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Title: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 07, 2007, 05:38:56 PM
What languages do we all speak?  Vote for what you speak/write in passably (not necessarily fluently).  May vote for as many languages/categories as you speak.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GiC on February 07, 2007, 06:09:58 PM
You could have included spanish in the Romance language category and you left out a big one, Latin...which though is the basis for Romance languages, is not actually counted amongst them.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 07, 2007, 07:10:29 PM
Of course I could have.... But I wanted the SPanish breakout because of the sheer volume of people that would speak it.....
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Anastasios on February 07, 2007, 08:07:36 PM
नमस्ते, मेरा नाम आनास्तासियोस है। मैं हिंदी कुछ कुछ बोल सकता हुँ।
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GiC on February 07, 2007, 08:13:45 PM
नमस्ते, मेरा नाम आनास्तासियोस है। मैं हिंदी कुछ कुछ बोल सकता हुँ।

Hindi? I dont see this conversation going too far on here...but good luck with it. ;)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 08, 2007, 06:50:56 AM
Hindi? I dont see this conversation going too far on here...but good luck with it. ;)

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Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Cephas on February 08, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
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Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Ebor on February 08, 2007, 12:09:01 PM
Now then, Sindarin and Quenya are hardly "artificial" languages.... unless it is meant that there is the work of an "artisan of words" in the making.

 :)

Ebor (though I'm certainly not fluent, alas.)

And what about Japanese? is that for the last choice "boo"?

Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Ebor on February 08, 2007, 12:10:18 PM
And what about Old English/Anglo Saxon?  Or Middle English? 

Not the same as Modern English by a long chalk.

Ebor  ;)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GiC on February 08, 2007, 12:57:10 PM
And what about Old English/Anglo Saxon?  Or Middle English? 

Not the same as Modern English by a long chalk.

Ebor  ;)

Old English, at least, would go under 'Germanic'
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: dantxny on February 08, 2007, 02:23:38 PM
And Anglo-Norman?  Where do we put that? :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: dantxny on February 08, 2007, 02:25:26 PM
Cleveland,
Do you think we should take out English, as most of us are fluent in English and it does skew the results.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: FrChris on February 08, 2007, 02:32:24 PM
Cleveland,
Do you think we should take out English, as most of us are fluent in English and it does skew the results.

Well, if you take out English, then that means I don't get to vote or participate in this poll!
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Ebor on February 08, 2007, 02:52:16 PM
Old English, at least, would go under 'Germanic'

Related, it is, but "not the same".   

Ebor (Anglo-Saxon separatism!!)

 ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Cowboy on February 08, 2007, 02:58:43 PM
Someone should change the calculation equation on this poll. Right now the number of responses for each category are divided by the total number of responses. They should be divided by the total number of respondents. Otherwise it looks like less than 30% are fluent in English.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 08, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
Cleveland,
Do you think we should take out English, as most of us are fluent in English and it does skew the results.

It may skew the percentages (which I really wasn't interested in), but it does serve as a "baseline," and also gives a good idea as to the makeup of our non-local population.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: jmbejdl on February 09, 2007, 05:02:03 AM
It may skew the percentages (which I really wasn't interested in), but it does serve as a "baseline," and also gives a good idea as to the makeup of our non-local population.

I was under the impression we were talking about non-native languages and so I didn't vote English although I am, clearly, relatively proficient in it.

James
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: czzham on February 09, 2007, 07:42:27 AM

guess I'm not a "World City-Zen"! no unity for me, just the American English I was born & raised with, although I also speak, read & understand several others... por les Euros des mois, eta pravda, faccia bella. 7 x 7 don't equal Arabic eleven... do we have that many wheels? (I know, bad pun, no Paddy 'O' Fence in-tended...).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 09, 2007, 08:46:58 AM
I was under the impression we were talking about non-native languages and so I didn't vote English although I am, clearly, relatively proficient in it.

James

Oh, I guess I should have been more clear or specific.  No worries- if you're the statistical outlier, that's okay!
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Veniamin on February 09, 2007, 09:47:06 AM
So really, how many people here can speak Klingon?  Inquiring minds want to know. ;)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on February 11, 2007, 12:29:19 AM
So really, how many people here can speak Klingon?  Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

In that list of "artificial" languages is probably included Elvish, Vulcan, etc.  I bet there is at least one person who speaks Elvish, but as for Klingon - I know GiC probably wishes he could, and I know FrChris and I have theories that he already learned a few words (ka-PLAH!).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on June 25, 2007, 02:14:32 AM

 I am gifted with the ability to hear all languages fluently.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on June 26, 2007, 08:18:46 AM
^
LOL!

Also, though I can speak only English and Spanish, I can understand related languages. I once worked with a guy who spoke French but not Spanish. I spoke Spanish to him and he French to me, and we never once had a misunderstanding. Also, when I was in Germany last summer, I had little trouble understanding the Berliners (Nein, ich nein bin ein Berliner...bad joke), even when they did not understand English (most of them did). Just some observations.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Despina on June 26, 2007, 10:33:18 AM
I speak English & Canadian very well ;). I can read Greek very well, write it okay, and speak it...poorly. But I can understand it well. I know quite a bit of Serbian as well, if I hear people speak it, I know it's Serbian and not Croatian or Bulgarian.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: The young fogey on July 04, 2007, 05:24:22 PM
Also, though I can speak only English and Spanish, I can understand related languages... (Nein, ich nein bin ein Berliner...bad joke)

So can I, at least in writing, which is why my English and some Russian, Spanish and Latin go pretty far.

Is the Berliner joke about ein Berliner, 'jelly doughnut'? Some say the story about JFK - that his quotation in German really translates as 'I am a jelly doughnut' - is false and 'Ich bin ein Berliner' means 'I am a Berliner' like he meant. (According to the story, in German 'I am a Berliner' is 'Ich bin Berliner'.)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Despina on July 04, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
Einai ola Ellinika gia mena.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Friar Tuck on July 04, 2007, 07:16:05 PM
English, French, Italian, Greek, and Latin.

Friar Tuck
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Heorhij on July 05, 2007, 09:43:44 AM
The two languages that I call my "equally first" are Ukrainian and Russian. Ukrainian was the only language of my retired grandfather who spent as much time and effort to raise me as my parents did (if not more), and Russian was the language of my parents. The first children's books that I read were, again, in Ukrainian and in Russian. Growing up in Kyiv, the capital of the Soviet Ukraine, a city that was terribly Russified, I heard and used mostly Russian; but then I married a girl from Volyn', a part of Ukraine that retained its "Ukrainianness" better, and I switched entirely to Ukrainian at home.

English is the language I learned at school; it is the language I currently use in my everyday work and communication with Americans. The other two foreign languages I have "some idea about" (can read and understand with the help of a dictionary, albeit cannot speak fluently myself) are French and Spanish.

Certainly, being a Slav, I can recognize many words written or spoken in Polish, Czech, Slovakian, Bulgarian, etc.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 06, 2007, 12:34:20 AM
I'm somewhat fluent in a number of languages:  C#, C++, C, Java, Binary, Perl, PHP, etc. ;D

There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who know binary and those who don't. :D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: SamB on July 06, 2007, 01:25:08 AM
And what about Old English/Anglo Saxon?  Or Middle English? 

Not the same as Modern English by a long chalk.

Ebor  ;)

Ditto Modern Standard Arabic and vernacular dialects, the former functioning as once did katharevousa in Greece (shame that it's gone).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ma2000 on July 06, 2007, 02:07:16 AM
There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who know binary and those who don't. :D

 ;D

I can add Romanian, French , English and most of PeterTheAleut's favorite languages :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 06, 2007, 02:10:33 AM
;D

I can add Romanian, French , English and most of PeterTheAleut's favorite languages :)
Another computer geek like me, eh? ;)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ma2000 on July 06, 2007, 04:40:33 AM
89 101 115 33 :P
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: jmbejdl on July 06, 2007, 06:24:39 AM
;D

I can add Romanian, French , English and most of PeterTheAleut's favorite languages :)

With me it's swap German for French and add some very poor Czech, but other than that as for you (i.e. I'm also a computer geek to use PeterTheAleut's phrase). I'd have to leave a few off his list but add PL-SQL, T-SQL, WQL and probably a few others that don't immediately spring to mind.

James
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Sophie on July 06, 2007, 09:09:14 AM
Greek, English, Spanish, French,  and some Italian. :) I would love to learn Farsi or Arabic, and I am in the process of learning the alphabet but I guess it is going to take a loooong time! :P
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on July 16, 2007, 07:42:57 PM
Greek, English, Spanish, French,  and some Italian. :) I would love to learn Farsi or Arabic, and I am in the process of learning the alphabet but I guess it is going to take a loooong time! :P

Doesn't knowing Spanish help one learn Italian and vice-versa?  (I don't know either, but was considering learning the latter one).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on July 16, 2007, 08:32:11 PM
Doesn't knowing Spanish help one learn Italian and vice-versa?  (I don't know either, but was considering learning the latter one).

Written, not so much, but orally, yes.  Of the two, Italian is the best to learn (yes, I do have a bias  :P), since lexical similarities are higher between Italian and other Romance Languages (French, Romanian), compared to Spanish.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 17, 2007, 09:21:39 AM
Written, not so much, but orally, yes.  Of the two, Italian is the best to learn (yes, I do have a bias  :P), since lexical similarities are higher between Italian and other Romance Languages (French, Romanian), compared to Spanish.

Oh, I'd say it's the opposite. Speaking Spanish, I find it very easy to read Portuguese, Italian, or Romanian, even if I can't pronounce the words. Italian I can understand spoken better than any other Romance language; I think Spanish and Italian are the closest in that group.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Αριστοκλής on July 17, 2007, 09:26:41 AM
For me, any Romance language other than French is useful in understanding/learning others.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: jmbejdl on July 18, 2007, 02:28:05 AM
For me, any Romance language other than French is useful in understanding/learning others.

I agree. I did two years of Spanish at school and certainly can't speak it yet at university I found that my Romanian allowed me to read Spanish psychology papers without much difficulty (only needed a dictionary accasionally), I have no problem understanding Italian, Portuguese is reasonably ok to read but impossible to understand spoken. French is most definitely the odd one out. I can't get on with the language at all (and I did two years of that at school, too). I must say though, that whilst Romanians have no difficulty at all understanding Italian, I'm told that the reverse doesn't apply so much. Apparently certain phonetic changes plus loan words from languages like Slavonic make it difficult for the Italians whereas usually even if a loan word is the norm Romanian has an archaic equivalent derived from Latin as well. The grammar of Romanian is also way more complicated than Italian.

