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Title: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 23, 2007, 05:36:42 PM
Okay kids I figured I create this topic because we've had some interest in another thread so I didn't want to hijack the initial post.

Lets start this thread this way.  State your favorite team from the major sports (I'll also include soccer/football because of our Europeans friends here).  From there, we can go on to discuss sports items (like the superbowl, spring training etc...).

Hockey:  Toronto Maple Leafs (is there anyone else?)

Football (American):  Dallas Cowboys

Baseball:  New York Yankees

Basketball:  LA Lakers

Soccer/Football:  Red Star Belgrade
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Schultz on January 23, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Hockey: Pittsburgh Penguins

NFL : Pittsburgh Steelers

Baseball: can't stand the sport

Basketball:  don't watch it, but I've always been happy when the Lakers lose

Football: Leeds United, DC United
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Robert on January 23, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
Okay kids I figured I create this topic because we've had some interest in another thread so I didn't want to hijack the initial post.

Lets start this thread this way.  State your favorite team from the major sports (I'll also include soccer/football because of our Europeans friends here).  From there, we can go on to discuss sports items (like the superbowl, spring training etc...).

Hockey:  Toronto Maple Leafs (is there anyone else?)

Football (American):  Dallas Cowboys

Baseball:  New York Yankees

Basketball:  LA Lakers

Soccer/Football:  Red Star Belgrade
Hockey: Carolina Hurricanes
Football: Steelers  (dont want the bears to winthe bowl tho)
Baseball: Yankees
Basketball: Only like NCAA
Soccer: Real Madrid
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on January 23, 2007, 05:46:13 PM
Hockey: Pittsburgh Penguins (Philly if the Pens move out)

Football (American): Cleveland Browns (Packers when the Browns were gone)

Baseball: Cleveland Indians

Basketball: The LeBrons (I mean, the Cavaliers)

Soccer/Football: When I care? AC Milan.  All the other times? Columbus Crew
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 23, 2007, 05:46:56 PM
Schultz,

I hope you know our resident Penguin... Brother Aiden.  He's really got the inside scoop on the Pens, but I'll let him tell you that.  You're sitting pretty with Sydney and Malkin.

Why don't you sell them to the Leafs and we'll buy you guys TWO arenas. ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 23, 2007, 05:47:22 PM
^Another comedian!!! Bad enough I've got Bob killing me about the Leafs... no this! LOL

Actually I'm a Cowboy fan living just outside NYC, amongst the Giants faithful.  Oh, how I loved watching the Gints fall apart this year.

And who do you support dear sir?

I am with you there sir.  The Cowboys truly great.  Unfortunately it is difficult living amongst these wretched Giants fans in NY . . . especially since a few weeks ago.


Hockey:  Dallas Stars

Football (American):  Dallas Cowboys

Baseball:  New York Yankees

Basketball:  Dallas Mavericks

Soccer/Football:  Arsenal

Then to add another important thing,

Favourite University Team: Fordham University

Favourite University Team that actually matters: Texas A&M University.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 23, 2007, 05:48:52 PM
I forgot college.

Hoops would be the Tar Heels. 

Football would be Ohio State (on account of my best friends brother going there and getting me a sweatshirt and cap).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on January 23, 2007, 05:49:03 PM
Oh, if we add the two categories:

Favourite University Team: The Ohio State University

Favourite University Team that actually matters: The Ohio State University
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 23, 2007, 05:49:35 PM
I am with you there sir.  The Cowboys truly great.  Unfortunately it is difficult living amongst these wretched Giants fans in NY . . . especially since a few weeks ago.
Yes, they have the stench of a Michael Strahan armpit!!!!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Robert on January 23, 2007, 05:50:25 PM
OSU and Florida..who woulda thought Florida was gonan win :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 23, 2007, 05:50:37 PM
Well, I had to add my alma mater.  Hopefully some of you had a university that made a difference in the wider world of sports.  Although, we do excel at basketball at least
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Veniamin on January 23, 2007, 05:52:27 PM
Hockey:  Dallas Stars

Football (American):  Dallas Cowboys

Baseball:  Texas Rangers

Basketball:  San Antonio Spurs

Soccer/Football:  No preference

And as for the only team that really matters...

Gig 'em, Aggies!!!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 23, 2007, 06:00:20 PM
Footie (soccer for the clueless): Leeds United, Ukrainian National Soccer Team, Canadian National Soccer team, Toronto FC
Hockey: Edmonton Oilers
Arena Football: New York Dragons
Canadian Football: Edmonton Eskimos
Lacrosse: Edmonton Rush
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 23, 2007, 06:23:24 PM

Football (American):  Dallas Cowboys

Baseball:  New York Yankees

Basketball:  LA Lakers

Oh no, it's worse than I thought.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 23, 2007, 06:29:58 PM
It just reaffirms the fact that ONLY one person was ever perfect.....and He is not posting as SouthSerb99 :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: FrChris on January 23, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
Hockey: Boston Bruins (I know...the only decent thing out of Boston, and this is my {formerly} secret love)

Football (Real): Cincinnati Bengals/New Orleans Saints (heavy sigh for both teams)

Baseball: Cincinnati Reds/Cleveland Indians (how I'd love to see that in the Series this year...)

Basketball: Ugh! I hate this sport!

Soccer: PAOK (http://www.greeksoccer.com/teams/paok.htm)

Rugby: New Zealand All Blacks

NCAA Football: The Ohio State University

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It just reaffirms the fact that ONLY one person was ever perfect.....and He is not posting as SouthSerb99

ROFL!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SmoT on January 23, 2007, 07:08:49 PM
Hockey: (yawn)
Football: (yawn)
Baseball: (yawn)
Basketball: (yawn)
Soccer: (yawn)

Don't watch any sports
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Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 23, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
Hockey: Ottawa Senators.
 
Football: don't watch much.

Baseball: Toronto Blue Jays. 

Basketball: don't really like this sport.  I suppose this could change, given the right encouragement.

Soccer:  don't watch.  But I loved playing soccer when I was a kid.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on January 24, 2007, 12:04:24 AM
Hockey: Chicago Blackhawks

Football: Minnesota Vikings (and the Chicago Bears)

Baseball: Chicago Cubs (The ONLY baseball team in Chicago)

Basketball: San Antonio Spurs

Soccer: Is this even a sport?

NASCAR: Jeff Gordon

NCAA: Basketball: Illinois   Football: Illinois     Baseball: UCLA 

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 12:23:55 AM
Football (Real): Cincinnati Bengals

I heard there's going to be a team autograph signing sometime in the near future at the Hamilton County Correctional Facility.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on January 24, 2007, 01:21:53 AM
I don't watch other sports games.  I tried, but I can't help but notice that the most enjoyable to watch are:

Basketball:  not really big on teams, but more on the player...so Kevin Garnette's T-Wolves
Soccer:  World Cup Soccer is awesome...I tend to enjoy Argentina or Brazil, but in Egyptian soccer, I am an "Ahlawi," and you won't understand that unless you're Egyptian (or very familiar with modern Egyptian culture)

Baseball:  boring to play and watch
Football:  fun to play, boring to watch
Hockey:  hardly can see the puck; the fights are enjoyable however (sorry...it seems so intricately part of the game nowadays :P)

Flipping through the channels one day, and saw this on ESPN (I thought this was a hoax...but it turned out for real..who knew!)

http://www.usarps.com/

I just couldn't stop laughing.

Enjoy.

Mina
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on January 24, 2007, 05:54:13 AM
Hockey: Pittsburgh Penguins (minor league: ECHL Johnstown Chiefs)

Football: Pittsburgh Steelers

Baseball: I haven't watched baseball (regularly) in years. I got tired of the Pirates saying every year "we've got these 2-3 great players in the minors, they're going to be all-stars when they come up in a couple years!" only to watch the Pirates trade the players away for different guys and start the process all over again. After watching that cycle over and over since the early 90's, I finally gave up.

Basketball: Er... Dallas Mavericks I guess. Though I haven't watched basketball regularly in years either. When I liked the Mavericks, they had Jim Jackson, Jamal Mashburn, and Jason Kidd. Ancient history. :o I thought that Bball was more fun to play than watch.

Soccer: I enjoy watching soccer (it's the only thing on at 4am other than informercials anyway ;) ), though I don't follow it closely enough until the World Cup to have any particular favorite.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on January 24, 2007, 08:21:19 AM
Flipping through the channels one day, and saw this on ESPN (I thought this was a hoax...but it turned out for real..who knew!)

http://www.usarps.com/

I just couldn't stop laughing.

Enjoy.

Mina

Quote from: USARPS Website
"We will make sure that rock, paper scissors is not made a mockery by our legal system," USARPS co-commissioner Matti Leshem was quoted as saying. "When people take rock, paper scissors into their own hands, mayhem can occur."

Great quote.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Schultz on January 24, 2007, 10:24:41 AM
Footie (soccer for the clueless): Leeds United, Ukrainian National Soccer Team, Canadian National Soccer team, Toronto FC

aha!  always nice to meet a fellow peacock! :)

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: arimethea on January 24, 2007, 10:32:45 AM
GO COLTS!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 10:39:52 AM
Geez... all of the Penguin fans...

You guys need to get together with Brother Aiden, who is easily the "head Penguin".  I'll let him explain.

Fr. Chris,

Does your congregation know you called American football "real" football?  I think it is a Greek Orthodox Church right?  If so, try telling rabid Greek football fans that American football is the real deal. LOL
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 10:47:31 AM
Soccer: I enjoy watching soccer (it's the only thing on at 4am other than informercials anyway ;) ), though I don't follow it closely enough until the World Cup to have any particular favorite.
Well Asteriktos I will lend you my team (Red Star Belgrade) and award you "honorary supporter" status.

We may no longer have the best team in Europe (we did in 91-92), but we still have the best fans in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZFVg4vVMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SyY1WjK2Bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9lgvSWq54k

(willfully kept all hooligan vids out - LOL).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 24, 2007, 11:41:05 AM
aha!  always nice to meet a fellow peacock! :)



As if there is anything to cheer for these days.  I have thrown myself into the demo for Worldwide Soccer Manager 2007, brought us to a respectable 8th (2 points off 1st).

Therefore the logical conclusion is that they should have hired me instead of Dennis Wise. He won't last the season.

Why in the world did we hire Terry Venables?? Keeping O'Leary would have been better.

Edit: I am not to the point of praying for Leeds (yet...maybe in March), I am merely hoping that "Love thy neighbour" does not apply to Manchester and God happens to be a Leeds United fan.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: FrChris on January 24, 2007, 11:50:48 AM

Fr. Chris,

Does your congregation know you called American football "real" football?  I think it is a Greek Orthodox Church right?  If so, try telling rabid Greek football fans that American football is the real deal. LOL

Oh, my parishioners would already be upset at me for other things I put in that quote, such as:

Favoring Ohio State over any team in the SEC, and---

Stating PAOK is my soccer team!!

I'm sure in their annoyance they didn't even read my comment on football... ;)

Fr Chris
Master of Distraction
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 11:55:47 AM
So who would be the acceptable alternative to PAOK?  I suppose Olympiakos or would it be Panathinaikos?  I know it can't be Kalamata (although I love the olives)!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 24, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
Hockey: Don't care for

Basketball: Don't care for

Football: Play, don't watch

American football: Don't care for

Baseball: New York Yankees. Second: Boston Red Sox (I'm from upstate NY, not New York City, so I can get away with that!)

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: FrChris on January 24, 2007, 12:14:09 PM
Arrggh! Don't even mention Olympiakos to me, since they recently beat my team, and since Olympiakos has some fans here I keep hearing about it from one of my chanters!

 AEK is my second runner-up favorite, and starting to grow in my affections because at least they have a chance of bringing down "that O Team" and getting my chanter to concentrate on her chanting and less on her razzing of her priest!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 12:25:24 PM
Baseball: New York Yankees. Second: Boston Red Sox (I'm from upstate NY, not New York City, so I can get away with that!)

Nope, that's like someone saying they like the Yankees and the Cowboys, or that they root for the Redskins first and the Cowboys second, or they like both the Giants and the Eagles.  It's almost as bad as someone saying they like the Yankees and Red Sox.  It's just not possible.

--------------------------------

So

Hockey:  The NHL is awful to watch in my opinion.  The Olympics can be interesting.  I can clearly remember watching the USA/USSR game in Lake Placid.  When the Czechs won that was cool too.  Now I just like to see the Canadians lose.  Oh, and go Houston Penguins!

Football (Real):  The Chiefs because of family, though I don’t follow them closely now.  I’ve always liked the AFC better, even when the NFC handed them their shorts year after year.  One of my favorite teams of all time was the Houston Oilers during the Earl Campbell/Bum Philips era.  Two teams who I enjoy watching lose under any circumstances are the Cowboys and Raiders.  So this was a good year.

Baseball:  Used to be a big fan.  No longer pay attention.  They’re all on drugs.  Nobody had a better look (or name) than Rollie Fingers.  Cal Ripken is the most overrated player of all time.

Basketball:  College is much more exciting, though I no longer watch.  I actually lost interest in the NBA once the Bulls started winning in the Jordan era.  The Pistons/Lakers finals were awesome to watch.  Moses Malone I always liked, and the Celtics with Bird and McHale, who couldn’t help but like them.  Vlade was fun to watch.  The NBA seems like a bunch of thugs to me now.

Soccer:  I actually went to outdoor NASL games as a kid (like when Pele and Beckenbauer came to push their walkers around the field).   Then went to indoor NASL and MISL games.  Indoor was actually a fairly interesting game to watch.

There is little in my opinion less interesting (maybe baseball) than European club play.  The World Cup is fun to watch, but I think can be really punctuated by some horrendous officiating and of course with players flopping and diving around like a bunch of harp seals.  Watching teams like the Netherlands, Poland or Serbia-Montenegro in the last World Cup made you want to pluck your eyeballs out.  Hopefully the African Nations will change the way the game is played, because seeing the nasty and ugly play of the Italians triumph was not good.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 24, 2007, 12:32:36 PM
Nope, that's like someone saying they like the Yankees and the Cowboys, or that they root for the Redskins first and the Cowboys second, or they like both the Giants and the Eagles.  It's almost as bad as someone saying they like the Yankees and Red Sox.  It's just not possible.

When I was a kid, I liked the Red Sox---Babe Ruth used to pitch for the Red Sox, and I loved reading about Ruth and old-time baseball, and the team to like in the first two decades of the 20th century were the Red Sox.

But I'm from New York, and by the time I reached the age of 10, the Yankees grabbed hold of my allegiance. I've never really stopped liking Boston---part of it is perhaps because I prefer the city of Boston to New York and part of it is because I have the temperament of a Red Sox fan more than a Yankees fan.

