arab World, Muslim Persecution of Christians

Followers of the Muslim Brotherhood reportedly tried to assault Coptic Bishop Paul (“Boula” in Arabic), who represents the Coptic Church in Egypt’s 50-member constitution committee, during his visit to the inauguration of Coptic Bishop David in New Jersey.

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/new-jersey-muslim-brotherhood-attack-on-coptic-bishop/ (http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/new-jersey-muslim-brotherhood-attack-on-coptic-bishop/)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on December 13, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
thank God they didn't seem to get far enough inside the building.
bishop boula is a lovely, Godly man who i have seen when he visited uk.
may God protect him and all Christians.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on December 14, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
One of the bravest Egyptians ever, a great saint in the sense of the word:

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Muhammad Hijāzī, born in Port Said in 1982, converted to Christianity in 1998 at the age of 16. Now 31, he was arrested on December 4, 2013 in the governorate of Minya on charges of espionage, inciting sectarian tension through evangelism, and unlicensed photography and journalism.

In 2007 Hijāzī became the first Egyptian convert to Christianity to petition the state to change the religion field on his ID card, and has changed his name to Bishoy Armia Boulos. According to his former lawyer, Mamdūh Nakhlah, had anyone else but Hijāzī been working in Minya, no charges would have been filed.

http://arabwestreport.info/year-2013/week-50/7-christian-convert-arrested-egypt-details-and-background

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: dzheremi on December 14, 2013, 04:58:41 PM
Absolutely. I've followed the Mohammed Hegazy case for the last several years. What a brave, brave man. A true beacon of light for us all. If I remember correctly, his wife also converted to Christianity and they have a daughter, so some people in Egypt want to put pressure on them by saying that if the daughter does not choose Islam by age 10 (or some such), she will be executed together with her parents. Sick. May God preserve the entire family.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on January 28, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
http://www.light-dark.net/topic/24675

Bullets fired from a car and targeting St. Mary's Church, the residence of Anba Domatius, Bishop of October 6 City, in Cairo. The security officer, Muhamed Taha, in charge of protecting the church was killed in the attack. May God have mercy on his soul. No other casualities occured.   
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on January 28, 2014, 04:31:57 PM
http://www.light-dark.net/topic/24675

Bullets fired from a car and targeting St. Mary's Church, the residence of Anba Domatius, Bishop of October 6 City, in Cairo. The security officer, Muhamed Taha, in charge of protecting the church was killed in the attack. May God have mercy on his soul. No other casualities occured.   
He though a "Samaritan", but more than a Good Samaritan, gave his life for the Church.  May his memory be eternal in the Lord!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on January 28, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
http://www.light-dark.net/topic/24675

Bullets fired from a car and targeting St. Mary's Church, the residence of Anba Domatius, Bishop of October 6 City, in Cairo. The security officer, Muhamed Taha, in charge of protecting the church was killed in the attack. May God have mercy on his soul. No other casualities occured.   
He though a "Samaritan", but more than a Good Samaritan, gave his life for the Church.  May his memory be eternal in the Lord!

Ya rab. 

The officer fired back with his gun, and managed to hit one of the five criminals who carried the attack, but it was not enough confronting of two autmatic gun machines as per the eye witnesses. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 18, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
The martyrdom of a Syrian Family in Alexandria, Egypt:

On Monday, January 17, 2014, A Syrian family residing in El-Ibrahimia district of Alexandria, Egypt, was killed by Islamists. The family  consists of the father, Youssef Nakhla, working in tourism in Sharm El-Sheikh, and the mother, Mona Nakhla, a 4-year old child, Michel Youssef and his young aunt, Abeer Hanna, have been stabbed to death and multilated alive. Their home was put on fire in an attempt to cover for the crime details.

The police statement mentions that the family was loyal to Bashar EL-Asaad. Egyptian media did not mention that they are Syrian but stated their Christianity.

Pray for us , family of martyrs.
 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 19, 2014, 07:20:29 PM
Pray for us , family of martyrs.
 

Amen!

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Christian Syrian Family Slaughtered in Egypt
by OCP on FEBRUARY 19, 2014

A Christian Syrian family living in Alexandria, Egypt, was barbarically stabbed to death Monday in their home in the al-Ibrahimya neighborhood, Arabic media are reporting.

The family consisted of a father, 44, his wife, 35, their 6-year-old son, Michael, and the wife’s brother.

After the murders, the house, where the family had been living for years, was set on fire by the murderers before being put out by authorities.

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/christian-syrian-family-slaughtered-in-egypt/

New Martyr St Michael Youssef:

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Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 19, 2014, 07:59:27 PM
Lord, have mercy!

Pray for us new martyred family of Christ!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 28, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
Seven Copts were killed in Bani Ghazi, Libya, by islamic militias.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/us-libya-egyptians-idUSBREA1N13V20140224

It is the only link in English by a known news agency that google came up with.

The seven Copts were from Upper Egypt, Suhag, and were working in construction. Their bodies was found on a beach in Bani Ghazi, killed in an execution style.

Anba Macarius, general bishop of Menia, Egypt, shed some light on the incident. The youngest of the Egyptian Christians was 16 years, and a muslim Libyan eye witness to the massacre has said that the murders have given the martyrs the ultimatum to convert to Islam or be killed. The choose martyrdom and should be considered martyrs.

In the funeral, their families and the congregations accused the MB and their closest ally, the US, of the killings.   
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on February 28, 2014, 12:47:15 PM
Seven Copts were killed in Bani Ghazi, Libya, by islamic militias.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/us-libya-egyptians-idUSBREA1N13V20140224

It is the only link in English by a known news agency that google came up with.

The seven Copts were from Upper Egypt, Suhag, and were working in construction. Their bodies was found on a beach in Bani Ghazi, killed in an execution style.

Anba Macarius, general bishop of Menia, Egypt, shed some light on the incident. The youngest of the Egyptian Christians was 16 years, and a muslim Libyan eye witness to the massacre has said that the murders have given the martyrs the ultimatum to convert to Islam or be killed. The choose martyrdom and should be considered martyrs.

In the funeral, their families and the congregations accused the MB and their closest ally, the US, of the killings.   

May the Seven Martyrs of Libya intercede for us at the Throne of God.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on March 01, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
Lord have mercy.
may God give us all strength to stand firm and spread His love whatever the cost.
may God give strength and mercy to all those in east europe too.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on March 28, 2014, 11:50:25 PM
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A Coptic woman, Mary George, was reportedely stabbed to death by pro-Morsi supporters in the same area. 

From:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/97767/Egypt/Politics-/Brotherhood-and-police-clashes-leave--dead-in-Ain-.aspx
(WARNING: contains some politic information; I'm only addressing the fact that in this political and volatile situation, yet another Copt was brutally murdered by Islamists).

Holy New Martyr, Mary George, may your blessed memory be eternal and may you pray for us!

Lord, have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on March 29, 2014, 06:17:30 PM
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A Coptic woman, Mary George, was reportedely stabbed to death by pro-Morsi supporters in the same area. 

From:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/97767/Egypt/Politics-/Brotherhood-and-police-clashes-leave--dead-in-Ain-.aspx
(WARNING: contains some politic information; I'm only addressing the fact that in this political and volatile situation, yet another Copt was brutally murdered by Islamists).

Holy New Martyr, Mary George, may your blessed memory be eternal and may you pray for us!

Lord, have mercy!

More info from copticworld:

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Mary Sameh George, a 25-year-old, was leaving church near Ain Shams when her car was stopped by angry Muslim Brotherhood protesters (allege Coptic officials and the government).

Mary was dragged from her car, beaten, stabbed 16 times and then strangled to death. Her car was then set on fire.

https://www.copticworld.org/articles/3358/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 29, 2014, 07:07:57 PM
Holy Martyr Mary, pray for us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Santagranddad on March 29, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
May she rest in peace.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on March 29, 2014, 07:25:54 PM
May God repose her and may she pray for us before His Throne.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on March 29, 2014, 08:18:49 PM
I'm sorry if this is an insensitive question, but given how frequently these killings happen and the reasons for which they happen, other than the popular acclamation of such people as martyrs and saints, has the Church given any thought to proclaiming them as such formally?  Or is there a desire to wait or otherwise not rock the boat? 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on March 30, 2014, 02:06:40 AM
I'm sorry if this is an insensitive question, but given how frequently these killings happen and the reasons for which they happen, other than the popular acclamation of such people as martyrs and saints, has the Church given any thought to proclaiming them as such formally?  Or is there a desire to wait or otherwise not rock the boat? 
Usually for religious killings like these, a prominent bishop presides over the funeral, giving a sermons of what is practically the silent agreement among what any other bishop or the patriarch himself would say, that these are martyrs, and how blessed they are that they are praying for us now.  It's not like there is an official Synodal proclamation, but every time this happens, even the late pope HH Pope Shenouda would say something very similar when these killings occur.  In a way, it's semi-formal.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 31, 2014, 08:37:09 PM
A tangent about the EU, the US, and hell was split off and put into the private politics forum. 

