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Title: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: deusveritasest on June 06, 2009, 05:31:45 PM
I was wondering which of the liturgical churches still use myrrh in their censing during the liturgy, rather than simply frankincense?
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: Salpy on June 06, 2009, 06:41:40 PM
I'm pretty sure it is used by at least someone.  I think I have seen myrrh incense advertised a few different places.  This is one place:

http://www.holylandnetwork.com/catalog/Holy_Biblical_Incense-64-1.html

Here is another:

http://orthodoxincense.com/holymountain.html
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: Bono Vox on June 06, 2009, 08:04:32 PM
Isn't it usually used at funerals? (How about Holy Friday?  ??? )
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: ialmisry on June 06, 2009, 08:08:27 PM
I don't know about censing, but it is used in chrism and unction, and the WRO imbed myrrh in the Paschal candle.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: deusveritasest on June 07, 2009, 01:51:28 AM
The thing is that I've noticed that every time I go to a Coptic service, the smoke from the incense smells noticeably distinct from any other Christian liturgical tradition. I was told that this was because the other traditions simply use frankincense whereas the Copts mingle frankincense and myrrh. This may or may not be true. Does anyone know why the incense used in Coptic churches would be noticeably different from that which is used in Byzantine, Roman, and Anglican churches (between which three the incense doesn't seem to vary so much)?
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: Salpy on June 07, 2009, 02:56:28 AM
Gold Musk incense from Cal Hellas, up in Cupertino, is very popular in Coptic churches here in California.  It's a bit expensive and it gives a lot of smoke, but the smell is beautiful.  That may be what you smelled.  My priest used it for a while, but the smoke was too much.  We sell it at our church bookstore, though.  It's very popular.  Cal Hellas used to have a website, but something happened to it.  Conciliar Press, though, carries some of their incense, including the gold musk:

http://www.conciliarpress.com/other-gifts/prayercorner/gold-musk-incense-1-ounce.html

You may want to get a little bit and see if that is what you smelled.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: deusveritasest on June 07, 2009, 12:34:32 PM
Cool. Thanks Salpy. I'll update once I've gotten around to trying it.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on June 07, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
I know in the EO, the incense we use changes week to week depending on the season/feast/priest's preferance.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: deusveritasest on June 07, 2009, 03:44:11 PM

I know in the EO, the incense we use changes week to week depending on the season/feast/priest's preferance.

Really? I thought it was almost always frankincense.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: arimethea on June 08, 2009, 09:26:07 AM
I am not endorsing, as a matter of fact I don't endorse this group and recommend you do not purchase anything from this un-canonical group. The following link I am providing is to HTM's page on incense which explains how it is made from frankincense.

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Our incense is compounded of fragrant oils and a base of pure ground frankincense. It is made by hand, cut into small pieces and cured for several months, after which time the incense is dry and ready for use. The scent is best released by placing the pieces alongside of (rather than on top of) a lighted charcoal.

http://www.thehtm.org/catalog/index.php?cPath=38&osCsid=275a3d92996455c7a6e26f9fa1302dbd

You will see that the incense is made from frankincense but that oils to give it unique fragrance.
Title: Re: Myrrh in liturgy
Post by: Salpy on June 08, 2009, 10:34:02 AM
I am not endorsing, as a matter of fact I don't endorse this group and recommend you do not purchase anything from this un-canonical group.

Goodness gracious, Arimethea.  I bet you don't eat oatmeal because it's sold by Quakers.   :D

There was a thread on buying things from HTM:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,19455.0.html#top