Anyway, I can't shake it (had I grown up more downstate than Syracuse, I'm sure some people would have forcibly shaken it from me!).

So I root for the Red Sox EXCEPT when they are playing the Yankees, at which time I become as brash and arrogant as any other Yankees fan ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 12:34:56 PM
A forcible shaking might be in order.  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on January 24, 2007, 12:37:47 PM
But I'm from New York, and by the time I reached the age of 10, the Yankees grabbed hold of my allegiance.

And a promising young jedi falls again to darkness.

I've never really stopped liking Boston---part of it is perhaps because I prefer the city of Boston to New York and part of it is because I have the temperament of a Red Sox fan more than a Yankees fan. 

You should have that checked out by a professional practitioner of medicine.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 12:39:33 PM
At least he hasn't come out (yet) and said he roots for the Cowboys.  Then we would know for sure he needs to be put away for a long, long time some place where he couldn't hurt himself.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 24, 2007, 12:44:21 PM

Baseball: New York Yankees. Second: Boston Red Sox (I'm from upstate NY, not New York City, so I can get away with that!)



Welkodox is right on this one.  It does not matter if you're from Conneticut, upstate, or the moon you cannot get away with that.  It's like WWII is going on and you like Churchill.  Hitler, though, is a close second.  And it's obvious that Hitler is the Red Sox.  Embrace the Bombers!

or as Steiburnner was quoted (and this is an exact quote mind you) to Roger Clemens, I think this applies here:

The Boss: Roger, you do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to Major League Baseball.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 12:44:51 PM
part of it is because I have the temperament of a Red Sox fan more than a Yankees fan.

I was never really a big baseball fan while living in Toronto (even though the Jays won two consecutive world series).  However, when I moved to NYC and went to a Yankee game (sitting in the bleachers) and that was it... I was convinced into cheering for them.

Once they started the pre-game "roll call" I was hooked.  So that is how you become a Cowboy and Yankee fan. LOL
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 24, 2007, 12:45:21 PM
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So I root for the Red Sox EXCEPT when they are playing the Yankees, at which time I become as brash and arrogant as any other Yankees fan
Pshaw, Our arrogance is only exceeded by Boston Fans.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 12:46:23 PM
At least he hasn't come out (yet) and said he roots for the Cowboys.  Then we would know for sure he needs to be put away for a long, long time some place where he couldn't hurt himself.

Thems fighting words.  Must be a niners fan (deep down).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 24, 2007, 12:48:20 PM
I was never really a big baseball fan while living in Toronto (even though the Jays won two consecutive world series).  However, when I moved to NYC and went to a Yankee game (sitting in the bleachers) and that was it... I was convinced into cheering for them.

Once they started the pre-game "roll call" I was hooked.  So that is how you become a Cowboy and Yankee fan. LOL

Yeah, that was very similar to me.  I never really cared for the Rangers; although, I like the local minor team a bit the Fort Worth Cats (but even that only occur ed after New York), and then went to a Yankees game and was hooked.  Now, I won't sit anywhere else but the bleachers (even without the beer).  So, in another conflict in my life, I hate New York in the Winter being a Cowboys fan, and love it every other time.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 12:49:36 PM
Dan,

I sense a Tony Romo comment coming any minute from Welkodox.  :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 24, 2007, 12:51:50 PM
I hope not, that would be below the belt.  I've heard it too much lately.  Well, to use a similar line as defending the Yankees, when some other team wins as many superbowls as the Cowboys then they can talk.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: aurelia on January 24, 2007, 12:55:10 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 01:08:28 PM
Dan,

I sense a Tony Romo comment coming any minute from Welkodox.  :'(

I actually felt bad for the guy, though it was nice to see the Cowboys lose.  I think the rule with the K Balls should go.

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(pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Like who, Saban?  Wait, he's back in college.

At least they have a real way of figuring out who won the championship.  Between the bowl system and the sham of the coaches polls, I don't know who can take the college game seriously.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 01:12:01 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )
My wife is from Detroit, that is reason enough to despise the wings.   ;)

Hockey Town MY FOOT!  Every civilized and self respecting person knows that Toronto is the ONLY right to claim itself as HOCKEY TOWN on the planet!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 01:16:55 PM
Here is Canada's contribution to world culture

(http://www.boxjboys.ca/images/Don%20Cherry%20Mc%20Cleod%20Tartan.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 01:19:42 PM
Don't diss Don because even the New Englanders love him!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 24, 2007, 01:22:07 PM
Hey, I'm a huge Yankees fan. One of the greatest days of my entire life was October 26, 1996, when the Yankees defeated the Braves and won the World Series for the first time in my lifetime.

One of the other greatest days of my life was July 18, 1999, when my favorite pitcher, David Cone, pitching for my favorite team, the Yankees, twirled a perfect game.

One of the other greatest days of my life was the night of October 16, 2003, when Aaron Boone hit a home run that made Bucky Dent's look insignificant.

-

Part of the reason why I still like the Red Sox, perhaps, is that I love the rivalry. It's great to have a strong Boston team because it gives our Yankees a challenge. And perhaps there's an element of pity after all those past (and coming) years of futility ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 01:31:13 PM
For my good friend welkodox.  http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hnic/coachs-corner.html

A little Cherry for your sundae.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on January 24, 2007, 01:39:30 PM
My wife is from Detroit, that is reason enough to despise the wings.   ;)

Hockey Town MY FOOT!  Every civilized and self respecting person knows that Toronto is the ONLY right to claim itself as HOCKEY TOWN on the planet!

Awwww, and we have been getting along so well.  I can see that changing now.  :P

I was born in Montreal, so you know where my loyalties are.  ;D


The only other sport I follow would be Soccer/Football and that would have to be the Udinese Calcio.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 24, 2007, 01:51:52 PM
Part of the reason why I still like the Red Sox, perhaps, is that I love the rivalry. It's great to have a strong Boston team because it gives our Yankees a challenge. And perhaps there's an element of pity after all those past (and coming) years of futility
(http://snlarc.jt.org/arc/char/AlFr-Stuart%20Smalley.jpg)

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...  You've now moved on to rationalizing your illness.  You need help.  Professional help.  Please, we all want what's best for you and it's tearing us up inside to see what's happening to you.  Come on, before it's too late.

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For my good friend welkodox.  http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hnic/coachs-corner.html

The tragedy SS99 is he is much more entertaining than the game itself.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 24, 2007, 03:07:14 PM
Baseball: New York Yankees. Second: Boston Red Sox

Lord Have Mercy!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 24, 2007, 03:34:50 PM
Awwww, and we have been getting along so well.  I can see that changing now.  :P

I was born in Montreal, so you know where my loyalties are.  ;D


The only other sport I follow would be Soccer/Football and that would have to be the Udinese Calcio.

Well, you've got to be introduced to Pravoslavbob... he's a Senators fan (and he lives in the Canadian capital - although for the life of me, I cannot remember the name of that little village  ;))
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on January 24, 2007, 04:14:55 PM
Long live the memory of the 2004 WC Boston Red Sox...and damn that traitor Johnny who when over to the Dark Empire...

james

love that dirty water,the Red Sox Nation and Yaz...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Simayan on January 24, 2007, 04:21:50 PM
Hockey:  Maine Black Bears

Football (American):  New England Patriots

Baseball:  Boston Red Sox

Basketball:  Boston Celtics. I guess. I don't really like Basketball.

Soccer/Football: Ack! Soccer!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 24, 2007, 05:34:26 PM
when my favorite pitcher, David Cone, pitching for my favorite team, the Yankees, twirled a perfect game.

that jerk could (or is it would) never do that pitching for the Royals. 

I hate the friggin' Yankees!!!! >:(

Scamandrius
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 24, 2007, 05:36:40 PM
and damn that traitor Johnny who when over to the Dark Empire...

How about damn him for betraying Kansas City?! :(

Scamandrius
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 24, 2007, 06:07:06 PM
that jerk could (or is it would) never do that pitching for the Royals. 

I hate the friggin' Yankees!!!! >:(

Scamandrius

Hey, I beg to differ. He was excellent his two seasons with Kansas City. The first year he got no run support, and his second year, the strike-shortened one, he won the Cy Young. He pitched a one-hit shutout against the Angels that year that was almost as good as the perfect game. He faced 29 batters and only allowed a single from Chili Davis. And that game was his third straight complete-game shutout.

Unfortunately, the Royals promptly traded him back to the Blue Jays. That poor team has not had an ownership that has any desire to win since Kauffman died.

We all remember where Johnny Damon came from. And Kevin Appier. And Carlos Beltran. . .

Oh, and David Cone came from Kansas City too---traded to the Mets for Ed Hearn (who?) back in 1987. Kauffman said it was the worst trade blunder he ever made, and he rectified it by signing Cone in '93. Then as soon as he was dead, Cone was shipped out again.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 25, 2007, 10:22:41 AM
That poor team has not had an ownership that has any desire to win since Kauffman died.

We all remember where Johnny Damon came from. And Kevin Appier. And Carlos Beltran. . .


I suppose that it's my frustration that's causing all my spats.  So much talent has come through KC but no one knows how to put it all together to win.  Pitching has been the absolute bane of the KC organization for the last 10 years.  I can't remember the last time we had a 15 game winner (possibly Byrd, I can't remember t hough).  But you're right--the current ownership just wants to make itself money and not care about winning.  If the fans were smart--they would not show up for games. Leave the stands empty for a couple of games then maybe someone will get the point. 

Also, these athletes' agents always seem to steer them away from KC as soon as possible.  I mean who wants to play for a perpetual non-contender?

Still, I never saw David Cone back in the 90s pitch like he did with the Yankees.  He always seemed to be taken out of games early and was never consistent.  I'll have to check more on his stats.

Scamandrius
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 25, 2007, 10:29:33 AM
Small market teams can't compete with the big ones, and I think KC is if not the smallest, is close to smallest in market and therefore revenue size.  That's another reason why I don't pay attention to Baseball.  The NFL, through the salary cap, has definitely been able to maintain a level playing field among all the teams that has translated directly in to all teams being able to effectively compete, no matter the market size.

Also, I'm changing my favorite soccer team to Red Spork Belgrade too.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: arimethea on January 25, 2007, 11:05:43 AM
Just want to remind everyone

GO COLTS!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 25, 2007, 11:35:06 AM
I suppose that it's my frustration that's causing all my spats.  So much talent has come through KC but no one knows how to put it all together to win.  Pitching has been the absolute bane of the KC organization for the last 10 years.  I can't remember the last time we had a 15 game winner (possibly Byrd, I can't remember t hough).  But you're right--the current ownership just wants to make itself money and not care about winning.  If the fans were smart--they would not show up for games. Leave the stands empty for a couple of games then maybe someone will get the point. 

Also, these athletes' agents always seem to steer them away from KC as soon as possible.  I mean who wants to play for a perpetual non-contender?

Still, I never saw David Cone back in the 90s pitch like he did with the Yankees.  He always seemed to be taken out of games early and was never consistent.  I'll have to check more on his stats.

Scamandrius

Well, Cone is a big-game pitcher, and he didn't get to pitch in any big games in Kansas City. Still, he was more than fine in his two seasons there.

Here's his 1993 game log: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=coneda01&t=p&year=1993
He went 11-14, but he had a very good 3.33 ERA over 254 innings. 2.93 runs of support will do that to you. Perhaps your impression came from home games---Cone's ERA at home was 4.05, on the road 2.62.

His 1994 game log is here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=coneda01&year=1994&t=p
This year he went 16-5 with a 2.94 ERA and won the Cy Young Award.

He was more of a workhorse then. I remember him throwing 166 pitches in a complete game win, in the rain, over the Giants in 1992. This was before his aneurysm in 1996. He was plagued with the effects of that and many other physical problems (knees, hips, shoulder), not to mention age, with the Yankees. It was a real struggle. He broke 200 innings only once after that aneurysm. And that year he was getting cortisone shots all season and didn't warm up between starts for fear he wouldn't be able to lift his arm above his shoulder when it came time to pitch. But he pitched great most of the time when he was on the mound for the Yankees, especially in big games.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 25, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
Small market teams can't compete with the big ones, and I think KC is if not the smallest, is close to smallest in market and therefore revenue size.  That's another reason why I don't pay attention to Baseball.  The NFL, through the salary cap, has definitely been able to maintain a level playing field among all the teams that has translated directly in to all teams being able to effectively compete, no matter the market size.

The luxury tax has certainly improved the situation since the 1990s. Consider the recent World Series winners:

2000: Yankees
2001: Diamondbacks
2002: Angels
2003: Marlins
2004: Red Sox
2005: White Sox
2006: Cardinals

That's seven different teams in seven seasons. I think the NFL is the model and that there is still much work to be done---small-market teams still are in a position where they can't afford to make any major mistakes, while a team like the Yankees can write off bad trades and signings and just go buy somebody else---but I'm glad to see the improved competitive balance. In the last seven years, we have seen two teams win for the first time ever and two teams win for the first time since the First World War.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 25, 2007, 12:20:23 PM
Also, I'm changing my favorite soccer team to Red Spork Belgrade too.

I can't believe I missed this and have let is slide today.

<Currently using all of my legal resources to locate welkodox and send him a Red STAR greeting party, to show him some love - Serbian style>  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 25, 2007, 01:06:24 PM
The luxury tax has certainly improved the situation since the 1990s. Consider the recent World Series winners:

2000: Yankees
2001: Diamondbacks
2002: Angels
2003: Marlins
2004: Red Sox
2005: White Sox
2006: Cardinals

It has gotten better.

Quote
<Currently using all of my legal resources to locate welkodox and send him a Red STAR greeting party, to show him some love - Serbian style>

Just watch Dog the Bounty Hunter, I think the one I appear in will be replayed this season.

Anathema!

On every innovation and action contrary to the tradition of the Church, and the teaching and pattern of the holy and celebrated Fathers, or anything to do with the Dallas Cowboys
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on January 25, 2007, 02:11:53 PM
Chicago > Polonia = DA Bears...

james
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 25, 2007, 02:24:47 PM
(http://www.thiefsden.net/archives/superfans.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 25, 2007, 03:12:53 PM
I suppose that it's my frustration that's causing all  If the fans were smart--they would not show up for games. Leave the stands empty for a couple of games then maybe someone will get the point. 

Hey now, do you think there might possibly be a message here for Leaf fans, SouthSerb? ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 25, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
Hey, I'm a huge Yankees fan.

How sad for you, my friend.  But as Welkodox has pointed out, there is help.  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 25, 2007, 03:20:22 PM
I was never really a big baseball fan while living in Toronto (even though the Jays won two consecutive world series).  However, when I moved to NYC and went to a Yankee game (sitting in the bleachers) and that was it... I was convinced into cheering for them.

