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Title: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: orthodoxlurker on April 22, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
To contribute to the inflation of "clever" proposal to "solve" jurisdictional "mess" on this forum, I offer this pool. Everyone has only 5 votes.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 22, 2009, 04:07:50 PM
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Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: FrChris on April 22, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
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Ditto.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Αριστοκλής on April 22, 2009, 04:47:03 PM
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Ditto.

Double ditto.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: monkvasyl on April 22, 2009, 05:14:29 PM
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Ditto.

Double ditto.

Oh, but he's soooo cute, the troll in the cartoon...tee hee
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: PeterTheAleut on April 22, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
Oh, but he's soooo cute, the troll in the cartoon...tee hee
Okay, then, how about THIS troll:

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Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: John of the North on April 22, 2009, 06:20:39 PM
Poor Eden Prairie, always getting picked on! :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Prairie
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: mike on April 22, 2009, 06:24:37 PM
Serbs aren't in EU yet. What do they want to disband European Parliament for?
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: PeterTheAleut on April 22, 2009, 06:27:18 PM
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Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Νεκτάριος on April 22, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
What baffles me in all of this is the conduct of those who ardently hate the current Ecumenical Patriarch.  

On the one hand you have posters such as Fr. Anastasios.  While I ultimately disagree with his conclusions, I respect the fact that he has clearly and coherently presented them without any hint of rancour.  And rather than pouting on an internet forum, he has actually done something positive with his beliefs - doing real missionary work for Orthodoxy in North America.

On the other hand, the unholy trinity of the Guru, the (Peace be upon him) and the Orthodoxvoyeur spew pages of wrath about the primus inter pares of their own Church.  I'm all for dissent and criticism.  There certainly have been failures of the EP and addressing those with the purpose of strengthening not only the Great Church of Christ, but all of the local Orthodox Churches ought to be our aim.  But I'm not really sure what the point has been in any of these rants.  I fail to see how the MP really offers a better solution to the problems at hand (it has its own captivity and political baggage).  Honestly though, it would be an interesting and possibly enlightening discussion, but I just don't see it happening here.  And more to the point for the unholy trinity - why are any of you still in communion with Constantinople ?        
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 22, 2009, 09:22:04 PM
Time for some regime change at the Phanar!
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: John of the North on April 22, 2009, 09:25:06 PM
Time for some regime change at the Phanar!
::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: ialmisry on April 22, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
What baffles me in all of this is the conduct of those who ardently hate the current Ecumenical Patriarch.  

On the one hand you have posters such as Fr. Anastasios.  While I ultimately disagree with his conclusions, I respect the fact that he has clearly and coherently presented them without any hint of rancour.  And rather than pouting on an internet forum, he has actually done something positive with his beliefs - doing real missionary work for Orthodoxy in North America.

On the other hand, the unholy trinity of the Guru, the (Peace be upon him) and the Orthodoxvoyeur spew pages of wrath about the primus inter pares of their own Church.  I'm all for dissent and criticism.  There certainly have been failures of the EP and addressing those with the purpose of strengthening not only the Great Church of Christ, but all of the local Orthodox Churches ought to be our aim.  But I'm not really sure what the point has been in any of these rants.  I fail to see how the MP really offers a better solution to the problems at hand (it has its own captivity and political baggage).  Honestly though, it would be an interesting and possibly enlightening discussion, but I just don't see it happening here.  And more to the point for the unholy trinity - why are any of you still in communion with Constantinople ?        

Christ is Risen!

He is still in the diptychs, and hasn't officially done anything, yet, to get struck, again, from them.

Maybe Ozgeorge can help with that paranoia and persecution complex. Then again, maybe not.


Weder nach Canossa noch Phanar gehen wir nicht.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 22, 2009, 09:59:32 PM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: ozgeorge on April 22, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

LOL! :D
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: ialmisry on April 22, 2009, 10:04:27 PM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

Christ is risen!

