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Title: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Poppy on June 08, 2011, 01:57:43 PM
How comes the British Orthodox church isn't joined with the other main Orthodox churches?? I know a small bit about the council that the coptic didn't turn up to and so they are outside but what does that mean in practise??

They agree with each other but don't join in together with things??
They don't agree about hardly anything??

Will that be changed by any future meetings that can solve the problem?? or is there a big stumble block that neither can get over??
Thanks Poppy

ps if there's a thread about this then link it and i will go read save everyone having to repost what they said somewhere else.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: mike on June 08, 2011, 02:03:10 PM
They are united with the Oriental Orthodox Churches: Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Ethiopian, Eritrean and Indian.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Poppy on June 08, 2011, 02:36:07 PM
18 views and 1 diplomatic reply

Worse then mentioning the M word HA!!!  ;)

Ok i will go look it up no worries.
Thanks Poppy
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Salpy on June 08, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
How comes the British Orthodox church isn't joined with the other main Orthodox churches?? I know a small bit about the council that the coptic didn't turn up to and so they are outside but what does that mean in practise??

They agree with each other but don't join in together with things??
They don't agree about hardly anything??

Will that be changed by any future meetings that can solve the problem?? or is there a big stumble block that neither can get over??
Thanks Poppy

ps if there's a thread about this then link it and i will go read save everyone having to repost what they said somewhere else.

The British Orthodox are Oriental Orthodox (Non-Chalcedonian) as opposed to the Greeks, Russians, Serbs, etc. who are Eastern Orthodox (Chalcedon.)  In a nutshell, the difference is that the Oriental Orthodox recognize three councils as Ecumenical, whereas the Eastern Orthodox have more.  This all has to do with a disagreement about how to define the divinity and humanity of Christ (One Incarnate Nature vs. Two Natures, etc.)  

It is of course much more complicated than that, and it has been the subject of much discussion, as well as heated arguments, on this board.  The nastier arguments here get thrown into a private forum.   :)

There is a short, non-polemical thread that recently addressed the linguistic differences between us:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36721.0.html

There are many scholars who have studied the issues and have come to the conclusion that we believe the same thing, despite our different language.  Some others of course disagree with this.  I don't know if unity between us will come any time soon, as there are a lot of other issues to clear up between us, such as what to do with saints who are venerated by one Church while being condemned by the other, etc.  It's something we can pray for, though.   :)
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Salpy on June 08, 2011, 02:46:47 PM
Here's another recent thread:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36381.msg575025.html#top
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: deusveritasest on June 08, 2011, 07:06:07 PM
I know a small bit about the council that the coptic didn't turn up to

That is incorrect. They turned up to it and did not accept the decisions of the majority.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Salpy on June 08, 2011, 07:31:16 PM
For more information on the British Orthodox Church, here is their website:

http://britishorthodox.org/
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Αριστοκλής on June 09, 2011, 02:19:03 AM
I know a small bit about the council that the coptic didn't turn up to

That is incorrect. They turned up to it and did not accept the decisions of the majority.
And neither did they them directly at the council. The rejection came later. A reading of the acts of that council shows it concluded, sort of - with the question being left open for them.

I maintain (perhaps naively so) that the council can be considered STILL open and therein the path to reunion.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: deusveritasest on June 09, 2011, 02:29:54 AM
And neither did they them directly at the council.

Saint Dioscorus did.

The rejection came later. A reading of the acts of that council shows it concluded, sort of - with the question being left open for them.

I maintain (perhaps naively so) that the council can be considered STILL open and therein the path to reunion.

Well, the OO Tradition is really founded on a group of Saints who had a consensus rejection of Chalcedon, even if that occurred after Chalcedon, so there really is no accepting Chalcedon without repudiating the history teaching on it. In that sense the status of Chalcedon is not open in OOy.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: Αριστοκλής on June 09, 2011, 02:37:36 AM
I am not certain Saint Dioscoros was even there.
I wasn't necessarily referring to the OOs in my Open contention but won't argue your point. Neither will I further get into this on the sub-board and topic.
Title: Re: British Orthodox Church
Post by: deusveritasest on June 09, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
I am not certain Saint Dioscoros was even there.

Seriously?

You really need to read up on Chalcedon then.