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Title: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on August 29, 2011, 06:43:50 PM
My Orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol last week.  I know that is bad already but what surprised me was the person who she was with when the purchase was made.   My stepmother was the one who drove her to the store, she has been attending a protestant church all her life and has been the most dedicated person outside of the orthodox church that I know.   I started asking around and all the protestant people (except one) that I talk too seem to think it is perfectly fine to have fertility idols are perfectly fine and we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.

Is this the general rule outside of the Orthodox church?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Iconodule on August 29, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
What specifically are you referring to as a "fertility idol"?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Aindriú on August 29, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
seem to think it is perfectly fine to have fertility idols are perfectly fine and we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.

Wuuuuaaa?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on August 29, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
What specifically are you referring to as a "fertility idol"?

It was some kind of Elephant with hands.   
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Iconodule on August 29, 2011, 06:55:54 PM
Really? Like Ganesh?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on August 29, 2011, 07:04:22 PM
Really? Like Ganesh?

Yes, something about the trunk being in a certain position acording to my wife.

Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Iconodule on August 29, 2011, 07:06:07 PM
Like this guy?

(http://www.prlog.org/10162873-ganesh-statue.jpg)

Where do you live, if you don't mind?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on August 29, 2011, 07:30:36 PM
Yes that is the one.  I dont see what difference it makes it is smashed and disposed of.

My question is, Is it common for protestants to use things like this.  I have asked several and so far they dont see the big deal and two have told me to get more.  I did not name the exact idols when I talked to them.  I just used the generic term "fertility idol."
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Aindriú on August 29, 2011, 07:36:28 PM
Yes that is the one.  I dont see what difference it makes it is smashed and disposed of.

My question is, Is it common for protestants to use things like this.  I have asked several and so far they dont see the big deal and two have told me to get more.  I did not name the exact idols when I talked to them.  I just used the generic term "fertility idol."

They aren't truly Christian, if they think this. They carry beliefs of relativism and universalism. If Christianity is real, then all other gods are demons at best.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Volnutt on August 29, 2011, 07:49:15 PM
Yes that is the one.  I dont see what difference it makes it is smashed and disposed of.

My question is, Is it common for protestants to use things like this.  I have asked several and so far they dont see the big deal and two have told me to get more.  I did not name the exact idols when I talked to them.  I just used the generic term "fertility idol."
I've never seen this from Protestants I've known. Maybe they'd buy one as kitsch but not thinking it had any power. What denomination is your stepmother. Is she rather "liberal" theologically?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Iconodule on August 29, 2011, 07:57:53 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility? I have never heard of Protestants or any other Christians using Hindu statues for any purpose. I imagine most Protestants would poo their pants. Orthodox would probably take away the statue and give you an evil eye charm instead  ;)
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: biro on August 29, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
I can only think of this as something that may have been bought as a party gag or a joke. I hope she doesn't treat it any more seriously than that.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: tuesdayschild on August 29, 2011, 08:05:25 PM
My question is, Is it common for protestants to use things like this.  I have asked several and so far they dont see the big deal and two have told me to get more.  I did not name the exact idols when I talked to them.  I just used the generic term "fertility idol."

Depends on which Protestants you are speaking with. Some Protestants have so watered down Christianity that they'll accept just about anything. You can find these Protestants among Anglicans, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

Other Protestants cling rigidly to anti-idolatry, so much so that they think that Orthodox veneration of icons is idolatry. You can find these Protestants among Anglicans, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

The Protestants I know tend to fall into the second category. Those you know appear to fall into the first category.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 30, 2011, 12:06:49 AM
My Orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol last week.  I know that is bad already but what surprised me was the person who she was with when the purchase was made.   My stepmother was the one who drove her to the store, she has been attending a protestant church all her life and has been the most dedicated person outside of the orthodox church that I know.   I started asking around and all the protestant people (except one) that I talk too seem to think it is perfectly fine to have fertility idols are perfectly fine and we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.

