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Title: Complicity East and West
Post by: elijahmaria on May 20, 2011, 10:02:39 AM
http://open.salon.com/blog/lost_in_berlin/2010/10/27/the_hitler_icon_how_mount_athos_honored_the_fhrer
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: Asteriktos on May 20, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
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Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: Ioannis Climacus on May 20, 2011, 10:34:41 AM
This article is a piece of secular trash. The real intent is an attack on the Church. More filth from the anti-Christ media.

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encountered a religious community that was more than willing to embrace Nazism
How did the monks embrace Nazism? Allying with a political leader hardly classifies as embracing a philosophy.

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Mount Athos survived the war nearly untouched, which is more than can be said for the rest of Greece, which lost 11 percent of its population, including virtually all of its Jews.
I know exactly what they are implying here. ::) I don't think anyone escapes blame for the Holohoax.

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*Banishing the opposite sex from the peninsula might sound like a recipe for boredom, but it appears that the monks knew how to keep busy. According to a Time Magazine article in April 1941, "[a]n alarming number of monks have taken to smoking, alcohol, even narcotics. And the immemorial escape from celibacy has threatened to become a fever sickening the whole 'Great Academy of the Greek Clergy.' The Greek press has stormed about the kidnapping of male children for the monks of Athos, and motorboats carrying male prostitutes are constantly reported chugging into the monastery harbors."
??? Is there any evidence for this absurd claim? Considering it is from the American media, probably not.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: Iconodule on May 20, 2011, 10:37:57 AM
This story was already discussed somewhere else. The monks were not Nazis. Mt. Athos actually harbored Jewish families.

The holocaust was not a hoax, Ioannis.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: Asteriktos on May 20, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
This article is a piece of secular trash. The real intent is an attack on the Church. More filth from the anti-Christ media.

(http://pressvision.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil-photo.jpg)
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: WetCatechumen on May 20, 2011, 04:53:41 PM
This story was already discussed somewhere else. The monks were not Nazis. Mt. Athos actually harbored Jewish families.

The holocaust was not a hoax, Ioannis.
Kind of like the Vatican, huh.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: Shanghaiski on May 20, 2011, 05:00:00 PM
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*Banishing the opposite sex from the peninsula might sound like a recipe for boredom, but it appears that the monks knew how to keep busy. According to a Time Magazine article in April 1941, "[a]n alarming number of monks have taken to smoking, alcohol, even narcotics. And the immemorial escape from celibacy has threatened to become a fever sickening the whole 'Great Academy of the Greek Clergy.' The Greek press has stormed about the kidnapping of male children for the monks of Athos, and motorboats carrying male prostitutes are constantly reported chugging into the monastery harbors."
??? Is there any evidence for this absurd claim? Considering it is from the American media, probably not.

I don't know about the specifics here, but Mt. Athos did suffer a moral decline amongst some of the monks in the late 19th, early 20th centuries. There are other reports of some of the same behaviors. Just because a place is holy does not mean the residents are. See exhibit A, the Holy Land.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: elijahmaria on May 20, 2011, 09:13:17 PM
When I found that article, I thought that it fit so well with other kinds of insanity in evidence during that period of our world's history.

War allows some people to express themselves in ways that they would not dare to do otherwise.

And it forces others to do things that in other circumstances they would abhor and abjure.

Friend and foe become confused and difficult to identify in resistance to the evil.

Even the stones cry out...

Actually I thought that war is very much like schism in the distortions that it produces.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: augustin717 on May 20, 2011, 11:48:24 PM

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*Banishing the opposite sex from the peninsula might sound like a recipe for boredom, but it appears that the monks knew how to keep busy. According to a Time Magazine article in April 1941, "[a]n alarming number of monks have taken to smoking, alcohol, even narcotics. And the immemorial escape from celibacy has threatened to become a fever sickening the whole 'Great Academy of the Greek Clergy.' The Greek press has stormed about the kidnapping of male children for the monks of Athos, and motorboats carrying male prostitutes are constantly reported chugging into the monastery harbors."
 Is there any evidence for this absurd claim? Considering it is from the American media, probably not.

I recommend you L'ete grec (The Greek Summer) by Jaques Lacariere where he humorously  describes a few instances where monks cornered him for not so celibate purposes and others of the kind. I imagine they felt more free to do that to obviously non-pilgrim Westerners . His travels took place in the late forties and fifties.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: NicholasMyra on May 21, 2011, 12:00:37 AM
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to piggyback the 60 minutes episode mentioning this, with an embellished and highly anti-Christian account of the events.

By the way, since when is TIME magazine a reputable source?

This article is a piece of secular trash. The real intent is an attack on the Church. More filth from the anti-Christ media.

[img width=600]http://pressvision.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil-photo.jpg[/img
Come on, Asteriktos. There was collaboration, but nothing like what the article implies.
Title: Re: Complicity East and West
Post by: deusveritasest on May 21, 2011, 12:40:26 AM
Are you harping on that same propaganda about the Orthodox supposedly not recognizing sinfulness in their own tradition?