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Title: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 18, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
As we all know by now, a Protestant radio preacher has advised us all that the world will end this Saturday, May 21st. While I would hope that no faithful Orthodox Christian would put any stock in such heretical musings, I know from growing up as a priest's kid that many a pastor's phone is busy this week with worried parishioners seeking reassurance after being scared to death at work or at the grocery store by  someone convinced that they are about to be raptured and their poor Orthodox neighbor is doomed.

Here are two thoughtful and cogent articles to read to put your mind at rest.

The first is a post from my friend, Fr. Jonathan's blog, Second Terrace. He is an Orthodox priest and a former Protestant preacher. His insight is really on point:  Eschatological fruitcake Part One: the Depressing Sunday. http://janotec.typepad.com/terrace/2011/05/eschatological-fruitcake.html

And for a great, catholic , point by point refutation of Camping's musings, I suggest this from the National Catholic Register: Major Supernatural Event This Saturday! (Rapture Prediction Analyzed!) http://www.ncregister.com/blog/major-supernatural-event-this-saturday/ .(It's on point whether you are a Roman Catholic, or if you view the Orthodox Church as as being the catholic one.)

Please read these, sleep tight and spare your priest a tortured phone call. His kids will thank you for sure!
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: LizaSymonenko on May 18, 2011, 02:54:45 PM

It's sad that some folks can be swayed so easily.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Tallitot on May 18, 2011, 03:01:57 PM
Here's how much time we have left (http://free.timeanddate.com/countdown/i2lbl6dq/n263/cf100/cm0/cu4/ct0/cs0/ca0/cr0/ss0/cac000/cpc000/pcfff/tcfff/fs100/szw320/szh135/tatTime%20left%20to%20Event%20in/tac000/tptTime%20since%20Event%20started%20in/tpc000/mac000/mpc000/iso2011-05-21T18:00:00)

Actually I'm not worried...I live in the Virginia where everything happens 20 years later ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: LizaSymonenko on May 18, 2011, 03:05:21 PM

That's too funny!

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 18, 2011, 03:06:27 PM
Everyone, calm down. God won't want the world to end on my birthday.  :-*
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 18, 2011, 03:22:40 PM

It's sad that some folks can be swayed so easily.



I think the whole thing is ludicrous, but there are many misguided souls out there who can be easily misled. There are unscrupulous people taking advantage of them by offering pet sitting services etc...How bizarre.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 18, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
I was looking forward to getting a new "unmanned in case of rapture" car.  :(
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 18, 2011, 03:54:29 PM
I was looking forward to getting a new "unmanned in case of rapture" car.  :(


probably not too many Audi's, Caddies...etc...except outside of the megachurch employees lot!   ;D But wait a bit as they will likely come out for them after all....
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 18, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
Everyone, calm down. God won't want the world to end on my birthday.  :-*

What if he does though, and just puts you in some kind of delusional stasis, until your appointed birthday time is fulfilled?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 18, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Everyone, calm down. God won't want the world to end on my birthday.  :-*

Is there a better birthday present than Jesus?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 18, 2011, 04:43:07 PM
LOL guys!  ;D Maybe Jesus will take me up in the Rapture first!!! I have to be good for the next few days.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: orthonorm on May 18, 2011, 04:50:46 PM
If it weren't for this site, I would have no idea what you are talking about.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: quietmorning on May 18, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
**sitting here laughing until tears are falling**

You guys/gals are a riot! 
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Robb on May 18, 2011, 06:02:08 PM
The event this Saturday is supposed to be the "Rapture"?  I had mistakenly heard that the world was to be destroyed by a giant earthquake that day (Either way its not good news).

Also, from Fr. Johnathans blog, I had no idea that Pittsburgs exurbs are home to a bustling Pentecostal population?  You usually don't associate both Pittsburg and "exurbs" as being pentecostal havens (Its also a shame if a lot of those Pentecostals are former RC/OC's).
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 18, 2011, 06:14:27 PM
Also, from Fr. Johnathans blog, I had no idea that Pittsburgs exurbs are home to a bustling Pentecostal population?  You usually don't associate both Pittsburg and "exurbs" as being pentecostal havens (Its also a shame if a lot of those Pentecostals are former RC/OC's).