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,57618.new.html#top

If anyone wants to be admitted into the private forum, they can pm Fr. George for admission.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 03, 2014, 02:37:18 AM
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Islamists Torch Christians' Shops in South Egypt
Posted 2014-06-02 17:56 GMT
(AP) -- A security official in Egypt says a mob of angry Islamists has burned shops owned by Coptic Christians near the ancient city of Luxor hours before a trial for a Coptic Christian accused of blasphemy.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140602125626.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 03, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
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Islamists Torch Christians' Shops in South Egypt
Posted 2014-06-02 17:56 GMT
(AP) -- A security official in Egypt says a mob of angry Islamists has burned shops owned by Coptic Christians near the ancient city of Luxor hours before a trial for a Coptic Christian accused of blasphemy.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140602125626.htm
We'll see what comes of this "investigation." Let's hope it's not just another farce.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 16, 2014, 07:10:20 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/06/16/2-christians-kidnapped-egypts-sinai-peninsula

2 Coptic Christians kidnapped in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula

Dude, Sinai's a mess.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 17, 2014, 12:32:55 AM
More bad news:

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Egyptian Christian Teacher Sentenced for 'Insulting Islam'
http://english.ahram.org.eg
Posted 2014-06-15 21:18 GMT

A Coptic Christian school teacher has been sentenced to six months in prison on charges of insulting Islam.

...

According to a year-old report by the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), Emad didn't insult Islam, only "presented a comparison between religions in ancient, middle and modern ages as mentioned in the curriculum".

The report, which warned of similar cases becoming "a tool to oppress minorities", added that during investigations the majority of Emad's students denied that she had insulted Islam in her class...

Read more here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20140615161816.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on June 18, 2014, 10:56:34 AM
The Muslim Brotherhood kill Coptic man and drag him in the streets
Amany Moussa | 18 June 2014

In their demonstration in October 6 city yesterday, elements of the terrorist group of the Muslim Brotherhood killed and dragged a Coptic man called Shenouda, 25 years old, in the streets.
Police were reported and the matter is still under investigation.

http://www.copts-united.com/English/Details.php?I=1140&A=14681
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 18, 2014, 12:19:20 PM
The Muslim Brotherhood kill Coptic man and drag him in the streets
Amany Moussa | 18 June 2014

In their demonstration in October 6 city yesterday, elements of the terrorist group of the Muslim Brotherhood killed and dragged a Coptic man called Shenouda, 25 years old, in the streets.
Police were reported and the matter is still under investigation.

http://www.copts-united.com/English/Details.php?I=1140&A=14681
May the Lord repose his soul.

To be perfectly fair, while Christians are far more likely to experience such barbarism, the MB terror group has also killed many Egyptian Muslims who oppose their treachery.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 22, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-jails-killers-coptic-christians-201823181.html

Egypt jails killers of Coptic Christians

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Cairo (AFP) - A court in Egypt Sunday jailed three people for life and two to seven years for creating a "terrorist" group and killing four Copts in 2010, a judicial official said.

Another was sentenced in absentia to 10 years in prison, while a further 19 defendants were acquitted, the same source said.

They were accused of "forming an illegal group and using terrorist methods to target the police, foreign tourists and the Copts".

Justice, finally.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Alpo on June 22, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
Apparently Egypt's new goverement is taking seriously the persecution of Christians. Are they trying to buy international favour or are they genuinely concerned over their citizens?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 22, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
Apparently Egypt's new goverement is taking seriously the persecution of Christians. Are they trying to buy international favour or are they genuinely concerned over their citizens?
They have a bigger fish to fry, the MB. So they want to consolidate a strong support base from the MB's archenemies, the Christians. That, and I feel as if there has been a genuine change in the social atmosphere. A transition from religious conservatism to nationalism and secularism.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Alpo on June 22, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
Apparently Egypt's new goverement is taking seriously the persecution of Christians. Are they trying to buy international favour or are they genuinely concerned over their citizens?
They have a bigger fish to fry, the MB. So they want to consolidate a strong support base from the MB's archenemies, the Christians. That, and I feel as if there has been a genuine change in the social atmosphere. A transition from religious conservatism to nationalism and secularism.

That's nice. Hopefully they don't let nationalism and secularism get out of hand like it has in Turkey.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on June 24, 2014, 01:02:44 PM
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Journalist Bishoy Armia given 5 years in jail for inciting sectarianism

Journalist who made waves in 2008 over his public conversion to Christianity is accused of misrepresenting Christian oppression

Ahram Online , Monday 23 Jun 2014

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/104553/Egypt/Politics-/Journalist-Bishoy-Armia-given--years-in-jail-for-i.aspx

So he talks about how Coptic people are oppressed and gets jailed.  Great  ::)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on June 24, 2014, 01:12:30 PM
^He was allowed to change his name from Mohammed Hegazy to Bishoy Armia? ???

Well, that's a step, I guess...
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on June 24, 2014, 01:16:32 PM
^He was allowed to change his name from Mohammed Hegazy to Bishoy Armia? ???

Well, that's a step, I guess...
I'm not sure if he was successful yet.  He is self-described at least as Bishoy Armia (amazingly, even he changed his last name)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 26, 2014, 08:36:52 PM
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Christian Convicted of 'Blasphemy' in Egypt for 'Liking' Facebook Page
Morning Star News
Posted 2014-06-25 20:05 GMT

Judge Hazim Hany of Armant Criminal Court found Kerolos Shouky Attallah, 29, of Al-Mahamid village near Luxor, guilty of violating two articles of the Egyptian Penal Code -- Article 98F, defaming a divinely revealed religion, and Article 176, inciting sectarian violence.

Attallah was charged for "liking" an Arabic-language Facebook page administered by an anonymous group of Christian converts known as the Knights of the Cross. His attorney, Mohamed Ahmed Abd-Alaal, said Attallah did not make any comments on the site, share any of the postings or upload anything to it. Attallah promptly removed his name from the page once he realized the Facebook page offended some Muslims.

...


Read more here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20140625150553.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 25, 2014, 09:12:32 PM
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It's been two months since Coptic Christians in an Upper Egypt village endured a traumatic sequence of events ending in heavy police abuse. The victims still have not received any justice from the state security authorities who broke the law and violated its citizen's human rights.
On Sept. 16, in Deir Gabal al-Teir village, Egyptian security forces ambushed several Coptic homes in the middle of the night. They proceeded to steal and destroy the families' belongings before dragging dozens of residents out of their beds, binding their hands behind their backs and beating them with batons. The police then proceeded to drag them to the police station by a single rope.

The security forces collectively punished the villagers in response to a demonstration initiated by a group of Copts the previous day. They were protesting outside the station to pressure the police to investigate the disappearance that initially occurred nearly two weeks earlier, of 39-year-old Coptic woman Iman Morqos Saroufim.

Read more here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20141125154405.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 13, 2015, 12:54:39 AM
21 Copts were martyred in Libya today by Islamists.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 13, 2015, 02:42:43 AM
Lord have mercy.  I read earlier that ISIS claimed to have them, but that no one was sure if they were dead or alive.  This is sad news.   :'(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 13, 2015, 07:56:15 AM
do you have a source for that?
were they the ones they kidnapped a couple of weeks ago, or new ones?
may God rest their souls and comfort their family and friends.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: wgw on February 13, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
This is sad news indeed, but they have received the crown of martyrdom, and joined the company of Ss. Ignatius, Justin Martyr, George, Sergius and Bacchus Agnes, Abanoub and Mina, and New Martyrs like Ss. Tsarevich Alexei and Grand Duchess Amatasia, among other martyred saints.  God willing I'm going to a monastery today on a pilgrimage and if I'm able to go (my arthritis has been really bad in the past 12 hours, last night my tendons felt as though they were about to burst), I will dedicate ,y pilgrimage to them.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 13, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
do you have a source for that?
were they the ones they kidnapped a couple of weeks ago, or new ones?
may God rest their souls and comfort their family and friends.

http://www.el-balad.com/1387349
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 16, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
Although the video of the martyrdom by beheading with knives was disturbing, the terrorists gave us the most powerful recorded document of faith in the history of the Coptic Orthodox church.

The terrorists pronounced the verdict " they will be executed because they insisted to remain unbelievers. "

The martyrs were praying the arrow prayer, the confession of the right hand thief and beseeching God to accept their spirits. Nothing dramatic or fancy, only solid Coptic spirituality.


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: TheTrisagion on February 16, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
Lord, have mercy on your Holy Martyrs! May they intercede on our behalfs.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 16, 2015, 12:22:09 PM
Although the video of the martyrdom by beheading with knives was disturbing, the terrorists gave us the most powerful recorded document of faith in the history of the Coptic Orthodox church.

The terrorists pronounced the verdict " they will be executed because they insisted to remain unbelievers. "

The martyrs were praying the arrow prayer, the confession of the right hand thief and beseeching God to accept their spirits. Nothing dramatic or fancy, only solid Coptic spirituality.

Thanks, Stavro.  I wanted to ask what they were saying, but it seemed inappropriate at the time. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 16, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
21 Copts were martyred in Libya today by Islamists.

Their last words were "Jesus help me!" and they were reported to have refused to leave Christ.  May their prayers be with us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 16, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Holy Martyrs pray for us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on February 16, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
Lord have mercy.  :'(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Papist on February 16, 2015, 07:44:34 PM
Holy Martyrs Pray for us!

