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Title: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 23, 2008, 07:48:27 PM
Does a mother after giving birth need to stay at home after birth?

If yes why?

Is it a requirement of our Faith?

I have been getting conflicting answers to these questions. The answers seem to vary according to which area of Greece you are from.

Im very confused.
 :-\
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 23, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
Does a mother after giving birth need to stay at home after birth?
Yes.

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If yes why?
Because she needs time to heal from the ordeal of childbirth, and she and the child need bonding time.

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Is it a requirement of our Faith?
I don't believe so. We came back to church shortly before the forty days were up, but the Churching and Baptism occurred on the fortieth day.

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I have been getting conflicting answers to these questions. The answers seem to vary according to which area of Greece you are from.

Im very confused.
 :-\
I hope I haven't added to your confusion. :)
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 23, 2008, 08:46:09 PM
Does a mother after giving birth need to stay at home after birth?
Yes.

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If yes why?
Because she needs time to heal from the ordeal of childbirth, and she and the child need bonding time.

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Is it a requirement of our Faith?
I don't believe so. We came back to church shortly before the forty days were up, but the Churching and Baptism occurred on the fortieth day.

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I have been getting conflicting answers to these questions. The answers seem to vary according to which area of Greece you are from.

Im very confused.
 :-\
I hope I haven't added to your confusion. :)

Any more info about why it is a requirment of our Faith.

Peace
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 23, 2008, 08:48:55 PM
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Any more info about why it is a requirment of our Faith.

Peace
Not from me. What I know of the Faith is limited to what I have lived and the little I have read. Perhaps others are more knowledgeable about this.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 23, 2008, 09:56:37 PM
Does a mother after giving birth need to stay at home after birth?

According to secular culture, not necessary.  According to the Church, not necessary.

Is it a requirement of our Faith?

No.

I have been getting conflicting answers to these questions. The answers seem to vary according to which area of Greece you are from.

Given the state of modern Greece, not many women uphold religious traditions and the answer to your first question is also not necessary.

Im very confused.

The Orthodox faith is not a legalistic one.  No one will check to see if you stay away from Church for 40 days after giving birth....
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 23, 2008, 11:26:46 PM
Does a mother after giving birth need to stay at home after birth?

According to secular culture, not necessary.  According to the Church, not necessary.

Is it a requirement of our Faith?

No.

I have been getting conflicting answers to these questions. The answers seem to vary according to which area of Greece you are from.

Given the state of modern Greece, not many women uphold religious traditions and the answer to your first question is also not necessary.

Im very confused.

The Orthodox faith is not a legalistic one.  No one will check to see if you stay away from Church for 40 days after giving birth....



According to your responses is it fair to say why bother doing it all???

Since it isnt a requirement of the Church?

Very confused
 ???
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 23, 2008, 11:40:36 PM
According to your responses is it fair to say why bother doing it all???

Since it isnt a requirement of the Church?

Very confused

The Churching of a Baby after 40 Days is equivalent to the Presentation of Christ at the Temple (http://www.goarch.org/en/special/listen_learn_share/presentation/learn/) to fulfill Jewish law.

Since Christ fulfilled the Old Testament, nearly every Orthodox parent presents their newborn child for the 40 Day Blessing.  That doesn't mean Orthodox mothers have to barricade themselves at home for 40 Days although if some wish to stay home for 40 Days, no one is stopping them.

What is driving your confusion?
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: LBK on September 24, 2008, 12:07:14 AM

The Churching of a Baby after 40 Days is equivalent to the Presentation of Christ at the Temple (http://www.goarch.org/en/special/listen_learn_share/presentation/learn/) to fulfill Jewish law.

Since Christ fulfilled the Old Testament, nearly every Orthodox parent presents their newborn child for the 40 Day Blessing.  That doesn't mean Orthodox mothers have to barricade themselves at home for 40 Days although if some wish to stay home for 40 Days, no one is stopping them.