James
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on July 18, 2007, 02:47:41 AM
I must say though, that whilst Romanians have no difficulty at all understanding Italian, I'm told that the reverse doesn't apply so much. Apparently certain phonetic changes plus loan words from languages like Slavonic make it difficult for the Italians whereas usually even if a loan word is the norm Romanian has an archaic equivalent derived from Latin as well. The grammar of Romanian is also way more complicated than Italian.

Like you said, for an Italian, the main issues are certain phonetic sound changes (lack of a 'qu' sound and others) and Slavic loan words.  I learned Friulian though, so it has helped.  It has influences from all over in it, so Slavic loan words are less scary.   :P
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Sophie on July 18, 2007, 03:42:17 AM
Before I began to speak Spanish fluently I spoke better Italian than I do now. I do understand it but the similarities with Spanish make it difficult to distinguish between the two when I try to speak it and not say the words in Spanish, or use Spanish words with italian endings! Same goes for French. Spanish has ruined my life! lol  :D :P
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Reader KevinAndrew on November 09, 2007, 09:02:21 PM
Greek, English, Spanish, French,  and some Italian. :) I would love to learn Farsi or Arabic, and I am in the process of learning the alphabet but I guess it is going to take a loooong time! :P

Between Farsi/Persian and Arabic, Persian is a heck of alot easier to learn. The grammar's simple.

For me, English (mother tongue), French, Persian / Farsi, and two years of modern Standard Arabic (I'm at intermediate level with that).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Ian Lazarus on November 09, 2007, 09:05:44 PM
Glaswiegen!
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Athanasios on November 12, 2007, 08:54:50 PM
Hello,

My primary language is English. I can speak semi-fluent Italian (I am intending on becoming completely proficient in this language). I can also understand ecclesiastical Latin.

I am also proficient in binary, hex, ASCII, and UNICODE, C/C++, shell scripting languages, etc.. (yup, computer geek here)

I have a dappling of many other languages, but none enough to say I can know them even passably - usually just a couple of phrases or an understanding of the alphabet/pronunciation. In this list is included Croatian (my best language in this class), French, Greek, Syriac, Arabic, Hebrew, etc.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Athanasios on November 12, 2007, 08:56:41 PM
Hello,

As far as Romance languages go, Italian and Spanish are very similar in vocabulary and Italian and French are very similar in grammar. That is what my high school Italian teacher told us.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ozgeorge on November 13, 2007, 05:09:25 AM
I am also proficient in binary, hex, ASCII, and UNICODE, C/C++, shell scripting languages, etc.. (yup, computer geek here)
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Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Athanasios on November 13, 2007, 10:44:09 AM
Hello,

01010111 01100101 00100111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01100101 01100100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 01110101 01101101 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100101 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01001100 01101001 01110100 01110101 01110010 01100111 01111001 00100000 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01100001 01101110 01110011 01101100 01100001 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01101001 01101110 01110100 01101111 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 00100000 01010111 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101111 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01110111 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 00100010 01000111 01100101 01100101 01101011 00100000 01001111 01110010 01110100 01101000 01101111 01100100 01101111 01111000 01111001 00100010 00101110 00100110 00100011 00110110 00110101 00110101 00110011 00110011 00111011
There are 10 types of people in this world - those who know binary and those who don't.

That sounds like an interesting plan. Maybe we can hook it up to a synthesizer and see if heavenly music comes out.  ;D

I myself prefer to deal straight with hex, as I find more than 4 octets of binary sheer drudgery.

Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: stanley123 on November 25, 2007, 07:03:08 PM
You could have included spanish in the Romance language category and you left out a big one, Latin...which though is the basis for Romance languages, is not actually counted amongst them.
In addition to Latin, I didn't see listed: Chinese, Vietnamese and Hebrew also.
BTW, for R Catholics, it's not like it was before Vatican II, when RC priests had to study Latin for several years.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Simayan on November 25, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
English, Spanish, French, Latin, Gaelic (courtesy of my grandmother), and some Greek.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Galina-Volga on April 10, 2008, 06:57:31 AM
I speak very simple  :)  Russian and English.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: MoreThan1Hat on April 10, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
Besides English, I can read French, German, Italian, Spanish, ecclesiastical Latin and Turkish (enough to read a simple newspaper article or order in a restaurant without getting served something really weird).  I'm getting better at reading transliterated Church Slavonic.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: mike on February 10, 2009, 03:43:22 PM
Podlachian (you can describe it as a mixture of Ukrainian and Belarusian with minor other elements (Polish and Russian)), Belarusian and Polish - native or hardly native
English - I hope I speak it quite well
Ukrainian and Russian - well to understand speech, not very hard to read, can't say anything :P
I also studied German but I can say not much except from Ich bin nicht vorbereitet.

and Church Slavonic a bit
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 09, 2009, 10:14:40 PM
Newbie weighing in here:  I speak, read, and write English, Portuguese, Spanish (not as fluently as I would like), and I understand a good deal of ecclesiastical Latin thanks to the RCC and parochial schools.  ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on September 09, 2009, 11:50:09 PM
Welcome to the forum EVOO!

I speak English, French, and a teeny, tiny bit of Ukrainian.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Catherine on September 10, 2009, 02:35:41 AM
Hello, EVOO!

I speak Gaelic, Welsh, English, French, German, Danish and a little Russian.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GregoryLA on September 10, 2009, 03:44:56 AM
English natively, Japanese fluently (but not perfectly), Spanish decently, Swedish basically and several others barely.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Irish Hermit on September 10, 2009, 05:48:55 AM
Hello, EVOO!

I speak Gaelic, Welsh, English, French, German, Danish and a little Russian.

You speak Gaelic?  Irish or Scottish?  I am totally envious.  Irish is my patrimony but I find it too hard to learn it on my own.  I went to the Irish club and not a soul there speaks it!!  I knew that they wouldn't be able to help when the bar tender told me the most popular whisky at the club was Black Douglas!   ;D

Otherwise, I can speak Russian, Serbian, and Latin (if that counts as a spoken language - years ago I did use it in Milan to persuade a priest to allow myself and a brother monk to touch and venerate the relics of Saint Ambrose.)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Clancy Boy on September 10, 2009, 05:50:59 AM
English, Japanese and Chinese fluently, learning Greek and Dutch.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Clancy Boy on September 10, 2009, 05:57:19 AM
Hello, EVOO!

I speak Gaelic, Welsh, English, French, German, Danish and a little Russian.

You speak Gaelic?  Irish or Scottish?  I am totally envious.  Irish is my patrimony but I find it too hard to learn it on my own.  I went to the Irish club and not a soul there speaks it!!  I knew that they wouldn't be able to help when the bar tender told me the most popular whisky at the club was Black Douglas!   ;D

The Rosetta Stone software is very decent, and there are several online radio programs broadcast entirely in Gaelic.

I just ran across these, maybe they can be useful to you.

Quote
An Chré

Creidim in aon Dia amháin.
An tAthair uilechumhachtach
a rinne neamh agus talamh
agus an uile ní sofheicthe agus dofheicthe
agus in aon Tiarna amháin,
Íosa Críost, Aon-Mhac Dé,
an té a rugadh ón Athair
sula raibh aon saol ann,
Dia ó Dhia, solas ó sholas
fíorDhia ó fhíorDhia;
an té a gineadh agus nach ndearnadh,
agus atá d'aon substaint leis an Athair;
is tríd a rinneadh an uile ní.
Ar ár son-na an cine daonna,
agus ar son ár slánaithe,
thuirling sé ó neamh.
Ionchollaíodh le cumhacht an Spioraid Naoimh é
i mbroinn na Maighdine Muire
agus ghlac sé nádúr daonna.
Céasadh ar an gcrois é freisin ar ár son;
d'fhulaing sé páis faoi Phontius Píoláit
agus adhlacadh é.
D'aiséirigh an treas lá
de réir na scrioptúr;
chuaigh suas ar neamh;
tá ina shuí ar dheis an Athar.
Tiocfaidh sé an athuair faoi ghlóir
le breithiúnas a thabhairt
ar bheo agus ar mhairbh,
agus ní bheidh deireadh lena ríocht.
Creidim sa Spiorad Naomh,
Tiarna agus bronntóir na beatha,
an té a ghluaiseann ón Athair agus ón Mac.
Tugtar dó adhradh agus glóir
mar aon leis an Athair agus leis an Mac;
is é a labhair trí na fáithe.
Creidim san aon Eaglais
naofa, chaitliceach, aspalda.
Adhmhaim an t-aon bhaisteadh amháin
chun maithiúnas na bpeacaí.
Agus táim ag súil le haiséirí na marbh
agus le beatha an tsaoil atá le teacht.
Amen.


Urnaigh an Tighearna:

Ar n-Athair a tha air nèamh, gu naomhaichear d'ainm.
Thigeadh do rìochachd. Dèanar do thoil air an talamh, mar a nìthear air nèamh.
Tabhair dhuinn an-diugh ar n-aran làitheil. Agus maith dhuinn ar fiachan, amhail a mhaitheas sinne dar luchd-fiach.
Agus na leig ann am buaireadh sinn; ach saor sinn o olc;
oir is leatsa an rìoghachd, agus an cumhachd, agus a' ghlòir, gu sìorraidh.
Amen.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Irish Hermit on September 10, 2009, 06:10:48 AM
Hello, EVOO!

I speak Gaelic, Welsh, English, French, German, Danish and a little Russian.

You speak Gaelic?  Irish or Scottish?  I am totally envious.  Irish is my patrimony but I find it too hard to learn it on my own.  I went to the Irish club and not a soul there speaks it!!  I knew that they wouldn't be able to help when the bar tender told me the most popular whisky at the club was Black Douglas!   ;D

The Rosetta Stone software is very decent, and there are several online radio programs broadcast entirely in Gaelic.

I just ran across these, maybe they can be useful to you.


Thanks, Clancy Boy, but it is not really the reading or writing which kills me.  It is the pronunciation.   And I've found that a lot of it is so subtle, at least to my ear, that radio programmes aren't enough.  I need a teacher who will go over and over it with me.  :-)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Νεκτάριος on September 10, 2009, 07:43:16 AM
English, Japanese and Chinese fluently, learning Greek and Dutch.


Can you recommend any good course books for Chinese that are easily available in China?  This is an uphill battle for me!   
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 17, 2009, 05:59:00 PM
Welcome, EVOO! You must be a Rachel Ray fan.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 17, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
Welcome, EVOO! You must be a Rachel Ray fan.
Hello there, and thank you.  I'm not a Rachel fan.  She's too brusque for me.  But, I knew the "evoo" was gonna make people wonder.  ;D  "EVOO" stands for Eastern V. Oriental Orthodoxy.  I'm still looking into both of them.  Maybe I better start a thread about my questions.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Catherine on September 17, 2009, 08:05:54 PM
Quote
I knew that they wouldn't be able to help when the bar tender told me the most popular whisky at the club was Black Douglas! 