The courage of the Christians in the Middle East is just beyond impressive.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on February 17, 2015, 01:34:19 AM
Watching the video was like watching a page out of the Coptic Synaxarium play out in real life!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 17, 2015, 01:40:52 AM
Elsewhere I heard that a church is going to be built in their memory.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is there a source for this?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xariskai on February 17, 2015, 06:07:28 AM
Memory Eternal!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 17, 2015, 06:31:35 AM
Elsewhere I heard that a church is going to be built in their memory.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is there a source for this?
i haven't heard about that. That would be a good gesture and imo appropriate for these saints.  But I haven't heard or read anything that would confirm this.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 17, 2015, 06:53:29 AM
These are the names of the new Coptic martyrs of Libya:

1. Milad Makeen Zaky
2. Abanub Ayad Atiya
3. Maged Solaiman Shehata
4. Yusuf Shukry Yunan
5. Kirollos Shokry Fawzy
6. Bishoy Astafanus Kamel
7. Somaily Astafanus Kamel
8. Malak Ibrahim Sinweet
9. Tawadros Yusuf Tawadros
10. Girgis Milad Sinweet
11. Mina Fayez Aziz
12. Hany Abdelmesih Salib
13. Bishoy Adel Khalaf
14. Samuel Alham Wilson
15. Worker from Awr village
16. Ezat Bishri Naseef
17. Loqa Nagaty
18. Gaber Munir Adly
19. Esam Badir Samir
20. Malak Farag Abram
21. Sameh Salah Faruq

http://lacopts.org/story/a-statement-on-the-martyrdom-of-21-coptic-christians-in-libya/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on February 17, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
21 Copts were martyred in Libya today by Islamists.

Their last words were "Jesus help me!" and they were reported to have refused to leave Christ.  May their prayers be with us!

Correction from my previous post: their last words were "My Lord Jesus!"

We believe that St. Mark, the Evangelizer of Egypt, was born of what would be present day Libya in Pentapolis by Jewish parents.  When St. Mark was martyred in Egypt, he would receive a vision of Christ during his suffering and would repeat the words "My Lord Jesus!"
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 17, 2015, 09:09:13 AM
Elsewhere I heard that a church is going to be built in their memory.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is there a source for this?

It was reported in the Egyptian media that the State will donate the money to build a new church in their honor.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on February 17, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: TheTrisagion on February 17, 2015, 10:51:55 AM
These are the names of the new Coptic martyrs of Libya:

1. Milad Makeen Zaky
2. Abanub Ayad Atiya
3. Maged Solaiman Shehata
4. Yusuf Shukry Yunan
5. Kirollos Shokry Fawzy
6. Bishoy Astafanus Kamel
7. Somaily Astafanus Kamel
8. Malak Ibrahim Sinweet
9. Tawadros Yusuf Tawadros
10. Girgis Milad Sinweet
11. Mina Fayez Aziz
12. Hany Abdelmesih Salib
13. Bishoy Adel Khalaf
14. Samuel Alham Wilson
15. Worker from Awr village
16. Ezat Bishri Naseef
17. Loqa Nagaty
18. Gaber Munir Adly
19. Esam Badir Samir
20. Malak Farag Abram
21. Sameh Salah Faruq

http://lacopts.org/story/a-statement-on-the-martyrdom-of-21-coptic-christians-in-libya/
May their memories be eternal, our ever memorable brothers who are worthy of all blessedness.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 17, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 19, 2015, 02:52:49 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.

For what it's worth, I found this on the FB page of a youth group of our Church in India:

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ISIS announced the execution of 21 Copts but only 20 names were confirmed, most of them were from the province of Minya(Upper Egypt). There was an inaccuracy in the number of Egyptian Hostages; there were only 20 Egyptians(Copts). Then who was this remaining one non-Coptic victim?

Ahram-Canadian News was able to gather information about this man. He was a Chadian Citizen (Darker skin shown in picture) who accepted Christianity after seeing the immense faith of his fellow Coptic Christians to die for Christ. When Terrorist forced him to reject Jesus Christ as God, looking at his Christian friends he replied, “their God is my God“ so the terrorist beheaded him also.

Think about the faith, shining through those 20 Christians who made a non believer, a true believer in Christ, even at the point of death.

In Bible, Gospel of Luke describes about two thieves, being on either side of Jesus as they were crucified. At that very point of death by Crucifixion, one of the thief accepted Christ saying, ‘LORD, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ Here this Chadian citizen showed the same faith in Christ.

Can we put ourselves into his place? The faith he showed was not a mean faith, at such a moment, he could believe in Jesus as Lord and King.

May God help us to strength our faith so that the world may see our good works, and glorify our Father which is in heaven. (Mathew 5:16)

(News referred from Ahram-Canadian news)

Source (https://www.facebook.com/IndianOrthodoxDiaspora/photos/a.102822583156043.3205.101177033320598/645850105519952/?type=1&theater)

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Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: wgw on February 19, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Oh how beautiful.  A horrible tragedy, yet Christianity at its most noble.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: makeda on February 19, 2015, 09:01:45 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.

I know it is an innocent mistake, but I want to point out that all of them are Africans!

Holy new martyrs pray for us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 19, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.

I know it is an innocent mistake, but I want to point out that all of them are Africans!

Holy new martyrs pray for us!

Thank you for the correction. You are absolutely right. We, Copts, are North Africans. I should have been more accurate.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on February 19, 2015, 11:16:10 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.

For what it's worth, I found this on the FB page of a youth group of our Church in India:

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ISIS announced the execution of 21 Copts but only 20 names were confirmed, most of them were from the province of Minya(Upper Egypt). There was an inaccuracy in the number of Egyptian Hostages; there were only 20 Egyptians(Copts). Then who was this remaining one non-Coptic victim?

Ahram-Canadian News was able to gather information about this man. He was a Chadian Citizen (Darker skin shown in picture) who accepted Christianity after seeing the immense faith of his fellow Coptic Christians to die for Christ. When Terrorist forced him to reject Jesus Christ as God, looking at his Christian friends he replied, “their God is my God“ so the terrorist beheaded him also.

Think about the faith, shining through those 20 Christians who made a non believer, a true believer in Christ, even at the point of death.

In Bible, Gospel of Luke describes about two thieves, being on either side of Jesus as they were crucified. At that very point of death by Crucifixion, one of the thief accepted Christ saying, ‘LORD, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ Here this Chadian citizen showed the same faith in Christ.

Can we put ourselves into his place? The faith he showed was not a mean faith, at such a moment, he could believe in Jesus as Lord and King.

May God help us to strength our faith so that the world may see our good works, and glorify our Father which is in heaven. (Mathew 5:16)

(News referred from Ahram-Canadian news)

Source (https://www.facebook.com/IndianOrthodoxDiaspora/photos/a.102822583156043.3205.101177033320598/645850105519952/?type=1&theater)

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Thank you Mor. Truly appreciated.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 20, 2015, 02:19:42 AM
Thank you Mor. Truly appreciated.

We appreciate them, and we appreciate your Church who gave them to us as intercessors before God. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: qawe on February 20, 2015, 08:56:08 PM
The African martyr among the Copts is a mystery. There are rumors that he is from Chad. He is definitely martyred confessing Christ, but was he Christian before being captured, or was he converted while in captivity?

Holy African martyr among the Copts, pray for us.

For what it's worth, I found this on the FB page of a youth group of our Church in India:

Quote
ISIS announced the execution of 21 Copts but only 20 names were confirmed, most of them were from the province of Minya(Upper Egypt). There was an inaccuracy in the number of Egyptian Hostages; there were only 20 Egyptians(Copts). Then who was this remaining one non-Coptic victim?

Ahram-Canadian News was able to gather information about this man. He was a Chadian Citizen (Darker skin shown in picture) who accepted Christianity after seeing the immense faith of his fellow Coptic Christians to die for Christ. When Terrorist forced him to reject Jesus Christ as God, looking at his Christian friends he replied, “their God is my God“ so the terrorist beheaded him also.

Think about the faith, shining through those 20 Christians who made a non believer, a true believer in Christ, even at the point of death.

In Bible, Gospel of Luke describes about two thieves, being on either side of Jesus as they were crucified. At that very point of death by Crucifixion, one of the thief accepted Christ saying, ‘LORD, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ Here this Chadian citizen showed the same faith in Christ.

Can we put ourselves into his place? The faith he showed was not a mean faith, at such a moment, he could believe in Jesus as Lord and King.

May God help us to strength our faith so that the world may see our good works, and glorify our Father which is in heaven. (Mathew 5:16)

(News referred from Ahram-Canadian news)

Source (https://www.facebook.com/IndianOrthodoxDiaspora/photos/a.102822583156043.3205.101177033320598/645850105519952/?type=1&theater)

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How did we get this information if the only people who would know this are either members of ISIS or are martyred?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 21, 2015, 12:18:20 AM
No idea, I just passed it along.  I figured some of you might be familiar enough with "Ahram-Canadian News" to find out more.   
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: hecma925 on February 21, 2015, 04:20:06 AM
Lord, have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on February 21, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
How did we get this information if the only people who would know this are either members of ISIS or are martyred?