What is driving your confusion?

Excellent advice!
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 12:08:58 AM
According to your responses is it fair to say why bother doing it all???

Since it isnt a requirement of the Church?

Very confused

The Churching of a Baby after 40 Days is equivalent to the Presentation of Christ at the Temple (http://www.goarch.org/en/special/listen_learn_share/presentation/learn/) to fulfill Jewish law.

Since Christ fulfilled the Old Testament, nearly every Orthodox parent presents their newborn child for the 40 Day Blessing.  That doesn't mean Orthodox mothers have to barricade themselves at home for 40 Days although if some wish to stay home for 40 Days, no one is stopping them.

What is driving your confusion?

So you are saying they choose to do it from their own accord not because it is a Church requirement?

Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 24, 2008, 12:27:22 AM
So you are saying they choose to do it from their own accord not because it is a Church requirement?

Babies are Churched due to the parents' own free will and as a requirement of the Church.
The Baby cannot be baptized unless it is churched.

I hope I didn't confuse you further other than to say that Babies are routinely Churched in the Orthodox Church.  I ask for your forgiveness if I have confused you further....
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: LBK on September 24, 2008, 12:36:15 AM
The churching of an infant at 40 days is an ancient and strong custom, and it can be seen as a kind of preparatory step to the child's baptism. It is universally carried out in the Orthodox Church.

OTOH, the "requirement" of a mother to remain housebound, or to not set foot in church for 40 days is more a matter of local custom and culture.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 12:59:22 AM
So you are saying they choose to do it from their own accord not because it is a Church requirement?

Babies are Churched due to the parents' own free will and as a requirement of the Church.
The Baby cannot be baptized unless it is churched.

I hope I didn't confuse you further other than to say that Babies are routinely Churched in the Orthodox Church.  I ask for your forgiveness if I have confused you further....

No need to ask for forgiveness.

I just couldnt grasp whether or not it was a requirement of the Church thats all.

My wife has also asked why cant she attend the liturgy, go for confession and take Holy Communion?
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 24, 2008, 01:03:40 AM
My wife has also asked why cant she attend the liturgy, go for confession and take Holy Communion?

Did she recently give birth?  If so, congratulations!!   :)

If not, is there a reason your wife thinks she can't attend liturgy, confess and/or receive Holy Communion assuming that she hasn't been excommunicated for anything?   ??? ???
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 01:31:06 AM
My wife has also asked why cant she attend the liturgy, go for confession and take Holy Communion?

Did she recently give birth?  If so, congratulations!!   :)

If not, is there a reason your wife thinks she can't attend liturgy, confess and/or receive Holy Communion assuming that she hasn't been excommunicated for anything?   ??? ???

Yes she has recently given birth. Three weeks to be exact.

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Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 01:48:21 AM
When trying to post a pic it says uploader file is full, contact admin.....

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Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 24, 2008, 01:56:10 AM
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You have to use the Insert Image feature (located under the Italics button) and have a URL to the image you wish to upload.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 24, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
Yes she has recently given birth. Three weeks to be exact.
Congratulations, and many years!

My wife was glad to get out of the house, at least for a few minutes, after three weeks. Yet it really does take about six weeks to fully recover, even if there are no tears during childbirth (which can take even longer to recover). Forty days of rest is medically sound, even if there is no spiritual requirement.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: EofK on September 24, 2008, 11:33:53 AM
Indeed, congratulations and many years!  I think the first time I left the house after our daughter was born was day 6 and it was with mixed feelings.  I was glad to see the outdoors but I was terrified of how to get this fragile little girl from point A to point B. 