Is this the general rule outside of the Orthodox church?
I've never seen this in the more conservative Wesleyan and Quaker churches of which I was a member.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on August 30, 2011, 12:59:54 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church, so I'm pretty used to this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: NicholasMyra on August 30, 2011, 01:09:31 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church
What
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: NicholasMyra on August 30, 2011, 01:09:55 AM
we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.
WHAT?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Alpo on August 30, 2011, 03:28:54 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: tuesdayschild on August 30, 2011, 06:21:08 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church, so I'm pretty used to this sort of thing.

Sounds perfect for these newlyweds (http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/12259447/article-Navigating-an-interfaith-marriage):
Quote
The couple attends [Olin T. Binkley Memorial Baptist Church in Chapel Hill] as well as Hindu events in people's homes and at Sri Venkateswara Temple in Cary.

She's a "Baptist with a big B" deacon, by the way. He's a Hindu ex-monk. Throw in a nosy neighbor and live-in mother-in-law, and we've got ourselves a sit-com.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: primuspilus on August 30, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
I would get that thing as far from me as possible.
"all the help you can get" is a very frightening thing for anyone claiming to be a Christian to say. There is only one fount of help.

PP
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 16, 2011, 08:20:03 PM
My Orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol last week.  I know that is bad already but what surprised me was the person who she was with when the purchase was made.   My stepmother was the one who drove her to the store, she has been attending a protestant church all her life and has been the most dedicated person outside of the orthodox church that I know.   I started asking around and all the protestant people (except one) that I talk too seem to think it is perfectly fine to have fertility idols are perfectly fine and we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.

Is this the general rule outside of the Orthodox church?

Russell,
you probably know that Protestants are some major critics of anything they believe to be idolatrous, and all Christians should agree that a Hindu god is an idol. I am really not trying to smart or harsh, but I think you know the answer already
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 16, 2011, 08:21:05 PM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church, so I'm pretty used to this sort of thing.

I wonder what the President of the SBC would have to say about that
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: JamesRottnek on September 16, 2011, 10:11:47 PM
Having grown up Protestant, I have some experience with them.  I have never, ever, ever heard of (let alone witnessed) a Protestant who thought it would be acceptable to buy a fertility god (except, perhaps, as art) let alone who would have then encouraged anyone to go out and buy one.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jason.Wike on September 17, 2011, 12:05:15 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church, so I'm pretty used to this sort of thing.

Whaaat?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on September 17, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
My Orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol last week.  I know that is bad already but what surprised me was the person who she was with when the purchase was made.   My stepmother was the one who drove her to the store, she has been attending a protestant church all her life and has been the most dedicated person outside of the orthodox church that I know.   I started asking around and all the protestant people (except one) that I talk too seem to think it is perfectly fine to have fertility idols are perfectly fine and we should seek all the help we can get from any source we can find.

Is this the general rule outside of the Orthodox church?

Russell,
you probably know that Protestants are some major critics of anything they believe to be idolatrous, and all Christians should agree that a Hindu god is an idol. I am really not trying to smart or harsh, but I think you know the answer already

That is what I thought but then this happened so I started asking around. 

 

Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: brandb on September 17, 2011, 02:01:44 AM
I'm sorry but am I the only person who thinks that this whole situation was a misunderstanding blown entirely out of proportion?
Somebody bought something, didn't know much about it, somebody got worked up and became extremely overzealous.... 
And is now making over-generalizations. ::)

And as someone who is still a Protestant I can tell you that this is not "the general rule". :P
(Some of you Orthodox are a little fuzzy on Protestant beliefs... I'm originally from the South. SB's with
idols aren't normal, please stop hinting that they are. I'm all for truth & accuracy but stereotyping is not okay.)

Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Russell on September 17, 2011, 03:51:02 AM
I'm sorry but am I the only person who thinks that this whole situation was a misunderstanding blown entirely out of proportion?
Somebody bought something, didn't know much about it, somebody got worked up and became extremely overzealous.... 
And is now making over-generalizations. ::)

And as someone who is still a Protestant I can tell you that this is not "the general rule". :P
(Some of you Orthodox are a little fuzzy on Protestant beliefs... I'm originally from the South. SB's with
idols aren't normal, please stop hinting that they are. I'm all for truth & accuracy but stereotyping is not okay.)