The plot thickens:

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Reports reaching the studios of Sankofa Radio, indicates that a Ghanaian is alleged to be amongst 21 Egyptian Christians beheaded by ISIL affiliates in Libya.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=346906

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Video of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians being marched along a Libyan beach before being beheaded by black-clad members of ISIS is hard for any civilized person to watch, but experts who made it through the sickening, five-minute clip told FoxNews.com Friday they came to the same conclusion: The footage was faked.

No one holds out hope the victims, mostly poor fishermen who had gone to Libya to scratch out a living, are still alive. But several anomalies in the video, which was posted online Feb. 15, indicated to trained eyes that at least some of the production was done on "green screen" with background added later, perhaps to disguise the real location of the atrocity. A day after the clip went viral, Egyptian warplanes struck hard at an eastern port city near Tripoli, where the video appeared to have been shot.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/21/isis-army-7-footers-experts-say-video-copt-beheadings-manipulated/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 22, 2015, 12:25:39 AM
From an interview with Bishop Angaelos:

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Q: Not long after the video released, you tweeted about the killings, using the hashtag #FatherForgive. Did you mean that you forgive ISIS?

A: Yes. It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don't forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/20/living/coptic-bishop-isis/

What a remarkable witness.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 22, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
This from lacopts:

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His Holiness Pope Tawadros II announced the inclusion of the 21 Coptic New Martyrs of Libya in the Synaxarium of the Coptic Orthodox Church today. Every year, they will be commemorated on 8 Amshir in the Coptic calendar, which corresponds to 15 February in the Gregorian calendar, the same day as the Feast of the Presentation of our Lord in the Temple.

Holy Martyrs pray for us!

(http://lacopts.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10359492_10204650500077029_7422104080444904887_n.jpg)


http://lacopts.org/story/the-new-martyrs-of-libya-added-to-the-coptic-synaxarium/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: JTLoganville on February 22, 2015, 12:52:05 AM
From byzcath.org forum:

Edward Yong of Singapore has written these for the New Martyrs:

Draft troparion of the Libyan Martyrs. Suggestions for improvement are very welcome.!

Tone 1 Kyivan, perhaps?

Like meek lambs ye cried out with your last breaths,/
’ O Lord Jesus’,/
and like roses blooming in the desert of Libya,/
ye shed your blood for the Master./
With godly valour, ye showed your godless persecuters/
true strength from the true faith,/
O pride of Minya and boast of the church of St Mark, / i
ntercede with Christ that our souls may be saved.

Kontakion in Tone 8
(to the special melody ‘To thee the Champion Leader’)

O ye new-martyrs, faithful sons of the nation of the Cross,
Ye denied not Christ to save your mortal lives,
with your constancy ye earned the true crowns of life.
Ye are witnesses to us who venerate your sufferings
that the Lord gives courage in the hour of trial,
By your example we sing:
O Lord Jesus, be our comfort and strength!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on February 22, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
Welcome to the forum, JTLoganville.  Also welcome to Tonedawg, who joined us earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Michael1950 on February 22, 2015, 05:41:51 AM
It is of extreme importance that we pray not only for those Coptic Christians who gave their lives for their belief in the Christ, but that we also pray for those who committed these acts. Muslims, although they follow a false prophet, are also, as children of God, worthy of our prayers that our Heavenly Father will forgive them and bring them to the Light of His only begotten Son.
Michael 1950
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on February 22, 2015, 05:37:04 PM
look at this video (in the post dated feb 20) - i just saw it (been off line most of the week).

http://tasbeha.org/community/discussion/15555/21-coptic-christians-executed-by-islamic-state#latest

just wow.
that is great faith to respond like that when both your brothers have been killed.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Michael1950 on February 24, 2015, 06:10:58 AM
Blessed be these Martyrs who shed their blood for their faith. Their blood is mingled with that of Christ, the Lamb of God who died that we may have life.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 05, 2015, 11:00:06 PM
It seems another Copt has been killed in Libya:

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/headless.corpse.of.an.egyptian.coptic.christian.found.in.libya/49377.htm

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The headless corpse of an Egyptian Coptic Christian has been found in Libya after an attack which bears the hallmarks of Islamic State.

The victim, Mansour Saad Awad, worked on a poultry farm near Mechili, in the province of Cyrenaica, near where he was found, says the Fides news service.

The news broke as Coptic Orthodox Patriarch Tawadros II met the families of the 21 Libyan Christians murdered by Islamic State terrorists in their village of Samalot, where most of them came from. The Patriarch gave death certificates to the families of the victims, certifying their martyrdom.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 27, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
Article about continued persecution of Copts in Egypt:

http://www.aina.org/news/20150325184303.htm

From the article:

Quote
In recent weeks, several Coptic Christians who lost their homes to attacks by Muslim radicals have been informed by what are known as "Customary Reconciliation Meetings" that they will not be allowed to return. Under Egyptian law, based on Bedouin tradition, these sessions with tribal leaders substitute for criminal prosecutions or civil lawsuits as a means of resolving disputes.

In the parts of the country most controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood, what these meetings usually amount to is collusion between militants and police and security forces to deny Christians justice.

In mid-March, one such assembly took up the case of a Christian family that had been assaulted by its Muslim neighbors. According to Mideast Christian News, the result was to levy a sizable fine on the Christian family, and, when they couldn't pay, 100 of their camels and five calves were slaughtered and their 1,000-meter property was seized.  All this reportedly took place with the blessing of the deputy director of Cairo security, Maj. Gen. Yehia Al-Iraqy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 30, 2015, 12:40:57 AM
Elsewhere I heard that a church is going to be built in their memory.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is there a source for this?

It was reported in the Egyptian media that the State will donate the money to build a new church in their honor.

The latest on that proposed church, and also on what is happening to the families of the New Martyrs:

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As the commemorative mass for the 21 Christians beheaded by ISIS in Libya was held on the 40th day after their deaths in the village of Al Our in the Minya region of Upper Egypt this past Friday, a mob identified by witnesses as Muslim Brotherhood protestors attacked the home of one of the martyr's families, set fire to the car of one of the mourners, and later lobbed molotov cocktails at the site of the church being constructed in their memory. Al Our village was the home of 13 of the Egyptian Coptic martyrs.

...

And yet after this weekend's attacks, the Coptic community in Al Our were forced by local authorities into an extra-judicial Islamic "reconciliation" meeting, where it was "agreed" that the church would be relocated, submitting to the violent protesters' demands, and that the seven arrested protesters would be freed, prompting criticism on Twitter.

Minority communities complain that the "reconciliation" meetings in Egypt almost always result in minorities having to make concessions while Muslim offenders are freed without having to face any judicial proceedings, as appears true in the present case.

...

Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Maria on March 30, 2015, 01:11:19 AM
Elsewhere I heard that a church is going to be built in their memory.  Has anyone else heard this?  Is there a source for this?

It was reported in the Egyptian media that the State will donate the money to build a new church in their honor.

The latest on that proposed church, and also on what is happening to the families of the New Martyrs:

Quote
As the commemorative mass for the 21 Christians beheaded by ISIS in Libya was held on the 40th day after their deaths in the village of Al Our in the Minya region of Upper Egypt this past Friday, a mob identified by witnesses as Muslim Brotherhood protestors attacked the home of one of the martyr's families, set fire to the car of one of the mourners, and later lobbed molotov cocktails at the site of the church being constructed in their memory. Al Our village was the home of 13 of the Egyptian Coptic martyrs.

...

And yet after this weekend's attacks, the Coptic community in Al Our were forced by local authorities into an extra-judicial Islamic "reconciliation" meeting, where it was "agreed" that the church would be relocated, submitting to the violent protesters' demands, and that the seven arrested protesters would be freed, prompting criticism on Twitter.

Minority communities complain that the "reconciliation" meetings in Egypt almost always result in minorities having to make concessions while Muslim offenders are freed without having to face any judicial proceedings, as appears true in the present case.

...

Lord have mercy.

Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on March 30, 2015, 01:25:16 AM
Article about continued persecution of Copts in Egypt:

http://www.aina.org/news/20150325184303.htm

From the article:

Quote
In recent weeks, several Coptic Christians who lost their homes to attacks by Muslim radicals have been informed by what are known as "Customary Reconciliation Meetings" that they will not be allowed to return. Under Egyptian law, based on Bedouin tradition, these sessions with tribal leaders substitute for criminal prosecutions or civil lawsuits as a means of resolving disputes.

In the parts of the country most controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood, what these meetings usually amount to is collusion between militants and police and security forces to deny Christians justice.

In mid-March, one such assembly took up the case of a Christian family that had been assaulted by its Muslim neighbors. According to Mideast Christian News, the result was to levy a sizable fine on the Christian family, and, when they couldn't pay, 100 of their camels and five calves were slaughtered and their 1,000-meter property was seized.  All this reportedly took place with the blessing of the deputy director of Cairo security, Maj. Gen. Yehia Al-Iraqy.

