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Title: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: 88Devin12 on June 08, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
Was reading about internet "memes" and found this:

http://www.zazzle.com/europe_according_to_the_vatican_poster-228241982411366618

Europe according to the Vatican... Kind of funny...

Warning, it is not politically correct, and may offend some.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: IsmiLiora on June 08, 2011, 09:03:59 PM
Okay, I might need to buy this. I'm a sucker for memes that mess with maps.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: JamesRottnek on June 08, 2011, 09:07:47 PM
Love it
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: 88Devin12 on June 08, 2011, 09:10:25 PM
I think I'm gonna make a map for "The World According to Greece" or something like that...
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Paisius on June 08, 2011, 09:15:24 PM
Oh man that's funny. :laugh:
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: sprtslvr1973 on June 08, 2011, 09:20:37 PM
The Dutch are the Handsome Blond Boys
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Wyatt on June 08, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
That's pretty good. LOL.  :D
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: deusveritasest on June 08, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
LOL. Nice.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 08, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
Christ is ascended!
Interesting.  I'll have to leave it at that, lest it be misconstrued as political.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 09, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
I love these maps.  ;D
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Robert W on June 09, 2011, 04:14:57 AM
Jesus never went to Finland :_(

Thanks for posting  ;D
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 09, 2011, 06:34:54 AM
Christ is ascended!
Jesus never went to Finland :_(

Thanks for posting  ;D
Don't feel bad. He never went to Greece, Russia or Italy either.

But He did spend His childhood in Egypt. ;D
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: podkarpatska on June 09, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
I think I'm gonna make a map for "The World According to Greece" or something like that...

Just change the color code and few words and all is good!  I was glad to see that most of us come from lands
that are just 'misguided'.  ;) ;) ;) :o
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: synLeszka on June 10, 2011, 09:29:52 AM
Why is Belarus WTF?
Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.
I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on June 10, 2011, 09:36:19 AM
I think I'm gonna make a map for "The World According to Greece" or something like that...

Just change the color code and few words and all is good!  I was glad to see that most of us come from lands
that are just 'misguided'.  ;) ;) ;) :o

Not I; I am an assassin!
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: podkarpatska on June 10, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Why is Belarus WTF?
Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.
I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)


Lighten up, it's supposed to be satire, not scholarship.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 10, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
Christ is ascended!
Why is Belarus WTF?
Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.
I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)
Your friends, the Teutonic Knights.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Teutonic_Order_1410.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: synLeszka on June 10, 2011, 10:47:01 AM
Lighten up, it's supposed to be satire, not scholarship.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that;
The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese.
The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.
 
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: augustin717 on June 10, 2011, 11:24:57 AM
They got us quite right: "orthodox Latins", a unique historic accident.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: podkarpatska on June 10, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
Lighten up, it's supposed to be satire, not scholarship.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that;
The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese.
The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.
 

I guess I misunderstood your point, but to my American ears, it would be like saying one of the former Confederate  states over another was the less oppressive than others with 'Jim Crow' race laws following our Civil War and Reconstruction.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: synLeszka on June 10, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
Lighten up, it's supposed to be satire, not scholarship.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that;
The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese.
The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.
 

I guess I misunderstood your point, but to my American ears, it would be like saying one of the former Confederate  states over another was the less oppressive than others with 'Jim Crow' race laws following our Civil War and Reconstruction.
Yes, I take into fact that your American understanding is different. (I have no idea what you are writing in the myth of the schism marriage thread.There I will add a post on that topic)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: HabteSelassie on June 10, 2011, 05:03:55 PM
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Jesus never went to Finland :_(

Thanks for posting  ;D

What about our sister churches in the Finnish Orthodox ;)

My favorite was the "meh" for Macedonia and the "oh dear" for the Netherlands!

stay blessed,
habte selassie
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: lubeltri on June 11, 2011, 12:31:46 PM
Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States!

Long live our sovereign, the Bishop of Rome!

(http://www.overheardinthesacristy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/benedict-in-tiara.jpg)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 12:55:22 PM

Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States Vatican!

Long live our sovereign, the Bishop of Rome!
(http://fantana.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/ps-siluan.jpg)
Many years! La multi ani!
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: mike on June 11, 2011, 01:03:18 PM
He is not a Bishop of Rome.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
Christ is ascended!
(http://www.overheardinthesacristy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/benedict-in-tiara.jpg)
He is not a Bishop of Rome.
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: lubeltri on June 11, 2011, 01:28:54 PM

Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States Vatican Papal States!

I don't think so. My family is from Montefiascone, on the northern edge of Lazio, not Vatican Hill in Rome.

(http://www.mapzones.com/citymap/italy/lazio/montefiascone.jpg)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: lubeltri on June 11, 2011, 01:31:41 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Wyatt on June 11, 2011, 01:33:16 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 01:40:44 PM

Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States Vatican Papal States!

I don't think so. My family is from Montefiascone, on the northern edge of Lazio, not Vatican Hill in Rome.

(http://www.mapzones.com/citymap/italy/lazio/montefiascone.jpg)

Then you are out of luck, as this is the only papal state since the Donation of Mussolini a/k/a the Lateran Treaty
(http://en.18dao.net/images/4/4c/Map-Vatican_City.jpg)
(http://static6.depositphotos.com/1008458/539/i/450/dep_5392704-Vatican-City-State-flag-on-map.jpg)
You will notice that it is surrounded by Italy.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 01:46:18 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
If he calls him "the" or even "a" "bishop of Rome in his diptychs, history has shown that I will by far not be the only one taking it up with him.

And now, having signed the Chambesy accord, His All-Holiness recognizes HG+Siluan Spam as having his see at Rome.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Christ is ascended!
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)
If His All Holiness commemorates your supreme Pontiff, His All Holiness is who will be thrown out.