 :laugh:

Hello, EVOO!

I speak Gaelic, Welsh, English, French, German, Danish and a little Russian.

You speak Gaelic?  Irish or Scottish? 

I speak Irish Gaelic. Gaelic words are pronounced very differently from how they are spelled, and so the Irish Gaelic language can be quite difficult to learn (Irish Gaelic focuses on a lot of lenition (aspiration) and eclipses (nasalization), which changes the sounds of various words, of course - see the link). There are a number of resources on the internet, actually. A quick google search of "learn Irish Gaelic" yielded this website:

http://www.hocanimation.com/IrishPronGuide.pdf (It is a pronunciation guide.)


Having said that, I suggest lots of Irish audio lessons, lots of patience and a native speaker. Feel free to ask me any questions. I shall be more than happy to help you. Irish Gaelic is a beautiful language and it is worth the effort.

Slán agus beannacht leat... 



Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 17, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Thank you all for the warm welcome.  :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Myrrh23 on September 17, 2009, 10:38:36 PM
I'm learning Chinese this semester at college. Beautiful language!! ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 18, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
Welcome, EVOO! You must be a Rachel Ray fan.
Hello there, and thank you.  I'm not a Rachel fan.  She's too brusque for me.  But, I knew the "evoo" was gonna make people wonder.  ;D  "EVOO" stands for Eastern V. Oriental Orthodoxy.  I'm still looking into both of them.  Maybe I better start a thread about my questions.
I see. Where there's an acronym, there are usually several ways to interpret it.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: EofK on September 18, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
I'm learning Chinese this semester at college. Beautiful language!! ;D

Yay!  I always wanted to learn Chinese.  It is beautiful and very subtle.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on September 18, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
Does Hillbilly count?  8)  :D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Νεκτάριος on September 18, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
I'm learning Chinese this semester at college. Beautiful language!! ;D

Yay!  I always wanted to learn Chinese.  It is beautiful and very subtle.

Subtle?  Are we talking about the same Chinese here?  I find it to be very brusque and strait forward relative to most European languages.  And the beauty starts to wear off when every conversation you attempt begins with someone staring and saying laowai.  That being said, I like the language, even if it is an uphill battle to learn it.       
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Liz on September 19, 2009, 09:39:19 AM
I like this thread!

I only really speak English, but I have studied French and Italian, Latin and Greek, Old English and Old Norse, and a very little German. I love languages! I'm trying to learn Russian atm for my Russian fiance, but I am finding it harder than anything else I've tried so far (except maybe the Norse).  :(

I'm also trying to brush up my Latin for uni in a few weeks - eek!

What I want to know is, what language would you all love to be able to speak/read? For me (other than the Russian I'm struggling with!) it would have to be Hebrew. What about you?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: mike on September 19, 2009, 10:18:10 AM
Spanish, Greek and Arabic. I can't decide which one I would like to read most.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on September 19, 2009, 11:01:13 AM
... what language would you all love to be able to speak/read?

I can speak just a little Arabic and Romanian, but I wish I were more proficient with them.  Another language I'd absolutely love to learn is Irish Gaelic as I'm saving up for my trip to the ancestral homeland in Donegal, Republic of Ireland.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: GregoryLA on September 19, 2009, 07:59:15 PM
I like this thread!

I only really speak English, but I have studied French and Italian, Latin and Greek, Old English and Old Norse, and a very little German. I love languages! I'm trying to learn Russian atm for my Russian fiance, but I am finding it harder than anything else I've tried so far (except maybe the Norse).  :(

I'm also trying to brush up my Latin for uni in a few weeks - eek!

What I want to know is, what language would you all love to be able to speak/read? For me (other than the Russian I'm struggling with!) it would have to be Hebrew. What about you?

I took Old Norse in uni.  I hardly remember anything though except that "maelti" means he said (i think) and "vid erum vikingir stekir och fraegir" means "we're strong and famous vikings"!

Also, there are a ton of langauges I'd love to learn.  Especially though Georgian and Greek.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 20, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Liz on September 20, 2009, 05:40:20 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Heorhij on September 20, 2009, 06:13:06 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)

Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language. 
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 20, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)
Portuguese and Spanish are very much alike.  Additionally, we have a language in common with Spain - Galician.  Written Galician is nearly identical to written Portuguese.  It is still spoken in the northernmost regions Portugal and in northwest Spain.  However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.  Portuguese pronunciation is not as crisp and clean as Spanish, so it's sometimes difficult to understand by Spanish-speaking people.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 20, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language. 
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: rwprof on September 21, 2009, 02:07:20 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)
Portuguese and Spanish are very much alike.  Additionally, we have a language in common with Spain - Galician.  Written Galician is nearly identical to written Portuguese.  It is still spoken in the northernmost regions Portugal and in northwest Spain.  However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.  Portuguese pronunciation is not as crisp and clean as Spanish, so it's sometimes difficult to understand by Spanish-speaking people.

Which is certainly not to be confused (particularly on this forum) with the Eastern European Galicia.





Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Agia Marina on September 21, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)
Portuguese and Spanish are very much alike.  Additionally, we have a language in common with Spain - Galician.  Written Galician is nearly identical to written Portuguese.  It is still spoken in the northernmost regions Portugal and in northwest Spain.  However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.  Portuguese pronunciation is not as crisp and clean as Spanish, so it's sometimes difficult to understand by Spanish-speaking people.

Which is certainly not to be confused (particularly on this forum) with the Eastern European Galicia
Absolutely not!  We would never do that.  ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: theotokos on January 14, 2010, 12:55:11 PM
Türkçe or Turkish in English  :)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Christianus on March 13, 2010, 05:39:29 AM
I'm surprised that there are about the same amount of Spanish speakers here, as Greek speakers, maybe the orthodox faith is returning to Hispania,
and that there are more romance speakers here than Greek
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on March 13, 2010, 09:17:39 AM
I'm surprised that there are about the same amount of Spanish speakers here, as Greek speakers, maybe the orthodox faith is returning to Hispania,
and that there are more romance speakers here than Greek

I sincerely doubt that there are equal numbers of Spanish and Greek speakers here.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on March 13, 2010, 12:14:16 PM
I'm surprised that there are about the same amount of Spanish speakers here, as Greek speakers, maybe the orthodox faith is returning to Hispania,
and that there are more romance speakers here than Greek

That probably has to do more with the foreign language requirement to graduate High School than it does a "return of Orthodoxy to Hispania." When the options are only Spanish or French, Spanish is usually more popular. Also, with the large influx of Latin American immigrants in the US, it's not surprising that many people have learned Spanish for work. Especially if they happen to live in Texas, Southern California, Miami, etc. (I am not saying that to put anyone down, just merely expressing that knowing Spanish has become a requirement for some.)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Asteriktos on March 13, 2010, 01:06:33 PM
That probably has to do more with the foreign language requirement to graduate High School than it does a "return of Orthodoxy to Hispania." When the options are only Spanish or French, Spanish is usually more popular. Also, with the large influx of Latin American immigrants in the US, it's not surprising that many people have learned Spanish for work. Especially if they happen to live in Texas, Southern California, Miami, etc. (I am not saying that to put anyone down, just merely expressing that knowing Spanish has become a requirement for some.)

Fwiw, my own experience mirrors what you're saying... sort of. I was in vo-tech in high school, so I wasn't required to take a foreign language. But if I had been required to take a foreign language, it would have been Spanish, and that's what many of my friends/family took as well (though my wife took French for whatever reason).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on March 13, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
I'm surprised that there are about the same amount of Spanish speakers here, as Greek speakers, maybe the orthodox faith is returning to Hispania,
and that there are more romance speakers here than Greek
Do you understand what a straw poll is?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: trifon on March 28, 2010, 12:09:46 PM

I speak Polish (born in Poland), and English fluently.  I studied Serbian in university, but would hardly call myself anything other than 'intermediate' beginner.  Since I divide my time between Serbia and Bulgaria, I've gotten at least the basics of Bulgarian, but have a long way to go before I can call myself 'intermediate' :D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on March 28, 2010, 12:50:18 PM
Fwiw, my own experience mirrors what you're saying... sort of. I was in vo-tech in high school, so I wasn't required to take a foreign language. But if I had been required to take a foreign language, it would have been Spanish, and that's what many of my friends/family took as well (though my wife took French for whatever reason).

In hindsight, I'm surprised that Spanish was being pushed nearly as hard 10+ years ago in H.S. as it is now.  The Spanish classes in Junior High and High School were easily the largest and had the largest recruiting movement; I happened to take the most unpopular choices at each level (French in Junior High, Latin in HS).
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ChristusDominus on March 28, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language.  
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
I disagree, Latin American Spanish is much clearer than Iberian Spanish. Yet I converse with with friends from Spain all the time and we understand  each other perfectly. They are not dialects. It is like American English and British English, same difference. Different ways of expressing oneself but it is the same language, Castilian.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fr. George on March 28, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ChristusDominus on March 29, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
Unless you speak Galician (Gallego), spoken in Northwest Spain and other regions. It is closely related to Portuguese. More so than Castilian Spanish. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Christianus on April 07, 2010, 09:20:58 PM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
Unless you speak Galician (Gallego), spoken in Northwest Spain and other regions. It is closely related to Portuguese. More so than Castilian Spanish. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
sadly That's one language that I'll never learn, the language of my forefathers.  :(
Galiz.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Christianus on April 07, 2010, 09:27:32 PM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
OMG that guy is like me except that he speaks basque.
Basque and Galician.   :-[
Why did God have to take away Basque away from me? it's so cool and mighty. it's awesome beyond belief.
it has at least 45 noun declensions. while Greek has 15.
Your friend is so lucky.
I wish I could talk to that guy.
Euskadi....
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: stanley123 on April 07, 2010, 11:20:30 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language.  
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
I disagree, Latin American Spanish is much clearer than Iberian Spanish. Yet I converse with with friends from Spain all the time and we understand  each other perfectly. They are not dialects. It is like American English and British English, same difference. Different ways of expressing oneself but it is the same language, Castilian.
I am not sure what is meant by the term dialect. for example, isn't standard American English a dialect of the English language?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ChristusDominus on April 08, 2010, 12:16:41 AM
OMG that guy is like me except that he speaks basque.
Basque and Galician.   :-[
Why did God have to take away Basque away from me? it's so cool and mighty. it's awesome beyond belief.
it has at least 45 noun declensions. while Greek has 15.
Your friend is so lucky.
I wish I could talk to that guy.
Euskadi....
Are you a Vasco? Both my parents had Basque surnames but I don't consider myself Basque becasue I was not born in the Basque country nor do I speak the language. But Galician is quite different than Basque. I am sure you know that Basque is not a Latin based language. Supposedly, it is a pre-roman language of unknown origin. But my real question is this: How did God take Basque away from you? I'm just a bit curious.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: ChristusDominus on April 08, 2010, 12:19:02 AM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
Unless you speak Galician (Gallego), spoken in Northwest Spain and other regions. It is closely related to Portuguese. More so than Castilian Spanish. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
sadly That's one language that I'll never learn, the language of my forefathers.  :(
Galiz.
Ok, so you're Galego?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Christianus on April 08, 2010, 01:51:43 AM
However, it is much easier for Portuguese speakers to understand the Spanish language than the reverse.