One thought this garbage will cease to exist and that the regime will finally have authority and respect. They are resorting to Mubarak era reconciliation meetings with salafi terrorists. It did not work in the days of Mubarak, why would it work now? 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 19, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
It seems ISIS has now martyred a group of Ethiopians the same as they did the New Coptic Martyrs of Libya.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/04/19/isil-ethiopian-christians/26026769/

Lord have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: mabsoota on April 20, 2015, 03:05:31 PM
may God have mercy, and may the new martyrs pray for us in the paradise of joy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Stavro on April 20, 2015, 06:28:39 PM
The new lions of Ethiopia.... Pray for us
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Maria on April 20, 2015, 06:31:04 PM
O Lord Jesus Christ, make us strong in the faith, so that we may persevere until the end.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on April 20, 2015, 09:29:59 PM
Quote
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

Rev.6:9


May they pray for us all.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on April 20, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
The 29 minute video went into this diatribe about the various Christian groups, and how they treat Christians according to Islamic law, whether by jizya under dimma status, by conversion for full rights, or death.  They showed examples of the jizya paying Christians in Iraq (probably staged) on how "peaceful" they live in ISIS when paying jizya.  They then showed examples of those who apostatized into Islam, and they were Africans, who vowed the shahada.  Finally, they showed the brutal killing of the 30 Ethiopians who refused to pay jizya (or probably did not have the money to pay it) or convert. 

They were given a chance to convert and they did not take that chance.  They chose the eternal glory with Christ over the falsehood of renouncing Christ and the Church.  May their prayers and the prayers of the 21 Coptic martyrs be with us all! 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on April 20, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
Memory eternal.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on April 21, 2015, 09:21:17 AM
The 29 minute video went into this diatribe about the various Christian groups, and how they treat Christians according to Islamic law, whether by jizya under dimma status, by conversion for full rights, or death.  They showed examples of the jizya paying Christians in Iraq (probably staged) on how "peaceful" they live in ISIS when paying jizya.  They then showed examples of those who apostatized into Islam, and they were Africans, who vowed the shahada.  Finally, they showed the brutal killing of the 30 Ethiopians who refused to pay jizya (or probably did not have the money to pay it) or convert. 

They were given a chance to convert and they did not take that chance.  They chose the eternal glory with Christ over the falsehood of renouncing Christ and the Church.  May their prayers and the prayers of the 21 Coptic martyrs be with us all!

Amen and amen.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 06, 2015, 12:34:19 AM
Further incidents of persecution:

http://www.aina.org/news/20150505151308.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 08, 2015, 01:02:16 AM
Quote
In Egypt, a surge of persecution against Coptic Christians, one of the oldest Christian communities in the region, has been occuring despite Egypt's president's promises of helping Christians in the region.

http://www.aina.org/news/20150507143335.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 09, 2015, 08:51:07 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/09/egyptian-youth-face-trial-for-insulting-islam-by-making-fun-isis/

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Four Egyptian kids who dared make fun of ISIS in a harmless video are headed for trial along with their teacher on charges of "insulting Islam," after their Muslim neighbors got hold of the footage and went to police.

Aged between 15 and 16, the youths could face up to five years in a youth detention center – while the teacher would serve any sentence he receives in prison – if the court finds them guilty of violating Egypt’s blasphemy law, Egypt-focused activists say.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on May 10, 2015, 08:34:12 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Alxandra on May 10, 2015, 08:51:24 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 15, 2015, 01:06:36 AM
More about the church dedicated to the 21 New Martyrs:

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"They [the Muslim side] stipulated that the building be of one floor, and without a dome or a cross, in addition to not sounding the church bell," Naguib Gabriel, chairman of the Egyptian Union for Human Rights, told Al-Monitor, lamenting the furor that surrounded building the church. Gabriel added that although the foundation stone was laid, "I do not believe the building will be completed under such a hard-line religious culture."

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/05/egypt-christians-muslims-churches-law-reconciliation-session.html#ixzz3aBGkZESY
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on May 19, 2015, 10:36:08 PM
http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2015/05/egypt-after-ransom-paid-coptic-christian-still-killed/

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Egypt: After Ransom Paid – Coptic Christian Still Killed

A 55-year-old Coptic Christian man was kidnapped and held for ransom.  Although his family eventually paid, and the Muslim abductors took the money, they still killed the hapless Copt.

...

Killing Christian hostages even after loved ones pay their ransom is not uncommon in Egypt.  Such was the case, for instance, of 6-year-old Cyril Joseph: on May 2013, it was reported that his “family is in tatters after paying 30,000 pounds to the abductor, who still killed the innocent child and threw his body in his sewer system, where the body, swollen and moldy, was exhumed.”

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on May 19, 2015, 11:08:41 PM
Memory eternal.  :'(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 01, 2015, 07:20:35 PM
Quote
A village in Beni Suef has witnessed religious conflict over the past week, following the alleged insulting of Islam by a Coptic man on Facebook, allegations denied by the accused.

Ayman Youssef Tawfiq, from the village of Kafr Darwish in Al-Fashn, around 100km south of Cairo, was accused of posting cartoons that are offensive to the Prophet Mohamed online. In what followed, Coptic homes in the village were allegedly attacked with rocks and Molotov cocktails, leading to numerous fires in houses and the destruction of a car.

After days of conflict, meetings were held in the village, but the outcome was the forcible displacement of Youssef and four of his relatives' families. Despite the meeting, a further 10 homes were reported by Coptic sources as having been burned in ongoing attacks.

...

Read the rest here:

http://www.aina.org/news/20150531134434.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 10, 2015, 06:32:40 PM
Quote
After the foiled suicide attack on the ancient temples of Karnak in Luxor, Egypt—a tourist designation—the Islamic State promised a “fiery summer” to the Christian Copts and Sisi government. 

http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/3791-islamic-state-in-egypt-a-fiery-summer-awaits-worshippers-of-the-cross
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 10, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
Quote
A bomb was placed by a Coptic Christian church in Egypt, but security was able to dismantle it before it exploded earlier today.
 

http://www.copticsolidarity.org/events
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 10, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
http://www.copticsolidarity.org/events

Quote
The principal of a preschool and primary school in Sohag, Egypt, has been openly refusing the registration of Christian students, simply on the basis of their religion.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Maria on July 10, 2015, 07:22:10 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: biro on July 10, 2015, 07:33:18 PM
Lord have mercy.

St. Mark, pray for us.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ialmisry on July 10, 2015, 08:27:07 PM
Through the prayers of the Evangelist Mark and Popes Peter, Athanasius and Cyril, Lord have mercy upon the land of His refuge!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 10, 2015, 09:56:23 PM
Lord have mercy! Is al-sisi in charge or not I thought he was going to stop Coptic persecution!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 10, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2015/05/egypt-after-ransom-paid-coptic-christian-still-killed/

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Egypt: After Ransom Paid – Coptic Christian Still Killed

A 55-year-old Coptic Christian man was kidnapped and held for ransom.  Although his family eventually paid, and the Muslim abductors took the money, they still killed the hapless Copt.

...

Killing Christian hostages even after loved ones pay their ransom is not uncommon in Egypt.  Such was the case, for instance, of 6-year-old Cyril Joseph: on May 2013, it was reported that his “family is in tatters after paying 30,000 pounds to the abductor, who still killed the innocent child and threw his body in his sewer system, where the body, swollen and moldy, was exhumed.”

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 10, 2015, 10:21:13 PM
Lord hvlave mercy im still getting a glitch anyways what I wasgoing to say what happened to Egypt muslim population in the past the Ikwan and the Salafis were minorties and up until 1970's the Sinai population was Sufis from what I herd. Today it seem all salafi and Ikwan regardless ST. Mary the Theotokos, ST. MARK and ST. Cyrill intercede and pray on thexCopts behalf.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 27, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
Quote
Syndicated News
Christians Under Pressure: From Bigotry At School to Imprisonment and Murder
By Jared Malsin, Saba Imtiaz, Tom Phillips, Peter Beaumont
The Guardian
Posted 2015-07-27 18:55 GMT

As a boy growing up in a country where football is a national passion, Mina Fayek joined a youth programme at a local sports club in the wealthy Cairo neighbourhood of Heliopolis. He started training, but one day he overheard his coach make an offhand remark: no Christians would join the first team, or make it to the championships.

"My parents and I knew this is not going anywhere, and I had to choose another game," Fayek, 26, a software engineer and blogger, recalled. He tried handball and basketball, two sports seen as more acceptable for Egyptian Christians to play.

Fayek, an affable young man, believes his social status shielded him from the worst forms of persecution inflicted on poorer Egyptian Christians. Instead, he was subject to a more subtle form of discrimination: the sense that the highest echelons of power and status in his country were off limits because of his religion.

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http://www.aina.org/news/20150727145519.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 27, 2015, 06:32:32 PM
so Salpy it looks like it more of the attitude of suppression instead of outright persecution right now in Egypt. Do you think al-sisi doing enough? or is his hands tied? any websites you recommend concerning the plight of Egypt's Copts?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 27, 2015, 07:08:29 PM
There's still plenty of persecution:

A mob surrounding a Coptic home because of an allegation that people were worshiping there:

http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/3797-incensed-muslims-surround-christian-home-accused-of-being-turned-into-church


I don't know whether al Sisi is doing enough.  That would be for our Coptic brothers to comment on.