The blog entry mentions Pittsburgh, which is not the same as Pittsburg.  ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Luke on May 18, 2011, 06:17:31 PM
Everyone, calm down. God won't want the world to end on my birthday.  :-*
It depends on how presents your husband is expected to buy.  God might be doing him a favor. ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: biro on May 18, 2011, 06:57:43 PM
I bet lots of people are going to have 'he was wrong' parties.  :laugh: That cake is going to taste really good.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 19, 2011, 09:56:56 AM
The event this Saturday is supposed to be the "Rapture"?  I had mistakenly heard that the world was to be destroyed by a giant earthquake that day (Either way its not good news).

Also, from Fr. Johnathans blog, I had no idea that Pittsburgs exurbs are home to a bustling Pentecostal population?  You usually don't associate both Pittsburg and "exurbs" as being pentecostal havens (Its also a shame if a lot of those Pentecostals are former RC/OC's).

For as many Slavs and Greeks of the eastern persuasion as there are in wa/pa (western Pennsylvania) there are probably far more Bible belt types...they don't call it 'Pennsyltucky' for nuttin' !  :)

I read a blog entry somewhere that at a Catholic college in the South, several of the fraternities were planning to leave piles of clothes and shoes lying around the town as a joke. Don't know if the townfolks would take too kindly to that, but it is devilishly funny.  see http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=121968371215699
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: recent convert on May 19, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
I don't think most evangelical Protestants have any use for Camping, I have heard a couple of mainstream radio preachers denounce him. I also knew a Landmark Baptist preacher who called Camping a heretic.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 19, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
Everyone, calm down. God won't want the world to end on my birthday.  :-*
It depends on how presents your husband is expected to buy.  God might be doing him a favor. ;)
Hey, I'm very low key. I don't know why my husband isn't happy with just giving me his credit card and taking me to a Sephora.....it's not like he has to be creative or anything....  ???
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 19, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
So is the Rapture on the Old Calendar or New Calendar? 

You know on Monday I'd love to go up to these people as say, "I guess you weren't one of the chosen either."   ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 19, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
Just for the record, I'm nervous
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 19, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
So is the Rapture on the Old Calendar or New Calendar? 

You know on Monday I'd love to go up to these people as say, "I guess you weren't one of the chosen either."   ;)

I think the other thread refers to "local time". So, it must be on May 21, whenever that happens to fall on whatever calendar is being officially used. I'm sure it will happen again 13 days later for all those Protestant missions in countries still officially on the old calendar.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 19, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
So is the Rapture on the Old Calendar or New Calendar? 

You know on Monday I'd love to go up to these people as say, "I guess you weren't one of the chosen either."   ;)

I think the other thread refers to "local time". So, it must be on May 21, whenever that happens to fall on whatever calendar is being officially used. I'm sure it will happen again 13 days later for all those Protestant missions in countries still officially on the old calendar.

Ah, a double Rapture...tee hee
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Jharek Carnelian on May 19, 2011, 05:16:02 PM
The event this Saturday is supposed to be the "Rapture"?  I had mistakenly heard that the world was to be destroyed by a giant earthquake that day (Either way its not good news).

Also, from Fr. Johnathans blog, I had no idea that Pittsburgs exurbs are home to a bustling Pentecostal population?  You usually don't associate both Pittsburg and "exurbs" as being pentecostal havens (Its also a shame if a lot of those Pentecostals are former RC/OC's).

Yes apparently this Saturday is the Rapture (stay pure, old Blondie joke..) and then the world will later on be destroryed according to Mr. Camping in October. I advise everyone to pop along to his site. It's a laugh riot, one of the proofs he offers that his date is correct is that when he asks people what does the Bible say about the end times it says no-one knows the hour or the day. Harold somehow views people giving this to him as an answer as supporting his er, theories.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 19, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
Saturday morning is a DL for The Evangelist John the Theologian. So I will be in Church.

Does anyone know what time this is going to happen? 
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: biro on May 19, 2011, 09:56:17 PM
I wonder what Family Radio (Harold Camping's AM & online network) will play right up to the 'end.'