A former schoolmate (from Peru) would echo your sentiments: he spoke Portuguese and Spanish (and Basque, to boot) and said that those who spoke the former could usually understand the latter without formal training, but not vice-versa.
Unless you speak Galician (Gallego), spoken in Northwest Spain and other regions. It is closely related to Portuguese. More so than Castilian Spanish. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galego
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
sadly That's one language that I'll never learn, the language of my forefathers.  :(
Galiz.
Ok, so you're Galego?
yeah, since I'm Galician, I'm Spanish and Portuguese all at the same time, and possibly Celtic, which I doubt because my last name sounds more Roman than Celtic.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Fabio Leite on April 29, 2010, 08:35:43 PM
My native language is Portuguese, and my second language is English.

I have some formal education in Spanish and French.

I can (barely) understand most Romance languages (except Romenian, probably due to lack of contact with it) and even try to communicate back.

Galician is very close to Portuguese and although it requires more attention than usual, if the two parts are willing we can have a conversation.

I can read phonetically Greek, Russian and Ukrainian (side-effects of my conversion to Orthodoxy) and I hope to learn at least one of those fluently in the future.

I can play reading basic Latin as well.

I had some basic lessons of Japanese but forgot most of it. When my nissei friend says some sentences I understand the most basic phrases.

I'm not too keen of made-up languages like Quenya or Esperanto.

I know Cobol, RPG, and I'm learning Java.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Clancy Boy on January 06, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
I'm learning Chinese this semester at college. Beautiful language!! ;D

Yay!  I always wanted to learn Chinese.  It is beautiful and very subtle.

Chinese?  Beautiful?

If you say so  :D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Dimitrios-Georgios on January 06, 2011, 11:10:37 AM
Native language is Greek, but I am also fluent in English, French and have some knowledge of German.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Alpo on January 06, 2011, 11:26:51 AM
I'm a little jealous for those of you who have English as your native language. It must be useful to have Lingua franca of practically the whole World as your birthright.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: orthonorm on January 06, 2011, 03:41:55 PM
I'm a little jealous for those of you who have English as your native language. It must be useful to have Lingua franca of practically the whole World as your birthright.

I always get a kick of hearing English as the lingua franca of the world. An Italian phrase to call English Frankish.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: orthonorm on January 06, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language.  
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
I disagree, Latin American Spanish is much clearer than Iberian Spanish. Yet I converse with with friends from Spain all the time and we understand  each other perfectly. They are not dialects. It is like American English and British English, same difference. Different ways of expressing oneself but it is the same language, Castilian.
I am not sure what is meant by the term dialect. for example, isn't standard American English a dialect of the English language?

No. What a dialect is, is controversial. Check out wikipedia per usual.

I can speak and write standard "High German" and standard "Austrian". There are small differences. I can speak Salzburgerisch. It is a dialect. Its grammar, lexicon, etc. is very different from either of the above. It is a regional manner of speech held over from Middle High German. Speaking Salzburgerish around a buncha Germans other than those from Bayern (Bayerisch is similar) they will understand next to nill. Likewise, if my friends and I travel to Vorarlberg we will understand very little of their dialect.

Often what English speakers call "dialect" is nothing other than their standard language peppered with regionalisms.

For a good example of true English dialect see Cockney, when being unforgiving to outsiders in their speech, they are almost nearly impossible to understand by other English speakers.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Dylan Michael on February 14, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
I can do spanish pretty well.
I should, after four years of High School Spanish.
I used to study Romanian, but I stopped. I'm wanting to start again, as it's a beautiful language.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Rufus on February 14, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
English (apparently). German (lots of fun!)

I know Koine, but I think we're just talking about spoken languages here.

Also French, but only good enough to read...never got the opportunity to develop aural skills in French.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: stanley123 on February 15, 2011, 03:48:43 AM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language.  
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
I disagree, Latin American Spanish is much clearer than Iberian Spanish. Yet I converse with with friends from Spain all the time and we understand  each other perfectly. They are not dialects. It is like American English and British English, same difference. Different ways of expressing oneself but it is the same language, Castilian.
I am not sure what is meant by the term dialect. for example, isn't standard American English a dialect of the English language?

No. What a dialect is, is controversial. Check out wikipedia per usual.
I find that  wikipedia states point blank that standard American English may be said to be a standard dialect of the English language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: orthonorm on February 15, 2011, 01:49:51 PM
I'm another one that loves languages.  I'd like to learn Latin (more than the ecclesiastical Latin I learned in school) and Greek, for starters.  And, although I'm fluent in Portuguese and it is my first language, I'd like to perfect my vocabulary skills.  :)

Can I ask you then, how alike are Portuguese and Spanish? I've never known if they're quite close or more distant, like French and Italian?

I've heard people speaking Portuguese and it sounded beautiful though  :)


Liz, here, where I live (a small college town in Mississippi, USA), I know a woman from Brazil (of course a native Portuguese speaker) who married a man from Puerto Rico (of course a native Spanish speaker). She says that it took them some time to adjust to each other when they were dating, so that they even had to use some English to clarify their points. But now, when it's been a good number of years and they have two kids, they understand each other very well when each of them speaks his/her own language.  
I have family and friends from Brazil.  There is a vast difference between Portuguese spoken in Portugal and Portuguese spoken in Brazil.  And, the Spanish spoken in Puerto Rico is significantly different from Spanish spoken in Spain or even Mexico.  Both are dialects of the mother tongue and use slang abundantly.  That slang has become part of the vernacular.  I can truly say, it is easier for me to understand Spanish than it is to understand Brazilian Portuguese.  And, unless my Puerto Rican friends slow down their Spanish and pronounce all the letters in their words (which they often don't), then all is lost.  ;D
I disagree, Latin American Spanish is much clearer than Iberian Spanish. Yet I converse with with friends from Spain all the time and we understand  each other perfectly. They are not dialects. It is like American English and British English, same difference. Different ways of expressing oneself but it is the same language, Castilian.
I am not sure what is meant by the term dialect. for example, isn't standard American English a dialect of the English language?

No. What a dialect is, is controversial. Check out wikipedia per usual.
I find that  wikipedia states point blank that standard American English may be said to be a standard dialect of the English language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect


wikipedia is hardly the end of discussion on the matter of any subject. If you do read the article and the appropriate linked articles, you will find that it states the definition of "dialect" is a matter of controversy.

You will see some of my ideas of what dialect means to me in my posts above.

The fact that a region of America calls a can of Coca-Cola a soda, another a pop, another, a coke, etc. does not a dialect make.

I really don't care enough to continue this debate.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: celticfan1888 on July 31, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
What languages do we all speak?  Vote for what you speak/write in passably (not necessarily fluently).  May vote for as many languages/categories as you speak.

Norwegian (so I can understand a good bit of Swedish and Danish), a tad bit of Welsh, and obviously English.  :police:
Title: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: JorgenThorbjørnsen on October 19, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
I am fluent in: Swedish, Norwegian, English, Greek (in that order of fluidity)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 01:36:35 PM
Danish and english. I can understand and communicate with norwegians and swedes and then I speak a little german and spanish.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 19, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: WeldeMikael on October 19, 2012, 01:40:39 PM
French (mother tongue)
Proficient in English, Spanish, good knowledge of Portuguese.  :D
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Asteriktos on October 19, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
English
Pennsylvanian
.... that's it  :'(
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: choy on October 19, 2012, 01:43:25 PM
English and Filipino
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 19, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Fabio Leite on October 19, 2012, 01:56:27 PM
Portuguese (Mother-Tongue), English (Second Language), Spanish (Intermmediate), French (basic for speaking, intermmediate for reading). With some struggle I can understand Italian and, even less efficiently, Latin. Will learn Modern and Koine Greek at some point.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Fabio Leite on October 19, 2012, 01:57:23 PM
French (mother tongue)
Proficient in English, Spanish, good knowledge of Portuguese.  :D

Isso é bem incomum. :) Um brinde à língua de Camões! :)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Alpo on October 19, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Pretty much just Finnish, English and passive Swedish. I've forgotten just about everything I learnt about German, Latin and Koire Greek.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Awesome :)
I plan to learn latin and ancient greek at the University.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 19, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Awesome :)
I plan to learn latin and ancient greek at the University.

If you need any help with it don't hesitate to ask me for help.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: celticfan1888 on October 19, 2012, 02:03:59 PM
Norwegian, English, German, Spanish, and (some) Icelandic. I can also understand/communicate with Swedes and Danes since Norwegian is mutually intelligible with Swedish and Danish.

Currently learning Cantonese.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: sheenj on October 19, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
In order of fluency:

1. English (Primary language since I was six)
2. Malayalam (My first language, but not my most fluent)
3. French (I can read and speak fairly well, but my listening comprehension sucks)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 19, 2012, 02:05:25 PM
Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: JamesRottnek on October 19, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
I am fluent in: Swedish, Norwegian, English, Greek (in that order of fluidity)

I am fluent in English and can recognize when I'm being cursed at by Mexicans.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: celticfan1888 on October 19, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

Vamrat knows Afrikaans, so that is kind of like Dutch. :laugh:
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 02:07:43 PM
Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

Maybe I should learn it. People on television are always talking about how danish is so similar to dutch.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: genesisone on October 19, 2012, 02:08:59 PM
English (first language); reasonably fluent in French and Spanish; studied a bit of Italian; studied Latin and Greek long enough ago that they were scarcely ancient languages  ;D; when I was in Paraguay I learned enough Guaraní as I told my friends "to know when you're talking about me" (I did catch them a couple of times :D), also while in Paraguay accustomed my ear to Brazilian Portuguese, though I've lost most of that now, but can generally make sense of what I read because of my knowledge of related languages.

Time to learn another - I hear it's good for sexagenarians to do so before we start to lose our mem
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Alpo on October 19, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

It's a Calvinist language and thus there's no use for it. Even if one understood what Calvinists are talking about it would still be gibberish.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cantor Krishnich on October 19, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
English (fluent/first language), Punjabi (limited fluency), French (a little from school), Dari/Afghan Persian (little), Urdu-Hindi (little), also a tiny bit of Greek from school.

