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Title: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Irish Hermit on March 10, 2009, 08:24:02 AM
It would be interesting to know if Antiochian priests and parishes are ceasing to commemorate their local Hierarchs.   I can imagine, given the love and loyalty which must have developed over the years, that obeying the Directive of non-commemoration could be a difficult thing to do.

My own poor prayers, and I am sure the prayers of others, are supporting the Antiochian faithful at this stressful time.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: recent convert on March 10, 2009, 10:02:45 AM
Bishop Thomas was visiting on Orthodoxy Sunday so I will have to see if he will be commemorated on  St. Gregory Palamas Sunday. The bishops in the Feb 24th synod were commemorated also.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Andrew21091 on March 10, 2009, 02:07:10 PM
No we didn't. The deacon almost said the bishop's name but caught himself. We did however commemorate his name during the Compline services we had through last week but we didn't during Vespers and Liturgy on Sunday. It is really sad that we can't commemorate Bishop MARK anymore.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: scamandrius on March 10, 2009, 02:10:45 PM
No more mentions of Bishop BASIL.  A lot of people noticed that during Compline last night and asked about it.  They are equally outraged by what is going on.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: admiralnick on March 10, 2009, 05:22:09 PM
Bishop Mark was indeed mentioned.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Quinault on March 10, 2009, 05:53:26 PM
"Among the first be mindful of our Father Metropolitan PHILLIP and our Father Bishop Joseph....."  Was said during liturgy as normal.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: ialmisry on March 10, 2009, 06:29:32 PM
I voted, but won't say how at the moment.  One of our priests (we have an Arab and a convert), is rather well known.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Quinault on March 12, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
I imagine the change for our parish will take a bit of time, maybe next week they will do the switch. We just had to do a complete a liturgy overhaul. We sang sections that we were instructed to no longer sing and we had to change the language to an older phrasing. They took a couple months to completely change over. Our priest announced the decision after Liturgy Sunday. But since I have a loud busy son, I didn't hear what he said since I had to take that son out of the nave.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Elisha on March 12, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
Really?  You completely changed your music?  Not just the commemoration.  That sounds rather extreme.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Quinault on March 12, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
This change was ennacted months ago. Apparently we were being "more OCA like" by singing the creed and having more modern english. So we were instructed to change. I miss singing the creed. It helped me remember it. :(
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Elisha on March 12, 2009, 04:28:04 PM
This change was ennacted months ago. Apparently we were being "more OCA like" by singing the creed and having more modern english. So we were instructed to change. I miss singing the creed. It helped me remember it. :(
Gotcha.  thanks.  Well, my OCA parish probably uses "less modern" English than the majority - especially if you compare with parishes back east. 
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: EofK on March 12, 2009, 04:32:49 PM
This change was ennacted months ago. Apparently we were being "more OCA like" by singing the creed and having more modern english. So we were instructed to change. I miss singing the creed. It helped me remember it. :(

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I can remember the creed word for word when I sing it, but just saying it I don't have the spacing and cadences to help me remember what comes next.  It seems strange that the Antiochian church would be concerned about being too much like the OCA.  Why would it make any difference?  We're in communion with each other, so it's not like either way is technically wrong.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Quinault on March 12, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
I think the change was made so that all Antiochian liturgies are the same as a whole. So it was for consistency more than anything.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: rwprof on March 13, 2009, 05:30:01 AM
This change was ennacted months ago. Apparently we were being "more OCA like" by singing the creed and having more modern english. So we were instructed to change. I miss singing the creed. It helped me remember it. :(
Gotcha.  thanks.  Well, my OCA parish probably uses "less modern" English than the majority - especially if you compare with parishes back east. 

Having gone from Antiochian to OCA, the latter use a beautiful translation, but it is, indeed, more "modern" English than the Antiochian translation. It isn't usually radically different, just enough to trip you up. The worst, however, is the Prayer before Communion. I still fall into the Antiochian prayer, and get completely lost toward the end, when it is very different. My priest says the Antiochians initially took the text from the Anglicans when the translation existed, which accounts for the "antiquated" English. The Antiochian translations are beautiful English, reminiscent of KJV English, whereas the OCA translations are more RSV English.



Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: rwprof on March 13, 2009, 05:33:40 AM
Antiochian:
Not unto judgment nor unto condemnation be my partaking of Thy Holy Mysteries, O Lord, but unto the healing of soul and body.

OCA:
May the communion of Thy Holy Mysteries be neither to my judgment, nor to my condemnation, O Lord, but to the healing of soul and body.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: recent convert on March 13, 2009, 06:59:52 AM
Bishop Thomas was not commemorated during the Presanctified Liturgy of Wednesday March 11th.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: serb1389 on March 13, 2009, 08:00:16 AM
If I may also ask who WAS commemorated, that would be great (if any of you could provide that information)! 
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: recent convert on March 13, 2009, 09:29:06 AM
Metropolitan Philip.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Lily on March 13, 2009, 11:14:18 AM
I forgot to set my clock forward for Daylight Savings.   :-\  I was an hour late.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: Didymus on May 03, 2009, 12:15:57 PM
I forgot to set my clock forward for Daylight Savings.   :-\  I was an hour late.

Yet another reason why us Queenslanders are happily free of clock hiccups 8)

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On the main topic, forgive me for being poorly informed please but why aren't the Antiochians commemorating their bishops?
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: mike on May 03, 2009, 01:16:23 PM
On the main topic, forgive me for being poorly informed please but why aren't the Antiochians commemorating their bishops?
There is a huge topic on the forum about the issue: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,19965.0.html

In a few sentences:
Holy Synod of Antiochan Church made all diocesan Bishops no longer diocesan Bishops but only Metropolitan's vicars and Auxiliary (is spelling correct?) Bishops. They do not longer head their former Dioceses.

They can be commemorated during the DL only when they are present.
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: ialmisry on May 05, 2009, 01:01:02 PM
I forgot to set my clock forward for Daylight Savings.   :-\  I was an hour late.

Yet another reason why us Queenslanders are happily free of clock hiccups 8)

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On the main topic, forgive me for being poorly informed please but why aren't the Antiochians commemorating their bishops?

Funny I should see this today.  This Sunday we had a chorbishop from India visiting.  He mentioned that chorbishops used to have authority, but now they are just under the metropolitan.  We all laughed and said, "we know how that goes."
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: serb1389 on May 05, 2009, 04:02:11 PM
I forgot to set my clock forward for Daylight Savings.   :-\  I was an hour late.

Yet another reason why us Queenslanders are happily free of clock hiccups 8)

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On the main topic, forgive me for being poorly informed please but why aren't the Antiochians commemorating their bishops?

Funny I should see this today.  This Sunday we had a chorbishop from India visiting.  He mentioned that chorbishops used to have authority, but now they are just under the metropolitan.  We all laughed and said, "we know how that goes."

who did he commemorate? 
Title: Re: Poll for Antiochian Members re Commemoration
Post by: ialmisry on May 05, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
I forgot to set my clock forward for Daylight Savings.   :-\  I was an hour late.

Yet another reason why us Queenslanders are happily free of clock hiccups 8)

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On the main topic, forgive me for being poorly informed please but why aren't the Antiochians commemorating their bishops?

Funny I should see this today.  This Sunday we had a chorbishop from India visiting.  He mentioned that chorbishops used to have authority, but now they are just under the metropolitan.  We all laughed and said, "we know how that goes."

who did he commemorate? 

Who?  The chorbishop or the priest?

The chorbishop didn't concelebrate, so nobody.

The priest commemorated Met. Philip, and then among "our brethren in Christ, our bishop Mark."