Or, what will they play the day after, when nothing has happened?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: vamrat on May 19, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
Wait, so the world is not ending now?  I'm confused...
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stashko on May 19, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: PrincessMommy on May 20, 2011, 09:01:26 AM
I don't think most evangelical Protestants have any use for Camping, I have heard a couple of mainstream radio preachers denounce him. I also knew a Landmark Baptist preacher who called Camping a heretic.

I agree. 
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Mivac on May 20, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
<-----  Going to lay out some clothes on the street corner as if someone was raptured.  :angel:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Mivac on May 20, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
I wonder what Family Radio (Harold Camping's AM & online network) will play right up to the 'end.'

Or, what will they play the day after, when nothing has happened?  ??? ??? ???

Last song request, "This is the End" by the Doors.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 20, 2011, 09:49:13 AM
How about:  "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" by R.E.M.?   ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Schultz on May 20, 2011, 09:53:27 AM
How about:  "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" by R.E.M.?   ;)

And instead of the "Leonard Bernstein!" line, the dj can drop the music out and sing, "Harold Camping!" at the appropriate part.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 20, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
How about:  "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" by R.E.M.?   ;)

And instead of the "Leonard Bernstein!" line, the dj can drop the music out and sing, "Harold Camping!" at the appropriate part.

I guess none of us is going to be raptured... ::)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Jharek Carnelian on May 20, 2011, 10:26:54 AM
You've escaped the attentions of the Camping Crew themselves I notice here. Several other religious forums I use have had new posters appear over the last weeks who not so subtly try and show how Camping predictions are true. Using methods ranging from saying 'I don't know if it's true but here's a load of links, now share them with your friends' to saying that they are been victimised and trying to play an appeal to pity to card regarding these predictions.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 20, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
You guys are going to be sorry you were so snarky about this.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: vamrat on May 20, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
You guys are going to be sorry you were so snarky about this.



Nah, my bases are covered.  We have our Church Slava on Saturday and Sunday, so if the Lord does come back I will be at the right place!
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: LizaSymonenko on May 20, 2011, 02:00:55 PM

Just read a story, that Camping stated he will spend Saturday at home with his wife, sitting by the radio and TV.

THAT is how he wishes to spend the last moments on earth...sitting by the TV???  Really?

Well, if the end comes at 6 p.m. as he stated, my ENTIRE family will be in an Orthodox church, at Vespers....with the relics of four saints present.  What better way to go?

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 20, 2011, 04:02:59 PM
You guys are going to be sorry you were so snarky about this.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 20, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
You guys are going to be sorry you were so snarky about this.



The way I look at it, if Mr. Camping is right, we are all out of luck anyway, so why not be snarky? There's nothing to lose.

As far as Camping and the television thing, well, he did say the end would come at 6 pm local time, so perhaps he will be following CNN's continuing coverage from across the globe while he is waiting!

He won't be listening to this, though....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyFiClAzq8&feature=share
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 20, 2011, 04:20:58 PM
I am going to a Greek festival that day, and there is no way better to go out than at your church, with a delicious gyro in your hands!
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 20, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
I am going to a Greek festival that day, and there is no way better to go out than at your church, with a delicious gyro in your hands!

I would choose a holubki, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Tallitot on May 20, 2011, 04:37:49 PM
Here's how much time we have left (http://free.timeanddate.com/countdown/i2lbl6dq/n263/cf100/cm0/cu4/ct0/cs0/ca0/cr0/ss0/cac000/cpc000/pcfff/tcfff/fs100/szw320/szh135/tatTime%20left%20to%20Event%20in/tac000/tptTime%20since%20Event%20started%20in/tpc000/mac000/mpc000/iso2011-05-21T18:00:00)

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Tallitot on May 20, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
6:00pm? I don't think the world will end before Shabbat does :laugh:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 20, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
6:00pm? I don't think the world will end before Shabbat does :laugh:

...or Vespers.... ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 20, 2011, 10:57:23 PM

Just read a story, that Camping stated he will spend Saturday at home with his wife, sitting by the radio and TV.

THAT is how he wishes to spend the last moments on earth...sitting by the TV???  Really?

Well, if the end comes at 6 p.m. as he stated, my ENTIRE family will be in an Orthodox church, at Vespers....with the relics of four saints present.  What better way to go?