Good websites to keep track of persecution of Christians would be aina.org and copticsolidarity.org.

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 27, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
Another good website for Orthodox News generally is http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on August 31, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
Mariam Malak, a Coptic girl, gets a 0% on her final exams:

http://www.copts-united.com/English/Details.php?I=1448&A=19991
http://www.copts-united.com/English/Details.php?I=1453&A=20082
http://www.copts-united.com/English/Details.php?I=1456&A=20141

Despite these reports, the Education minister reneged on his words, adamant to ruin the poor girl's life on a clerical error.  Just now I heard someone even say that the exam has written on it "In the name of God the beneficent and merciful" proving foul play against the girl.  Even a person who hasn't studied does not get a zero.  HG Bishop Suriel of Melbourne in protest wrote on his Facebook page that he would take care of Mariam's education in Australia.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on September 01, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
Al Ahram reports that an independent investigation will be opened:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/139466/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-to-form-independent-committee-to-investigate.aspx

Egyptian Actor Mohamed Sobhy has supported Mariam Malak and finds it disheartening that she is accused of lying.  He has vowed to pay for her education, even if outside Egypt:

https://stepfeed.com/more-categories/big-news/egyptian-actor-pledges-pay-education-zero-secondary-student/#.VeZSQdNViko

MCNDirect.com also has a lot of articles on this issue.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on September 09, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
BBC has an blog article on the situation:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34151528
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on September 25, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
More violence:

http://www.aina.org/news/20150924144842.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on November 02, 2015, 03:01:42 AM
Arabic teacher whips 10 year old Coptic boy 40 times for not being quiet during Arabic class!

http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/4175-arabic-teacher-savagely-whips-coptic-boy-40-times
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on November 02, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
Arabic teacher whips 10 year old Coptic boy 40 times for not being quiet during Arabic class!

http://www.copticsolidarity.org/cs-releases/4175-arabic-teacher-savagely-whips-coptic-boy-40-times
Perhaps it's sectarian, perhaps not. Corporal punishment is an integral part of the Egyptian school system.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on November 03, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
Maybe once the takifiri insuregency in the Sinai dies down that the Copts demand a limited autonomy within the Sinai but still part of Egypt. Maybe then the persecutions will stop for the Copts. Reading about all your persecution upsets me a lot however we have to love our enemies which is tough. Copts are good role models on loving the enemy from my limited expirence with them.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Severian on November 03, 2015, 05:20:42 PM
Maybe once the takifiri insuregency in the Sinai dies down that the Copts demand a limited autonomy within the Sinai but still part of Egypt. Maybe then the persecutions will stop for the Copts. Reading about all your persecution upsets me a lot however we have to love our enemies which is tough. Copts are good role models on loving the enemy from my limited expirence with them.
Forgive me, but that idea is unfeasible. The overwhelming majority of Copts (99+%) wouldn't even want something like that.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on November 04, 2015, 06:50:22 AM
Maybe once the takifiri insuregency in the Sinai dies down that the Copts demand a limited autonomy within the Sinai but still part of Egypt. Maybe then the persecutions will stop for the Copts. Reading about all your persecution upsets me a lot however we have to love our enemies which is tough. Copts are good role models on loving the enemy from my limited expirence with them.
Forgive me, but that idea is unfeasible. The overwhelming majority of Copts (99+%) wouldn't even want something like that.

Okay it just seems living next to muslims for the past 1,000+ years isn't working.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Iconodule on November 04, 2015, 05:42:19 PM
It may not be working but neither will asking Copts to uproot themselves from homes, jobs, communities, etc. en masse to move into a desert ghetto.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on November 05, 2015, 10:06:04 AM
It may not be working but neither will asking Copts to uproot themselves from homes, jobs, communities, etc. en masse to move into a desert ghetto.

that a excellent point Iconodule. I guess praying for them and even those that persecute them is the only solution.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 25, 2015, 02:02:53 AM
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Marwa Ahmed, 26, has reportedly been killed by her family after converting to Christianity and marrying a man from Fayoum, Egypt.

According to al-Tahrir, Marwa had moved to Alexandria from the town of Tamiyyah with her Coptic Christian partner three years ago. Since then, she had given birth to a boy and girl.

Eshhad, an online platform that aggregates and collates alleged religious persecution and sectarian attacks in Egypt, reports that Marwa was killed nearly two weeks ago by her uncle and cousins when they learned of her short visit back to Tamiyyah.

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http://www.aina.org/news/20151123021214.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on November 25, 2015, 02:09:49 AM
I looked up the website mentioned above:

http://eshhad.timep.org/

Does anyone know anything about them?  They have an interesting (and distressing) map on their website.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on May 26, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
A 70-year-old Christian woman has been stripped naked, beaten and paraded through the streets by a mob of around 300 Muslim men in a village in southern Egypt.

The mob also burned down seven homes belonging to Christian families, according to an unusually outspoken statement issued by the local Orthodox Coptic church, after rumours circulated in the village that a Christian man was having a relationship with a Muslim woman.


More here. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/elderly-christian-woman-stripped-naked-and-paraded-through-streets-by-mob-a7049926.html)

Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Alkis on May 26, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
I am really upset. Our brothers in Middle East live with the threat and fear of Islam... Lord have mercy on them firstly and then on us!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on May 26, 2016, 01:40:40 PM
It's becoming really quite numbing for me, given all the occurrences, regardless of who is president of Egypt.  I don't know what else to say, but only to look up.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on May 27, 2016, 03:33:15 AM
When an episode like this happens, my next question is always "when's the next one going to happen?" Thankfully, this episode has many Muslims just as upset as Copts in Egypt. That's at least the vibe I been getting from the Egyptian media.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on May 27, 2016, 11:54:25 AM
When an episode like this happens, my next question is always "when's the next one going to happen?" Thankfully, this episode has many Muslims just as upset as Copts in Egypt. That's at least the vibe I been getting from the Egyptian media.

I've gotten the same vibe as well.  It's one of those "finally" moments
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: RaphaCam on May 27, 2016, 03:37:02 PM
If we in the West get a heavy heart for hearing these news, I can't imagine what it's like for you who have such strong bonds with that region. Lord, have mercy!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on May 29, 2016, 09:41:41 AM
Lord have mercy, am I wrong to be cynical that anything will be done to protect the Copts?  I think one of the problems is that this tends to happen after these folks, who are attacking the Copts get riled up after Friday prayers at the mosques.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Musashi on May 29, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
Lord have mercy
What are those people thinking?  :'(
Can't Egypt goverment protect all people fairly?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on May 29, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
Lord have mercy, am I wrong to be cynical that anything will be done to protect the Copts?  I think one of the problems is that this tends to happen after these folks, who are attacking the Copts get riled up after Friday prayers at the mosques.

That's exactly what happens, people get riled up after Friday services!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on May 31, 2016, 05:30:37 PM

This news made me sad and very angry, I was thinking she could be my mother  :( >:(
May the evils burn in hell!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 14, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
Christian girls kidnapped, forced to marry and convert to Islam:

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/egypt.christian.girls.kidnapped.forced.to.marry.and.convert.to.islam/88241.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on June 14, 2016, 03:23:38 PM
Christian girls kidnapped, forced to marry and convert to Islam:

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/egypt.christian.girls.kidnapped.forced.to.marry.and.convert.to.islam/88241.htm

Sadly there been stories like this for a while, then the Muslims deny it, and say these girls converted to Islam, and "the Copts are the extremist", real nice bunch of these folks these kidnappers are  ::)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on June 22, 2016, 11:47:16 PM
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Egyptian mob reportedly burns 80 Christian homes on rumor of new church

An angry crowd of Muslims reportedly looted and burned the homes of 80 Christian families in an Egyptian village Friday after rumors circulated that they wanted to build a church.

Christian media reported the violence taking place in the village of Qarayat al Bayda, near Alexandria, quoting witnesses who claimed police did little to protect them. The alleged violence began after noon prayers, when a throng of Muslims gathered in the front of a home being built, Mousa Zarif told International Christian Concern.

...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/22/egyptian-mob-reportedly-burns-80-christian-homes-on-rumor-new-church.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on June 23, 2016, 02:12:56 AM
Maybe some Coptic Orthodox here can give us info how the Egyptian State authorities are dealing with Coptic Christians, it seems no matter who in charge, there always the case of police standing by doing nothing.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on June 24, 2016, 05:07:25 PM
Maybe some Coptic Orthodox here can give us info how the Egyptian State authorities are dealing with Coptic Christians, it seems no matter who in charge, there always the case of police standing by doing nothing.

Most of them don't do anything. Either they ignore their warnings of impending attacks or ignore their pleas as attacks are taking place. It's pathetic to say the least!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Olivia on June 24, 2016, 07:38:49 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on June 30, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Coptic priest Fr. Raphael Mussa was gunned down in Sinai, Egypt today. Lord have mercy.
http://egyptianstreets.com/2016/06/30/coptic-christian-priest-killed-in-egypts-north-sinai-by-gunmen/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Seekingtrue on June 30, 2016, 11:48:00 AM
Lord have mercy
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on June 30, 2016, 01:15:48 PM
Continued prayers to our Coptic brothers, and sisters. It never seems to end for you folks.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on July 05, 2016, 04:01:29 PM
A Coptic Nun, Mother Athnasia, from Saint George covenant in old Cairo was shot on her way to Saint George covenant in khataba. The murder is being called "accidental" as she was struck by a "stray bullet" in between two, or possibly more, individuals who were shooting at each other.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 05, 2016, 04:08:35 PM
A Coptic Nun, Mother Athnasia, from Saint George covenant in old Cairo was shot on her way to Saint George covenant in khataba. The murder is being called "accidental" as she was struck by a "stray bullet" in between two, or possibly more, individuals who were shooting at each other.