So, are you admiting that you believe everything your supreme pontiff says is infallible?

Btw, I do believe that HAH refers to Rowan Williams as Archbishop of Canterbury, but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 11, 2011, 01:50:46 PM
Why is Belarus WTF?
Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.
I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)
The Teutonic Order controlled most of that territory at its height.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 11, 2011, 01:58:13 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 03:06:52 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.
Shhh!  We are not supposed to notice that, much less bring it up!
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: mike on June 11, 2011, 04:21:20 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

You perfectly know that I don't mean Benedict XVI but Bishops Silvanus who is a Bishop of Italy that resides in Rome.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: podkarpatska on June 11, 2011, 05:45:49 PM
Sigh x 3. We can't even have a good chuckle without the usual crap being thrown about by the usual suspects of all sides.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Peter J on June 11, 2011, 06:01:32 PM
If he calls him "the" or even "a" "bishop of Rome in his diptychs, history has shown that I will by far not be the only one taking it up with him.

When I read this, I was going to post "Well, I guess I really should stop calling Rowan Williams "the Archbishop of Canterbury". But then I discovered that had already been brought up:

Btw, I do believe that HAH refers to Rowan Williams as Archbishop of Canterbury, but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

I think there a lesson in all this ... I had it a moment ago ... something about "not being" or "so rigid" or something. Hold on, I'll remember it in a minute ...
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 06:07:58 PM
Christ is ascended!
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

You perfectly know that I don't mean Benedict XVI but Bishops Silvanus who is a Bishop of Italy that resides in Rome.
The sovereign of Vatican City Benedict XVI claims to be Metropolitan of Italy (supposedly that's the middle tier of the tiara).  Bishop Siluan has his see in Rome.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Cognomen on June 11, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 11, 2011, 06:42:14 PM
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Given that he's married, he couldn't be accepted as a bishop. Those who knowledgable are quite often ordained immediatly after chrismation, but he would likely be received as a layman, even if he was ordained immediatly after.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Cognomen on June 11, 2011, 07:38:54 PM
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Vlad on June 11, 2011, 08:15:54 PM
Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States!

Long live our sovereign, the Bishop of Rome!

(http://www.overheardinthesacristy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/benedict-in-tiara.jpg)


Nice Photoshop. Ratzinger would never wear the tiara. He's a modernist.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Vlad on June 11, 2011, 08:16:52 PM

Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States Vatican!

Long live our sovereign, the Bishop of Rome!
(http://fantana.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/ps-siluan.jpg)
Many years! La multi ani!


 ;D Yep
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Vlad on June 11, 2011, 08:20:03 PM
As to the original post funny stuff.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Shlomlokh on June 11, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
Well, it didn't take long for this thread to veer off course. :P

In Christ,
Andrew
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Peter J on June 11, 2011, 10:24:24 PM
Well, it didn't take long for this thread to veer off course. :P

We need a map.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 11, 2011, 10:55:24 PM
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 11:16:34 PM
The Spirit has descended!
Proud citizen and subject of the Papal States!

Long live our sovereign, the Bishop of Rome!

(http://www.overheardinthesacristy.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/benedict-in-tiara.jpg)


Nice Photoshop. Ratzinger would never wear the tiara. He's a modernist.
LOL. I was waiting for someone else to notice the incongruity.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 11:18:13 PM
The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 11, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ialmisry on June 11, 2011, 11:56:15 PM
The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.

Not the start:
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Which was answering this:
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
Many Protestant clergy, even Baptist, have been ordained nearly immediately after being received.  But they have to be ordained: no Orthodox Church has ever recognized Protestant "orders." It is not, for instance, like Protestants' marriages being received when they are. (In fact, the Antiochian archdiocese requires converts to be remarried with the Orthodox service before ordination).
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Kasatkin fan on June 12, 2011, 12:04:24 AM
The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.

Not the start:
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Which was answering this:
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
Many Protestant clergy, even Baptist, have been ordained nearly immediately after being received.  But they have to be ordained: no Orthodox Church has ever recognized Protestant "orders." It is not, for instance, like Protestants' marriages being received when they are. (In fact, the Antiochian archdiocese requires converts to be remarried with the Orthodox service before ordination).

I said dialogue, not conversation.  ;)
Certainly the conversation started otherwise.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Alpo on June 12, 2011, 07:01:39 AM
Nice Photoshop. Ratzinger would never wear the tiara. He's a modernist.

What do you mean by "modernist" and what makes you think His Holiness is one? I've understood that his Catholicism is fairly traditional.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: ozgeorge on June 12, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Was reading about internet "memes" and found this:

http://www.zazzle.com/europe_according_to_the_vatican_poster-228241982411366618

Europe according to the Vatican... Kind of funny...

Warning, it is not politically correct, and may offend some.

Love it!
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: lubeltri on June 18, 2011, 12:36:30 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

Nice job exposing your total ignorance of the dogma of papal infallibility. Time Magazine or the New York Times or the ravings of a guy at the water cooler are not the best sources for clearing up this ignorance.  ::)
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: Peter J on June 18, 2011, 06:32:17 PM
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  :)
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  ;)

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

Nice job exposing your total ignorance of the dogma of papal infallibility. Time Magazine or the New York Times or the ravings of a guy at the water cooler are not the best sources for clearing up this ignorance.  ::)

You're awfully optimistic.

I don't know what Time Magazine or the New York Times say about Papal Infallibility; but I did spend a lot of time on the Catholic Answers Forum (catholic.com), and you would not believe the amount of ignorance among Catholics concerning P.I.
Title: Re: Funny: Europe according to the Vatican map
Post by: CBGardner on June 18, 2011, 07:13:47 PM
I love these maps.  ;D

Me too. It almost always says more about the author than anyone else though.