Once they started the pre-game "roll call" I was hooked.  So that is how you become a Cowboy and Yankee fan. LOL

Wha?  You what?   :o  Oh yeah, that makes total sense.  Geez.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 25, 2007, 03:22:56 PM
It has gotten better.

Can't believe the Cardinals won it all after having prevailed in just 83 regular season contests.  Pretty weird.  Or else Tony LaRussa really knows how to get things from his players when he needs to.  Or a combination of the above.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 25, 2007, 03:23:11 PM
Hey now, do you think there might possibly be a message here for Leaf fans, SouthSerb? ;)

Well, it might, since he wasn't talking about the playoffs, because we all know what happens when a certain team from Ottawa gets to the playoffs.

Winners they are nottawa, so bad I forgottawa.  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 25, 2007, 03:25:05 PM
Well, it might, since he wasn't talking about the playoffs, because we all know what happens when a certain team from Ottawa gets to the playoffs.

You mean like the time they came within a goal of the Stanley Cup final in 2003?   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 25, 2007, 03:34:33 PM
Boban (that would be your Serbian name - lol),

How about 2002, do you remember 2002?  Here, let me refresh your recollection.  http://youtube.com/watch?v=nsWvzylr-go&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 25, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
Stay tuned for the great Canadian hockey film Power Play here on SCTV. ...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 25, 2007, 06:02:30 PM
Can't believe the Cardinals won it all after having prevailed in just 83 regular season contests.  Pretty weird.  Or else Tony LaRussa really knows how to get things from his players when he needs to.  Or a combination of the above.

Or Detroit just really sucked or took money!  There is no way St. Louis can win a World Series on their own merits; they must have had help! :o

Scamandrius
Loyal KC fan (though that has nothing to do with my opinion) ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 25, 2007, 06:07:10 PM
Just want to remind everyone

GO BEARS!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on January 25, 2007, 07:34:42 PM
Or Detroit just really sucked or took money!  There is no way St. Louis can win a World Series on their own merits; they must have had help! :o

That just goes to show you how crazy and unpredictable baseball can be. Detroit steamrolled an already superior American League (which dominated the NL in interleague play last year) and looked like the 1927 Yankees against the 2006 Yanks in the Division Series, yet they go on to quickly drop the World Series to an 83-game winner.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on January 25, 2007, 11:04:46 PM
Hockey - the Pittsburgh Penguins (hockey is also by far and away my favorite sport); quite a blessed city to get to see first Lemieux, then Jagr and Kovalev, and now Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Fleury! And don't forget those 2 Stanley Cups in 91 and 92!

Football - dem Stillers (that's Picksburgeese) (I was at the "Immaculate Reception" game with my dad in '72; and yes, you CAN be a good Orthodox and believe in the Immaculate RECEPTION!)

Baseball - regular season - the Pirates (I am old enough to remember my older brother and sister going to the World Series in 1960 and it being such a big deal; I was a junior in high school when they won it in '71 and attending a protestant seminary when Willi Stargell's "Family" won it in 1980; I have to now pick a team to root for each year in the post-season)

Basketball - the University of Pittsburgh

soccer - sorry, just never played and seldom watch it

college - Robert Morris University is in their 3rd season with a NCAA D-I men's hockey team and they are coming along quite well. Maybe in ten years they can get to a "Frozen Four"

college - otherwise, University of Pittsburgh

Oh, and I will have to root for the Colts in the Superbowl. Tony Dungy - the ex-Steeler and Chuck Noll protege. I also like Payton Manning.

Sorry , I am a very parochial, hometown guy!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Calak on January 26, 2007, 02:00:20 AM
Hockey---Hometown Calgary Flames

Football---nfl-Saints...cfl---saskatchewan roughriders

Baseball---Jays

Soccer---AC. Milan (if I ever watch...)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 26, 2007, 12:43:33 PM
Hockey---Hometown Calgary Flames

Can we get some professional therapy in aisle 1 please??

I wasn't aware we let Calgarians on here.....didn't I see something about this in the Forum regulations??
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 26, 2007, 01:17:30 PM
Can we get some professional therapy in aisle 1 please??

I wasn't aware we let Calgarians on here.....didn't I see something about this in the Forum regulations??

Aha!  I've just solved a mystery.  Clearly Postolowka made the following video. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4-LzM9fMS-0
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 26, 2007, 01:47:25 PM
Never been east of Wainwright, but great song!

Not the YouTube Video I star in though. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 26, 2007, 02:01:37 PM
Go Red Spork Belgrade!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 26, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
BLASPHEMY!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 26, 2007, 03:19:33 PM
And this one too!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on January 26, 2007, 03:54:58 PM
Now children are being indoctrinated in to sporkism.  This must stop!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on January 27, 2007, 01:33:32 AM
The Pens beat Dallas in a shootout. I think this is the first time Fleury has stopped every shooter.
If the Penguins start winning shootouts (instead of regularly losing them) lookout! They will be in the playoff hunt.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Calak on January 27, 2007, 06:01:02 PM
Everytime my Flames go into a shootout, they LOSE!@#$%@  Even at the All-star game Kipper sucked at the shootout challenge...his weakness I guess...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Innocent on January 28, 2007, 10:11:15 AM
Hockey: Sabers & Islanders (They really need a Hockey channel & what is "Versus", and why would they play their all-star game on it? >:()

Football: Bills

Baseball: Mets

Soccer: Italy & Ireland (rarely though since I never know when they on)

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on January 28, 2007, 04:14:51 PM
The Pens beat Dallas in a shootout. I think this is the first time Fleury has stopped every shooter.
If the Penguins start winning shootouts (instead of regularly losing them) lookout! They will be in the playoff hunt.

I have to admit, even though there are lots of variables and "what if's" involved, it's scary to think of how good this team could be in a year or two.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Marat on January 29, 2007, 12:35:25 PM


Favourite University Team that actually matters: Texas A&M University.

An Aggie printing his computer screen.

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/mhuddleston/AggiePrintScreen.jpg)

Sorry Dan, we in Austin can't resist taking a shot at the Aggies. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: aserb on January 29, 2007, 12:51:18 PM
I am from Pittsburgh that should say it all, but I now live in Philadelphia having sojourned to a new land where the sports teams are like fickle dates. Always hinting of love but never giving any. I tried to keep it clean.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: dantxny on January 29, 2007, 02:11:26 PM
Quote
Sorry Dan, we in Austin can't resist taking a shot at the Aggies.

Darn T-Sippers :P *Says the tea drinker in NYC*

-Daniel
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on January 29, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
Everytime my Flames go into a shootout, they LOSE!@#$%@  Even at the All-star game Kipper sucked at the shootout challenge...his weakness I guess...

Word is that the Flames (and the Oilers) are interested in Tucker?  Not that he'd help much on shootouts.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Aristibule on January 29, 2007, 05:30:22 PM
Hockey:  I'm from the South - I prefer my fights flat-footed and where it's warm.

Football (American): NFL - Dallas Cowboys/Kansas City Chiefs NCAA - OU Sooners/OSU Cowboys

Baseball: MBL - St. Louis Cardinals/Kansas City Royals (also enjoy the Anaheim Angels and L.A. Dodgers.)

Basketball: Not interested - can't jump anyways.

Soccer/Football: Celtic F.C./Rangers F.C. I love the Old Firm - just not sectarianism or violence. (In America, defunct Tulsa Roughnecks and Wichita Wings - no one to replace them.) Otherwise, I'll watch Arsenal F.C. or Manchester United F.C. if they play.

Rugby: Celtic League - Border Reivers (I love the long shot, and want to see them stay around.) International - Welsh Rugby Union "The Dragons" (the only sports team, incidentally, that I have won their colours as a supporter - I miss that jersey.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: FrChris on January 29, 2007, 05:47:13 PM

Rugby: Celtic League - Border Reivers (I love the long shot, and want to see them stay around.) International - Welsh Rugby Union "The Dragons" (the only sports team, incidentally, that I have won their colours as a supporter - I miss that jersey.)

Finally! Another Rugby fan! I was starting to think I was all alone here...

Thanks, Aristibule!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Chacci on January 29, 2007, 05:55:21 PM
Hockey: Detroit Red Wings

American Football:  I can only dedicate one day a weekend to Football per my wife :)

Baseball: Chicago Cubs

Basketball: N/A

Soccer/Football: N/A

College Football: The Fighting Irish of the University of Notre Dame. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Aristibule on January 29, 2007, 06:34:13 PM
Finally! Another Rugby fan! I was starting to think I was all alone here...

No problem, Father - like I said, I really miss my bright red Dragons jersey  It really is an international sport (talking Rugby Union) - almost every country at least has a national team on the Third Tier. If the USA Eagles were given more visibility in our media, I don't doubt support would grow in the States. Even Greece, Georgia, Russia and other Orthodox countries have national teams now.

I remember owning a British Lions jersey as well back in the 80s (many of their players were from the WRU Dragons - so support for the Side was an outgrowth of my support for the Dragons.)  The only reason I had exposure to Rugby football at all is that my mother was raised in Nigeria and French West Africa.

Rugby League is a different story.  I know the USA has the AMNRL, which is affiliate to the RLIF. They don't have that many teams. Back when I was still athletic, I was wing - my University tried to get a team going. I don't think it lasted more than a few years.

(BTW - which team had the old jerseys that were black and red horizontal stripes with a white collar? )
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Calak on January 29, 2007, 06:37:33 PM
Word is that the Flames (and the Oilers) are interested in Tucker?  Not that he'd help much on shootouts.

Well Iginla might be coming back tomorrow, so the offense should get a huge push (and they're doing ok without him...other than yesterday)...

Tucker.... :-\
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on January 30, 2007, 01:03:41 AM
Aserb
Don't be led astray by those "tease" Philly teams! You know that, over the long haul you can count on the Pens and Steelers. And rooting for the Pirates at least isn't being led down the path of raised (and unrealized) expectations cause you know they aren't going to do anything!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: serb1389 on January 30, 2007, 04:30:56 PM
American Football = CHICAGO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!

European Football = VOJVODINA!!  (6th place team in Serbia...i'm from there)  Or I usually go for Bayern Munchen in Champions League. 

Baseball = CHICAGO CUBS!!!!

Hockey = Chicago Blackhawks (but i've been to more Boston Bruins games than hawks)

Basketball = I agree with previous posters.  Its become a thug life.  But i'm still a Bulls fan all the way!! 

NCAA -  Football = Miami Hurricanes (don't ask).  Basketball = Illinois (or the underdog)  Hockey = Boston College

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on January 31, 2007, 08:24:52 PM
Small market teams can't compete with the big ones

In baseball, thats totally not true. I seem to remember a Florida Marlins baseball team that beat a Yankees team whose Luxury Tax paid for 65% of the salaries of the Marlins players.


Small market teams can always compete with big ones, otherwise Pittsburgh would never be competitive in anything. Oh wait... I guess they aren't competitive in anything... Oh well. I tried
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 31, 2007, 08:32:02 PM
Finally! Another Rugby fan! I was starting to think I was all alone here...

I like rugby....Canada is half decent at it. Aussie Rules Football and Arena Football are better though :P.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on January 31, 2007, 09:08:46 PM
Finally! Another Rugby fan! I was starting to think I was all alone here...

Are you kidding?  I used to play rugby--I was a fullback-- in a private club in Columbia, MO.  We were called the Columbia Outlaws. We used to play guys from all around the Big 12 and mid-west.  We never really made it anywhere, but we had a good time and it was a chance to get beat up then head to the pub!  Ah, the good old days! :'(

Scamandrius
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on January 31, 2007, 09:15:08 PM
:'(

I never thought a Rugby player would cry.

When you mentioned "private club," the first thing that came to my mind was a Montana chapter of the "Fight Club." (sorry sometimes I feel Rugby players are like that...lol...and to think you called yourselves "Outlaws" [scratching chin]hmmmmm[/scratching chin])
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: aurelia on February 21, 2007, 09:07:18 AM
About this quote regarding baseball:

Detroit just really sucked or they took money

honey, have you ever watched the Lions? If not, dont bother, they suck.  Detroit just generally sucks except of course fo the WINGS

Oh, and about Toronto, we root for them if they arent playing the Wings, though my Hub does have a soft spot for the canadiens too.  (He was a Canadian in a former life I think).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on February 21, 2007, 11:36:48 AM
Oh, and about Toronto, we root for them if they arent playing the Wings, though my Hub does have a soft spot for the canadiens too.  (He was a Canadian in a former life I think).

Hold on, hold on, HOLD ON!!!!  I have NEVER heard ANYONE from "Hockey Town" (SS99 gags heavily) say such a thing about Toronto.  We used to be division rivals and HATED each other the way we hate Ottawa today.

My wife is from Warren, and most of the rest of my family is scattered between Dearborn Heights, Livonia & Sterling Heights and I've never heard any of them say they would root for Toronto.

In fact, I have advised my in-laws (and other family) if they try to corrupt my son with Red Wings nonsense, it will be used to either wash my car or line the litter boxes.  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: aurelia on February 21, 2007, 03:26:35 PM
Well, he grew up watching Hockey Night in Canada on a fuzzy black and white tv in his basement.  We sitill watch it, because CBC is local for us. (Ypsi/A2) He just loves the game (used to play for MSU too) and if the Wings can't win, thinks it should be a Canadian team. ;D

Besides, I have friends at church from Toronto, and they seem like perfectly normal people.... ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on February 21, 2007, 03:31:36 PM
Well, he grew up watching Hockey Night in Canada on a fuzzy black in white in his basement.  He just loves the game (used to play for MSU too) and if the Wings can't win, thinks it should be a Canadian team. ;D
Well, now I know there are at least two reasonable people in Detroit (I used to think my wife was reasonable but now that I've been married for 3 1/2 years I know otherwise -lol).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on February 21, 2007, 10:10:38 PM
In two years you will all be rooting for the PENS  (let's just hope it is still the PITTSBURGH PENS!)
Or, you will wish you were!  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on February 22, 2007, 12:36:15 AM
Can the Edmonton Oilers get any worse??
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on February 22, 2007, 10:59:27 AM
In two years you will all be rooting for the PENS  (let's just hope it is still the PITTSBURGH PENS!)
Or, you will wish you were!  ;)

Well, you know that I will always have a soft spot for the Pens from here on in...

I think they are my number 2 team!!!  Did I ever tell you about my smokin light blue Pens practice jersey I own?  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on February 22, 2007, 11:01:19 AM
Can the Edmonton Oilers get any worse??