Yes, like the Greek Orthodox in America.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 22, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
Or Roman Catholics in America.  God knows there not really American.

They don't even have America in the name of their church.  It's really un American.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: ialmisry on April 22, 2009, 10:40:45 PM
Or Roman Catholics in America.  God knows there not really American.

They don't even have America in the name of their church.  It's really un American.

Don't know about, or care about, that.  But it is Ultramontanist.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: John of the North on April 22, 2009, 10:47:30 PM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 22, 2009, 11:11:17 PM
Or Roman Catholics in America.  God knows there not really American.

They don't even have America in the name of their church.  It's really un American.

Don't know about, or care about, that.  But it is Ultramontanist.

Good point, they would be truly American if Gallican.

What we do know is they're not American, Americans.  Despite our otherwise limited knowledge of them.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 22, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
Poor Eden Prairie, always getting picked on! :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Prairie

I never knew CH Robinson Worldwide was headquartered there.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 22, 2009, 11:19:30 PM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*

Calm down, eh.  They're not coming for your moose.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: ialmisry on April 22, 2009, 11:21:17 PM
Or Roman Catholics in America.  God knows there not really American.

They don't even have America in the name of their church.  It's really un American.

Don't know about, or care about, that.  But it is Ultramontanist.

Good point, they would be truly American if Gallican.

What we do know is they're not American, Americans.  Despite our otherwise limited knowledge of them.

Personally, I would have preferred that the Gallican kept my neck of the woods here. Or perhaps I should say, our acre of snow.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 22, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
No idea what that means, but if it means American Orthodox and Orthodox American Canadians are free from the clutches of foreign despots, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: John of the North on April 23, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*

Calm down, eh.  They're not coming for your moose.

*reaches for pet beaver*
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: GiC on April 23, 2009, 12:37:02 AM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*

Calm down, eh.  They're not coming for your moose.

*reaches for pet beaver*

LMAO
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 23, 2009, 12:44:54 AM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*

Calm down, eh.  They're not coming for your moose.

*reaches for pet beaver*

LOL.  Really.  Almost crying. 
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: John of the North on April 23, 2009, 12:51:01 AM
It's an issue all American Orthodox should be concerned with.  Especially the American Orthodox in Canada.

*reaches for weapon*

Calm down, eh.  They're not coming for your moose.

*reaches for pet beaver*

LOL.  Really.  Almost crying. 

Be afraid. Be very afraid!
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: AMM on April 23, 2009, 08:56:15 AM
The only rational thing to do here is boo each others national anthems before a hockey game.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: rwprof on April 23, 2009, 01:22:34 PM
The only rational thing to do here is boo each others national anthems before a hockey game.

And what is it about these awful singers at hockey games? Sheesh, I know the Star Spangled Banner is hard to sing, but you'd think they could find somebody -- and the commenters on TV always seem to think these guys that can't hit the notes are great.

Go Penguins!


Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 23, 2009, 01:39:59 PM
The only rational thing to do here is boo each others national anthems before a hockey game.

IS OUTRAGE!  Did they have hockey national anthems in 17th Century Constantinople?
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Orthodox11 on April 23, 2009, 01:53:16 PM
The only rational thing to do here is boo each others national anthems before a hockey game.

IS OUTRAGE!  Did they have hockey national anthems in 17th Century Constantinople?

I was always under the impression that we had 8 Tones because of the best-of-7 games in the playoffs, with the 8th being for when the Emperor attended the game.
Title: Re: How to solve jurisdictional problems in Orthodoxy
Post by: Fr. George on April 23, 2009, 02:10:51 PM
The only rational thing to do here is boo each others national anthems before a hockey game.

IS OUTRAGE!  Did they have hockey national anthems in 17th Century Constantinople?

I was always under the impression that we had 8 Tones because of the best-of-7 games in the playoffs, with the 8th being for when the Emperor attended the game.

Now that seems plausible... and awfully thoughtful!