Yeah, as far as physically and emotionally it takes a couple of weeks to feel up to going any where and I really didn't even feel human again until six weeks after birth.  As far as the church goes, there is nothing I know of forbidding your wife from attending, confessing, or taking communion.  My priest advised me to come back when I felt ready and I believe we came two weeks after she was born.  Of course, as mentioned by others, there are cultural differences in each parish.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Quinault on September 24, 2008, 02:28:46 PM
After baby two I walked about 1/3 of the way around greenlake (about a mile I think) to take my eldest to the park within a couple days of giving birth. After baby 3 I went to the grocery store within a day. The more kids you have the less likely it is that you can stay home for very long, if at all. I was pretty slow on these outings, but they were necessary for the sanity of the family.

Just don't try to squat down for the full six weeks. You can stop bleeding within about 1-2 weeks if you are careful with babies 2 and on. If the bleeding stopped and then restarted after activity it is a good sign that you are over doing it.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Quinault on September 24, 2008, 02:41:48 PM
Once we have baby #4 I will likely observe the 40 days of staying home from Liturgy. My husband can take the older three. It is a good chance to establish nursing routines and have one on one time with a child that otherwise wouldn't have it.  Even with nursing all kids after the first one rarely get that one on one time with mommy.
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: EofK on September 24, 2008, 03:43:44 PM
^Ditto on the nursing routines.  It's hard to set a nursing schedule away from home. 
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 06:37:03 PM
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Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
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Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 06:40:32 PM
He has changed my world, I love him so much.  :)

Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 06:44:51 PM
My wife is finding it at little difficult at the moment as she has not left the house for a few weeks now.

Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: LBK on September 24, 2008, 07:47:34 PM
Dare I suggest what's preventing you from staying home with the little one while she goes out for a bit, for her own sanity?
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Byzantine2008 on September 24, 2008, 07:51:34 PM
Dare I suggest what's preventing you from staying home with the little one while she goes out for a bit, for her own sanity?

I have been working long hours lately but hopefully next week i can get the weekend off to give her a break.

 ;D
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Quinault on September 24, 2008, 08:00:34 PM
I suggest you get someone to come over while babe naps so you two can get something to snack on. Even just a half hour of "adult time" will do wonders for her sanity and your connection as husband and wife. It is easier to be away in increasing increments than to go for 2 hours the first time. We mommies will find any reason to feel guilty ;)
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: EofK on September 24, 2008, 08:04:55 PM
Beautiful son, Byzantine2008!  Congratulations!

You're right, it's hard to find time to do things with a wee one.  The first time Mr. Y and I went out on the town without Caitlin we were starting to miss her within an hour.  I started talking about her the instant we drove away from her grandparents.  :) 
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: SolEX01 on September 25, 2008, 01:08:02 AM
Nicholas is some handsome little guy!!  May God Bless the 3 of you.   :)

Please tell your wife to go to a friend's house, mall or somewhere else for some time while you watch Nicholas, for her sanity.   ;)
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Lepanto on February 17, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
Sorry in advance for unearthing this old thread, but I wanted to avoid creating a new one.
Reading the above posts, I could not quite determine the reasoning for this 40-day-rule:

Is there some idea of impureness involved?
As you know, child birth can be quite messy and there may be wounds which continue to bleed for a while.
Or is this just a custom in some countries without being a church requirement?
Does someone have a reference discussing this?
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Arachne on February 17, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Sorry in advance for unearthing this old thread, but I wanted to avoid creating a new one.
Reading the above posts, I could not quite determine the reasoning for this 40-day-rule:

Is there some idea of impureness involved?
As you know, child birth can be quite messy and there may be wounds which continue to bleed for a while.
Or is this just a custom in some countries without being a church requirement?
Does someone have a reference discussing this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churching_of_women
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Iconodule on February 17, 2017, 01:33:12 PM
An article from Sister Vassa worth reading:

http://www.pravmir.com/article_660.html

Some comments on the above article from Fr Sergei Sveshnikov:

http://www.pravmir.com/article_663.html
Title: Re: 40 days after birth of child
Post by: Lepanto on February 17, 2017, 01:42:45 PM
Thanks @Iconodule and @Arachne!