Ryan Smyth for Darcy Tucker and all will be well in Oiler land.  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on February 22, 2007, 05:09:25 PM
I would make that trade in a second....I hate it when they go on and on about how a guy bleeds copper and blue as he spends months negotiating how many millions he gets paid....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on February 23, 2007, 12:15:51 AM
Southserb,
Maybe with the new arena (we hope) there will be a return to Penguins blue - at least a third jersey throwback to the 70's!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on February 27, 2007, 05:32:18 PM
The Smyth trade will look pretty good two years down the road....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on February 27, 2007, 09:29:15 PM
Oh I think you did pretty darned good... especially when he signs with Toronto as free agent (SS99 getting ready to post in the prayer forum asking for God's assistance in having Smyth sign with the Leafs over the summer - LOL).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on February 28, 2007, 02:10:23 AM
Last time I checked, your GM couldn't sign a decent player to save his life, at least a decent player who has never played for the TML.

God is not a TML fan. 40 years have proven that.....my dad still waits....no wonder he doesn't go to church haha.

Postolowka
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: KostaNY on March 09, 2007, 07:04:29 AM
NBA:Toronto Raptors
NHL:Maple Leafs
MLB:Blue Jays
NFL:49'ers
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: serb1389 on March 09, 2007, 09:50:00 AM
Wow that is a random assembly of sports teams!  How come all the variance?  Just curious.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Timos on March 09, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
Canadian hockey: Montreal Canadiens and Maple Leafs

baseball: Red Sox (depending on how they do and because I'm Canadian naturally I root for the T.O. Blue Jays.

hate basketball throughout

soccer: Euro/ south american soccer (Greece, Italy...etc).  we North Americans cant play for beans
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on March 09, 2007, 11:15:22 AM
Hello All,

I'd say recently I've not watched much sports.  I don't have the patience to watch an entire game, and to see my team lose.  I'm in my early 20s, and I don't know, sports seemed so much more "innocent" during the 1990s.  Here are my teams:

Hockey:  Does hockey even come on T.V. anymore.  I'd say it isn't too fun to watch on T.V., but NHL 94 on Sega Genesis was fun.  I think in the late 90s I went to a Washington Captials game, and man, IT WAS AWESOME (eventhough I was litterally at the top row).  So I guess I go for the home team, the Caps.

American Football: During the 90s I liked the Dolphins and the Redskins.  Now, I watch maybe 2 or 3 games a season.  I find it more fun to antagonize my sister (a huge Bears fan).  Man, last season Monday night football, Bears vs. Cardinals was a fun night indeed (though, the bears still won).

Basketball:  I can honestly say I've never watched a complete came of Bastetball in my life.  I watched a little bit of GMU last season (that's the school I go to), but in the end I just prefer playing.  I'm good at rebounds, but I am terrible on offence

Baseball:  I'll turn it on if I'm having trouble sleeping, I'll be out by the first inning

Soccer: I watch soccer only 4 times a year, and that is the World Cup.  For those couple of weeks, I vote for America.

Rugby:  I watched the Rugby World Cup last time it was on.  Didn't vote for anyone, but it is in my opinion a better sport than American football.

MMA:  A couple of years ago, I really was into MMA.  Recently, I've become fed up with it all (I think the "golden years" of one style vs. another is past.  I'll watch the old fights [which don't have rules], but now...I don't know, just lost my taste for it all).  But, I still like the Russian Heavy Weight Fedor Emelyanenko.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on March 09, 2007, 11:25:17 AM
NBA:Toronto Raptors
NHL:Maple Leafs
MLB:Blue Jays
NFL:49'ers

Kosta,

Take away the niners and you're almost perfect!!!  Can I convince you to replace the red and gold with a bit a blue and white? lol
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on March 09, 2007, 11:27:47 AM
Soccer: I watch soccer only 4 times a year, and that is the World Cup.  For those couple of weeks, I vote for America.
Hey, if you are getting the World Cup 4 times a year... than I am really missing out!  :P

Quote
MMA:  A couple of years ago, I really was into MMA.  Recently, I've become fed up with it all (I think the "golden years" of one style vs. another is past.  I'll watch the old fights [which don't have rules], but now...I don't know, just lost my taste for it all).  But, I still like the Russian Heavy Weight Fedor Emelyanenko.

I'm more of a boxing guy, but I also watch some of the MMA stuff, but if you're a fan of Emelyaneko, why the avatar of Cro-Cop? 

I could imagine Cro-Cop would love to get his hands on a ring full of Serbs!!!  :D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on March 09, 2007, 11:32:02 AM
HAHAHHAHA WHOOPS!  Well, you know what I mean :)  Once every 4 years
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on March 09, 2007, 11:33:46 AM
SouthSerb

I've been trying to change that picture, but everytime I hit "save changes" it doesn't save.  I like Cro Cop, but Fedor I prefer because he is more of a grappler.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on March 09, 2007, 12:08:15 PM
What happens to a person that makes them interested in hockey?  Have scientists or psychologists identified this yet?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on March 09, 2007, 01:35:39 PM
COB,

You might want to contact Robert or ask in the tech thread.

Welkodox,

They have actually identified the "problem" and it is a simple case of genetics.  If you have the "genius" gene you are an avid hockey fan.  However, if you don't have the gene, you must dwell among the ordinary.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius

Fortunately, many here (like me) got the gene.  Pravoslavbob & Brother Aiden to name a few... although nobody can match BA's resume.  He is just one small notch below God.  ;D

I'm sorry at conception the good Lord didn't pull your number in the lottery of life.  Look on the bright side, you could always befriend a hockey fan.  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: aurelia on March 09, 2007, 02:22:16 PM
So what about curling?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: KostaNY on March 09, 2007, 02:48:42 PM
So what about curling?

 ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: KostaNY on March 09, 2007, 03:01:36 PM
Kosta,

Take away the niners and you're almost perfect!!!  Can I convince you to replace the red and gold with a bit a blue and white? lol

I'm assuming you mean that powerhouse Argos team that plays in the beloved CFL? I can't say that I'm a fan of the CFL, with all due respect, I just grew up watching the NFL and watching the Niners dominate with Young, Rice, Waters, etc. Been a fan ever since. Or maybe you meant the Cowboys? In which in return I say, aha-aha, I'm not a traitor, never. Convince me? Come on....

I love my Toronto sports teams, but my heart goes with the Toronto Raptors, I used to be a die hard Leafs fan, but I've grown a little sour on them over the years, I'm not liking JFJ calling the shots, they're going to be a perennial treadmill team like they have been the last decade. Time to blow it up and rebuild,  at least they got a good coach in Maurice now.

As for the Raps, that's my heart and passion, basketball, they finally got a team worth watching, Andrea Bargnani, Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, T.J Ford, Jorge Garbajosa, my personal favorite Euroleague MVP Anthony Parker. They know how to flat out ball.

Go Raps Go..Baby...



Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on March 09, 2007, 03:50:37 PM
Hocky is a sport for tough guys who have no other skills or talents.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on March 09, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
It's a little known fact that Hockey was invented by Norwegian scientists as a war time (a war, don't ask which one) experiment to alter and control human behavior.  It was seen by Canadian government officials almost immediately as a way to provide an outlet for the pervasive trait of passive-aggressive behavior that exists in Canadian society (predominantly among Canadian men).  It was also seen as a way to sell hats and ugly shirts.

The rest as they say, is history.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on March 12, 2007, 03:03:33 PM
I'm assuming you mean that powerhouse Argos team that plays in the beloved CFL? I can't say that I'm a fan of the CFL, with all due respect, I just grew up watching the NFL and watching the Niners dominate with Young, Rice, Waters, etc. Been a fan ever since. Or maybe you meant the Cowboys? In which in return I say, aha-aha, I'm not a traitor, never. Convince me? Come on....

I love my Toronto sports teams, but my heart goes with the Toronto Raptors, I used to be a die hard Leafs fan, but I've grown a little sour on them over the years, I'm not liking JFJ calling the shots, they're going to be a perennial treadmill team like they have been the last decade. Time to blow it up and rebuild,  at least they got a good coach in Maurice now.

As for the Raps, that's my heart and passion, basketball, they finally got a team worth watching, Andrea Bargnani, Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, T.J Ford, Jorge Garbajosa, my personal favorite Euroleague MVP Anthony Parker. They know how to flat out ball.

Go Raps Go..Baby...

I was born and raised in Toronto, but have lived in the NYC area for the last 10 years.  I bleed blue and white (that means the Leafs in Hockey and the Cowboys in football - lol).

So, while I admire you hockey taste, I'm left gagging at your bit about the niners.  :P

Your assessment of the Leafs is spot on.  Thumbs up to Maurice, thumbs down to JFJ.   Blow it up and start from scratch PLUS you have to build a farm system that produced quality NHL players.  When is the last time our farm system has created a bonafide NHL star?

Stajan?  No.

Steen? No.

Maybe Justin Pogge will be the answer.  I don't know.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on March 12, 2007, 03:04:14 PM
It's a little known fact that Hockey was invented by Norwegian scientists as a war time (a war, don't ask which one) experiment to alter and control human behavior.  It was seen by Canadian government officials almost immediately as a way to provide an outlet for the pervasive trait of passive-aggressive behavior that exists in Canadian society (predominantly among Canadian men).  It was also seen as a way to sell hats and ugly shirts.

The rest as they say, is history.

I think in the modern vernacular, you are what they kids call "a hater". LOL  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Marat on March 27, 2007, 01:48:41 AM
Kind of back to the beginning of the thread when we were naming our favorite teams. I don't do pro sports so much, so I'll stick to college. I have a main team, and then supporting teams I follow and cheer for from other conferences.

1. Arkansas Razorbacks of the SEC. I was born and raised in Arkansas and always followed them.
2. Texas Longhorns from the Big 12. My adopted state's home team and I live in Austin.
3. Wisconsin Badgers from the Big 10. Just always liked them.
4. USC Trojans. It would be easy to hate them because of their success, but they are too fun to watch.
5. Virginia Cavaliers of the ACC. Just a classy school and underdog at most sports.
6. BYU from the Mountain West. This lingers from my old Mormon days.
7. Louisville from the Big East.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on March 27, 2007, 10:08:08 PM
The PENGUINS clinched a playoff spot tonight (March 27)
hoooray!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SouthSerb99 on April 10, 2007, 10:53:42 AM
I'm not going to even discuss the highs and LOWS of this past weekend, but suffice it to say, I will be rooting for the Penguins to win the Stanley Cup.

I made a promise to a friend (after some wonderful hospitality) that I would heretofore be a Pens fan after the Leafs.

Making this even easier, is that the Pens are playing the Ottawa Senators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrtlOmD7U_I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=65AQdSUhZY0
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: BrotherAidan on April 13, 2007, 07:47:18 PM
outstanding youtube clips LOL
well the boys got off to a real rough start. Let's how the learning curve is sharp and quick!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 19, 2007, 07:19:56 PM
Hey, cool! I totally missed this one for some time.

My favourite teams:
Major League Baseball: St. Louis Cardinals
Minor League Baseball: Springfield Cardinals
Football: Kansas City Wizards
Hockey: St. Louis Blues

There are no other sports.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Navigator on December 19, 2007, 07:59:37 PM
I missed this one too and with condolences to ytterbiumanalyst (you'll see why in just a sec) I'll list mine:

BASEBALL: The Reigning World Champion BOSTON RED SOX  (Sorry about '04 ytt)

With a 162 game schedule and a pre- and post-season that runs from mid-February to November I don't have the time or the energy for other sports. I have to watch or listen to EVERY Red Sox game...

Stephen
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Ian Lazarus on December 19, 2007, 09:00:22 PM
Baseball: Couldn't give a crud.  But if the Astros are playing, I might watch an inning.

Football:  Well, that's a sore subject with me.  Lets just say I hate the Titans and until the Texans get any better, I'm a Green Bay fan.

Basketball:  Houston Rockets.  Though they constantly make me constantly pull my hair out.

Soccer:  Cruz Azul (Mexico) and Real Madrid.  Manchester United if I can ever get the games over Basic Cable.

Hockey: Dallas Stars or the Minnesota Wild

College:  Yawn. 

Worlds Strongest Man: Marius Pujanowsky or Magnus Ver Magunuson

Midget Tossing: Sean "The Human Bullet" McCray

UFC: Dan "The Beast" Severn

Pancrase: Bas Rutten

Tennis:  Sereena Williams  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 20, 2007, 10:53:41 AM
I missed this one too and with condolences to ytterbiumanalyst (you'll see why in just a sec) I'll list mine:

BASEBALL: The Reigning World Champion BOSTON RED SOX  (Sorry about '04 ytt)

With a 162 game schedule and a pre- and post-season that runs from mid-February to November I don't have the time or the energy for other sports. I have to watch or listen to EVERY Red Sox game...

Stephen
Aaaarrrggghh! My wound! My wound! ;D :laugh:

Ah, we got our World Championship a couple of years later (yeah, you got two, big deal). True about the listening/watching. I don't get Fox Sports, which carries most of the Cardinals games, but I do get to listen on mlb.com (I'm in a blackout zone for MLB.TV, but I can listen). $15 a year; it's totally worth it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Navigator on December 20, 2007, 11:08:37 AM
Aaaarrrggghh! My wound! My wound! ;D :laugh:

Ah, we got our World Championship a couple of years later

Yeah, but then we unseated you as the reigning World Champs in October :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 20, 2007, 12:56:14 PM
Shall I bring up all the world championships we've had since you lost Babe Ruth? ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on December 20, 2007, 05:06:22 PM
Fukodome!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Ian Lazarus on December 20, 2007, 05:31:12 PM
^

Watch your langauge! ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 20, 2007, 08:44:45 PM
Sweet Caroline, good times...

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Navigator on December 21, 2007, 09:40:39 AM
Sweet Caroline, good times...

Ahhh, my brother :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Navigator on December 21, 2007, 09:41:40 AM
Shall I bring up all the world championships we've had since you lost Babe Ruth? ;)

Awww, I'll just tell you what I tell all the Yankees fans who whine about the same thing:

"Yeah, and France was once a great nation so what's your point?" :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gregory1958 on February 22, 2008, 10:20:17 AM
College Football (the absolute best sport in the world  ;) ):  The University of Alabama Crimson Tide!  Roll Tide, Roll!
College Basketball:  Also, the U of A.
NBA:  couldn't care any less than I already do
NFL:  Miami Dolphins (but not a big NFL fan)
MLB:  Atlanta Braves
Hockey:  I'm COLD to that sport
Soccer:  Do they play soccer in America?  (Just kidding.  I grew up in a location and time when soccer was something we heard about on the news about once or twice a year.  There were no kids leagues, no high school soccer teams.  So, I don't know much about it and am not really interested.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: jayjay on February 22, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
Football (Real Football that is - Aussie Rules) St Kilda FC
Rugby League - Penrith Panthers/Melbourne Storm.

Gridiron (US Football) Minnesota Vikings (I saw them for the first time in '85 on tv when I was in Hawaii and they were playing SF. The commentators were going on and on about how much SF would win by, so I thought, stuff it, I'll go for the Vikings, and they won. Followed then ever since).

