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Title: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 09, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
Ever since my Dad remarried he has joined his new wife (neither are Orthodox) in a practice called Splankna. It is 'mind body spirit' healing done in Christ's name. After loads of research this appears to simply be Reiki and other Qi, eastern practices done in Christ's name. I am very afraid for him and the demonic activity he could be opening himself up to by this 'balancing of energy' and releasing the 'energy of spirits' he does.

I want to talk to him about the research I've done and offer some other viewpoints outside his wife. I don't want to be judgmental or seeming to focus on what he's doing wrong though; I simply want to voice my concern.

Please pray that God will 1. direct me to speak with him or not and 2. if so to give me the right words to say 3. that my father will not/has not fallen into delusion. He has not taken to my Orthodoxy very well so I hate to push him further away.

Thank you for your prayers. Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: Maria on March 09, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
Please talk with your priest, perhaps several priests.

I know a Greek Orthodox Priest who is against the use of all herbs and alternative medicine ever since the day when he had to exorcise a cancer patient for consulting an herb specialist who dealt with tarot cards, etc. HOWEVER, it was the use of tarot cards and palm readings which were wrong, not the use of simple herbs, like chamomile, which is used in Europe and in Russia to calm the stomach.

We must be balanced. Some eastern practices of medicine, such as acupuncture and herbal remedies are valid.
The recent study of acupuncture to help relieve female menopausal and postmenopausal flashes validated the use of acupuncture. As you might know, acupuncture involves the meridian and energy lines of the body.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: SolEX01 on March 09, 2011, 09:45:23 PM
Lord have Mercy.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: LizaSymonenko on March 09, 2011, 10:22:40 PM

Lord, have mercy!
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: Maria on March 09, 2011, 10:42:07 PM
Lord have mercy.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: quietmorning on March 09, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Lord have mercy
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 09, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
Please talk with your priest, perhaps several priests.

I know a Greek Orthodox Priest who is against the use of all herbs and alternative medicine ever since the day when he had to exorcise a cancer patient for consulting an herb specialist who dealt with tarot cards, etc. HOWEVER, it was the use of tarot cards and palm readings which were wrong, not the use of simple herbs, like chamomile, which is used in Europe and in Russia to calm the stomach.

We must be balanced. Some eastern practices of medicine, such as acupuncture and herbal remedies are valid.
The recent study of acupuncture to help relieve female menopausal and postmenopausal flashes validated the use of acupuncture. As you might know, acupuncture involves the meridian and energy lines of the body.

Good post!
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: Ortho_cat on March 09, 2011, 11:06:30 PM
Lord, have mercy.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 09, 2011, 11:07:37 PM
I'm not inclined to think that all sorts of "energy work" that you might be referring to is demonic in nature. When it gets actually dangerous, IMO, is when "spirits" begin to be invoked in a pagan manner.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 09, 2011, 11:11:53 PM
I'm not inclined to think that all sorts of "energy work" that you might be referring to is demonic in nature. When it gets actually dangerous, IMO, is when "spirits" begin to be invoked in a pagan manner.
I've done much research on meridian lines but I'm not convinced they are anything other than remnants of older Chinese religions like Taoism, as are many other people in the field. May main concern is the resemblance to Reiki though, where you can reach a state where 'companion spirits' enter your body to calm you and help you. One lady says she has 35 'guardian angels' inside her that she talks to and they answer back. And results, ie feeling better, to me is not substantive or objective evidence enough to say they are valid. For all we know it is a demon making us feel better to delude us. I think there are plenty of biblical, Christian ways to deal with suffering and emotional health and we need not find other religious practices to tack Christ's name onto.

Thank you very much for your prayers, I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 09, 2011, 11:24:29 PM
May main concern is the resemblance to Reiki though, where you can reach a state where 'companion spirits' enter your body to calm you and help you. One lady says she has 35 'guardian angels' inside her that she talks to and they answer back.

Yes, like I said, invocation of spirits is where it gets actually dangerous.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 09, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
Is your dad getting into this sort of invocation of spirits?
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 10, 2011, 12:28:09 AM
Is your dad getting into this sort of invocation of spirits?

Its hard to say. He says he has energies or spirits in him from his life and that by pushing certain meridian points he 'relives' traumatic experiences and this frees that energy/spirit. And thats how you get over emotional trauma and balance your system. Like one week he'll say oh I was feeling kind of down and stuff and realized (with the help of the counselor that does this) that it was due to this past memory that needs clearing.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 10, 2011, 12:47:18 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 10, 2011, 01:06:47 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?