I also have an interest in Russian, Arabic, Pashto, Italian and Greek (I might dabble into those latter in life). 
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Dominika on October 19, 2012, 02:35:12 PM
Serbian (the closest language to my heart) and of course Croatian, Bosnian etc. ;)
Polish (this one I'm most fluent in)
English
Spanish (bilingual section in High School)
Some Ukrainian
I understand quite well Russian, but unfortunately I don't speak it (I hope one day...)

I would love to study Arabic (I know writting and reading, some basic grammar and words) at the Warsaw University.
Now I'm learning Church Slavonic.
I used to study Hindi and German, but as for the first one, I know only how to read and write it and very basic things, as for the second one - I remember only a few sentences.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Fabio Leite on October 19, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
English (first language); reasonably fluent in French and Spanish; studied a bit of Italian; studied Latin and Greek long enough ago that they were scarcely ancient languages  ;D; when I was in Paraguay I learned enough Guaraní as I told my friends "to know when you're talking about me" (I did catch them a couple of times :D), also while in Paraguay accustomed my ear to Brazilian Portuguese, though I've lost most of that now, but can generally make sense of what I read because of my knowledge of related languages.

Time to learn another - I hear it's good for sexagenarians to do so before we start to lose our mem

Two in the same day who can understand Portuguese? It seems the language is gaining quite a following recently. :)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 02:51:21 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Awesome :)
I plan to learn latin and ancient greek at the University.

If you need any help with it don't hesitate to ask me for help.
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cantor Krishnich on October 19, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
English (first language); reasonably fluent in French and Spanish; studied a bit of Italian; studied Latin and Greek long enough ago that they were scarcely ancient languages  ;D; when I was in Paraguay I learned enough Guaraní as I told my friends "to know when you're talking about me" (I did catch them a couple of times :D), also while in Paraguay accustomed my ear to Brazilian Portuguese, though I've lost most of that now, but can generally make sense of what I read because of my knowledge of related languages.

Time to learn another - I hear it's good for sexagenarians to do so before we start to lose our mem

Two in the same day who can understand Portuguese? It seems the language is gaining quite a following recently. :)

I have 6 friends from Brazil and they taught me a little Portuguese (mostly just how to swear/curse in Portuguese...but I didnt want to say that on a religious forum  :angel:. 
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: WeldeMikael on October 19, 2012, 03:21:57 PM
English (first language); reasonably fluent in French and Spanish; studied a bit of Italian; studied Latin and Greek long enough ago that they were scarcely ancient languages  ;D; when I was in Paraguay I learned enough Guaraní as I told my friends "to know when you're talking about me" (I did catch them a couple of times :D), also while in Paraguay accustomed my ear to Brazilian Portuguese, though I've lost most of that now, but can generally make sense of what I read because of my knowledge of related languages.

Time to learn another - I hear it's good for sexagenarians to do so before we start to lose our mem

Two in the same day who can understand Portuguese? It seems the language is gaining quite a following recently. :)

It's because of my origins, for me  ;D
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Fabio Leite on October 19, 2012, 03:30:47 PM
Maybe we should try to bring life to the Portuguese Language Thread of the Foreign Languages Forum:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,27269.0.html

English (first language); reasonably fluent in French and Spanish; studied a bit of Italian; studied Latin and Greek long enough ago that they were scarcely ancient languages  ;D; when I was in Paraguay I learned enough Guaraní as I told my friends "to know when you're talking about me" (I did catch them a couple of times :D), also while in Paraguay accustomed my ear to Brazilian Portuguese, though I've lost most of that now, but can generally make sense of what I read because of my knowledge of related languages.

Time to learn another - I hear it's good for sexagenarians to do so before we start to lose our mem

Two in the same day who can understand Portuguese? It seems the language is gaining quite a following recently. :)

It's because of my origins, for me  ;D

Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Alpo on October 19, 2012, 03:31:47 PM
I would love to study Arabic

+ 1
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: dzheremi on October 19, 2012, 03:43:13 PM
English and Spanish: I was raised with both thanks to school and family and friends, though English is primary since it's the only language either of my parents spoke (my father's mother was from Mexico but never taught him or his brother the language, but she taught me after my mother decided to place me in a Spanish-speaking kindergarten...ahhhhh, ex-hippie moms and their horizon-expanding can have its upsides).

Russian: I was relatively high-functioning/high-intermediate fluency at one point after about 6 years of study, but have lost most of it by now due to being out of a Russian-speaking environment for the past half-decade. But if I listen to songs for a while, or watch "Ironiya Sud'by" or old Cheburashka cartoons or something, it starts coming back after a while.

Arabic: I only took one year of classes, about five years ago now, but has been increasing lately (albeit passively/from being spoken to, rather than speaking very much myself) thanks to church.

There are many others I've dabbled with in my linguistics work, e.g., took a seminar course as an undergad on Lithuanian and Proto-Indo-European which involved learning enough Lithuanian to read the 1547 Mazvydas catechism -- the first Lithuanian printed book ever -- without a dictionary or other help. It's neat how quickly that came together; within two weeks, we were reading and translating from the original. Of course, today I only remember the words for "hello" and "eggs", but if it was that quick the first time...  :)
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 19, 2012, 03:50:05 PM
I would love to study Arabic

+ 1

+2
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Ansgar on October 19, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
I would love to study Arabic

+ 1

+2
+3
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Orthodox11 on October 19, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
Norwegian, English, conversational Greek.

Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

It's basically a mix of English, German and Danish with lots of gutterals thrown in. I can get the gist of what is being said when I've heard Dutch on TV, but I have to really concentrate.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: William on October 19, 2012, 11:43:01 PM
English and slow Spanish.

Sometimes I can piece together the Latins or Italians.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: William on October 19, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Awesome :)
I plan to learn latin and ancient greek at the University.

If you need any help with it don't hesitate to ask me for help.

Cyrillic, sit mihi dux.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: orthonorm on October 19, 2012, 11:47:17 PM
slow Spanish.

Now THIS is a language I have never heard!
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: TheMathematician on October 19, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

Vamrat knows Afrikaans, so that is kind of like Dutch. :laugh:

I'm slowly learning Afrikaans, ill get there someday soon(hopefully ill learn it before i need it)

Im als fluent in English and French. My home language is English, but I travel as a francophone on buses and outside of my home.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: jmbejdl on October 22, 2012, 03:16:46 AM
English is my first language, I speak Romanian pretty fluently and used to speak German fluently though it's rusty from lack of use. I also speak a little Czech and some Plattdeutsch (the latter because of an interest in my ancestors, not because it's actually very useful).

James
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Cyrillic on October 22, 2012, 10:44:33 AM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.

Are you fluent in ancient greek and latin or do you just know it?

I can read whole pages of greek and latin without dictionary the same way I could read a french newspaper. Especially in Latin, I learned it since I was 11 and have been doing it pretty extensively ever since.
Awesome :)
I plan to learn latin and ancient greek at the University.

If you need any help with it don't hesitate to ask me for help.

Cyrillic, sit mihi dux.

Scisne latinam linguam?
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: JorgenThorbjørnsen on October 22, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
Norwegian, English, conversational Greek.

Why does nobody speak or learn dutch? Is outrage!

It's basically a mix of English, German and Danish with lots of gutterals thrown in. I can get the gist of what is being said when I've heard Dutch on TV, but I have to really concentrate.

Same here.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Papist on October 22, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
Dutch
English
French
Ancient Greek
Latin

Not in order of fluency, btw.
Extremely impressive!
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Papist on October 22, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
English is my first language, I speak Romanian pretty fluently and used to speak German fluently though it's rusty from lack of use. I also speak a little Czech and some Plattdeutsch (the latter because of an interest in my ancestors, not because it's actually very useful).

James
Wow. I really need to catch with all of you.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: celticfan1888 on October 22, 2012, 08:05:01 PM
I can get the gist of what is being said when I've heard Dutch on TV, but I have to really concentrate.

I can as well. I actually can make out about 70% of spoken Dutch.
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: JorgenThorbjørnsen on October 23, 2012, 10:37:02 AM
I can get the gist of what is being said when I've heard Dutch on TV, but I have to really concentrate.

I can as well. I actually can make out about 70% of spoken Dutch.

Probably because you know Norwegian, English, and German. lol
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: celticfan1888 on November 16, 2012, 11:43:29 PM
I'm slowly learning "Ebonics".
Title: Re: What languages does OC.net speak?
Post by: Frederic on November 17, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
French, English, Russian (fluent)

Norwegian, German (not fluent)

Latin, Ancient Greek (not fluent in reading)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 17, 2012, 03:47:40 PM
I'm somewhat fluent in a number of languages:  C#, C++, C, Java, Binary, Perl, PHP, etc. ;D
Add Python to the mix. (Appropriate that the default Python editor is called IDLE, though I haven't seen another Python tool named Cleese or Palin. :()
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Ebor on November 18, 2012, 11:50:50 AM
I'm somewhat fluent in a number of languages:  C#, C++, C, Java, Binary, Perl, PHP, etc. ;D
Add Python to the mix. (Appropriate that the default Python editor is called IDLE, though I haven't seen another Python tool named Cleese or Palin. :()

I need more coffee, I think.  My first thought was "he's a parseltongue?"

 ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: WPM on November 18, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
British English,Canadian English,American English,Aussie English etc ...
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: mike on November 18, 2012, 03:35:18 PM
Podlachian (you can describe it as a mixture of Ukrainian and Belarusian with minor other elements (Polish and Russian)), Belarusian and Polish - native or hardly native
English - I hope I speak it quite well
Ukrainian and Russian - well to understand speech, not very hard to read, can't say anything :P
I also studied German but I can say not much except from Ich bin nicht vorbereitet.

and Church Slavonic a bit

I also should add C, C++, and BASCOM.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 18, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
I'm somewhat fluent in a number of languages:  C#, C++, C, Java, Binary, Perl, PHP, etc. ;D
Add Python to the mix. (Appropriate that the default Python editor is called IDLE, though I haven't seen another Python tool named Cleese or Palin. :()

I need more coffee, I think.  My first thought was "he's a parseltongue?"

 ;D
Yeah, that was my thought, too, before I really started using Python. "Why name a programming language after a big snake?" I realize now that the language is named after the son of a hamster. ;D
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: macclesfieldfan1990 on November 22, 2012, 02:37:13 AM
Fluent English, Semi-Fluent Welsh, and Fairly-Fluent Spanish.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Tommelomsky on April 16, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Norwegian, decent English and decent Swedish.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: pmpn8rGPT on April 19, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
English, Irish, Hebrew, a little Bantu.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: thetraditionalfrog on April 19, 2013, 02:31:31 PM
I speak English (US and UK), Serbian, Russian, and some German and French. I also took a Hebrew language course several years back.
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Post by: Severian on May 09, 2013, 03:10:53 AM
Lol. I feel like such a slacker compared to so many of you.

