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Title: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on September 01, 2009, 11:28:16 PM
Dutch artist Han van Meegeren was so belittled by art critics, that he could not exhibit any longer. He decided to avenge. He painted several pictures and passed them as newly discovered works of 17th century Dutch artist Jan Vermeer van Delft. The pictures were soon recognized as masterpieces and sold for equivalent of millions of dollars in today's money. Art ctritics could not tell the artist they ridiculed from a known genius. And what about you? Can you tell Vermeer from Meegeren?

Take this quiz to find out: Vermeer or Meegeren? (http://reverent.org/vermeer_or_meegeren.html)

(http://reverent.org/Images/vermeer_meegeren/Thumbnails/tn_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: LBK on September 01, 2009, 11:39:15 PM
I'm no art historian, but the lush colors and smooth, almost airbrushed technique looks nothing like the delicately-balanced, subtle hand of Vermeer. This painting looks like something a high school student of reasonable ability would paint. You'll have to do better than that, Simkins.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: SolEX01 on September 01, 2009, 11:46:12 PM
Simkins, what's the point?  Are you teaching ART 101?   ???
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Tamara on September 01, 2009, 11:50:27 PM
I'm no art historian, but the lush colors and smooth, almost airbrushed technique looks nothing like the delicately-balanced, subtle hand of Vermeer. This painting looks like something a high school student of reasonable ability would paint. You'll have to do better than that, Simkins.

I agree. Vermeer's work had a luminance not evident in this painting. It also seems to lack the detail.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on September 01, 2009, 11:54:45 PM
I'm no art historian, but the lush colors and smooth, almost airbrushed technique looks nothing like the delicately-balanced, subtle hand of Vermeer. This painting looks like something a high school student of reasonable ability would paint. You'll have to do better than that, Simkins.
As is clear from the introduction, Meegeren's forgeries were good enough to do the job. And what was your score?
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on September 01, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
Are you teaching ART 101?   ???
Brainwashing 101.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: SolEX01 on September 02, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Are you teaching ART 101?   ???
Brainwashing 101.

The Academic Year just started; I can't give you an honest review until the end of the term.    :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on September 02, 2009, 12:17:45 AM
I scored 90% correct.  The only one I missed was the very last painting.  It seemed pretty obvious to me which ones were superior and which were inferior, and I know absolutely nothing about art.  If the story is true, then it is quite funny!
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on September 02, 2009, 12:28:02 AM

 And what about you? Can you tell Vermeer from Meegeren?


No, but I can tell an icon from a paint-by-numbers water color. :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: LBK on September 02, 2009, 03:47:15 AM
I'm no art historian, but the lush colors and smooth, almost airbrushed technique looks nothing like the delicately-balanced, subtle hand of Vermeer. This painting looks like something a high school student of reasonable ability would paint. You'll have to do better than that, Simkins.
As is clear from the introduction, Meegeren's forgeries were good enough to do the job. And what was your score?

My score? I saw the paintings on the link, but didn't bother doing the quiz. Anyone with a reasonable eye can spot the fakes from the real thing. The styles of painting are very different.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Quinault on September 02, 2009, 04:42:47 AM
I scored 100% on the "Pollock or Birds" quiz. I did pretty poorly on the Meegeren quiz though.

http://reverent.org/pollock_or_birds.html
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on September 02, 2009, 07:45:35 PM
I scored 90% correct.  The only one I missed was the very last painting.  It seemed pretty obvious to me which ones were superior and which were inferior, and I know absolutely nothing about art. 
The last one is the iconic Vermeer. Something like his visiting card.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on February 02, 2018, 06:20:17 PM
I scored 100% on the "Pollock or Birds" quiz. I did pretty poorly on the Meegeren quiz though.

http://reverent.org/pollock_or_birds.html
Most people get a 100% on Pollock or birds quiz. It is remarkable that there are those who make mistakes.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: William T on February 02, 2018, 06:39:01 PM
I scored 90% correct.  The only one I missed was the very last painting.  It seemed pretty obvious to me which ones were superior and which were inferior, and I know absolutely nothing about art.  If the story is true, then it is quite funny!

I thought the last painting was a "trick question", so I missed it as  well 9/10 because of that.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: biro on February 02, 2018, 06:47:43 PM
He wrote that in 2009.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 02, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
80%  I've never heard of either of those guys before, neither do I have an eye for art.   ;)
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: William T on February 02, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
He wrote that in 2009.

Not my fault.. passing the buck.   Simkins stole the cookie from the cookie jar
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: biro on February 02, 2018, 07:01:58 PM
He wrote that in 2009.

Not my fault.. passing the buck.   Simkins stole the cookie from the cookie jar

The what to the what?
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: William T on February 02, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
He wrote that in 2009.

Not my fault.. passing the buck.   Simkins stole the cookie from the cookie jar

The what to the what?

It was a passing the buck song I learned when I was 6, maybe it's a provincial thing
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: biro on February 02, 2018, 07:14:31 PM
He wrote that in 2009.