I never tried hinting that protestants believe one way or the other as a group. 

I will try to explain.  I can see how my last post could be seen wrongly.

Originally my general thought was that Christians would not like buying a statue for fertility issues.  Then my orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol and the most devout protestant I know helped her buy it.  It was purchased for fertility.  I was very surprised that my Step mother would do that so I asked other people about what happened and the few people I asked (face to face) to my surprise thought it was no big deal or thought we should buy more fertility idols/luck items.  They were all protestant, the one exception was our orthodox priest, he told us to get rid of it. 

Seeing the reactions here I am back to my original view that in general Christians would not like buying a statue for fertility issues.


Update: I was able to talk to my Step-mother about what happened.  She knew it was an idol of a foreign god and claims to have given a small warning to my wife, but my wife did not understand the warning.  They do have a language barrier.   We agreed that if anything comes up again, that is against Christian beliefs that she should warn my wife more strongly and perhaps advice her to call our priest.


Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: brandb on September 17, 2011, 04:07:48 AM
I'm sorry but am I the only person who thinks that this whole situation was a misunderstanding blown entirely out of proportion?
Somebody bought something, didn't know much about it, somebody got worked up and became extremely overzealous.... 
And is now making over-generalizations. ::)

And as someone who is still a Protestant I can tell you that this is not "the general rule". :P
(Some of you Orthodox are a little fuzzy on Protestant beliefs... I'm originally from the South. SB's with
idols aren't normal, please stop hinting that they are. I'm all for truth & accuracy but stereotyping is not okay.)



I never tried hinting that protestants believe one way or the other as a group. 

I will try to explain.  I can see how my last post could be seen wrongly.

Originally my general thought was that Christians would not like buying a statue for fertility issues.  Then my orthodox wife came home with a fertility idol and the most devout protestant I know helped her buy it.  It was purchased for fertility.  I was very surprised that my Step mother would do that so I asked other people about what happened and the few people I asked (face to face) to my surprise thought it was no big deal or thought we should buy more fertility idols/luck items.  They were all protestant, the one exception was our orthodox priest, he told us to get rid of it. 

Seeing the reactions here I am back to my original view that in general Christians would not like buying a statue for fertility issues.


Update: I was able to talk to my Step-mother about what happened.  She knew it was an idol of a foreign god and claims to have given a small warning to my wife, but my wife did not understand the warning.  They do have a language barrier.   We agreed that if anything comes up again, that is against Christian beliefs that she should warn my wife more strongly and perhaps advice her to call our priest.




Sorry for blabbering my confusion.  :-[
Thanks for the clarification, it definitely makes more sense now. :)  I wasn't concerned that you were the one throwing hints; someone else in this thread posted some shady stuff about Southern Baptists/idols and that is what I was objecting to. Some people on this forum have really bad cases of convertitis and it shows every now and then.  :police:
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 17, 2011, 08:06:53 AM
The Southern Baptist church I got saved in had a giant statue of Kali at the front of the church....
Let me guess: to scare away the Presbyterians?
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 17, 2011, 08:19:01 AM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility? I have never heard of Protestants or any other Christians using Hindu statues for any purpose. I imagine most Protestants would poo their pants. Orthodox would probably take away the statue and give you an evil eye charm instead  ;)
"Ganesha (http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/)" does literally mean "Lord of Hosts", which is, of course, also a title for Elohim. Whether Ganesha could be a Hindu-interpretation of an Elohimic revelation, is an interesting question.

Ganesha is also the Lord of Wisdom (Greek: Sophia), Son of Shiva (the Ultimate Divine Person-Source), pointing to a possible Christological and Pneumatological significance.