I speak English (native) and Egyptian Arabic (advanced proficiently to fluently, depending on how you define these terms).

I can understand modern standard Arabic pretty well and a little Spanish.

Languages I hope to learn in the future include MS/Classical Arabic, Koine Greek, and Bohairic Coptic.
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Post by: Alpo on May 09, 2013, 05:11:14 AM
I speak English (native) and Egyptian Arabic (advanced proficiently to fluently, depending on how you define these terms).

But Egyptian Arabic is not your native language? I thought you were bilingual.
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Post by: Arachne on May 09, 2013, 06:30:12 AM
I'm a native Greek speaker, with UK English an acquired second language. I also speak fluent French and Spanish and decent Italian (including a substratum of Latin), although all are relatively rusty now.

My Russian, Japanese, Gaelic, Sanskrit and Portuguese never advanced beyond dabbler level.
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Post by: DuxI on May 09, 2013, 06:52:16 AM
My native language is Macedonian. I speak English well and little German.
I also understand Serbian, Bulgarian and Croatian, but i can not speak properly. :-[
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Post by: Severian on May 09, 2013, 08:43:18 AM
I speak English (native) and Egyptian Arabic (advanced proficiently to fluently, depending on how you define these terms).

But Egyptian Arabic is not your native language? I thought you were bilingual.
Nope. I was born and raised in the US. My Egyptian Arabic is almost as good as my English. Which is why I would like to think I can get away with being called "bilingual."

Technically, I learned Egyptian Arabic before I learned English (as a toddler), but being that I live in an English-speaking country, my English naturally surpassed my Arabic.
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Post by: Ancilla Domini on May 09, 2013, 08:54:41 AM
I speak English, French, Italian, Spanish, and German, more or less in that order. I can read Latin. And I'm learning Portuguese, Modern Greek, and Turkish.
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Post by: Servos on May 10, 2013, 07:56:25 PM
I speak English, French, Italian, Spanish, and German, more or less in that order. I can read Latin. And I'm learning Portuguese, Modern Greek, and Turkish.

(http://www.pouke.org/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/algabacaju.gif)
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Post by: Tommelomsky on May 10, 2013, 08:24:03 PM
Hope in the future to learn: Russian and Church slavonic.
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Post by: WPM on May 10, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
English
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Post by: Antonis on May 12, 2013, 01:36:20 AM
English, Chinese, and Koine Greek      :)
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Post by: celticfan1888 on July 07, 2013, 10:15:55 AM
Learned/ing some Punjabi from my Sikh friend.
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Post by: KostaC on November 12, 2014, 11:23:27 PM
Greeklish was my first language; it was only at the age of three that my Mother was advised to stop speaking Greek to me so that I could learn English quicker than I was at the time. What a mistake that was, ach... I picked it back up at 13 and I haven't looked back since. I'm just happy that one of only a handful of schools in the US that offers Greek is only a mile away from me; I've been a consortium student there for three years now.

I was forced to learn Spanish in high school; I say "forced" because my Father thought Ancient Greek/Latin, and French were useless, so he covered my mouth before I could yell "Ancient Greek & Latin!" to the teacher assigned to help me pick my classes the March before I started high school. I resented being forced into a language, so after I served my four years, I purposely let my Spanish slip. Now my good friend got me started on Duolingo to relearn Spanish. We'll see how long I last with this app!

I picked up Portuguese from a teacher at my high school and tried to self-teach myself with a book. I had no one to talk to other than rare passerbies, so it didn't go anywhere. I pick up bits of Ukrainian and Russian at my parish. My Ukrainian priest greets me with "kaliméra, Kosta mou, ti káneis!" and I greet him with "Pryvít, Otče, kak delá!" I keep telling myself to learn Irish, but I haven't learned more than a "cúpla focal" (God, I felt so cheesy writing that). I want to learn Cantonese and I pester a friend of mine all the time to tell me how to say this or that in Cantonese, but all I've retained are the bad things. There was a time in my life when I wanted to learn Turkish and I did try for a few months, but eh. Arabic, too. These days I content myself with picking up Persian from two friends of mine and the professor of my class on Shia Islam. I probably know more Persian than Irish these days: vay Khoda! I also use more Yiddish than you'd think your average Greek American would know, and I've picked up some German from my roommate.

After going through my list, I have come to the conclusion that the thing I lack in life in commitment.
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Post by: Ger on April 01, 2015, 06:53:24 PM
Hello to all!

I speak English (1st language), Hebrew, German, and a little bit of Spanish.
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Post by: Alxandra on April 01, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
English, Greek and a little French
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Post by: Pravoslavac on April 01, 2015, 07:49:55 PM
Serbian, Church-Slavonic, English, and little German.
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Post by: Musashi on October 03, 2015, 04:10:22 AM
I speak fluently only in Japanese.
I have been taking English course since last month.
My target is to be able make arguments and good discussions in this forum especially with  Peter the Aleut and Sam G.  ;)
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Post by: Tommelomsky on October 09, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
Norwegian (my native tongue) and english fluently.
I can speak and being understood in danish and swedish too. I understand both languages perfectly
(it is amazing what TV can do for kids).

Hope to learn russian and church slavonic (if God wills it).
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Post by: RaphaCam on December 12, 2017, 10:11:26 PM
Native Portuguese, very fluent English and Spanish. I can read and write German and French fluently, but my hearing is average and my speaking isn't that great. I've learned Greek, Galician, Latin and Esperanto to variable degrees and have gapped yet useful skills on all of them. I'm currently trying to get formal education in Spanish without having to go through unnecessarily expensive courses and to improve my German and Greek.
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Post by: MariaJLM on December 13, 2017, 02:20:14 PM
I can speak English. Boring, I know, lol. However, I can read about five others: German, Italian, Romanian, Ukrainian, and Russian. Out of the five German is probably the one I'm most comfortable with, followed by Ukrainian as it's common in my parish(we do bilingual services). I'm a singer in my parish too so that helps me pick up the language and how it sounds.
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Post by: Dominika on December 13, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
Serbian (the closest language to my heart) and of course Croatian, Bosnian etc. ;)
Polish (this one I'm most fluent in)
English
Spanish (bilingual section in High School)
Some Ukrainian
I understand quite well Russian, but unfortunately I don't speak it (I hope one day...)

I would love to study Arabic (I know writting and reading, some basic grammar and words) at the Warsaw University.
Now I'm learning Church Slavonic.
I used to study Hindi and German, but as for the first one, I know only how to read and write it and very basic things, as for the second one - I remember only a few sentences.

An update after 5 years:
I'm finishing the last (5th) year of Arabic studies at university, so I know MSA + some basics of Egyptian dialect;
I know some Farsi (Persian) - I was studying it for 2 years, but I need some practice and it's impossible here in Poland;
I can read Greek koine and Latin and understand something:
for 3 months I've been learning Romanian.
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Post by: RaphaCam on December 13, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
I know some Farsi (Persian) - I was studying it for 2 years, but I need some practice and it's impossible here in Poland;
Have you ever looked into language exchange websites like italki or My Language Exchange? Livemocha was the thing when I first tried to learn languages by myself, but I think it's paid now.
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Post by: Dominika on December 13, 2017, 03:14:39 PM
I know some Farsi (Persian) - I was studying it for 2 years, but I need some practice and it's impossible here in Poland;
Have you ever looked into language exchange websites like italki or My Language Exchange? Livemocha was the thing when I first tried to learn languages by myself, but I think it's paid now.

No, but mabye I should :) ; anyway, practice means also talking and it's something different via computer or phone (frankly speaking, I don't have and even don't with to have computer camera, and I hate speaking via phone in every language :P) than in person.
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Post by: RaphaCam on December 13, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
Yeah, it's not the same as learning Arabic in France, Spanish in Brazil or any language in New York (language learner's paradise), but to me it helps a lot. I hate talking on the phone, but I've found it necessary to hit Skype sometimes to improve skills.
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Post by: William T on December 13, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
I was born speaking Arabic,  but that's almost all gone.   English is my home language.   I can speak very bad Arabic and French,  it would probably take me a good year of practice in each to get anywhere near where I was.   The sane is true with classic Greek.

At my height in Arabic I was probably as good at speaking it as a slow witted 5 year old (I've never been able to read Arabic).  My French was probably as good as an eight year old (I can still read French to a degree, and I'll still read an English and French text side by side of something was originally in French), and in muy prime I could comfortably slow  read large sections of Koine Greek and Classic Greek (Again,  on occasion I'll use the Greek text next to the English if I can, but my skills aren't as good as my French).   Again,  my comprehending  these languages are mostly gone now and would take practice. Use it or loose it,  and within the past decade my need for use in any of it has sadly diminished.
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Post by: Ainnir on December 13, 2017, 05:34:11 PM
Speak?  English, more or less.   :angel:  I could probably still read a little Spanish, but trying to speak it anymore would probably be offensive.
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Post by: BrotherInChrist on May 13, 2018, 12:08:10 AM
In addition to obviously being an English speaker, I know some French from college.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 13, 2018, 12:38:11 AM
English
Pennsylvanian
.... that's it  :'(
Wait, you're Pennsylvanian "Dutch"?
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Post by: Asteriktos on May 13, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
Nah, it's just English
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Post by: Volnutt on May 13, 2018, 12:48:27 AM
Two semesters of German. Give me a while and I can fake my way through a text, but it won't be pretty.
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Post by: WPM on May 13, 2018, 11:55:01 AM
Speak?  English, more or less.   :angel:  I could probably still read a little Spanish, but trying to speak it anymore would probably be offensive.

You sound like Snob.
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Post by: Asteriktos on May 13, 2018, 12:29:54 PM
Speak?  English, more or less.   :angel:  I could probably still read a little Spanish, but trying to speak it anymore would probably be offensive.

You sound like Snob.

So English is not your native language?  8)
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Post by: WPM on May 13, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
Speak?  English, more or less.   :angel:  I could probably still read a little Spanish, but trying to speak it anymore would probably be offensive.

You sound like Snob.

So English is not your native language?  8)

Did you not try to pull this off a long time ago? The language is English.
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Post by: Anthony1986 on May 14, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
My native language is Mandarin Chinese. I speak English fluently.

I also speak Taiwanese. In addition, I can speak Cantonese.

My Spanish level is intermediate.
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Post by: juliogb on May 14, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
My native languages are portuguese and spanish, Im still learning english.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 14, 2018, 12:46:53 PM
My native language is Mandarin Chinese. I speak English fluently.

I also speak Taiwanese. In addition, I can speak Cantonese.

