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Title: Theopaschism
Post by: JAWS_Thomas on November 21, 2008, 12:17:53 AM
I was paging through a book of terms at our church bookstore today and came across the term theopaschism. Unfortunately I could not find a good coherent definition of it or the history of it. Could someone help me?
Title: Re: Theopaschism
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 21, 2008, 12:34:06 AM
I think this is the belief that God can suffer.  IIRC, this was one of the major objections Nestorians voiced against our belief in the perfect union of God and Man in the one hypostasis of Jesus Christ.  Nestorius denied such perfect union, in part because he could not see any way that an impassible God could actually suffer on the Cross.
Title: Re: Theopaschism
Post by: holdencaulfield on November 21, 2008, 01:36:58 PM
It has many different possibilities though from this. Theopaschism can be Orthodox as well as heretical, as viewed in a Monophysite point of view. This was one of the major objections to Peter the Fuller's addition and innovation to the Trisaigion Hymn. To many it seemed (and continues to seem) to have Nestorian, Sabellian, and Monophysite connotations and views that must be held.
Title: Re: Theopaschism
Post by: JAWS_Thomas on November 21, 2008, 06:19:31 PM
I ran into these views, which in turn led to my head exploding while trying to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Theopaschism
Post by: Elisha on November 21, 2008, 07:36:05 PM
nevermind - found the answer myself.
Title: Re: Theopaschism
Post by: Salpy on November 21, 2008, 09:37:52 PM
It has many different possibilities though from this. Theopaschism can be Orthodox as well as heretical, as viewed in a Monophysite point of view. This was one of the major objections to Peter the Fuller's addition and innovation to the Trisaigion Hymn. To many it seemed (and continues to seem) to have Nestorian, Sabellian, and Monophysite connotations and views that must be held.

From the context of your post, and other posts you have made over the last 24 hours, I take it you mean the Oriental Orthodox when you used the word Monophysite here.  It's a violation of forum policy, but I'll let it slide.

For explanations of how the OO version of the Trisagion is neither an innovation or heretical, please click on the "trisagion" tag below.  In particular, see EA's explanations here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7178.0.html