As far as fertility is concerned, the lack of children is considered an obstacle to people trying to have children. Ganesha is known as Vighnaraja (http://www.crowdedworld.com/india/8ganeshas.html), the Remover of Obstacles. He is known for removing obstacles to people's well-being. The primary obstacles are lust, greed, egotism, jealousy, etc., but Ganesha can also help in other ways, and I suspect fertility is one of those other ways.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Asteriktos on September 17, 2011, 09:52:23 AM
Many people visit Risa every year and pick up the Horga'hn fertility statuette. It indicates the desire for jamaharon on Risa, but is a generally recognized symbol of sexuality elsewhere as well. There's nothing at all strange about it.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Aindriú on September 17, 2011, 02:05:48 PM
Many people visit Risa every year and pick up the Horga'hn fertility statuette. It indicates the desire for jamaharon on Risa, but is a generally recognized symbol of sexuality elsewhere as well. There's nothing at all strange about it.

Duh, da die da, da dee dee. Da dee da da da da da do da da....

(http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tng-148-the-enterprise-prepare/320x240.jpg)
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Asteriktos on September 17, 2011, 02:12:42 PM
Duh, da die da, da dee dee. Da dee da da da da da do da da....

The anthropological insights I shared in my last post remain valid, regardless of the culture or century from which they are derived!
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: primuspilus on September 19, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
Duh, da die da, da dee dee. Da dee da da da da da do da da....

The anthropological insights I shared in my last post remain valid, regardless of the culture or century from which they are derived!
I have every episode of every series....except for Enterprise. Bakula will always be the quantum leap guy......

Death by Jamaharon :)

PP
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: LizaSymonenko on September 19, 2011, 11:18:36 AM

Many years back my coworkers decided to exchange Christmas gifts.  We decided to make them "special"...and if possible home made.

While I painted a painting to match the decor of the young man to whom I was gifting, he in return gave me a 4 inch brass fertility goddess.  Ewwww!  I cringed when I pulled it out....but, had to smile....as I had to work with these people.   I was very young at the time and was rather insulted that he would give such a thing to me.

I didn't want to take it in to my house, so, on the drive home I took a rural road and pitched it in to a cow field.  I wonder if calving season improved the following year!

Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Aindriú on September 19, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
so, on the drive home I took a rural road and pitched it in to a cow field. 

LOL
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: ignatios on September 20, 2011, 07:12:50 PM
I recommend more than a "stern warning" against the possible dangers of idolatry. Remember what happened to all the Old Testament Israelites when they committed idolatry?

Jetavan, with all respect to you as someone more knowledgeable in these matters, I have to disagree that there could be much positive benefit in the identification of Ganesha with Christ. In the OT, again, all the pagan Gods of the Canaanites and such were possibly linked to the God of Israel from a developmental, anthropological point of view, but that doesn't mean that YHWH didn't take care to clarify things for us throughout time. So many years after the fact, we shouldn't still be blurring the categories and synthesizing various religions when the Church has been established by God. Please forgive me if I have blown things way out of proportion, or entirely misinterpreted your comments.

My final opinion is that the idol of Ganesha, or whatever fertility idol it may be, should be smashed to pieces, lest anyone else find it and venerate it.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 20, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
Jetavan, with all respect to you as someone more knowledgeable in these matters, I have to disagree that there could be much positive benefit in the identification of Ganesha with Christ.
A Hindu looking into Christianity might find benefit in noticing the commonalities between (not "identifications-with") Christianity and Hinduism.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: ignatios on September 20, 2011, 09:53:02 PM
Jetavan, with all respect to you as someone more knowledgeable in these matters, I have to disagree that there could be much positive benefit in the identification of Ganesha with Christ.
A Hindu looking into Christianity might find benefit in noticing the commonalities between (not "identifications-with") Christianity and Hinduism.

Cool beans.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 21, 2011, 05:57:45 AM
Jetavan, with all respect to you as someone more knowledgeable in these matters, I have to disagree that there could be much positive benefit in the identification of Ganesha with Christ.
A Hindu looking into Christianity might find benefit in noticing the commonalities between (not "identifications-with") Christianity and Hinduism.