My Spanish level is intermediate.
Wow! Tell me: Chinese people usually know more than one "dialect"?
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Post by: Anthony1986 on May 14, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
My native language is Mandarin Chinese. I speak English fluently.

I also speak Taiwanese. In addition, I can speak Cantonese.

My Spanish level is intermediate.
Wow! Tell me: Chinese people usually know more than one "dialect"?

 ;D Well I am Taiwanese. I am from Taiwan. Most of people in Taiwan speak Mandarin and Taiwanese. Mandarin is more useful than Taiwanese. Just like Spanish is more useful than Catalan.

I watch lots of TV shows from Hong Kong and have many Cantonese friends so I can speak Cantonese.

Most of Chinese people I met from Northern China only speak Mandarin. However, people from Southern China generally speak more than one "dialect".

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Post by: Iconodule on May 14, 2018, 03:10:56 PM
My mom was Chinese-Malaysian. Her native dialect was Hokkien but she could speak Mandarin and Cantonese. Nowadays all the kids over there are speaking Mandarin more and more and Hokkien might die out.
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
The death of a language always makes me sad.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 14, 2018, 03:48:11 PM
Hokkien has tens of millions of speakers, so it's hard to imagine it dying out... Anyway, number of speakers and vividity of a language aren't always correlated. There are many Native American or African languages with less than a thousand speakers, but with a good age balance and widespread monolingualism (the extremely fascinating Pirahã is an example), these won't die out at all. But then compare those with Italian, French and German "dialects" with hundreds of thousands or even millions of speakers, but most of them old, practically all bilingual with their respective roof languages, and general society not even recognising their language as an autonomous one!

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a hundred years some of these ancient European languages had less speakers than, say, Pirahã. Maybe the same is true to some Chinese "dialects". An example of this possibly happening is how the Pomeranian language is rapidly dying out in Europe due to bilingualism, dialect-shaming and other social factors, while isolate communities of descendants of ancient migrations in Brazil preserve it lively. I've stayed in a Pomeranian-Brazilian household, they didn't speak it (curiously, they used it to quote elders when telling stories) and didn't even teach it to their younger child since they're urban, but people back in their hometown one hour away still spoke it as a daily language).

I put dialect between quotation marks because many will be doubtlessly regarded as autonomous languages in analytical definitions. Low Saxon, for instance, is considered to be a Dutch dialect in the Netherlands and a German dialect in Germany, but it's actually closer to English than either to Dutch or German! As goes the Jewish saying, a language is a dialect without an army or a fleet.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 14, 2018, 04:00:08 PM
As goes the Jewish saying, a language is a dialect with an army and a fleet.
Fixed.
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Post by: Iconodule on May 14, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Oh, I'm sure Hokkien will still be spoken in many places; I imagine in Fujian and Taiwan it will be alright.  The problem is that Hokkien itself has localized dialects, some of which don't seem to have much future. In Malaysia, there are different Hokkien pockets with their own distinguishing characteristics, and they seem to be dying out. Of course Hokkien phrases will continue as they are used in Manglish, but overall the kids are learning Mandarin in school and their parents are speaking this to them mostly at home; even older people conversing amongst themselves use more and more Mandarin. There is a facebook page devoted to preserving Penang Hokkien and you can tell they are fighting an uphill battle.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 14, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
How do they use their particular variety so distinctively in written media? Latin transcription? Otherwise, won't it look almost the same like Mandarin?
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
So, how much linguistic relativity do you think the existence of Pirahã proves? I'm guessing Daniel Everett takes it way too far. But the idea of being part of a culture that sees no need for counting past two or having actual words for colors is still pretty mind-blowing to me, though.
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Post by: Iconodule on May 14, 2018, 04:15:17 PM
They usually use Chinese characters but it wouldn't necessarily be written the same as in Mandarin. A lot of similar phrases are said using different words/ characters. For instance, the standard Mandarin "How are you?" is Ni hao ma 你好吗 but in Hokkien you'll more likely say Li ho bo and written 你好無, which is more like "Are you good or not?" But a lot of this would depend on context and who you're talking to. And yes, I do see some of my cousins using Latin text too and sprinkling a lot of random English words too.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 14, 2018, 04:21:21 PM
So, how much linguistic relativity do you think the existence of Pirahã proves? I'm guessing Daniel Everett takes it way too far. But the idea of being part of a culture that sees no need for counting past two or having actual words for colors is still pretty mind-blowing to me, though.
A lot, IMHO. I'm all for soft linguistic relativity, but the hard line that our language limits our learning is way off there to me. For a silly example, I didn't bother about the difference between deep blue and cyan before shuffling through some Russian-learning material, but after I learned they have mutually excludent words for each of these (I mean, in English and other languages you can call a cyan thing "blue" if you're not a painter or anything, but in Russian, something is either cyan - sinyj - or blue - goluboj), I learned a new concept quickly without being a Russian speaker. You probably could teach a Pirahã how to count or how to paint.

They usually use Chinese characters but it wouldn't necessarily be written the same as in Mandarin. A lot of similar phrases are said using different words/ characters. For instance, the standard Mandarin "How are you?" is Ni hao ma 你好吗 but in Hokkien you'll more likely say Li ho bo and written 你好無, which is more like "Are you good or not?" But a lot of this would depend on context and who you're talking to. And yes, I do see some of my cousins using Latin text too and sprinkling a lot of random English words too.
Oh, interesting. Sometimes some Arabic dialects are written in Latin text too, to make the distinctions more obvious. Some Lebanese and Egyptians considered make this an official thing in the past. Worked well for Malta.  :P
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Post by: Iconodule on May 14, 2018, 04:31:32 PM
When people are asking each other, "What's the Hokkien word for 'X'" they'll typically give the Chinese character and then spell it out with Latin letters. There are a couple of systems for writing out various Chinese languages in Latin script, Pinyin being the dominant one now for Mandarin. There is also a modern Chinese alphabetic system called Bopomofo which can be used to transliterate Mandarin and other dialects but it doesn't seem to be replacing the standard characters any time soon.
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 04:38:21 PM
What are the advantages of Bopomofo over Pinyin? I mean, Wade-Giles needed replacing, but Pinyin has since been adopted by the ISO. Is it just a Taiwanese political thing?
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 04:43:10 PM
So, how much linguistic relativity do you think the existence of Pirahã proves? I'm guessing Daniel Everett takes it way too far. But the idea of being part of a culture that sees no need for counting past two or having actual words for colors is still pretty mind-blowing to me, though.
A lot, IMHO. I'm all for soft linguistic relativity, but the hard line that our language limits our learning is way off there to me. For a silly example, I didn't bother about the difference between deep blue and cyan before shuffling through some Russian-learning material, but after I learned they have mutually excludent words for each of these (I mean, in English and other languages you can call a cyan thing "blue" if you're not a painter or anything, but in Russian, something is either cyan - sinyj - or blue - goluboj), I learned a new concept quickly without being a Russian speaker. You probably could teach a Pirahã how to count or how to paint.

Yeah, it seems like a lot of it is "we don't really care to learn this" and thus it's hard for them, not "we can't learn this." It seems like the older folks mostly just treated Everett's counting classes as a place to socialize whereas the kids actually picked it up a little.

Now that there's Portuguese-speaking schools for them, I wonder how much the language will change. Or maybe it will just pick up a bunch of loan words.
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Post by: Iconodule on May 14, 2018, 04:43:49 PM
I don't know the Bopomofo system myself but I'm told that it represents the sounds with more nuance and accuracy than Pinyin.
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
Hokkien has tens of millions of speakers, so it's hard to imagine it dying out... Anyway, number of speakers and vividity of a language aren't always correlated. There are many Native American or African languages with less than a thousand speakers, but with a good age balance and widespread monolingualism (the extremely fascinating Pirahã is an example), these won't die out at all. But then compare those with Italian, French and German "dialects" with hundreds of thousands or even millions of speakers, but most of them old, practically all bilingual with their respective roof languages, and general society not even recognising their language as an autonomous one!

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a hundred years some of these ancient European languages had less speakers than, say, Pirahã. Maybe the same is true to some Chinese "dialects". An example of this possibly happening is how the Pomeranian language is rapidly dying out in Europe due to bilingualism, dialect-shaming and other social factors, while isolate communities of descendants of ancient migrations in Brazil preserve it lively. I've stayed in a Pomeranian-Brazilian household, they didn't speak it (curiously, they used it to quote elders when telling stories) and didn't even teach it to their younger child since they're urban, but people back in their hometown one hour away still spoke it as a daily language).

I put dialect between quotation marks because many will be doubtlessly regarded as autonomous languages in analytical definitions. Low Saxon, for instance, is considered to be a Dutch dialect in the Netherlands and a German dialect in Germany, but it's actually closer to English than either to Dutch or German! As goes the Jewish saying, a language is a dialect without an army or a fleet.

Tfw Google image searching "Low Saxon" leads to a really cool chart comparing the names of the days of the week in various languages... then I click on it and end up at a Neo-Nazi blog...
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Post by: Volnutt on May 14, 2018, 04:52:50 PM
I don't know the Bopomofo system myself but I'm told that it represents the sounds with more nuance and accuracy than Pinyin.

Oh, cool.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 15, 2018, 03:34:53 PM
What are the advantages of Bopomofo over Pinyin? I mean, Wade-Giles needed replacing, but Pinyin has since been adopted by the ISO. Is it just a Taiwanese political thing?
Taiwan has always used pinyin, but they used a particular variant until they changed it to the same one as mainland China a few years ago. I have no idea of Chinese, but I've been working in a project to standardise Portuguese Wikipedia transliteration, so I had to learn something about pinyin.

Now that there's Portuguese-speaking schools for them, I wonder how much the language will change. Or maybe it will just pick up a bunch of loan words.
Men there always spoke some Portuguese. They weren't totally isolated anyway: their language has many loans (including, weirdly enough, the whole set of personal pronouns) from the Northern General Language (a Tupi-based creole with influence from many Amazonic languages and Portuguese; now a modern and stable version called Nheengatu is the major language of one medium-sized city, but that's basically it). But, who knows, maybe they eventually get their numbers from Portuguese too?

Tfw Google image searching "Low Saxon" leads to a really cool chart comparing the names of the days of the week in various languages... then I click on it and end up at a Neo-Nazi blog...
LOL! It actually sounds much more like Dutch and German than like English, but the sound laws governing Low Saxon are much nearer to English (specially for consonants), and, in the Middle Ages, Old English, Old Low Saxon and Old Frisian were just one cluster of similar dialects. They use he/se/et for he/she/it, for instance, but an English speaker would have never picked them up in a first contact because it's pronounced so German-like.
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Post by: juliogb on May 16, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
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Men there always spoke some Portuguese. They weren't totally isolated anyway: their language has many loans (including, weirdly enough, the whole set of personal pronouns) from the Northern General Language (a Tupi-based creole with influence from many Amazonic languages and Portuguese; now a modern and stable version called Nheengatu is the major language of one medium-sized city, but that's basically it). But, who knows, maybe they eventually get their numbers from Portuguese too?