It sounds like he will be watching the Preakness. Six PM is just about the time the winning horse will cross the finish line.........then poof.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Luke on May 20, 2011, 11:47:04 PM
I just checked with the Jerusalem Post, and Israel is still there.  Can we relax now?  :-\
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 21, 2011, 12:18:21 AM
I just checked with the Jerusalem Post, and Israel is still there.  Can we relax now?  :-\

What about the pictures coming in? How do you explain those?

(http://www.icis.com/blogs/icis-chemicals-confidential/apocalypse%20now.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on May 21, 2011, 01:13:57 AM
If your parish is Old Calendar does that mean the rapture doesn't come until June 3?  ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: biro on May 21, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
When the Rapture's over and done, will all the bad televangelist shows go off the air?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on May 21, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
When the Rapture's over and done, will all the bad televangelist shows go off the air?

Now that WOULD be a miracle!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: bogdan on May 21, 2011, 02:38:22 AM
It's past the magical hour of 6pm at GMT+12. Anything strange afoot Down Under? Has the rolling rapture gotten underway?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Saint Iaint on May 21, 2011, 05:51:47 AM
(http://christconquers.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/zomg_its_the_rapture_and_im_still_here_trollcat.jpg)

†IC XC†
†NI KA†

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 21, 2011, 10:22:49 AM
New Flash!!!! direct from H. Camping's celestial GPS.........."recalculating...."
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 21, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
New Flash!!!! direct from H. Camping's celestial GPS.........."recalculating...."

Turn left NOW!!!!

***CRASH***
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 21, 2011, 10:35:18 AM
When the Rapture's over and done, will all the bad televangelist shows go off the air?

Now that WOULD be a miracle!  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Please Lord, take them first!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 21, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
New Flash!!!! direct from H. Camping's celestial GPS.........."recalculating...."

Turn left NOW!!!!

***CRASH***

lol
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Cymbyz on May 21, 2011, 01:36:15 PM
Today is the day, ta-dut, today,
Ta-dut, ta-dut, ta-dut, today.
Today is the day, ta-dut, today,
On which, as certain prophets say,
The Lord will come for Judgement Day,
To snatch the Faithful all away,
And leave the sinners in disarray,
Uopn the twenty-first of May!
The true believers will not stay
In house or home, but flee away,
And to the world say naught but Nay,
As Camping over them holds sway.
But they may ask how he misreckoned,
When they wake up on the twenty-second.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Jharek Carnelian on May 21, 2011, 01:49:56 PM
Play that funky music etc....
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 21, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
It's probably 6 pm Eastern Time.. I just realized that that I will be standing next to Met. Hilarion, Met. of Rocor at the alter at 6 pm. He is visiting today and tomorrow. So that is a little scary.

Dare me to look at my watch and hold up five fingers, four , three , two, one.. and then look out the window.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: bogdan on May 21, 2011, 03:35:00 PM
It's probably 6 pm Eastern Time.. I just realized that that I will be standing next to Met. Hilarion, Met. of Rocor at the alter at 6 pm. He is visiting today and tomorrow. So that is a little scary.

Dare me to look at my watch and hold up five fingers, four , three , two, one.. and then look out the window.
;D Do it
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: mabsoota on May 21, 2011, 04:24:10 PM
is this website on EST?
i can verify europe is still here.
 ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Maria on May 21, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
Yes, it is supposed to occur at 6 PM EDT and 3 PM PDT.

Count down.

I just hope there is not a rash of suicides if this event does not occur as scheduled by Camping.

Lord Jesus Christ, save us.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: orthonorm on May 21, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
I was saved as a kid, so I am good.

And I just want to say to everyone I leave behind, if it happens:

I hope all you unrighteous, idolatrous whoremongers straighten your crooked ways and soften your hardened hearts as you justly suffer under the all the torments the Anti-Christ and his False Prophet shall bring upon you.

And if I am here, I look forward to talking to at least one or two of you at coffee hour tomorrow, the ugly combo of seasonal and incense allergies permitting.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: HabteSelassie on May 21, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


It's sad that some folks can be swayed so easily.



Hey, this is America and the $100 MILLION spend on advertising can do that ;)

stay blessed,
habte selassie
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Maria on May 21, 2011, 05:06:50 PM
One hour left.

My neighbor finished mowing his lawn at 12 noon.