Lord have mercy, such a tragedy where do you find all this info about the persecution of the Coptic Christians?  I need to talk to my priest, and see that if I can have his premission to cover persecution of the Copts, despite me being in the Greek Church, maybe even write about in the newsletter of our Church about persecution of Middle East Christians, and maybe raise money to help these folks.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Balthasar on July 05, 2016, 07:50:25 PM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 05, 2016, 08:01:25 PM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?

It amazing, it seems Western countries are opposed to Eastern Christian asylum seekers, while opening the flood gate for Muslims , who will change and transform Europe, and the United States forever.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Tonedawg on July 06, 2016, 02:55:29 AM
A Coptic Nun, Mother Athnasia, from Saint George covenant in old Cairo was shot on her way to Saint George covenant in khataba. The murder is being called "accidental" as she was struck by a "stray bullet" in between two, or possibly more, individuals who were shooting at each other.

Lord have mercy, such a tragedy where do you find all this info about the persecution of the Coptic Christians?  I need to talk to my priest, and see that if I can have his premission to cover persecution of the Copts, despite me being in the Greek Church, maybe even write about in the newsletter of our Church about persecution of Middle East Christians, and maybe raise money to help these folks.

Facebook and Twitter! I know people that know people as well! This death seems accidental but it's really hard to believe it. A young Coptic pharmacist, 33, was found dead without his head, in Egypt as well. I personally thought things were getting better with Sisi in charge, but it seems not even he can change the amount of prejudice and hatred against Copts in that country. Our hope is in Christ alone.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: juliogb on July 06, 2016, 07:48:07 AM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?

The same is happening with ukrainian orthodox and greek ukrainian catholics displaced families fleeing the civil war in Ukraine. Apparently, european authorities are comited to the multiculturalism and the salafist agenda, they are enemies of the western civilization and enemies of christianity.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on July 08, 2016, 10:28:54 PM
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Syndicated News
Muslims Burn Down Christian Homes in Egypt As Warning Not to Build New Church
By Alix Culbertson
http://www.express.co.uk
Posted 2016-07-08 17:28 GMT

The horror attack on at least four Coptic Christian homes in the Kom el Loofy village in Samalout, Upper Egypt, happened despite the landowner, Coptic man Ashraf Khalaaf, signing papers at a police station promising he would not use his property as a place of worship.

...

http://www.aina.org/news/20160708132836.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 08, 2016, 11:38:26 PM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?

The same is happening with ukrainian orthodox and greek ukrainian catholics displaced families fleeing the civil war in Ukraine. Apparently, european authorities are comited to the multiculturalism and the salafist agenda, they are enemies of the western civilization and enemies of christianity.

It seems the western elites have abandoned Christianity in the favor of multiculturalism, while literally having there heads in the sand concerning Fundamentalist Islam.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: juliogb on July 21, 2016, 07:16:31 AM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?

The same is happening with ukrainian orthodox and greek ukrainian catholics displaced families fleeing the civil war in Ukraine. Apparently, european authorities are comited to the multiculturalism and the salafist agenda, they are enemies of the western civilization and enemies of christianity.

It seems the western elites have abandoned Christianity in the favor of multiculturalism, while literally having there heads in the sand concerning Fundamentalist Islam.


It is quite bizarre to see 'liberal' people completely blind about islamic fundamentalism, the only one in this area I see concerned with this issue is Bill Maher (I am not a fan, but in my limited view of US personalities is the only one that I know), the rest of the 'liberal' establishment just pretend that jihadism doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: seekeroftruth777 on July 22, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Very sad!

Can anyone explain to me why Coptic Christian applications for asylum are turned down in countries like Germany? A friend of mine just told me over the phone all the Copts he knows are told to leave Germany. This is unbelievable, isn't it!?

The same is happening with ukrainian orthodox and greek ukrainian catholics displaced families fleeing the civil war in Ukraine. Apparently, european authorities are comited to the multiculturalism and the salafist agenda, they are enemies of the western civilization and enemies of christianity.

It seems the western elites have abandoned Christianity in the favor of multiculturalism, while literally having there heads in the sand concerning Fundamentalist Islam.


It is quite bizarre to see 'liberal' people completely blind about islamic fundamentalism, the only one in this area I see concerned with this issue is Bill Maher (I am not a fan, but in my limited view of US personalities is the only one that I know), the rest of the 'liberal' establishment just pretend that jihadism doesn't exist.

Yeah Bill Mayer is brave on this issue, not a fan of a lot of what he says, but on this issue he sees the threat, and I have to give him kudos for shutting down this one person trying to compare Christianity to Islam, that was decent of him, considering he no fan of Christianity but he understands he can co-exsit in peace with Christians.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on July 26, 2016, 09:42:35 AM
Egypt's Coptic pope warns of 'danger' following recent attacks against Christians

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/234958/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Coptic-pope-warns-of-danger-following-recen.aspx (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/234958/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Coptic-pope-warns-of-danger-following-recen.aspx)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on September 10, 2016, 08:49:30 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/09/egyptian-youth-face-trial-for-insulting-islam-by-making-fun-isis/

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Four Egyptian kids who dared make fun of ISIS in a harmless video are headed for trial along with their teacher on charges of "insulting Islam," after their Muslim neighbors got hold of the footage and went to police.

Aged between 15 and 16, the youths could face up to five years in a youth detention center – while the teacher would serve any sentence he receives in prison – if the court finds them guilty of violating Egypt’s blasphemy law, Egypt-focused activists say.

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ISTANBUL, Turkey (Morning Star News) – Sentenced to prison in Egypt for allegedly insulting Islam in a video, four Coptic teenagers who had taken refuge in Turkey for months on Thursday (Sept. 1) flew to Switzerland to seek asylum.

In exclusive interviews with Morning Star News, the boys said they made their video before the release of the Islamic State (IS) mass execution video they were said to be mocking, and that at the time they had never even heard of the group.

Sentenced to five years in prison, the boys fled Egypt in April and, with the backing of Christian and human rights organizations, lived in secret for five months in a safe house in Istanbul. Two weeks ago, each was granted a humanitarian visa “under special circumstances” to Switzerland, where they will seek asylum.

http://morningstarnews.org/2016/09/coptic-teenagers-sentenced-to-prison-in-egypt-for-defaming-islam-in-video-flee-to-switzerland/

These kids deserve better.  I for one am very happy they made it out to freedom from the stupid tyranny of the bigots of my homeland.

(http://morningstarnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/From-left-Moller-Yasa-Klenton-Faragalla-Bassem-Younan-and-Albir-Shehata-at-Istanbul-Ataturk-Airport-before-departure-on-Thursday-Sept.-1.Morning-Star-News.jpg)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: wgw on September 11, 2016, 06:09:44 PM
Praise be to God!
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Diego on September 11, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
I shall be perfectly blunt & say the following, & mean it when I do: I think ALL Christian Churches, Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, & Trinitarian Protestant should join together & declare a final Crusade against the Mohammedan curse in our world. They will NEVER give up until they have taken over the world. We should think likewise & force them to submit EVERYWHERE. Force them into unconditional surrender, & dictate terms, 1 of which will be NO CONVERSIONS! They can grow only by birth rate. I know I sound harsh, but I'm tired of them being such a menace to the planet.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on September 11, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
I know I sound harsh, but I'm tired of them being such a menace to the planet.

This is when you no longer follow the gospel of Christ, but the way of the world.  2000 years the Coptic Church suffered martyrdom, and the message that seems to come back is the Church never tires from suffering, but rejoices in them.

I may be human enough to air my frustration, but I try my best NEVER to abandon the gospel of Christ in your statements.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Diego on September 11, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
I know I sound harsh, but I'm tired of them being such a menace to the planet.

This is when you no longer follow the gospel of Christ, but the way of the world.  2000 years the Coptic Church suffered martyrdom, and the message that seems to come back is the Church never tires from suffering, but rejoices in them.

I may be human enough to air my frustration, but I try my best NEVER to abandon the gospel of Christ in your statements.

Sir, I give you more credit than I give myself. You are a kinder, and perhaps better man, than I.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 09, 2017, 01:25:33 AM
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The spate of deadly attacks by the Islamic State in Egypt has led 258 Coptic Christian families to flee al-Arish and seek refuge in 13 governorates, according to the Social Solidarity Directorate in North Sinai.

...

The exodus of Coptic Christian families from al-Arish was prompted last month by an ISIS video vowing to increase the intensity of attacks against the religious minority and threatening to kill them if they remained in the city. The video also shows a masked militant identified as Abu Abdallah al-Masri, who called on jailed Islamists not to give up hope as they will soon gain freedom when the terror group "liberates" Cairo.