I was thinking about Daniel Everett's departure from evangelical christianity (and religion), he faced a culture that lacked enough vocabulary to explain the basic doctrines of his evangelical faith. I wonder if evangelicalism' dependence on intelectual comprehension of a set of doctrines played a role there; maybe a more sacramental christianity, guided towards a set of daily practices (fasting, confession, prayer...) would be more efficient in evangelizing the pirahã.
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Post by: Volnutt on May 16, 2018, 02:07:01 PM
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Men there always spoke some Portuguese. They weren't totally isolated anyway: their language has many loans (including, weirdly enough, the whole set of personal pronouns) from the Northern General Language (a Tupi-based creole with influence from many Amazonic languages and Portuguese; now a modern and stable version called Nheengatu is the major language of one medium-sized city, but that's basically it). But, who knows, maybe they eventually get their numbers from Portuguese too?

I was thinking about Daniel Everett's departure from evangelical christianity (and religion), he faced a culture that lacked enough vocabulary to explain the basic doctrines of his evangelical faith. I wonder if evangelicalism' dependence on intelectual comprehension of a set of doctrines played a role there; maybe a more sacramental christianity, guided towards a set of daily practices (fasting, confession, prayer...) would be more efficient in evangelizing the pirahã.

So, would a hypothetical Orthodox evangelist tell them, "Don't worry about theology, just do these things?" I guess I'd have to read what Everett actually said about them. From what little I understand, the Pirahã don't even really understand the concept of "God" beyond animism.
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Post by: RaphaCam on May 16, 2018, 02:26:18 PM
I was thinking about Daniel Everett's departure from evangelical christianity (and religion), he faced a culture that lacked enough vocabulary to explain the basic doctrines of his evangelical faith. I wonder if evangelicalism' dependence on intelectual comprehension of a set of doctrines played a role there; maybe a more sacramental christianity, guided towards a set of daily practices (fasting, confession, prayer...) would be more efficient in evangelizing the pirahã.
That's really a good point. Also, I really doubt translating the Gospel would be impossible. Of course many words wouldn't exist and no one would write an Orthodox Study Bible in Pirahã, but Biblical storytelling is definitely just as possible as it is possible for them to tell stories about each other. The translator would just need to get as creative as fluent, I guess.

So, would a hypothetical Orthodox evangelist tell them, "Don't worry about theology, just do these things?" I guess I'd have to read what Everett actually said about them. From what little I understand, the Pirahã don't even really understand the concept of "God" beyond animism.
So he should have taught them about God in simple terms and associated with what they already knew as animism for comparison. The Tupians and Guaranis didn't have a clear idea of God either, they couldn't relate to the creator deity Nhanderuvuçú since he was an impersonal energy rather than an animistic entity, so missionaries translated God as Tupã, who was a powerful and more personalish god manifested by thunder, and thus greatly feared and respected by the natives.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Volnutt on May 16, 2018, 03:34:09 PM
Sounds a bit like the Etah (I might be misremembering the name, that class was about five years ago) of the Yup'ik. I should really read up on what the Orthodox missionaries did. Of course, some Yup'ik just syncretize now, the personal Christian God somehow coexists with an impersonal force.

So, did the Tupian and Gurani converts conclude that Nhanderuvuçú was just some kind of aspect of Tupã, or something like or did they just deny the existence of Nhanderuvuçú altogether?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: RaphaCam on May 16, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
If they were converted beyond mere syncretism, I suspect they started ignoring Nhanderuvuçú. He's barely mentioned in primary sources.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Volnutt on May 17, 2018, 12:11:40 AM
I feel like the question is a bit more germane here than just put into the Random thread, but does anybody know which Ethiopic languages use the temherte slaqî and how long it's been around?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Jackson02 on May 17, 2018, 12:27:39 AM
I speak Piglatin.  ::)
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: RaphaCam on May 17, 2018, 01:03:53 AM
I feel like the question is a bit more germane here than just put into the Random thread, but does anybody know which Ethiopic languages use the temherte slaqî and how long it's been around?
I have no idea about Ethiopic languages, but by analogy I bet all might use it. I say this because Amharic is a roof language and I believe there's not regulation or even much tradition for other Ethiopian languages (besides, obviously, Somali). Galician, which is standardised, has a minor punctuation conflict (I say minor because Galicians have a lot of orthography-warring, but this is a subject too long for parentheses) as some insist to use Castillian punctuation (that is, inverted exclamation and interrogation points), which the Royal Galician Academy forbids, but Castillian is a roof language, so...

A random curiosity: Portuguese doesn't use inverted exclamation/interrogation, but one particular author, the great jurist Pontes de Miranda, insisted on using them because he believed they make reading easier and more intuitive. I agree with him, but since I'm not a great jurist, I'd probably look like either a gringo or an idiot if I wrote that way.

P.S.: Just found that on Wikipedia references:

Quote from: Asteraye Tsigie; Berhanu Beyene; Daniel Aberra; Daniel Yacob (1999). "A Roadmap to the Extension of the Ethiopic Writing System Standard Under Unicode and ISO-10646". 15th International Unicode Conference. p. 6
Graphically indistinguishable from U+00A1 (R) Temherte Slaq differs in semantic use in Ethiopia. Temherte Slaq will come at the end of a sentence (vs at the beginning in Spanish use) and is used to indicate an unreal phrase, often sarcastical in editorial cartoons. Temherte Slaq is also important in childrenís literature and in poetic use. Debate is needed among Ethiopian scholars to determine if inverted exclamation mark is acceptable.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Volnutt on May 17, 2018, 02:27:39 AM
Huh. Interesting. I wonder if using it too much cuts down on your ability to recognize subtle ironies, though lol.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: BrotherInChrist on May 17, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
I speak Piglatin.  ::)

Very clever.  :P
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Volnutt on May 19, 2018, 03:12:06 PM
What do you think of this, (http://mentalfloss.com/article/544537/8-untranslatable-words-trip-professional-literary-translators) Rapha?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: RaphaCam on May 19, 2018, 03:48:33 PM
What do you think of this, (http://mentalfloss.com/article/544537/8-untranslatable-words-trip-professional-literary-translators) Rapha?
Bad list. Vorstellung is so simple. Bref and on can be very easily translated, it just won't be an 100% dynamic translation. Hellhörig is very singular, but it doesn't hold a complex concept, so it can be paraphrased. Pan(i) is just classic T-V distinction, which is usually ignored in translating to English. It's funny to know, however, that tertulia (in Portuguese, tertúlia) is such an exclusive Iberian concept.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Volnutt on May 19, 2018, 04:02:12 PM
Yeah, I would just render Pan(i) as "sir/ma'am" or "m'lord/lady."

The confusion over Vorstellung makes me think of other German etymologies like "verstehen" or "es gibt" (I feel like Heidegger's Existentialism could only really have been concocted by a German speaker lol), but those aren't really translation issues per se.

Nunch'i would probably best be rendered as "reading the room" or "empathizing" or something.

A santiguadora sounds to me like the Medieval British idea of the Bedesman (with a bit of influence from generalized "witch woman" practices). But I guess that wouldn't be any clearer to the average reader.

What bothers me most about the article is that these words are from Man Booker nominees, but maybe they were just throwing something out there half-heartedly when they were busy doing a million other things at the same time. I don't know.



So what would be your picks for really hard to translate words?
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: RaphaCam on May 19, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
Yeah, I would just render Pan(i) as "sir/ma'am" or "m'lord/lady."
Sometimes it's just "you". T-V distinction is an interesting thing in Portuguese. Europeans and Africans have a very simply T-V distinction in singular ("tu"/"você"), but none in plural (only "você"), but some dialects in northern Portugal preserved it for plural ("vós"/"você"). Many Brazilian dialects loss "tu", and the ones that kept it, kept it as an extremely informal pronoun (not just a T pronoun, but below that). Therefore, as soon as formal Brazilian Portuguese started to deviate from formal European Portuguese as a standard, we snipped "tu" from formal language. Eventually we started needing a V pronoun for very formal situations and started using "o senhor/a senhora/os senhores/as senhoras". This sounds ridiculously formal outside Brazil, but now we have a singular and plural V pronoun, but with usage less restrict than V pronouns in most languages.

For that matter, many Brazilian dialects (including that of Rio) have a threeway distinction. We alternate between "tu" and "você" (or most usually the contraction "cê") among close family and friends (or when we want to be really rude), we use "você" (with less frequency for "cê") consistently with people we don't know, and "o/a(s) senhor(e/a)(s)" for bosses, elders, politicians, judges, etc.

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The confusion over Vorstellung makes me think of other German etymologies like "verstehen" or "es gibt" (I feel like Heidegger's Existentialism could only really have been concocted by a German speaker lol), but those aren't really translation issues per se.
Yeah, Heidegger is particularly crafty for that matter.

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A santiguadora sounds to me like the Medieval British idea of the Bedesman (with a bit of influence from generalized "witch woman" practices). But I guess that wouldn't be any clearer to the average reader.
I would translate it to Portuguese as benzedeira, which is a similar office. They're still pretty strong in some regions, and Roman Catholic hierarchy often not only tolerates, but enforces their job. They're more like mystic healers than witches, though, some being pious Roman Catholics. My ex, who was born in the outskirts of a 3k-people town, was delivered by a benzedeira.

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So what would be your picks for really hard to translate words?
"Saudade" is often described as an extremely difficult concept to convey outside Portuguese language, but its overall meaning can usually be conveyed by "missing/longing/nostalgia". I like "cafuné", which means fondling the top of the head. "Endomingado" isn't such a common word, but I like how it may mean either "dressed up as for Sunday mass" or "depressed because it's Sunday".

From the top of my head, I recall tingo, a Rapa Nui verb meaning borrowing stuff until nothing is left. There's a book about untranslatable word with this title. There's some African language with a word for someone who always forgives two faults, but never three, and also a word in some Eskimo-Aleut language meaning constantly looking at the door to see if there are any guests. But I can't recall either.
Title: Re: What languages do we speak on OC.net?
Post by: Opus118 on May 19, 2018, 06:37:05 PM
I speak Piglatin.  ::)
Ichwhay ialectday orfay ordsway atthay artstay ithway owelsvay?
Ethay owelsvay uffixsay, Ayhay orhay/orway Ayway?
Erethay isway/ishay away/ahay Igpay Atinlay eadthray erehay.