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Title: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Irish Hermit on August 03, 2010, 10:28:19 PM
A Colossal Monument
to Diabolic Disorientation


Guerra’s 90-Million-Dollar Eyesore Opens at Fatima

By John Vennari

http://www.cfnews.org/dia-monument.htm

Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Cymbyz on August 03, 2010, 11:10:43 PM
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww, but an apt expression of the barrenness of the Christian West.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: JLatimer on August 04, 2010, 12:19:03 AM
Oh my.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on August 04, 2010, 12:26:23 AM
Stopped in a SSPX shrine this last weekend in rural Kansas, and it blew the doors off this thing. I'd like to see more Roman Catholics getting mad about this stuff.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Mattheos on August 04, 2010, 02:23:24 AM
That's what happens when those void of spiritual enrichment attempt to enrich people spiritually. 
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Robert W on August 04, 2010, 03:09:18 AM
Ugly architecture is ugly.
This is not a purely Roman Catholic phenomena though, it seems like beautiful Churches have been banned worldwide since WWII.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: LBK on August 04, 2010, 03:26:55 AM
Ugly architecture is ugly.
This is not a purely Roman Catholic phenomena though, it seems like beautiful Churches have been banned worldwide since WWII.

Not quite. Here's one that was built between 1963-1970, based on traditional Novgorodian church architecture of the 11th to 14th centuries:

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/travel/tg/poi/77/240x240_775519ad9626dcabb41c7631c7a548c6.jpg

http://www.saintnicholasadelaide.org.au/uploads/3/0/7/9/3079852/5748353.jpg
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: ialmisry on August 04, 2010, 03:27:26 AM
LOL. Feeling as I do about Fatima, this doesn't cause me discomfort in the slightest.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Jason.Wike on August 04, 2010, 11:49:35 AM
Reminds me of the Scottish parliament building, it was supposed to be some kind of awesome modern thing but it just looks like some kind of giant Neanderthal-ant cave complex.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Cymbyz on August 04, 2010, 01:03:14 PM
Pardon me for harrumphing again, but that church has violations of the Golden Ratio throughout; it isn't beautiful mathematically, and it's way beyond human scale.  I daresay the reconstruction of Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow comes out looking angelic by comparison, even though that church, too, is very large.  As Dostoyevesky said, "Beauty will save the world." and add the corollary, "Ugliness will destroy the world."
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: elijahmaria on August 04, 2010, 01:18:19 PM
Pardon me for harrumphing again, but that church has violations of the Golden Ratio throughout; it isn't beautiful mathematically, and it's way beyond human scale.  I daresay the reconstruction of Christ the Savior Cathedral in Moscow comes out looking angelic by comparison, even though that church, too, is very large.  As Dostoyevesky said, "Beauty will save the world." and add the corollary, "Ugliness will destroy the world."

I am hoping and praying that it does not take 90 million dollars to tear it down eventually...
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Shanghaiski on August 04, 2010, 01:35:02 PM
I've seen much worse. I just hope that everyone there will have a good view of the liturgical dancing.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: observer on August 04, 2010, 02:16:36 PM
maximum security or bank vault?
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on August 04, 2010, 02:44:12 PM
We are building better looking fitness centers, for heaven's sake!
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: samkim on August 04, 2010, 03:33:29 PM
I can't believe it was designed by an Orthodox Christian.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Jason.Wike on August 04, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
I keep on looking back at this, didn't everyone learn decades ago this Brutalist/Rationalism-Fascist "architecture" is junk?
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Shanghaiski on August 04, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
I can't believe it was designed by an Orthodox Christian.

Was it? (If it was, I can think of better ways of architecturalizing Fatima and Roman Catholicism.)
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Fr. George on August 04, 2010, 05:04:22 PM
I can't believe it was designed by an Orthodox Christian.

IIRC, he was the designer/architect, but I'm sure he didn't provide the vision for the place.

Anyway - yes, I would consider it a poorly designed Church, and as an Orthodox Christian I see no reason to pay any more attention to it (or Fatima) than what it has taken to peruse this thread.  However, if God is praised there, then may He be magnified in it and the people who will pass through it.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Orual on August 04, 2010, 05:06:01 PM
I can't believe it was designed by an Orthodox Christian.

Was it? (If it was, I can think of better ways of architecturalizing Fatima and Roman Catholicism.)

It says so in the article:  "According to the August 30 Jornal de Notícias, Schad was selected because of 'his persistence' with Rector Guerra and the support of the basilica’s architect, the Greek Orthodox Alexandros Tombazis."

If I didn't know those pictures were real, I'd swear it was an artist's rendering of a 23rd century hospital to be used in the next Star Trek movie.  I thought the "crucifix" was a caduceus.  
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: deusveritasest on August 04, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
Good grief. The Cathedral of Christ the Light just having opened in Oakland in the past couple of years, it seems like "RC" architecture just keeps getting worse and worse.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: deusveritasest on August 04, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
Ugly architecture is ugly.
This is not a purely Roman Catholic phenomena though, it seems like beautiful Churches have been banned worldwide since WWII.

What do you think about the new cathedral of the Armenian Diocese of the Western United States that is about to be consecrated next month? It seems pretty traditional to me.
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Father H on August 04, 2010, 08:06:28 PM
Good grief. The Cathedral of Christ the Light just having opened in Oakland in the past couple of years, it seems like "RC" architecture just keeps getting worse and worse.

I believe there is a book out about this called "Ugly as Sin."  Don't recall the author
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: deusveritasest on August 04, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Good grief. The Cathedral of Christ the Light just having opened in Oakland in the past couple of years, it seems like "RC" architecture just keeps getting worse and worse.

I believe there is a book out about this called "Ugly as Sin."  Don't recall the author

Are you referring to this (http://www.amazon.com/Ugly-As-Sin-Churches-Forthright/dp/1928832369) book?
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Father H on August 04, 2010, 08:23:54 PM
Good grief. The Cathedral of Christ the Light just having opened in Oakland in the past couple of years, it seems like "RC" architecture just keeps getting worse and worse.

I believe there is a book out about this called "Ugly as Sin."  Don't recall the author

Are you referring to this (http://www.amazon.com/Ugly-As-Sin-Churches-Forthright/dp/1928832369) book?

Yes, that's the one!  Thank you for the link.  It is sad, but is reality.   
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: ComingHome on August 12, 2010, 05:57:57 PM
That is a truly hideous monstrosity.  Men on Churches say, "Hate it!"

But I think the face of "Christ"  from the Crucifix is even worse. :o
Title: Re: Mammoth and Meaningless: The new 'church' at Fatima
Post by: Iconodule on August 13, 2010, 10:32:13 AM
In a world where a bunch of dots on a canvas = "painting", and a bunch of meaningless sounds strung together = "poetry," this is what they call "architecture."