Cricket - Tasmania
College (Gridiron) Football - A soft spot for U.Sth Carolina (went to Uni in Columbia, SC).
Baseball - Anyone who plays New York!! (Ha Ha - was in the US long enough to dislike the NY baseball teams). Montreal Expos otherwise - beautiful city that stole my heart!! (If they are still about - the team that is).

Soccer - Yawn. Who could follow a sport when everyone gets excited when the score is 0-0??



Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Andrew21091 on March 28, 2008, 02:36:32 PM
Baseball - Detroit Tigers
Hockey - Detroit Red Wings
Basketball - Detroit Pistons
Rugby - New Zealand All Blacks
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on March 28, 2008, 04:26:43 PM
Montreal Expos otherwise - beautiful city that stole my heart!! (If they are still about - the team that is).

Soccer - Yawn. Who could follow a sport when everyone gets excited when the score is 0-0??

They aren't. By the way its Footie, not soccer. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on March 28, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
Baseball - Anyone who plays New York!! (Ha Ha - was in the US long enough to dislike the NY baseball teams). Montreal

Well, they're around, but not in Montreal anymore - they've moved to Washington, D.C.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 07, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
Just Manny being Manny.  ;)


NEW YORK - Manny Ramirez was suspended for 50 games by Major League Baseball on Thursday, becoming the latest high-profile player ensnared in the sport's drug scandals.


http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=277874
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 07, 2009, 05:21:17 PM
I don't know if anyone is interested but my Royals are doing pretty well right now.  Zach Greinke is a stud!

Royals are HOT right now!  And they've been winning some games too!  ;)  Watch out come September/October.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 07, 2009, 05:35:15 PM
Zack Greinke is quite a story, you're right!  He has allowed 2 earned runs in 6 starts.....crazy!  I'm sure the hitters will catch on somewhat after seeing him over 2 or 3 games, but I still think he'll have a ludicrously low ERA at the end of the year and an insane number of wins.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 07, 2009, 05:45:57 PM
^Actually, Pravoslavbob, Greinke's ERA after a 6-0 start is 0.40.  That's been done by only two other people.  One of them was Fernando Venenzuela back in 1980, I think.  Can't remember the other guy.  Either way, it's damn impressive.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 07, 2009, 07:51:15 PM
I know that that is what his earned run average is, but in order to compile numbers like that, he has allowed only 2 earned runs over a 6 game span and however many innings he worked in those games.  Those runs were scored against him by the Blue Jays in one game.  The Tigers garnered another unearned run against him in another game, and that's it!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on May 07, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
They are indeed impressive at the moment.  But the Central is tough.... We'll see how they stand up to the mid-season grind.

Meanwhile... CAVS and Hawks are about to tip-off (less than 15 minutes).  Playoffs trump regular season in my attention span.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on May 07, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Not much of a game... CAVS up by 19 with just under 6 min left in the first half.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 07, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
I know I've got some Penguin fans on here -- gotta say I'm pleased that the Caps are up 2-1.  Who's everybody like for a Stanley Cup semifinals and finals series?

I like:

EAST: Caps and Boston (if they can get it together v. Carolina), with Caps moving on.  I'm a sucker for the underdog.

WEST: Canucks (c'mon, Luongo!) and Detroit, with Canucks moving on (because I hate Detroit).

Anyways.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on May 07, 2009, 10:49:48 PM
Caps vs. Carolina, Caps win
Vancouver vs. Anaheim, Vancouver Win
Vancouver wins the Cup
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 07, 2009, 11:04:19 PM
The Cup ain't going to Canada...it's going to Beantown
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 08, 2009, 01:12:37 AM
How about that come-from-behind Blackhawks win over the Canucks tonight? 

I agree that I think it will be the Canucks and the Red Wings in the western conference final, but I think that Detroit will prevail and repeat as cup winners against the Hurricanes.

Did I mention that I absolutely loathe Anaheim?  Hopefully the Wings will prevail in that series despite the refs handing the last game to Anaheim on a platter because of the disallowed tying goal.  What a joke the officiating can be in the NHL.  (I note with some satisfaction that Detroit has just scored an empty-net goal to make it 6-3 in the third.....looks like this series is tied at 2.)  By the way DavidBryan, I am not a Detroit fan, I just dislike them less than Anaheim.  ;)  How did all those Wing fans get tickets tonight?  A lot of octopi on the ice in Anaheim.  lol.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 08, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
How about that come-from-behind Blackhawks win over the Canucks tonight? 

I agree that I think it will be the Canucks and the Red Wings in the western conference final, but I think that Detroit will prevail and repeat as cup winners against the Hurricanes.

Did I mention that I absolutely loathe Anaheim?  Hopefully the Wings will prevail in that series despite the refs handing the last game to Anaheim on a platter because of the disallowed tying goal.  What a joke the officiating can be in the NHL.  (I note with some satisfaction that Detroit has just scored an empty-net goal to make it 6-3 in the third.....looks like this series is tied at 2.)  By the way DavidBryan, I am not a Detroit fan, I just dislike them less than Anaheim.  ;)  How did all those Wing fans get tickets tonight?  A lot of octopi on the ice in Anaheim.  lol.

Ugh.  Well, I'm not surprised that Detroit won.  I'm surprised that it's not already over.  They'll pull it out over Anaheim, to be sure.  Luongo is doing everything he can (and that's a lot), but when your best scorers in the series aren't well known players and your defense is letting shot after shot go on your goalie, something's gonna give.  Sigh.  I think this series (Hawks/'Nucks) is going to be the one to watch. 

Mmm.  I hope the Canucks win, because Chicago just doesn't have the defense nor the goaltender to deal w/Detroit's offense.

Not that I have any love for the Ducks, Bob, but what's with the hatred for Anaheim?  :D

I just realized I never made a call on the Cup.  My call's the same as Ukie re: the teams, but...I dunno.  Both Luongo and Varlamov are the hinges on which their teams turn.  That would be one series where it would absolutely be won by whichever offense happened to show up four times.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on May 08, 2009, 02:37:51 PM
Caps vs. Carolina, Caps win
Vancouver vs. Anaheim, Vancouver Win
Vancouver wins the Cup
Blues suck for most of the year, then rally at the end to make the playoffs.
Blues lose to the first team they play.
I stop watching hockey until next year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PoorFoolNicholas on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 PM
I hate sports....that is all.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 08, 2009, 03:29:16 PM
Caps vs. Carolina, Caps win
Vancouver vs. Anaheim, Vancouver Win
Vancouver wins the Cup
Blues suck for most of the year, then rally at the end to make the playoffs.
Blues lose to the first team they play.
I stop watching hockey until next year.

Ditto Stars, except I watch whatever hockey I can.  Channel 5.3 on the digital network TV is broadcasting the IIHL games; fun stuff.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 08, 2009, 06:51:54 PM
I hate sports....that is all.

I'm sorry.  Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 08, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
^Actually, Pravoslavbob, Greinke's ERA after a 6-0 start is 0.40.  That's been done by only two other people.  One of them was Fernando Venenzuela back in 1980, I think.  Can't remember the other guy.  Either way, it's damn impressive.
I think Randy Johnson did something like that once.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 08, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
^Actually, Pravoslavbob, Greinke's ERA after a 6-0 start is 0.40.  That's been done by only two other people.  One of them was Fernando Venenzuela back in 1980, I think.  Can't remember the other guy.  Either way, it's damn impressive.
I think Randy Johnson did something like that once.

Not according to ESPN who compiled the stats of starting pitchers who went 6-0 with an ERA under .50.  There were only the three--Greinke, Venenzuela and some other guy.  I'm not going to argue with those guys.

BTW, how close is Johnson to winning #300?  Now that is far more impressive than a .50 ERA.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: AMM on May 08, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
The Ecumenical Patriarch sucks.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 08, 2009, 09:52:43 PM
The Ecumenical Patriarch sucks.

Whoa, dude!  Where'd this statement come from?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 08, 2009, 11:08:30 PM
^^He's just riffing on how the EP takes flak in all kinds of threads that may or may not have ANYTHING to do with him.  Random, but funny.   :D

Anyway...jiminy...alls I can say is that if the Caps are gonna hang Varly out to dry like that again they deserve to go down to the Pens.  Seriously: WHERE was the defense when Federov was down there??

Crazy.  Everyone's tied 2-2 now except for (!) Carolina over Boston!  Careful, Jakub...!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 09, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
I find the EP comment is totally uncalled for...on this thread or any other

Heck, I almost spit out a mouthful of precious Dos Equis on the old lap top...



Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 10, 2009, 04:38:33 PM
Not that I have any love for the Ducks, Bob, but what's with the hatred for Anaheim?  :D

Hmmm.  I'll try outlining in a list format why I have such trouble with the Ducks.

1.  Chris Pronger is on their team.
2.  They may be the dirtiest team in the league.
3.  I am a Senators fan.....I don't really understand how the Ducks managed to beat the Wings in 2007 to get to the final, and, well, need I go into the rest? haha.
4.  IMHO they aren't that interesting a team to watch, though they do sometimes display an admirable dogged determination. 
And finally, #5:  Chris Pronger is on their team.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 10, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
Simple resolution, have Pronger traded to the Senators...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on May 11, 2009, 12:01:05 AM
Simple resolution, have Pronger traded to the Senators...

Funny.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on May 11, 2009, 10:34:58 AM
Did somebody say something about the Capitals getting to the finals?

Go Pens!


Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 11, 2009, 10:52:17 AM
^Actually, Pravoslavbob, Greinke's ERA after a 6-0 start is 0.40.  That's been done by only two other people.  One of them was Fernando Venenzuela back in 1980, I think.  Can't remember the other guy.  Either way, it's damn impressive.
I think Randy Johnson did something like that once.

Not according to ESPN who compiled the stats of starting pitchers who went 6-0 with an ERA under .50.  There were only the three--Greinke, Venenzuela and some other guy.  I'm not going to argue with those guys.

BTW, how close is Johnson to winning #300?  Now that is far more impressive than a .50 ERA.

I'll be impressed when someone breaks Cy Young's win record. 512 is the magic number.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 13, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
^Actually, Pravoslavbob, Greinke's ERA after a 6-0 start is 0.40.  That's been done by only two other people.  One of them was Fernando Venenzuela back in 1980, I think.  Can't remember the other guy.  Either way, it's damn impressive.
I think Randy Johnson did something like that once.

Not according to ESPN who compiled the stats of starting pitchers who went 6-0 with an ERA under .50.  There were only the three--Greinke, Venenzuela and some other guy.  I'm not going to argue with those guys.

BTW, how close is Johnson to winning #300?  Now that is far more impressive than a .50 ERA.

I'll be impressed when someone breaks Cy Young's win record. 512 is the magic number.

-Nick
Yeah, and Cy Young pitched every other day, too.  Ain't no manager even going to think about allowing a starting pitcher to do that nowadays.

Hey, did anyone happen to see the Phillies' Jayson Werth steal second, third, and home on the same trip around the bases during the seventh inning of yesterday's game against the Dodgers? :o

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/For-one-night-Jayson-Werth-goes-klepto-on-the-b?urn=mlb,163155
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 13, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
Did anyone see Dodger center fielder Matt Kemp score from 2nd on a bunt ?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on May 14, 2009, 11:30:41 AM
Did anyone see Dodger center fielder Matt Kemp score from 2nd on a bunt ?
You're kidding me! Is there a video of this?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 14, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Did anyone see Dodger center fielder Matt Kemp score from 2nd on a bunt ?


No, but I saw 2 homeruns get called back on replay.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 17, 2009, 10:17:41 PM
Bye, bye, Celtics!  Orlando starts 4th Quarter w/ 13-1 run to expand their 5 point lead after 3 and bury Boston.

It's time now for King James to take the crown. ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 17, 2009, 11:58:47 PM
King James reign will end in LA...

Celtics were doomed without Garnett...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 18, 2009, 12:18:23 AM
King James reign will end in LA...
Nah!  Cleveland has been deadly consistent, while the Lakers have been self-admittedly bipolar.

Celtics were doomed without Garnett...
Yup.  No doubt about that.  No one to match up on Dwight Howard to keep him from pulling down rebounds and scoring points.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 18, 2009, 12:23:01 AM
Who has defeated Cleveland at home ?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Alveus Lacuna on May 18, 2009, 12:36:20 AM
It's all about the Royals!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 18, 2009, 12:44:58 AM
Who has defeated Cleveland at home ?
Like that matters in the NBA Finals?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 18, 2009, 01:25:12 AM
Everything matters...when Phil gets into your head
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 18, 2009, 03:00:07 AM
Everything matters...when Phil gets into your head
Didn't help the Lakers against Boston last year, especially that last game when the Celtics beat LA by 32.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on May 18, 2009, 07:22:20 PM
King James reign will end in LA...

Celtics were doomed without Garnett...

I agree.  Although, I really thought they were going to beat the Magic and then lose to the Cavs.

I'm a big KG fan, and I was not happy with the news of his injury.  :(

Was anyone here shocked as I was when KG decided to leave Minnesota last year to join the Celtics?   There were rumors of him leaving, but it was to join the Lakers though, not the Celtics.
And I totally was not happy seeing Paul Pierce getting MVP last year.  If anything, Ray Allen in my opinion deserved it more (if not KG).

PS I think Cavs will beat Orlando 4-0, Lakers will beat Nuggets 4-3, and Cavs will beat Lakers 4-0.  I can smell it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 18, 2009, 07:49:37 PM
King James reign will end in LA...

Celtics were doomed without Garnett...

I agree.  Although, I really thought they were going to beat the Magic and then lose to the Cavs.

I'm a big KG fan, and I was not happy with the news of his injury.  :(

Was anyone here shocked as I was when KG decided to leave Minnesota last year to join the Celtics?   There were rumors of him leaving, but it was to join the Lakers though, not the Celtics.
And I totally was not happy seeing Paul Pierce getting MVP last year.  If anything, Ray Allen in my opinion deserved it more (if not KG).

PS I think Cavs will beat Orlando 4-0, Lakers will beat Nuggets 4-3, and Cavs will beat Lakers 4-0.  I can smell it.
So, you think the Cavs will actually do what no one else has done before:  win every playoff game?  Of course, they just became the first team to ever win their first eight playoff games by double-digit margins.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on May 18, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
King James reign will end in LA...

Celtics were doomed without Garnett...

I agree.  Although, I really thought they were going to beat the Magic and then lose to the Cavs.

I'm a big KG fan, and I was not happy with the news of his injury.  :(

Was anyone here shocked as I was when KG decided to leave Minnesota last year to join the Celtics?   There were rumors of him leaving, but it was to join the Lakers though, not the Celtics.
And I totally was not happy seeing Paul Pierce getting MVP last year.  If anything, Ray Allen in my opinion deserved it more (if not KG).