That still might lead one (in this case either a Christian or a Hindu) to believe that the two are effectively the same.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 21, 2011, 06:42:32 AM
Jetavan, with all respect to you as someone more knowledgeable in these matters, I have to disagree that there could be much positive benefit in the identification of Ganesha with Christ.
A Hindu looking into Christianity might find benefit in noticing the commonalities between (not "identifications-with") Christianity and Hinduism.

That still might lead one (in this case either a Christian or a Hindu) to believe that the two are effectively the same.
At the level of language, doctrine, ritual, and tradition, the Christian traditions and the Hindu traditions are very different traditions. But since both Christians and Hindus are humans, and have identical biological and psycho-somatic structures, one would expect that their respective traditions would also share extensive commonalities.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Keble on September 21, 2011, 08:06:58 AM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 21, 2011, 09:27:05 AM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 21, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."


I really hope some of our Protestant friends don't read the last post and get what can only be described as a really bad idea of how Orthodox Christians (at the very least as a whole) feel about prayers to Ganesha, Apollo, the Tooth Fairy...
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: Jetavan on September 21, 2011, 01:45:21 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."


I really hope some of our Protestant friends don't read the last post and get what can only be described as a really bad idea of how Orthodox Christians (at the very least as a whole) feel about prayers to Ganesha, Apollo, the Tooth Fairy...
I don't think anyone here is advocating prayers to non-Christian Deities, but simply describing in what ways Ganesh is venerated.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: brandb on September 21, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."


I really hope some of our Protestant friends don't read the last post and get what can only be described as a really bad idea of how Orthodox Christians (at the very least as a whole) feel about prayers to Ganesha, Apollo, the Tooth Fairy...
I don't think anyone here is advocating prayers to non-Christian Deities, but simply describing in what ways Ganesh is venerated.


We're Protestant, not dumb. I've been following that convo for a while and I understand what they meant.
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on September 21, 2011, 07:05:26 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."


I really hope some of our Protestant friends don't read the last post and get what can only be described as a really bad idea of how Orthodox Christians (at the very least as a whole) feel about prayers to Ganesha, Apollo, the Tooth Fairy...
I don't think anyone here is advocating prayers to non-Christian Deities, but simply describing in what ways Ganesh is venerated.


We're Protestant, not dumb. I've been following that convo for a while and I understand what they meant.

I never meant to insuate the Protestants were dumb; rather that some people would think that we fall into the "many ways to God" heresey
Title: Re: Fertility Idols
Post by: brandb on September 21, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
I'm no expert on Hinduism- is Ganesh typically invoked for fertility?

Ganesh is about removing obstacles, not fertility. For instance, it's common for Hindus to have a Ganesh idol on their dashboard in order to get them out of traffic jams.

Infertility might be seen as an obstacle (http://www.indiaparenting.com/rhymes-and-songs/141_2482/jai-ganesh-jai-ganesh.html):

"Let us praise Lord Ganesh;
 He is the one whose mother is Goddess Parvati
 and father is Lord Mahadeva (Shiva)
 He is Ek dant - one who is single toothed
 He is dayavant - the one who is kind and merciful
 He is char bhuja dhari - one who has four hands
 He is the one who always bears tilak on his forehead
 and can ride even a mouse;
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh.

He is the one who blesses blind with vision and diseased with healthier skin;
 He blesses Infertile with children and loves and cares [for] poor people.
 Let us praise Lord Ganesh."


I really hope some of our Protestant friends don't read the last post and get what can only be described as a really bad idea of how Orthodox Christians (at the very least as a whole) feel about prayers to Ganesha, Apollo, the Tooth Fairy...
I don't think anyone here is advocating prayers to non-Christian Deities, but simply describing in what ways Ganesh is venerated.


We're Protestant, not dumb. I've been following that convo for a while and I understand what they meant.

I never meant to insuate the Protestants were dumb; rather that some people would think that we fall into the "many ways to God" heresey

Fair enough. :)