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Title: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: mike on April 28, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lh4lZR5ysMg/TbmW9tlU2nI/AAAAAAAAa7I/oGQv3WtvGUU/s400/met_jonah_pascha.jpg)
For Bright Week only, Paschal period, all the time since now?
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Robb on April 28, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
Why do the Romanians have their Patriarch wear all white?  Is this solely a Romanian thing?
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: mike on April 28, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
I have never heard of another one Bishop but the Romanian Patriarch (and, as we can see, Metropolitan Jonah) that wears white ryasa.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: LakaYaRabb on April 28, 2011, 07:11:20 PM
 ???
I actually do not know why more don't white (or even other colors). I know that some priests, bishops and abbots wear white.
Here is a picture of His Eminence the Most Reverend Metropolitan Leonty in white http://orthodoxwiki.org/Leonty_(Turkevich)_of_New_York (http://orthodoxwiki.org/Leonty_(Turkevich)_of_New_York)
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: stashko on April 29, 2011, 03:50:57 AM
White Gets Dirty Easy and it shows and sticks out  ,maybe that's the reason many don't wear white.... ;D
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: 88Devin12 on April 29, 2011, 03:56:47 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: augustin717 on April 29, 2011, 04:13:53 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.
Supposed?!? ::)
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: 88Devin12 on April 29, 2011, 06:29:09 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.
Supposed?!? ::)

Not all Priests have white vestments... ;)
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: mike on April 29, 2011, 11:57:46 AM
I know no one that has a white cassock.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Pravoslavbob on April 29, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.

Yes, but it is not liturgical vestments that are under discussion here, but rather clerical street garb, specifically Metropolitan Jonah`s.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: podkarpatska on April 29, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
I know no one that has a white cassock.

One of the Ukrainian Orthodox priests here in the past used to wear one. It did get dirty fast...
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: pensateomnia on April 29, 2011, 01:10:26 PM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.

Yes, but it is not liturgical vestments that are under discussion here, but rather clerical street garb, specifically Metropolitan Jonah`s.

Light-colored, especially white, exorasa fell out of general use about 200 years ago. I've read, although not seen it confirmed, that the Turks used to force Orthodox priests to wear white instead of black. That way the Muslim clerics would look crisp in their black robes and the Christians would look dirty.

Anyway, the Slavs adopted the practice of wearing white, and, true to form, the Russians in particular turned it into a very stratified system that corresponded to the clerical caste structure. You could tell a clergyman's rank and office by the color and marking on his podriasnik and riassa. Different color combinations, including different types of lining on each, meant different things.

This produced the famous distinction between "black" (i.e. monastic) and "white" (i.e. parish) clergy, which persisted in the Russian tradition until fairly recently, and included other distinctive markers (e.g. "white" clergy wore goatees, not beards). Fr Schmemann used to wear a white cassock and, in general, comported himself like a white clergyman should according to the pre-Revolutionary standards.

Metropolitan Jonah's riassa, however, looks to be of very inferior quality. Not at all as dignified as those worn by the Patriarch of Romania.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: 88Devin12 on April 29, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
I didn't realize it was a riassa/cassock, I figured it was just Liturgical vestments (I didn't look at the photo that closely).

Still, maybe he has decided to do so just until Pentecost?

I have also seen grey Riassas...
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: pensateomnia on April 29, 2011, 01:57:24 PM

I have also seen grey Riassas...

I've seen tan ones in the Middle East and in Africa. In Greece, especially various islands, it is not uncommon to wear blue. And, yes, gray pops up here and there.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: podkarpatska on April 30, 2011, 09:53:03 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.

Yes, but it is not liturgical vestments that are under discussion here, but rather clerical street garb, specifically Metropolitan Jonah`s.

Light-colored, especially white, exorasa fell out of general use about 200 years ago. I've read, although not seen it confirmed, that the Turks used to force Orthodox priests to wear white instead of black. That way the Muslim clerics would look crisp in their black robes and the Christians would look dirty.

Anyway, the Slavs adopted the practice of wearing white, and, true to form, the Russians in particular turned it into a very stratified system that corresponded to the clerical caste structure. You could tell a clergyman's rank and office by the color and marking on his podriasnik and riassa. Different color combinations, including different types of lining on each, meant different things.

This produced the famous distinction between "black" (i.e. monastic) and "white" (i.e. parish) clergy, which persisted in the Russian tradition until fairly recently, and included other distinctive markers (e.g. "white" clergy wore goatees, not beards). Fr Schmemann used to wear a white cassock and, in general, comported himself like a white clergyman should according to the pre-Revolutionary standards.

Metropolitan Jonah's riassa, however, looks to be of very inferior quality. Not at all as dignified as those worn by the Patriarch of Romania.

I wonder if the Russians of 200 years or so ago were impressed by the use of colors for clerical ranking in the Roman Church?
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: podkarpatska on April 30, 2011, 09:53:40 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.
Supposed?!? ::)

I don't think so.......
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: mildert on May 10, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
I have never heard of another one Bishop but the Romanian Patriarch (and, as we can see, Metropolitan Jonah) that wears white ryasa.

I believe that before the revolution, ryassas used to be in different colours, however since then they almost always (with this exception) black.  Podrazniks (the under cassock) are still commonly available in other colours.

In XC,

Deacon Philip
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: bogdan on May 10, 2011, 10:54:27 AM
I know a priest who wears a white cassock on Pascha (and only on Pascha). It's rather striking in combination with the white vestments.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Monk Vasyl on May 10, 2011, 11:25:11 AM
Fr. Danylevich, the son of the founding priest of our parish (St. Andrew UOCofUSA), can be seen in this photo wearing white with a mother of pearl cross:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Marc1152 on May 10, 2011, 11:29:07 AM
Every Priest (and Bishop) is supposed to switch to white from Pascha until Pentecost. Officially the vestment change is made on Holy Saturday morning. After Pentecost it goes back to normal.

At my Church we are all in White now, Priest, Deacon. Readers and alter servers. We changed mid service on Holy Saturday.. It was pretty cool. The White Vestments are very beautiful IMHO
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Orual on May 10, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
For Bright Week only, Paschal period, all the time since now?

Sometimes clergy have a white cassock, and possibly a white riassa too, for Bright Week.  Some wear it until Ascension or Pentecost.  I know Fr. Alexander Schmemann was fond of wearing a white cassock at other times of the year, too.

I like the picture.  Metropolitan Jonah looks very nice.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Chtets Ioann on May 11, 2011, 12:08:55 AM
Fr. Danylevich, the son of the founding priest of our parish (St. Andrew UOCofUSA), can be seen in this photo wearing white with a mother of pearl cross:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater)

The Cross he's wearing... those are the gift Crosses the Patriarch of Jerusalem gives to visiting Orthodox clergy.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: arimethea on May 11, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Fr. Danylevich, the son of the founding priest of our parish (St. Andrew UOCofUSA), can be seen in this photo wearing white with a mother of pearl cross:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199334943438483&set=a.199334003438577.46566.105632889475356&type=1&theater)

The Cross he's wearing... those are the gift Crosses the Patriarch of Jerusalem gives to visiting Orthodox clergy.

You can also buy them for about $10 USD in any of the Christian stores in Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: Nigula Qian Zishi on May 11, 2011, 04:20:01 AM
Many Ukrainian and Russian Orthodox clergy wear white cassocks during bright week and the Sundays of the Paschal season.
Title: Re: Romanian outfit of Metropolitan Jonah
Post by: PrincessMommy on May 11, 2011, 06:31:50 AM
I know no one that has a white cassock.

I know a priest who does.  It looks quite nice during the Paschal season.