PS I think Cavs will beat Orlando 4-0, Lakers will beat Nuggets 4-3, and Cavs will beat Lakers 4-0.  I can smell it.
So, you think the Cavs will actually do what no one else has done before:  win every playoff game?  Of course, they just became the first team to ever win their first eight playoff games by double-digit margins.

I just have a feeling that this time, it will happen.  But I know chances are I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 21, 2009, 10:37:29 PM
What happened to those Cavs and King James ? They lost at home to...the Magic  :P

Who knew...  8)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 21, 2009, 10:46:01 PM
What happened to those Cavs and King James ? They lost at home to...the Magic  :P

Who knew...  8)
But I don't think they'll lose another home game in this series.  They know now that they can't just stand around and let King James carry the team over the Magic by himself.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 22, 2009, 12:05:57 AM
As long as King James has no real help, SuperHoward and the Magic win the series.

I can't wait to see King James sprinkle his magic dust for the Knicks.  He will bring the Knicks back to glory just as KG did for the Celtics.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 22, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
As long as King James has no real help, SuperHoward and the Magic win the series.
Oh, King James has teammates capable of giving him the help he needs, as evidenced by Cleveland's ability to jump out to a 15-point halftime lead.  They just need to keep active for the whole 48 minutes and not grow complacent to the point of sitting back and watching LeBron attack the defense by himself.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 22, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
As long as King James has no real help, SuperHoward and the Magic win the series.
Oh, King James has teammates capable of giving him the help he needs, as evidenced by Cleveland's ability to jump out to a 15-point halftime lead.  They just need to keep active for the whole 48 minutes and not grow complacent to the point of sitting back and watching LeBron attack the defense by himself.

Thanks for reminding me, The Cavs coach is nothing like zen master Phil Jackson. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 23, 2009, 01:21:52 AM
Looks like King James just one-upped the last superstar basketball player to wear his number 23.  Remember Michael Jordan over the Cavaliers' Craig Ehlo?  Now it's LeBron James over Hedo Turkoglu.  (buzzer-beating 3-pointer to win Game 2 by 1 and tie the series at 1-1)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 23, 2009, 07:33:58 PM
One lucky shot...but he's not in Jordan's league yet
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 24, 2009, 04:10:49 AM
One lucky shot...but he's not in Jordan's league yet
But then neither was Jordan when he hit the shot over Ehlo (in that MJ was still a few years away from winning his first NBA title).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 26, 2009, 12:08:28 PM
One lucky shot...but he's not in Jordan's league yet
But then neither was Jordan when he hit the shot over Ehlo (in that MJ was still a few years away from winning his first NBA title).

LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on May 26, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
One lucky shot...but he's not in Jordan's league yet
But then neither was Jordan when he hit the shot over Ehlo (in that MJ was still a few years away from winning his first NBA title).

LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.
Wasn't Michael Jordan's league the NBA? ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 26, 2009, 01:02:41 PM
LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

King James will surpass Jordan if he signs with the Knicks or Panathiakos in Greece or China's #1 team.   ;)

I'm a Knick fan - through good and bad - through Ewing's missed tip in against the Pacers on May 21, 1995.   :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on May 26, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
boy was i wrong...twice!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 26, 2009, 03:13:19 PM
LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

King James will surpass Jordan if he signs with the Knicks or Panathiakos in Greece or China's #1 team.   ;)

I'm a Knick fan - through good and bad - through Ewing's missed tip in against the Pacers on May 21, 1995.   :'(

I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 26, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick

As you said, NBA Parity will cost James his chance to eclipse Jordan.  Look at Orlando knocking off Boston (without an injured KG).  James is still young except it is more difficult to win back to back Championships never mind 6.  That is why for the right price, James can establish international fame by playing in China (as rumored) or Greece (as rumored).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 26, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick

As you said, NBA Parity will cost James his chance to eclipse Jordan.  Look at Orlando knocking off Boston (without an injured KG).  James is still young except it is more difficult to win back to back Championships never mind 6.  That is why for the right price, James can establish international fame by playing in China (as rumored) or Greece (as rumored).

Not even Orlando, the Bulls almost knocked off the defending champions..........

-nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 26, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

King James will surpass Jordan if he signs with the Knicks or Panathiakos in Greece or China's #1 team.   ;)

I'm a Knick fan - through good and bad - through Ewing's missed tip in against the Pacers on May 21, 1995.   :'(

I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick
I'd be willing to bet that Jordan would have never won an NBA title if he didn't have Scottie Pippen as his sidekick.  Everyone likes to point out that Pippen never won an NBA title without Jordan, which is correct.  But what most of these pundits overlook in their Jordan-mania is that Jordan never won an NBA title without Pippen, either.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Schultz on May 26, 2009, 04:51:46 PM
Not to change the current subject, but I'm looking in my closet for the broom.

LETS GO PENS
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 26, 2009, 04:53:41 PM
As most of us saw, the 2004 Greek Olympic team picked and rolled their way around the US team, with Lebron James.

Wouldn't James just want to play with these pick and roll artists and Jeff van Gundy learning Greek and coaching Panathiakos.   :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 26, 2009, 05:17:40 PM
As most of us saw, the 2004 Greek Olympic team picked and rolled their way around the US team, with Lebron James.
But King James has since worked on his defense to the point that he actually finished second this year (incidentally, to Dwight Howard, the centerpiece of the Orlando Magic defense LeBron now has to attack) in the NBA Defensive Player of the Year voting.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 26, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
But King James has since worked on his defense to the point that he actually finished second this year (incidentally, to Dwight Howard, the centerpiece of the Orlando Magic defense LeBron now has to attack) in the NBA Defensive Player of the Year voting.

What a difference 5 years makes.  Without a sidekick a la Pippen, James will be known only for his magic dust.

In Greece, James could average 45 pts a game and have 2 or 3 Scottie Pippen wannabes as a competent supporting cast.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 26, 2009, 05:30:23 PM
But King James has since worked on his defense to the point that he actually finished second this year (incidentally, to Dwight Howard, the centerpiece of the Orlando Magic defense LeBron now has to attack) in the NBA Defensive Player of the Year voting.

What a difference 5 years makes.  Without a sidekick a la Pippen, James will be known only for his magic dust.

In Greece, James could average 45 pts a game and have 2 or 3 Scottie Pippen wannabes as a competent supporting cast.   ;)
But, when NBA players take winning the Olympic Gold seriously, no international team can beat them.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 27, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

King James will surpass Jordan if he signs with the Knicks or Panathiakos in Greece or China's #1 team.   ;)

I'm a Knick fan - through good and bad - through Ewing's missed tip in against the Pacers on May 21, 1995.   :'(

I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick
I'd be willing to bet that Jordan would have never won an NBA title if he didn't have Scottie Pippen as his sidekick.  Everyone likes to point out that Pippen never won an NBA title without Jordan, which is correct.  But what most of these pundits overlook in their Jordan-mania is that Jordan never won an NBA title without Pippen, either.

I can see that supported, but I would wager that Pippen could've been replaced and the Bulls still would've won. In 1998 when the Bulls went 62-20 Pippen only Played in 44 games that season. If they won every game Pippen played in, they would've had an 18-20 record extrapolating this over 82 games would give you approximately a 41-41 record. Now thats probably stretching it since I'm sure they lost games that Pippen played in, so that would change the stats. It would be interesting to run a sim on one of those basketball games from the 90s to see what the Bulls would do with and withhout Pippen.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 27, 2009, 01:42:14 PM
King James and his court look like they're going to become the victims of a Magic Siege!

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on May 27, 2009, 01:46:29 PM
I was so wrong....

Never again am I going to back a flawless record...sheesh!  They were so on fire.  Man if Orlando struggled against Celtics, then what does that say about a KG-less Celtics against the Cavs?

What a shame!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 27, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
LeBron James will NEVER be in Michael Jordan's League.

King James will surpass Jordan if he signs with the Knicks or Panathiakos in Greece or China's #1 team.   ;)

I'm a Knick fan - through good and bad - through Ewing's missed tip in against the Pacers on May 21, 1995.   :'(

I seriously doubt Jordan will be surpassed by James. James is not the all around player that Jordan was, nor is he able to single handedly carry his team through the playoffs. Further, the teams these days are weaker than the teams in the 80s and 90s when Jordan played. James may statistically pass Jordan, but he will never be greater than Jordan.

-Nick
I'd be willing to bet that Jordan would have never won an NBA title if he didn't have Scottie Pippen as his sidekick.  Everyone likes to point out that Pippen never won an NBA title without Jordan, which is correct.  But what most of these pundits overlook in their Jordan-mania is that Jordan never won an NBA title without Pippen, either.

I can see that supported, but I would wager that Pippen could've been replaced and the Bulls still would've won. In 1998 when the Bulls went 62-20 Pippen only Played in 44 games that season. If they won every game Pippen played in, they would've had an 18-20 record extrapolating this over 82 games would give you approximately a 41-41 record. Now thats probably stretching it since I'm sure they lost games that Pippen played in, so that would change the stats. It would be interesting to run a sim on one of those basketball games from the 90s to see what the Bulls would do with and withhout Pippen.

-Nick
Well, it looks as if Jordan had just started to hit his prime when Pippen joined the Bulls and Pippen had just started his decline when Jordan left the Bulls for good after the 1998 championship.  The Bulls were certainly blessed to have both athletes playing together in their primes.  Mike and Scottie made so much court magic together.

BTW, I still haven't forgiven Jordan for knocking down five three-pointers in the first half of Game 1 against my Blazers (1992 NBA Finals). >:(  Just kidding. ;)  Even though the Blazers lost that series, I considered it a great treat to be able to watch those two teams go head to head, when my summer military training allowed--I was on a 2-week exercise with many of the Marines from my reserve battalion.  The matchup of Clyde Drexler vs. Michael Jordan, the two best shooting guards of that day, was a spectacle to see!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 27, 2009, 02:32:09 PM
I still can't swallow how Jordan dropped double nickel (55) on the Knicks to the chagrin of Spike Lee, Jay-Z and other luminaries at Madison Square Garden.   :o
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 27, 2009, 02:50:07 PM
Yes, but we love Portland for taking Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan in the '84 draft. We also love how even with the help of Hugh Hollins, the Knicks still couldn't win a title even with a Jordan-less Bulls.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 27, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
Yes, but we love Portland for taking Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan in the '84 draft.
Yup.  The more I read about the Bowie Draft Bust, the more I realize just how boneheaded the selection was.  ISTM that everyone knew Bowie was an injury waiting to happen and that he didn't have enough of an upside to overcome this.  That explains the recent cry when Greg Oden sat out the whole year immediately following his selection in the 2007 draft and knee surgery.  Yes, he missed much of the one year of college ball he played at the OSU, but most pundits hailed him as the best player in the draft and the best big man since Yao Ming.  Whereas nobody expected Portland to pick Bowie, most everyone expected us to pick Oden.

Of course, we still had a good chance at a superstar big man when we drafted Arvydas Sabonis in 1986, but he chose to play a couple more years in Lithuania before joining the Blazers and ended up blowing out his Achilles tendon.  He recovered enough to remain an all star, but he was never able to return to the overwhelmingly dominant all-around play that would have possibly drawn comparisons to some of the all-time greatest NBA centers.  If the Blazers had a healthy Sabonis in the lineup with Porter and Drexler and Kersey, we would have still been the talk of the 90's instead of the Bulls, even after the Bowie Draft Bust.  Oh well.  Does no good to commiserate about what might have been. :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 27, 2009, 07:07:36 PM
^ Allen Iverson can always develop a love for roses.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 27, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
King James and his court look like they're going to become the victims of a Magic Siege!

-Nick

SuperHoward negates magic dust.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on May 27, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
^ Allen Iverson can always develop a love for roses.   ;)
Nah.  We just got rid of a bunch of headaches.  We don't want another one. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 28, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
Can't anyone else play hockey besides Pittsburgh & Detroit?

Can the Nuggets come back from 3-2 deficit?

How about them O's!

Go Rafa, Vajamos!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 28, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
Can't anyone else play hockey besides Pittsburgh & Detroit?

Apparently, not recently.  Man, was I off...so much for going for the underdog...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Schultz on May 28, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
IT'S AN IRON CITY YEAR!

LET'S GO PENS!!!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 28, 2009, 11:43:01 PM
What no Canadian Team playing for the Cup ? Intolerable...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 29, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
What no Canadian Team playing for the Cup ? Intolerable...

What, you're not used to it by now?  No Canadian team has won it since Montreal in '93.  Since then, only three Canadian teams have even SEEN the finals, and all three have lost it to US teams('94 Canucks, '05 Oilers, '06 Senators).

What's the Canadian press make of this complete league takeover of what is traditionally a Canadian sport?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on May 29, 2009, 02:08:33 PM
First, the Superbowl, now, the Stanley Cup!

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 29, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
As much as it pains me, I am forced to root for the Red Wings.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on May 29, 2009, 03:24:58 PM
I will be deep in my cold cold grave before I ever cheer for Detroit! 

Knowing my luck, though, God is probably a Redwings fan!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 29, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
I will be deep in my cold cold grave before I ever cheer for Detroit! 

Amen, brother!

Due to my having family members in Pittsburgh...go Pens!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on May 29, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
As much as it pains me, I am forced to root for the Red Wings.

-Nick

Commie!
 ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on May 29, 2009, 04:11:32 PM
As much as it pains me, I am forced to root for the Red Wings.

-Nick

Commie!
 ;)


"You see this skull here? This is my skull, I own it, you know what that makes this?  Trotsky's skull!" -Lev. Trotsky
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on May 29, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
As much as it pains me, I am forced to root for the Red Wings.

-Nick

Commie!
 ;)


"You see this skull here? This is my skull, I own it, you know what that makes this?  Trotsky's skull!" -Lev. Trotsky

Ah, I LOVE David Ives.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on May 30, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
Hey Pete,

The Lak-ers are in, so what's the deal ?

No, I'm a Celtic fan in L.A.  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on May 31, 2009, 01:15:18 AM
NBA Finals - one high school to NBA star (Kobe) vs. another high school to NBA star (SuperHoward) who defeated another high school to NBA star (James) and the first high school to NBA star (Garnett but he was injured).

This could be the Magic's Year.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on June 02, 2009, 12:20:25 PM
See, the reason that Lebron James will never be in Michael Jordan's class is because of the lack of respect James has for his fellow players. Thats very nice to teach the young basketball players,

If you don't win, just walk away, you're a competitor, theres no reason to congratulate the other team. They just beat you, they don't need congratulating...... Come on, seriously, is that what we're supposed to be teaching our kids about sports?