And a motorcyclist just roared up the street.

Wow. A bunch of cars just took off in my neighborhood. Must be a sale somewhere.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: John of the North on May 21, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
Yes, it is supposed to occur at 6 PM EDT and 3 PM PDT.

Count down.

I just hope there is not a rash of suicides if this event does not occur as scheduled by Camping.

Lord Jesus Christ, save us.

Actually, my understanding is it is supposed to occur at 6 pm in each time zone...apparently God works in time zones, which were only instituted with advent of railways in the 19th century.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 21, 2011, 05:45:56 PM
I for one think it's nice that God has kept up with the times.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 21, 2011, 06:06:59 PM
Still here.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Tallitot on May 21, 2011, 06:15:17 PM
ok here
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 21, 2011, 06:16:05 PM
6:15pm eastern time and nothing.  Practicing my sermon for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stashko on May 21, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Curious.... ;D
Has anybody checked to see if any friends ,or family that they can't locate, are still missing due to this prophesied event...Are there People Missing or un-accounted for around the world.....possibly Raptured away... ;D
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 21, 2011, 07:37:08 PM
I'm still here! What went wrong!?  >:(
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stashko on May 21, 2011, 07:59:02 PM
I'm still here! What went wrong!?  >:(

I guess,
That means, if where still all here ,we weren't Worthy and have to suffer Thur the tribulation.... :police:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: NightOwl on May 21, 2011, 08:16:24 PM
The whole thing is pretty sad. Oh, what will we do with American Evangelicals...   :-\ The unfortunate part is that many will probably become nonbelievers altogether.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Father H on May 21, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
This can be easily explained.  There are no such things as black helicopters.   It must be a fake. 

I just checked with the Jerusalem Post, and Israel is still there.  Can we relax now?  :-\

What about the pictures coming in? How do you explain those?

(http://www.icis.com/blogs/icis-chemicals-confidential/apocalypse%20now.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Father H on May 21, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
The whole thing is pretty sad. Oh, what will we do with American Evangelicals...   :-\ The unfortunate part is that many will probably become nonbelievers altogether.

Actually Harold Camping is a calvinist cult leader who teaches that anabaptist evangelicals are going straight to hell, along with even fellow calvinists who still "go to church."   If one attends a church in the last days, according to Camping, it is a sign that he or she is "unsaved." 
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: NightOwl on May 21, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
The whole thing is pretty sad. Oh, what will we do with American Evangelicals...   :-\ The unfortunate part is that many will probably become nonbelievers altogether.

Actually Harold Camping is a calvinist cult leader who teaches that anabaptist evangelicals are going straight to hell, along with even fellow calvinists who still "go to church."   If one attends a church in the last days, according to Camping, it is a sign that he or she is "unsaved." 
I guess I was using the term to loosely describe conservative Protestants, which probably isn't fair in itself. You're right of course.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 21, 2011, 09:49:51 PM
The whole thing is pretty sad. Oh, what will we do with American Evangelicals...   :-\ The unfortunate part is that many will probably become nonbelievers altogether.

That's how the Jehovah's Witnesses started.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 21, 2011, 10:08:14 PM
It's probably 6 pm Eastern Time.. I just realized that that I will be standing next to Met. Hilarion, Met. of Rocor at the alter at 6 pm. He is visiting today and tomorrow. So that is a little scary.

Dare me to look at my watch and hold up five fingers, four , three , two, one.. and then look out the window.
;D Do it


Ummmm.. He wasnt into small talk so I minded my manners.

Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: biro on May 21, 2011, 10:13:45 PM
I'm a little sleepy, but otherwise fine.   :angel:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Marc1152 on May 21, 2011, 10:17:41 PM
I'm a little sleepy, but otherwise fine.   :angel:


On a serious note, these jerks make Christianity look ridiculous. They have provided more grist for the mill for every smug secularist or Atheist.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Papist on May 21, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
How about:  "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" by R.E.M.?   ;)
I love that song.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Rufus on May 22, 2011, 12:03:23 AM
According to ABC, they've made quite a bit from donations...
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8139534
http://donations.familyradio.com
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stashko on May 22, 2011, 01:04:58 AM
Will there be law suites from some Paritioners that fell for it lock stock and barrel  ,
and got rid of all what they owned anticipating the great event to happen ....... :police:

Now that reality set in and some are left homless and pennyless...... :police:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Luke on May 22, 2011, 01:08:51 AM
Will there be law suites from some Paritioners that fell for it lock stock and barrel  ,
and got rid of all what they owned anticipating the great event to happen ....... :police:

Now that reality set in and some are left homless and pennyless...... :police:
That's a good question.  I've seen some strange law suites.  Didn't think about this, but it just may happen.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 22, 2011, 01:57:30 AM
I'm still here. ;D Oh, wait. Aren't we Orthodox "heretics" supposed to be left behind? :'(
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Andrew21091 on May 22, 2011, 01:57:57 AM
The whole thing is pretty sad. Oh, what will we do with American Evangelicals...   :-\ The unfortunate part is that many will probably become nonbelievers altogether.

That's how the Jehovah's Witnesses started.

As well as the Seventh Day Adventists.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 22, 2011, 02:05:01 AM
How about:  "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" by R.E.M.?   ;)
As you requested ;D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Saint Iaint on May 22, 2011, 04:41:43 AM
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Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: akimori makoto on May 22, 2011, 04:49:48 AM
I'm a little sleepy, but otherwise fine.   :angel:


On a serious note, these jerks make Christianity look ridiculous. They have provided more grist for the mill for every smug secularist or Atheist.

Which is precisely why, in a calculated move, this whole event was so heavily reported by the media.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: akimori makoto on May 22, 2011, 04:50:40 AM
PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Sounds Christian, right?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stanley123 on May 22, 2011, 04:57:48 AM
As we all know by now, a Protestant radio preacher has advised us all that the world will end this Saturday, May 21st. While I would hope that no faithful Orthodox Christian would put any stock in such heretical musings, I know from growing up as a priest's kid that many a pastor's phone is busy this week with worried parishioners seeking reassurance after being scared to death at work or at the grocery store by  someone convinced that they are about to be raptured and their poor Orthodox neighbor is doomed.

Here are two thoughtful and cogent articles to read to put your mind at rest.

The first is a post from my friend, Fr. Jonathan's blog, Second Terrace. He is an Orthodox priest and a former Protestant preacher. His insight is really on point:  Eschatological fruitcake Part One: the Depressing Sunday. http://janotec.typepad.com/terrace/2011/05/eschatological-fruitcake.html

And for a great, catholic , point by point refutation of Camping's musings, I suggest this from the National Catholic Register: Major Supernatural Event This Saturday! (Rapture Prediction Analyzed!) http://www.ncregister.com/blog/major-supernatural-event-this-saturday/ .(It's on point whether you are a Roman Catholic, or if you view the Orthodox Church as as being the catholic one.)

Please read these, sleep tight and spare your priest a tortured phone call. His kids will thank you for sure!

There were a few slight tremors, but as far as I can see, the world is still here. Perhaps Mr. Camping  needs to make a recalibration, or better still read Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: mabsoota on May 22, 2011, 09:15:03 AM
as far as i can see, there are 2 scholarly schools of thought.
1. in all jewish weddings, the son would answer (to any question about the wedding) 'i don't know, ask my father', like it was a cultural thing, special for weddings. so as the end of the world includes the wedding of the bride (church) to the Lamb (Jesus), He followed the jewish tradition.
2. Jesus, God the Son gave up some of His Divine knowledge in order to come to earth and be incarnate.

i wonder if maybe it is a bit of both, but certainly now He knows, but He won't tell us coz we'll just screw up.
it's better if we spend our whole lives getting ready, rather than find out it's going to be next year and just be complacent and spend all this year sinning.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Cymbyz on May 22, 2011, 09:40:10 AM
I think Jesus's statement that only the Father knows the time of the End has to do with the Father's being the Arche of the Holy Trinity; if so, that's a plus for the Orthodox side in the argument over the Filioque.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Asteriktos on May 22, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
On a serious note, these jerks make Christianity look ridiculous. They have provided more grist for the mill for every smug secularist or Atheist.

Not to mention every other thoughtful person, of whatever religious leaning. It'd be one thing if Camping and other modern day heretical nuts were the only ones, but people with names like St. Paul the Apostle and St. Maximos the Confessor (and literally millions of others) also thought that their times were the end of the world. They were obviously wrong. Makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Rufus on May 22, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?