After the video was posted, militants killed seven Copts in the area within just three weeks. Two of the victims of the ISIS attacks in al-Arish were burned to death. The string of killings sparked fear among the Copts in the city and pushed them to pack up their things and head to other governorates.

...


http://aina.org/news/20170308034228.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 09, 2017, 01:32:06 AM
From December:

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(Reuters) -- A bombing at Cairo's largest Coptic cathedral killed at least 25 people and wounded 49, many of them women and children attending Sunday mass, in the deadliest attack on Egypt's Christian minority in years.

...


http://www.aina.org/news/20161211134357.htm
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on March 09, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Lord, have mercy!  This is terrible news.

That said, Salpy's back!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adg6iEz3-Ow)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Vanhyo on March 10, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
I shall be perfectly blunt & say the following, & mean it when I do: I think ALL Christian Churches, Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, & Trinitarian Protestant should join together & declare a final Crusade against the Mohammedan curse in our world. They will NEVER give up until they have taken over the world. We should think likewise & force them to submit EVERYWHERE. Force them into unconditional surrender, & dictate terms, 1 of which will be NO CONVERSIONS! They can grow only by birth rate. I know I sound harsh, but I'm tired of them being such a menace to the planet.

Even if all muslims are to magically disappear together with every single quran and hadith, the dark spirits will just find other people willing to fulfill their will.

For example the soviets were not muslims yet oppressed the Church in a similar manner...


Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 13, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
Lord, have mercy!  This is terrible news.

That said, Salpy's back!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adg6iEz3-Ow)  ;D ;D ;D

I never left. :-)  It's just that now that I'm no longer a mod, I am no longer obligated to log in every day.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Salpy on March 13, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
Can we all try to keep this thread up?  The persecution of Coptic Christians has been intensifying, and I feel this thread is one way to keep the public informed of what is happening.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: xOrthodox4Christx on March 14, 2017, 06:46:09 AM
Can we all try to keep this thread up?  The persecution of Coptic Christians has been intensifying, and I feel this thread is one way to keep the public informed of what is happening.

Jihad Watch, Raymond Ibrahim and others write on this quite often also. Mainly on the anti-jihad, anti-Sharia etc. right there's a lot of interest in these issues.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on March 17, 2017, 09:51:16 PM
Lord, have mercy!  This is terrible news.

That said, Salpy's back!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adg6iEz3-Ow)  ;D ;D ;D

I never left. :-)  It's just that now that I'm no longer a mod, I am no longer obligated to log in every day.

Well, I'm glad to see you here again, one way or the other.  :)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on October 07, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
http://www.lastampa.it/2017/10/07/vaticaninsider/eng/world-news/the-bodies-of-the-coptic-martyrs-beheaded-by-isis-found-in-libya-xvEI1Q1Nr4Lkog0YdJ9mRO/pagina.html
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on October 12, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
Coptic priest killed in stabbing incident in Cairo outskirts

http://www.egyptindependent.com/breaking-coptic-priest-killed-stabbing-incident-cairo-outskirts/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on October 12, 2017, 12:07:39 PM
Lord, have mercy.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Dominika on October 12, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
Coptic priest killed in stabbing incident in Cairo outskirts

http://www.egyptindependent.com/breaking-coptic-priest-killed-stabbing-incident-cairo-outskirts/

That's terrible :( Let the Lord accept His martyrdom.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on October 12, 2017, 03:33:59 PM
Coptic priest killed in stabbing incident in Cairo outskirts

http://www.egyptindependent.com/breaking-coptic-priest-killed-stabbing-incident-cairo-outskirts/

That's terrible :( Let the Lord accept His martyrdom.

There's some CCTV (?) footage of the actual killing that popped up in my FB feed...it's nuts. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on October 12, 2017, 03:45:12 PM
Coptic priest killed in stabbing incident in Cairo outskirts

http://www.egyptindependent.com/breaking-coptic-priest-killed-stabbing-incident-cairo-outskirts/

That's terrible :( Let the Lord accept His martyrdom.

There's some CCTV (?) footage of the actual killing that popped up in my FB feed...it's nuts.

Wow.  God have mercy.  People keep calling it a stabbing, but others are saying he was bashed in the head with a cleaver of some sort.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Mor Ephrem on October 12, 2017, 04:04:20 PM
Coptic priest killed in stabbing incident in Cairo outskirts

http://www.egyptindependent.com/breaking-coptic-priest-killed-stabbing-incident-cairo-outskirts/

That's terrible :( Let the Lord accept His martyrdom.

There's some CCTV (?) footage of the actual killing that popped up in my FB feed...it's nuts.

Wow.  God have mercy.  People keep calling it a stabbing, but others are saying he was bashed in the head with a cleaver of some sort.

The video I saw had him stabbed in the back with something like a machete while running away...it looked like the blade went in fully and came out just as quickly as it went in. 
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 12, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
I just saw the same video on youtube, it looked like he was stabbed as he was entering into a warehouse, but afterwards, where the camera doesn’t show, the killer may have also cleaved his head to finish him off before running off, according to a photo the video showed of the deceased priest with a head injury.  An eyewitness saw from far away that the priest sustained one stab wound and was then trying to run away from the killer.  The video I saw showed the second and fatal stab wound, but it did not show anything after that due to the rest of the scene happening beyond the camera’s view.

I found the video by search terms in Arabic.  It is graphic.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ZackShenouda439 on October 12, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
 The slaying of our priest perpetrated by the hands of the one who embraces the faith of the beast. The masjid is the refuge of the fiends & miscreants devoted to the blasphemous mohammed. The mohammedan is nothing more but a defender & champion of savagery.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Antonious Nikolas on October 12, 2017, 07:52:30 PM
Lord, have mercy.  This is terrible.  :'(
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: minasoliman on October 14, 2017, 08:19:02 PM
I just saw the same video on youtube, it looked like he was stabbed as he was entering into a warehouse, but afterwards, where the camera doesn’t show, the killer may have also cleaved his head to finish him off before running off, according to a photo the video showed of the deceased priest with a head injury.  An eyewitness saw from far away that the priest sustained one stab wound and was then trying to run away from the killer.  The video I saw showed the second and fatal stab wound, but it did not show anything after that due to the rest of the scene happening beyond the camera’s view.

I found the video by search terms in Arabic.  It is graphic.

To add to this, another security video revealed from the inside of the warehouse, but blocked by a vehicle, the killer indeed kept swinging at the priest, then ripped something off the priest and threw it (determined later to be his pectoral cross) before walking away.  A few bystanders were in the warehouse, doing nothing and letting the Islamist loose.
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: CoptoGeek on November 03, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
Series of attacks in Egypt targeting Coptic Christians forces churches to close

http://www.copticworld.org/articles/7294/
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: ZackShenouda439 on November 28, 2017, 04:22:24 AM


Allegedly an influnetial Pakistani writing the following on Copts to the International Herald Tribune (NYtimes)

„The Qibtis of Egypt were Monophysites who believed in the ‘one nature’ of Christ. In October 451 AD, Pope Leo and Byzantine Emperor Marcian, convened the Council of Chalcedon on the eastern bank of the Bosphorus, in present-day Istanbul, to settle a dispute over the meaning of Christ between the eastern and western church. To the western church (based in Rome and Constantinople), the Chalcedonian definition of faith held that Christ existed ‘in two natures’— that he was both divine and human.

The Qibtis belonged to the Eastern Church and did not agree. As a result, they were ousted from Christianity as ‘Monophysites’ (from the Greek words for ‘single’ and ‘nature’). Their belief in Christ was closer to the Judaic and Islamic tradition. That could be one reason why they accepted Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the true Prophet of God.“

Since when is Muhammad acceptd by Copts as a prophet?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/316014/copts-and-the-arab-spring/

 not sure why some muslims think this. I mean, sometimes I've seen monophysite to be used as a synonym for miaphysite, so if they mean monophysite as in miaphysite orthodox? than this conflicts with islamic beliefs just as much as dyophysite orthodox do. if they mean monophysite as in the accusation that the OO believe that Christ has only a single divine nature? Then this actually conflicts with islamic beliefs more than miaphysite orthodox/dyophysite orthodox. I mean, the islamic understanding of Jesus is that he's only human & 0% divinity. So if they mean monophysite as in the position that Jesus is only divinity & 0% human, than this should conflict with islamic beliefs more than a position that affirms Christs full humanity
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Dominika on December 29, 2017, 11:50:13 AM
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Helwan church attack results in 9 deaths, 10 injuries

Nine people were killed and other ten injured in clashes after two armed militants attacked the Church of Saint Menas, in the suburban Cairo District of Helwan, said the Health Ministry’s official spokesperson Khalid Maghed.

Source and the rest of the text (http://www.egyptindependent.com/update-helwan-church-attack-results-in-9-deaths-10-injuries-health-ministry/)
Title: Re: Persecution of Copts in Egypt
Post by: Sethrak on July 24, 2018, 11:53:58 AM
Thank You Salpy for posting this ~ A terrible situation that has been going on for far too long ~ our brothers and sisters are under attack daily ~ the world seems not to know ```

May God Love and Protect them ~ they are in such danger ```



seth