Not my fault.. passing the buck.   Simkins stole the cookie from the cookie jar

The what to the what?

It was a passing the buck song I learned when I was 6, maybe it's a provincial thing

It is.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Iconodule on February 02, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
I remember the cookie jar song. It seems to be referenced in pop culture often enough.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 02, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
I so sang that!  My kids wouldn't know it though; I didn't get the preschool teacher gene.  Poor kids. :-[
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 02, 2018, 10:45:17 PM
Growing up in the Western US in the 90s, I vaguely remember something like that song.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 03, 2018, 12:37:52 AM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 03, 2018, 12:52:11 AM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 03, 2018, 01:33:30 AM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 03, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.

Oh, yeah, no problem :)

And well, http://I think it's beautiful. (http://www.google.com/search?q=butte+montana&biw=1517&bih=735&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx3OqvtIrZAhVI0GMKHZa8DsAQ_AUICygC#imgrc=L3yM9ytntkc_qM:) Not everyone does, though.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 03, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.

Oh, yeah, no problem :)

And well, http://I think it's beautiful. (http://www.google.com/search?q=butte+montana&biw=1517&bih=735&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx3OqvtIrZAhVI0GMKHZa8DsAQ_AUICygC#imgrc=L3yM9ytntkc_qM:) Not everyone does, though.
It is!   That's a pretty amazing sight to have as a backdrop.  :D
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 04, 2018, 05:46:37 AM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.

Oh, yeah, no problem :)

And well, http://I think it's beautiful. (http://www.google.com/search?q=butte+montana&biw=1517&bih=735&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx3OqvtIrZAhVI0GMKHZa8DsAQ_AUICygC#imgrc=L3yM9ytntkc_qM:) Not everyone does, though.
It is!   That's a pretty amazing sight to have as a backdrop.  :D

Just too bad it's also home to one of the country's biggest Superfund sites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit) that kills geese that land on it lol. Though personally I've always thought even the Pit has a certain stark, severe beauty.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 04, 2018, 05:52:23 PM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.

Oh, yeah, no problem :)

And well, http://I think it's beautiful. (http://www.google.com/search?q=butte+montana&biw=1517&bih=735&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx3OqvtIrZAhVI0GMKHZa8DsAQ_AUICygC#imgrc=L3yM9ytntkc_qM:) Not everyone does, though.
It is!   That's a pretty amazing sight to have as a backdrop.  :D

Just too bad it's also home to one of the country's biggest Superfund sites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit) that kills geese that land on it lol. Though personally I've always thought even the Pit has a certain stark, severe beauty.
I'm like that with granite outcroppings we've happened upon here and there.  It's interesting to see the stuff that manages to live in those places.
Also, I hope their measures work!  Sounds like it's at a critical point.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 04, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Midwestern?  We had a lot of Midwestern transplants in my area, and we were some of them.  Hmm....

Rockies, actually.

Oh sorry!  That was pretty vague, wasn't it?  I meant the region of the song.  :laugh:  8)
Sounds beautiful, though; one of the few places I'd regret not visiting.  In a huge coat, though, maybe.  :D  One tends to get "thin blooded" down here.

Oh, yeah, no problem :)

And well, http://I think it's beautiful. (http://www.google.com/search?q=butte+montana&biw=1517&bih=735&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx3OqvtIrZAhVI0GMKHZa8DsAQ_AUICygC#imgrc=L3yM9ytntkc_qM:) Not everyone does, though.
It is!   That's a pretty amazing sight to have as a backdrop.  :D

Just too bad it's also home to one of the country's biggest Superfund sites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit) that kills geese that land on it lol. Though personally I've always thought even the Pit has a certain stark, severe beauty.
I'm like that with granite outcroppings we've happened upon here and there.  It's interesting to see the stuff that manages to live in those places.
Also, I hope their measures work!  Sounds like it's at a critical point.

2023 is the currently predicted point when it spills into the water table. I don't live in Butte anymore btw. On the upside, (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/berkeley-pit-geese/510089/) there may be some cures to be found in some of the bacteria that can live in the Pit.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Ainnir on February 05, 2018, 12:12:49 AM
2023 is the currently predicted point when it spills into the water table. I don't live in Butte anymore btw. On the upside, (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/berkeley-pit-geese/510089/) there may be some cures to be found in some of the bacteria that can live in the Pit.

That's a fascinating article; their dedication puts me to shame.  I hope they're able to develop something.   :)
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Volnutt on February 05, 2018, 01:11:08 AM
2023 is the currently predicted point when it spills into the water table. I don't live in Butte anymore btw. On the upside, (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/berkeley-pit-geese/510089/) there may be some cures to be found in some of the bacteria that can live in the Pit.

That's a fascinating article; their dedication puts me to shame.  I hope they're able to develop something.   :)

Me too.
Title: Re: Quiz: Masterpiece or forgery?
Post by: Simkins on February 06, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
80%  I've never heard of either of those guys before, neither do I have an eye for art.   ;)
Why the one who got 30% is silent?