What happened to try your best, do what you can and in the end, the best team will win? But the most important thing is that everyone has fun and a good time. When did we get away from that? I think King James needs to get put in his place for that one.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 02, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
See, the reason that Lebron James will never be in Michael Jordan's class is because of the lack of respect James has for his fellow players. Thats very nice to teach the young basketball players,

If you don't win, just walk away, you're a competitor, theres no reason to congratulate the other team. They just beat you, they don't need congratulating...... Come on, seriously, is that what we're supposed to be teaching our kids about sports?

What happened to try your best, do what you can and in the end, the best team will win? But the most important thing is that everyone has fun and a good time. When did we get away from that? I think King James needs to get put in his place for that one.

-Nick
I don't think so.  From what I've read, LeBron James has developed a reputation of always respecting his teammates and his opponents.  He has, to my knowledge, never been known to publicly berate his coaches or the play of his teammates, nor has he ever been heard complaining about his place in the Cavaliers franchise.  In short, LeBron has been nothing but a class act.  Yes, he stormed off the court after losing Game 6 without shaking his opponents' hands or talking to the media, which should be seen as poor sportsmanship, but that event was so truly exceptional for LeBron that the NBA chose to not even penalize him for it.

Now, for your praise of Michael Jordan, I wonder if this might not be tinged with a bit of nostalgic historic revisionism.  I've read it said that, early in his career, Jordan cared little for anything else but his own scoring totals, and that it took a bit of Phil Jackson's mastery of psychology to get MJ on the same page with Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls team.  Can you refute this?  If not, then I'd say that LeBron is actually years ahead of where Jordan was in his development as a team player after the same number of years in the league.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 02, 2009, 04:34:08 PM
Yes, he stormed off the court after losing Game 6 without shaking his opponents' hands or talking to the media, which should be seen as poor sportsmanship, but that event was so truly exceptional for LeBron that the NBA chose to not even penalize him for it.
But (quoting my own post rather than modify it), I certainly do agree that LeBron should have been penalized for his childish act of poor sportsmanship, so, no, I don't want to be seen as justifying his post-game behavior.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on June 02, 2009, 04:39:57 PM
See, the reason that Lebron James will never be in Michael Jordan's class is because of the lack of respect James has for his fellow players. Thats very nice to teach the young basketball players,

If you don't win, just walk away, you're a competitor, theres no reason to congratulate the other team. They just beat you, they don't need congratulating...... Come on, seriously, is that what we're supposed to be teaching our kids about sports?

What happened to try your best, do what you can and in the end, the best team will win? But the most important thing is that everyone has fun and a good time. When did we get away from that? I think King James needs to get put in his place for that one.

-Nick
I don't think so.  From what I've read, LeBron James has developed a reputation of always respecting his teammates and his opponents.  He has, to my knowledge, never been known to publicly berate his coaches or the play of his teammates, nor has he ever been heard complaining about his place in the Cavaliers franchise.  In short, LeBron has been nothing but a class act.  Yes, he stormed off the court after losing Game 6 without shaking his opponents' hands or talking to the media, which should be seen as poor sportsmanship, but that event was so truly exceptional for LeBron that the NBA chose to not even penalize him for it.

I don't fault athletes for what adult men typically do when defeated and full of adrenaline (i.e. stomp away, scream, be indignant... everything short of fisticuffs).

Now, for your praise of Michael Jordan, I wonder if this might not be tinged with a bit of nostalgic historic revisionism.  I've read it said that, early in his career, Jordan cared little for anything else but his own scoring totals, and that it took a bit of Phil Jackson's mastery of psychology to get MJ on the same page with Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls team.  Can you refute this?  If not, then I'd say that LeBron is actually years ahead of where Jordan was in his development as a team player after the same number of years in the league.

Oh, Michael was an infamously bad teammate with regards to calling others out, berating them, being a bad sport, not involving others (especially early), etc.  Historical revisionism is a mild way of putting the romanticizing of MJ's personality and mannerisms.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on June 02, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
See, the reason that Lebron James will never be in Michael Jordan's class is because of the lack of respect James has for his fellow players. Thats very nice to teach the young basketball players,

If you don't win, just walk away, you're a competitor, theres no reason to congratulate the other team. They just beat you, they don't need congratulating...... Come on, seriously, is that what we're supposed to be teaching our kids about sports?

What happened to try your best, do what you can and in the end, the best team will win? But the most important thing is that everyone has fun and a good time. When did we get away from that? I think King James needs to get put in his place for that one.

-Nick
I don't think so.  From what I've read, LeBron James has developed a reputation of always respecting his teammates and his opponents.  He has, to my knowledge, never been known to publicly berate his coaches or the play of his teammates, nor has he ever been heard complaining about his place in the Cavaliers franchise.  In short, LeBron has been nothing but a class act.  Yes, he stormed off the court after losing Game 6 without shaking his opponents' hands or talking to the media, which should be seen as poor sportsmanship, but that event was so truly exceptional for LeBron that the NBA chose to not even penalize him for it.

Now, for your praise of Michael Jordan, I wonder if this might not be tinged with a bit of nostalgic historic revisionism.  I've read it said that, early in his career, Jordan cared little for anything else but his own scoring totals, and that it took a bit of Phil Jackson's mastery of psychology to get MJ on the same page with Scottie Pippen and the rest of the Bulls team.  Can you refute this?  If not, then I'd say that LeBron is actually years ahead of where Jordan was in his development as a team player after the same number of years in the league.

While I personally can't refute that one, I am by no means a scholar of the Bulls. It certainly does sound like Jordan early in his career, but consider not so much that he walked off the court (Detroit did that to the Bulls more than once, even Scottie Pippen did that) but its what he said after the game that struck a cord with me:

" "It's hard for me to congratulate somebody after you just lose to them," he said. "I'm a winner. It's not being a poor sport or anything like that. If somebody beats you up, you're not going to congratulate them. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm a competitor. That's what I do. It doesn't make sense for me to go over and shake somebody's hand." " http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4222452 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4222452)

It doesn't make sense for me to go over and shake somebody's hand? I'm a winner, I'm a competitor, that's what I do? Since when is this the teamwork motto? Mr. Jordan never once said anything of this sort. Further, the fine wasn't going to come from his diatribe above, but rather from refusing to talk to the media. The fine had nothing to do with LeBron not shaking hands.

In all respects though, Lebron really does need to learn to be a good sport and congratulate a winner, especially on national TV. Unless of course we are trying to teach everyone that winning is the only thing that counts.... And if that's the case, I'm glad I've gotten past that phase.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on June 05, 2009, 10:46:25 PM
Yes, he stormed off the court after losing Game 6 without shaking his opponents' hands or talking to the media, which should be seen as poor sportsmanship, but that event was so truly exceptional for LeBron that the NBA chose to not even penalize him for it.
But (quoting my own post rather than modify it), I certainly do agree that LeBron should have been penalized for his childish act of poor sportsmanship, so, no, I don't want to be seen as justifying his post-game behavior.

Well, that all changed recently:

http://www.nba.com/2009/playoffs2009/06/04/lebron.fined.ap/index.html

I also like this article about the lack of humility and the hypocritical display of players:

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/vince_thomas/06/02/lebron.humility/index.html

Speaking of the Bulls, Rodman is joining celebrity rehab.  Loved him as a player.  Not sure if I can say the same for his personality.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 05, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
I hear crickets...and no Redwing or Penquin chatter, amazing...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on June 06, 2009, 02:07:22 PM
I hear crickets...and no Redwing or Penquin chatter, amazing...

Well, it's pretty much played itself out like everyone thought and/or hoped it would...Wings unbeatable in Joe Louis, Pens return fire by capitalizing on home ice advantage.  I can easily see a game seven in the works here, and am stoked about tonight's game.  If the Pens could pull of what seems to be impossible -- beating the almost superhuman Wings on their turf -- tonight, it would be a huge momentum shift for Pittsburgh.  Thing is, they pretty much need to play like the series depends on tonight, methinks; it's a huge deal for the Pens to win in Detroit.  Wouldn't be so much of a surprise for the Wings to win in the Igloo.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 07, 2009, 12:27:14 AM
The Red Wings are the only successful entity in all of Michigan until the Lions win Super Bowl XLIV.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 07, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
The Red Wings are the only successful entity in all of Michigan until the Lions win Super Bowl XLIV.   ;D
Super Bowl XLIV?  Try Super Bowl MCXLIV, for that's the next time the Lions are going to win it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 07, 2009, 01:41:31 AM
Lions winning ... what ? As Jim Rome use to say "Drug Test"
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 07, 2009, 03:06:29 AM
Lions winning ... what ? As Jim Rome use to say "Drug Test"
Yup.  Test first those who think the Lions have a chance of winning.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 07, 2009, 11:09:34 PM
The Red Wings are the only successful entity in all of Michigan until the Lions win Super Bowl XLIV.   ;D
Super Bowl XLIV?  Try Super Bowl MCXLIV, for that's the next time the Lions are going to win it.

Only if the NFL still exists in the year 3109.   ::)  The Lions are bound to win sooner - didn't Dallas go 1-15 before a Super Bowl victory?  Weren't the Patriots 1-15 a few years before their first Super Bowl victory?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 07, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
Take heart, Buffalo is 0-4 in Super Bowl's...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Bogoliubtsy on June 07, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
Hey...newsflash. It's baseball season.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 07, 2009, 11:40:45 PM
Baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet...Goverment Motors
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Bogoliubtsy on June 07, 2009, 11:49:02 PM
Baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet...Goverment Motors

You're making me rethink my allegiance to the Red Sox. Hey, it was either government motors or no motors.

I'm actually kind of glad we don't have Manny this year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 08, 2009, 12:31:29 AM
^ Big Papi is a shadow of himself without Manny...L.A. luvs Manram
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 08, 2009, 02:43:24 AM
The Red Wings are the only successful entity in all of Michigan until the Lions win Super Bowl XLIV.   ;D
Super Bowl XLIV?  Try Super Bowl MCXLIV, for that's the next time the Lions are going to win it.

Only if the NFL still exists in the year 3109.   ::)  The Lions are bound to win sooner - didn't Dallas go 1-15 before a Super Bowl victory?  Weren't the Patriots 1-15 a few years before their first Super Bowl victory?
But I've never heard of a team winning the Super Bowl the year after a season in which they won no more than one game.  There's a reason the Lions suck:  They're the worst run franchise in the entire NFL.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on June 08, 2009, 12:13:39 PM
The Red Wings are the only successful entity in all of Michigan until the Lions win Super Bowl XLIV.   ;D
Super Bowl XLIV?  Try Super Bowl MCXLIV, for that's the next time the Lions are going to win it.

Only if the NFL still exists in the year 3109.   ::)  The Lions are bound to win sooner - didn't Dallas go 1-15 before a Super Bowl victory?  Weren't the Patriots 1-15 a few years before their first Super Bowl victory?
But I've never heard of a team winning the Super Bowl the year after a season in which they won no more than one game.  There's a reason the Lions suck:  They're the worst run franchise in the entire NFL.

No, that would be the Bears who picked up the head coach of the 1-15 Lions as a line coach........

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 08, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
But I've never heard of a team winning the Super Bowl the year after a season in which they won no more than one game.  There's a reason the Lions suck:  They're the worst run franchise in the entire NFL.

So were the Patriots.   ;)  The Lions could win 7-9 games a year and make the playoffs in the 1990's while the Patriots were rotting in mediocrity.  Maybe the Lions are due for a resurgance.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on June 08, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
I'm going to be at Fenway Park tomorrow night to watch the New York/Boston game. As you might know, depending on the outcome of tonight's game, the Yankees will arrive in Boston either 1/2 game ahead or tied for first place with the Red Sox.

After some consideration, I've decided not to be a wuss and will go to the game decked out in Yankees gear.

If I don't make it home alive, farewell to all.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 08, 2009, 08:56:53 PM
Gimme your section and seat #... I'll have some familia meet & greet ya
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Bogoliubtsy on June 08, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
I'm going to be at Fenway Park tomorrow night to watch the New York/Boston game. As you might know, depending on the outcome of tonight's game, the Yankees will arrive in Boston either 1/2 game ahead or tied for first place with the Red Sox.

After some consideration, I've decided not to be a wuss and will go to the game decked out in Yankees gear.

If I don't make it home alive, farewell to all.

I've seen worse. Yankees fans at Fenway running around with brooms and yankees gear yelling "SWEEP!" in game 5 of a 5 game series- all were lost by Boston.  That guy only had beers thrown at him, so I'm sure you'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on June 08, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
Gimme your section and seat #... I'll have some familia meet & greet ya

Your offer made made me think of that Paul Simon song...

If you'll be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal...

I won't call you Betty if you won't call me Al!  :D


I'll go find the ticket and get back to ya.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on June 09, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
Grandstand section 8, row 2. Here's a photo from that area. Actually pretty good for the price I paid ($79....ouch). It IS Sox/Yankees after all, and Fenway has sold out 495 consecutive games (and counting) going back to May 2003.

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb85/lubeltri/gs8.jpg)

I'm approximately where the pink dot is:

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb85/lubeltri/BOSTONFenway-Park-Boston-Massachuse.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on June 09, 2009, 11:34:54 AM
Yea, but if it was New York, you'd be pretty much guaranteed to see a home run or 7  ;D

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Bogoliubtsy on June 09, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
I've found that the best bet for Sox games is to buy a standing room ticket (25-30 bucks), stand in your assigned area for a couple of innings while scouting around for empty seats in the $150-400 section, then move on down. Green Monster standing room translated into Green Monster seats for one game, while 3rd base standing became seats behind home plate.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on June 09, 2009, 04:37:45 PM
Yea, but if it was New York, you'd be pretty much guaranteed to see a home run or 7  ;D

-Nick

When I was at the new Stadium in April, I saw more than that---a 22-4 score, the Yankees on the losing end.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on June 09, 2009, 10:14:55 PM
Well no welcoming party lubeltri, unless you believe in ghost whisperers...my memory ain't what it use to be

Enjoy your game...

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jimmy on June 09, 2009, 11:08:56 PM
Come on Pens.  Game 7.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. David on June 10, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Come on Pens.  Game 7.

Yessir!  Anybody but Detroit!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Schultz on June 10, 2009, 04:40:17 PM
While all of me wants the Penguins to get Lord Stanley's Cup, part of it wants them to win simply so Sidney & Co. can skate past that traitor Marian Hossa and show him that his one year contract with the Red Wings was all in vain.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on June 10, 2009, 04:49:27 PM
While all of me wants the Penguins to get Lord Stanley's Cup, part of it wants them to win simply so Sidney & Co. can skate past that traitor Marian Hossa and show him that his one year contract with the Red Wings was all in vain.



Agreed.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on June 10, 2009, 08:32:16 PM
^  What?  lol!  C'mon guys!  Hossa was a rent-a-player with the Pens.  He was only with them for a few weeks before the playoffs started.  It's not like he was with them for a couple of years or something.  You may think otherwise, but I have the impression that he is a good guy.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: LizaSymonenko on June 10, 2009, 09:37:28 PM

I for one, am cheering on my home team!