Well the thing is they are all Protestants and claim to be working in the name of Jesus; I know his counselor is a Protestant too. They say Jesus 'directs' the sessions because they do some prayers before they start.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 10, 2011, 01:23:59 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?

Well the thing is they are all Protestants and claim to be working in the name of Jesus; I know his counselor is a Protestant too. They say Jesus 'directs' the sessions because they do some prayers before they start.

Then do they recognize these spirits to be demons?
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: sainthieu on March 10, 2011, 01:28:30 AM
Oh, that's just good, old-fashioned BS. It's a con job--Christ as a marketing gimmick to sell New Age services.

I don't know how effective you're going to be since this seems to be coming from her. She's his new wife, and he's motivated to please her. He'll go along with any foolishness she suggests. Love, as they say, is blind.

Just say your piece and have done with it, if you must. I doubt there's much, other than this, that you can do. It has nothing whatever to do with Christianity. It's less demonic than designed to separate him from his hard-earned dollar.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 10, 2011, 01:30:38 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?

Well the thing is they are all Protestants and claim to be working in the name of Jesus; I know his counselor is a Protestant too. They say Jesus 'directs' the sessions because they do some prayers before they start.

Then do they recognize these spirits to be demons?

They recognize them to be bad, but demons I'm not sure. They tip-toe, IMO, around whether it is demons/spirits or just 'energy' that needs clearing. I'm not exactly sure on the whole process. His wife is not very open to talking about it because she knows I'm skeptical and my dad always plays the aloof card. It's hard to have a real conversation with my dad without him making it a joke or him feeling attacked.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: deusveritasest on March 10, 2011, 01:49:40 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?

Well the thing is they are all Protestants and claim to be working in the name of Jesus; I know his counselor is a Protestant too. They say Jesus 'directs' the sessions because they do some prayers before they start.

Then do they recognize these spirits to be demons?

They recognize them to be bad, but demons I'm not sure. They tip-toe, IMO, around whether it is demons/spirits or just 'energy' that needs clearing. I'm not exactly sure on the whole process. His wife is not very open to talking about it because she knows I'm skeptical and my dad always plays the aloof card. It's hard to have a real conversation with my dad without him making it a joke or him feeling attacked.

Well if you can't have a real conversation with him and he is just being kooky about it, then what would be the point in confronting him?
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: CBGardner on March 10, 2011, 01:55:51 AM
That sounds kind of like Scientology to me. Do you know if his therapist is a Scientologist?

Well the thing is they are all Protestants and claim to be working in the name of Jesus; I know his counselor is a Protestant too. They say Jesus 'directs' the sessions because they do some prayers before they start.

Then do they recognize these spirits to be demons?

They recognize them to be bad, but demons I'm not sure. They tip-toe, IMO, around whether it is demons/spirits or just 'energy' that needs clearing. I'm not exactly sure on the whole process. His wife is not very open to talking about it because she knows I'm skeptical and my dad always plays the aloof card. It's hard to have a real conversation with my dad without him making it a joke or him feeling attacked.

Well if you can't have a real conversation with him and he is just being kooky about it, then what would be the point in confronting him?

I'd like to plant that seed. He may not respond in discourse but I'm sure he'll contemplate what was said on his own. I suppose it is more that I want a clear conscience that I spoke truth where I felt it was needed rather than shying away. I, however, don't believe I have the knowledge or discernment to know when this 'truth' is needed or is if it is even 'truth'. That is why I ask for your prayers and for God's guidance.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: Maria on March 10, 2011, 01:58:59 AM
O Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy.
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: Phoenix73 on March 10, 2011, 08:34:02 AM
Lord Have Mercy
Title: Re: Prayer for confronting my Dad
Post by: IsmiLiora on March 10, 2011, 08:59:46 AM
Ya salaam! (WOW! in Arabic)

Lord have mercy!

I've been there, with my fellow church goers randomly walking around and healing me in Christ's name! (Praise the Lord I never bought into that, even from the beginning) And the energy and all that...wow. I don't miss that.

Just keep praying for him. Maybe find a few Bible verses that would discredit that and respond with that every time he brings up the topic (although he'll probably pull out a few, taken out of context, to support his side  ::)).

Like you said, plant the seed but let it grow in there. Pray that God does the tending and watering and that he realizes how wrong it is.

Lord have mercy.