There's actually a thread on this: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28594.0.html
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: biro on May 22, 2011, 01:40:47 PM
PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  ;)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Gkterra on May 22, 2011, 01:47:48 PM
PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  ;)

cable? aw cmon heaven don't need wires. free wifi and dishnetwork for everyone  :laugh:
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: stanley123 on May 22, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?

There's actually a thread on this: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28594.0.html
Thanks for this link. In reading through the posts on the thread, the answer appears to be more complicated than I thought.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: akimori makoto on May 22, 2011, 05:35:41 PM
PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  ;)

Yes, but there's a few too many American evangelicals for my taste.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Irish Melkite on May 22, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
I just cut the grass in the back-yard (most of it, have to go get gas), even tho it is only knee-deep (versus the usual hip deep). The neighbors on that side are pretty certain that this means the Rapture happened and they were among the Chosen. However, the neighbors on the front yard side are in despair - they feel Unchosen!
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Melodist on May 22, 2011, 11:01:47 PM
We had our annual ceremony where the sunday school teachers hand out certificates to the children at the end of the school year. Before presenting the certificates, the woman who runs the sunday school program mentioned that all the families weren't there this morning because of schedule conflicts or something. For some reason, having people "not here" after yesterday made me think of this.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 23, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
I'm still here. ;D Oh, wait. Aren't we Orthodox "heretics" supposed to be left behind? :'(

As I look around the neighborhood, there are a lot of unmowed lawns.....

Wait.  Never mind, they were just foreclosed, not raptured....
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 24, 2011, 09:27:20 AM
The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press 

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001)
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: podkarpatska on May 24, 2011, 09:47:11 AM
The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press  

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001)


So this explains it all.....  "But Camping said that he's now realized the apocalypse will come five months after May 21, the original date he predicted. He had earlier said Oct. 21 was when the globe would be consumed by a fireball.
Saturday was "an invisible judgment day" in which a spiritual judgment took place, he said. But the timing and the structure is the same as it has always been, he said."

That part must be in the invisible ink section of his Sola Bible. Yuck. To borrow and rephrase a saying from  Forrest Gump, "Heretics are as heretics do."

In my opinion, we waste a lot of time quibbling with schismatics around here and very little time condemning the true heretics and distorters of the faith. People like Camping and LaHaye create the mass culture's popular distortion and mocking of Christian Faith and they do much to diminish all of the rest of us as they con the gullible out of house and home. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36362.0.html

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: vamrat on May 24, 2011, 10:39:28 AM
The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press 

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001)


The End of Days is Coming!  Starting agaaaiiinn....NOW!
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 24, 2011, 11:08:21 AM
The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press  

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001)


So this explains it all.....  "But Camping said that he's now realized the apocalypse will come five months after May 21, the original date he predicted. He had earlier said Oct. 21 was when the globe would be consumed by a fireball.
Saturday was "an invisible judgment day" in which a spiritual judgment took place, he said. But the timing and the structure is the same as it has always been, he said."

That part must be in the invisible ink section of his Sola Bible. Yuck. To borrow and rephrase a saying from  Forrest Gump, "Heretics are as heretics do."

In my opinion, we waste a lot of time quibbling with schismatics around here and very little time condemning the true heretics and distorters of the faith. People like Camping and LaHaye create the mass culture's popular distortion and mocking of Christian Faith and they do much to diminish all of the rest of us as they con the gullible out of house and home. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36362.0.html

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.

I mentioned it, in my sermon, as a false prophecy.  Several people came up to me during the coffee hour and we had a good discussion about rapture and the end times in the Orthodox Tradition.  I told them the only end of the world we need to be concerned about is yours' when we die.
Title: Re: Don't worry about Harold Camping and May 21st
Post by: IsmiLiora on May 24, 2011, 11:58:17 AM

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.
My priest talked about it in his sermon (and I was saying "whoo-hoo!" in my head).

Sadly enough, I talked to my mother in law, who actually believes in the rapture, but didn't think that it would happen. She said, "I can only hope that talking about this will bring people to Christianity."

 :-\ Uh.......I was flabbergasted. I had NO idea what to say to that.