Go REDWINGS!!!!

 :D ;D :o :D ;D :o :o ;D :D :o ;D :D


Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on June 10, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
^  What?  lol!  C'mon guys!  Hossa was a rent-a-player with the Pens.  He was only with them for a few weeks before the playoffs started.  It's not like he was with them for a couple of years or something.  You may think otherwise, but I have the impression that he is a good guy.

He had no team loyalty.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jimmy on June 10, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
^  What?  lol!  C'mon guys!  Hossa was a rent-a-player with the Pens.  He was only with them for a few weeks before the playoffs started.  It's not like he was with them for a couple of years or something.  You may think otherwise, but I have the impression that he is a good guy.

He had no team loyalty.

Regardless of team loyalty, the irony of it would be pretty amazing if the pens win.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 13, 2009, 12:50:56 AM
The last 8 months have been good for the Keystone State.

First, the Phillies
Next, the Steelers
and now, the Penguins

For those from Detroit area, my sincere regrets and enjoy those octopi grilled with a little lemon.   :D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 13, 2009, 02:28:37 AM
The last 8 months have been good for the Keystone State.

First, the Phillies
Next, the Steelers
and now, the Penguins

For those from Detroit area, my sincere regrets and enjoy those octopi grilled with a little lemon.   :D
What do you have to regret?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 13, 2009, 02:39:15 AM
....
For those from Detroit area, my sincere regrets and enjoy those octopi grilled with a little lemon.   :D
What do you have to regret?

I'm not a big hockey fan.  I made a mere observation.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on June 13, 2009, 07:25:26 AM
The last 8 months have been good for the Keystone State.

First, the Phillies
Next, the Steelers
and now, the Penguins

For those from Detroit area, my sincere regrets and enjoy those octopi grilled with a little lemon.   :D

And the Hershey Bears won the AHL Calder Cup last night, too.

What a game!

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 13, 2009, 01:32:03 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 13, 2009, 02:35:52 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Αριστοκλής on June 13, 2009, 03:40:45 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

We do not need reminding of that. Maybe one year we'll have a MLB team again, but only after the fans quit buying Pirate stuff and quit attending the games. The team is still profitable for the owners who, hence, see no reason to spend to improve.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: LizaSymonenko on June 13, 2009, 05:15:40 PM

For those from Detroit area, my sincere regrets and enjoy those octopi grilled with a little lemon.   :D

Thanks! YUM!   :o
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 14, 2009, 02:17:20 AM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

Look at the bright side.  3 decades ago, the Pirates defeated the Orioles in the World Series.  Pirates could use a new theme song, "We Make Money" to the beat of We are Family.

The Phillies won a World Series before the Pirates and the Orioles
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on June 14, 2009, 08:38:26 AM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

Yeah, well, not even Pittsburgh can have everything.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jimmy on June 14, 2009, 06:20:36 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

I think its the sixteenth.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: serb1389 on June 14, 2009, 06:22:26 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

Yeah, well, not even Pittsburgh can have everything.



I just find that pitt fans are just SO darn arrogant about their teams.  it really gets to me.  not that I think chicago is any better...but man it just gets to me. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on June 14, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
Pennsylvania - the new sports capital of America.   :D
And yet the Pirates are mired in their twentieth--I think more than that--straight losing season.

I think its the sixteenth.
Yup.  The Pirates advanced to the NLCS every year for three straight years, 1990-1992, back when they had Barry Bonds and Bobby Bonilla, but they never made it to the World Series in that span.  In fact, IIRC, they led the Braves 3-2 in the 1991 NLCS but failed to score a single run in losing the final two games of the series.

Since they lost Bonds to free agency after the '92 season, though, the Pirates have never had another winning season.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on June 15, 2009, 01:11:21 AM
Kobe Bryant made his point thanks to Pau Gasol.  Bryant can now go play for Orlando and help SuperHoward & Magic improve on 1-8 record in Finals.  After that, Bryant can go play for Panathiakos along with Lebron James.   :angel:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 23, 2009, 06:20:39 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle perfect for the day--the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history and first since Randy Johnson threw one 5 years ago.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290723104
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 23, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Buerhle has 2 no-hitters under his belt.  Nolan Ryan has 6.   :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 23, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
Buerhle has 2 no-hitters under his belt.  Nolan Ryan has 6.   :)
Nah!  Ryan has 7 (6 in the AL), but he never threw a perfect game.

The record for no-hitters thrown by a pitcher to have thrown a perfect game is 4, by Sandy Koufax.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 23, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
I forgot the no-no Ryan had against Toronto.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 24, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle perfect for the day--the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history and first since Randy Johnson threw one 5 years ago.
Totally awesome! Good time to be a White Sox fan, eh? The perfect game is in my opinion a much higher honour than the home-run record. The home run may require perfect mechanics and great strength, but the perfect game is a team effort: The pitcher can strike out every batter and still not achieve a perfect game, if his defence commits an error.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 24, 2009, 01:36:48 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle perfect for the day--the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history and first since Randy Johnson threw one 5 years ago.
Totally awesome! Good time to be a White Sox fan, eh? The perfect game is in my opinion a much higher honour than the home-run record. The home run may require perfect mechanics and great strength, but the perfect game is a team effort: The pitcher can strike out every batter and still not achieve a perfect game, if his defence commits an error.
Yup.  Just ask Jonathan Sanchez, whose bid for a perfecto earlier this year disintegrated in the 8th inning when his third baseman booted a routine groundball.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on July 24, 2009, 03:48:50 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle perfect for the day--the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history and first since Randy Johnson threw one 5 years ago.
Totally awesome! Good time to be a White Sox fan, eh? The perfect game is in my opinion a much higher honour than the home-run record. The home run may require perfect mechanics and great strength, but the perfect game is a team effort: The pitcher can strike out every batter and still not achieve a perfect game, if his defence commits an error.

If the pitcher strikes out every batter, the only way he could lose a perfect game is if his catcher commits an error on a dropped 3rd strike......

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 24, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle perfect for the day--the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history and first since Randy Johnson threw one 5 years ago.
Totally awesome! Good time to be a White Sox fan, eh? The perfect game is in my opinion a much higher honour than the home-run record. The home run may require perfect mechanics and great strength, but the perfect game is a team effort: The pitcher can strike out every batter and still not achieve a perfect game, if his defence commits an error.

If the pitcher strikes out every batter, the only way he could lose a perfect game is if his catcher commits an error on a dropped 3rd strike......
Congratulations! I was hoping someone could pick it up. Admittedly, that's an extreme example, but I wanted to show the big difference between a no-hitter and a perfect game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 24, 2009, 10:36:30 PM
All I need to say is...

ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!      ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!      ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!      ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!      ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 24, 2009, 10:59:44 PM
^ Until Nick Saban decides to go somewhere else in the SEC....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 24, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
^ Until Nick Saban decides to go somewhere else in the SEC....

I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed and enjoy it while I can. But I think he's staying put. He won't go back to the NFL, and from Bama to any other NCAA school is a step down. But I'm not one of those to claim a National Championship just yet. The SEC is loaded. Florida is dominating right now, and LSU and Ole Miss are formidable foes in the Western Division. But it sure is fun to be a Bama fan once again!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 24, 2009, 11:10:09 PM
But it sure is fun to be a Bama fan once again!

I will agree with you on that point, going back to Bear Bryant.   ;D  My comments applied to how Nick Saban left teams in the lurch albeit LSU is in a better position without Saban.

Now if the Maryland Terps could play some real teams like Penn State or even the Tide, I would be happy....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 24, 2009, 11:34:30 PM
But it sure is fun to be a Bama fan once again!

I will agree with you on that point, going back to Bear Bryant.   ;D  My comments applied to how Nick Saban left teams in the lurch albeit LSU is in a better position without Saban.

Now if the Maryland Terps could play some real teams like Penn State or even the Tide, I would be happy....

Saban gets a bad rap on all that. If he had gone to USC, Michigan, Notre Dame or one of the media darling schools they would never have attacked him like they did. But because he went to Bama, they excoriated him. But as Bama fans we're used to this kind of thing. I mean, to let the media tell it you would think that Bear Bryant and George Wallace were best friends. But the reality was that Bryant couldn't stand Wallace. Bear Bryant left Kentucky because he hated Adolph Rupp's racism. But people watch Forest Gump and come away thinking Bryant was a member of the KKK ::).

The media has always had it out for the Tide. How else do you explain the fact that no Bama player has ever won the Heisman Trophy? But it only makes our 12 National Championships that much sweeter! ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 25, 2009, 12:43:35 AM
The media has always had it out for the Tide. How else do you explain the fact that no Bama player has ever won the Heisman Trophy? But it only makes our 12 National Championships that much sweeter! ;)

The times were different.  No one had Facebook or Myspace pages or ESPN profiles.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 25, 2009, 12:49:10 AM
As for other sports...

After Michael Jordan I lost all interest in the NBA.

I love international soccer (futbol), but find it hard to keep up with. When it comes to the World Cup I always root for the African teams first. After that, I like Mexico and the Latin American teams other than Brazil and Argentina. My favorite player is Emmanuel Adabayor, who plays striker for Arsenol. I think MLS is a joke.

My favorite golfer is Vijay Singh. We all know that Tiger is the best, but I get sick of his petulant behavior on the course. He's too good to act like such a brat. But Vijay is just plain smoooth, man. He's a class act too.

I hate pro football.

I used to love college basketball, but now with guys leaving after just one year I've gotten kind of turned off.

My favorite athlete of all time is Muhammad Ali. There'll never be another like the G.O.A.T. (Greatest of All Time)!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 26, 2009, 02:19:08 AM
Combining sports and Scripture:
(Although admittedly not in an Orthodox manner. ;))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiT-BAqu_Dg
 

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 26, 2009, 04:43:26 PM
We all know that Tiger is the best,
I dispute this. He fails to make the cut as often as he wins.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on July 26, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
We all know that Tiger is the best,
I dispute this. He fails to make the cut as often as he wins.

68 wins, 5 missed cuts....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 27, 2009, 12:25:17 PM
We all know that Tiger is the best,
I dispute this. He fails to make the cut as often as he wins.

68 wins, 5 missed cuts....
I knew that was an exaggeration, but I didn't realize by how much. Still, he's not always in the lead or even within striking distance of it. There are many others just as good as he is.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 27, 2009, 02:34:45 PM
We all know that Tiger is the best,
I dispute this. He fails to make the cut as often as he wins.
Tiger Woods?  He who holds the record for most consecutive PGA tour events WITHOUT missing a cut?  Yeah, he did miss the cut at the most recent British Open, but that's quite rare for him.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 27, 2009, 02:36:52 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: EofK on July 27, 2009, 04:17:33 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 27, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Yup.  And this is the NL Central we're talking about, the division no one wants to win.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 27, 2009, 05:41:51 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Yeah. Remember that the last time we won the World Series, we squeaked into the playoffs, earning the wild card spot on the very last game of the season.

On the other hand, we can reminisce about a World Series win that occurred after the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 27, 2009, 11:30:13 PM
We all know that Tiger is the best,
I dispute this. He fails to make the cut as often as he wins.

68 wins, 5 missed cuts....
I knew that was an exaggeration, but I didn't realize by how much. Still, he's not always in the lead or even within striking distance of it. There are many others just as good as he is.

Look, I'm not a Tiger Woods fan. Like I said earlier, I don't care for his unsportsmanlike demeanor on the golf course. But to say that there are many others just as good as Tiger is just silly. I have to respect his mental and physical ability. He will probably break Nicklaus's record for  all time Major wins before he's through. He's one of the most rare and special competitors that I've ever seen. I gotta give it to him.

But still, Vijay's my man. Smooth, classy, and underrated. Vijay has the prettiest golf swing I've ever seen.

But let's be objective and admit that Tiger stands alone.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 28, 2009, 12:26:32 AM
Tom Watson kept Nicklaus from having 22 or 23 Majors.  Perhaps Watson made Tiger's job easier in that regard.

I feel Tiger's career will be done at 35 because even a rebuilt knee can only withstand so much torque that Tiger generates with each swing.  Tiger doesn't have Watson's "smart man's" game.  While Tiger missed the cut at the Open Championship, Tom Watson, rebuilt hip and all, was 8 feet away from greater immortality....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 28, 2009, 12:45:01 AM
Tom Watson kept Nicklaus from having 22 or 23 Majors.  Perhaps Watson made Tiger's job easier in that regard.

I feel Tiger's career will be done at 35 because even a rebuilt knee can only withstand so much torque that Tiger generates with each swing.  Tiger doesn't have Watson's "smart man's" game.  While Tiger missed the cut at the Open Championship, Tom Watson, rebuilt hip and all, was 8 feet away from greater immortality....

I was rooting for Tom, as was most everyone. What an incredible Golf Tournament! But I felt good for Stewart Cink. He's come close so many times and I was happy to see him win a major.

I have to disagree with you about Tiger not having Watson's "smart man's" game. I think Tiger's intellect and poise under pressure is even more impressive than his physical attributes. But I do think he hurts himself with his unsportsmanlike antics on the course. And it's strange, because whenever he's interviewed - win or lose - he comes across with class and honor. But on the course he allows his temper to get the better of him. Time will tell if this one flaw keeps him from surpassing the Golden Bear.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 28, 2009, 02:04:09 AM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Yeah. Remember that the last time we won the World Series, we squeaked into the playoffs, earning the wild card spot on the very last game of the season.

On the other hand, we can reminisce about a World Series win that occurred after the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. ;D
Of course, some could say you guys won the World Series a few years ago only because the Tigers, particularly their pitchers' fielding, self-destructed.  Didn't the Tiger pitchers average more than an error per game in that series?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 28, 2009, 02:37:46 AM
Josh Willingham of the Washington Nationals hits two grand slams in a 14-6 rout of Milwaukee.  Only 18 pitchers have pitched perfect games, but only 13 players have hit two grand slams in one game, making the latter feat even more of a rarity.  (Prior to Fernando Tatis hitting two slams in one inning for the Cardinals 10 years ago, the only NL player to hit two grand slams in a game WAS a pitcher.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290727108&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 28, 2009, 02:42:42 AM
Josh Willingham of the Washington Nationals hits two grand slams in a 14-6 rout of Milwaukee.  Only 18 pitchers have pitched perfect games, but only 13 players have hit two grand slams in one game, making the latter feat even more of a rarity.  (Prior to Fernando Tatis hitting two slams in one inning for the Cardinals 10 years ago, the only NL player to hit two grand slams in a game WAS a pitcher.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290727108&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
Talk about Fernando Tatis and grand slams:  I see that he hit a game winning pinch hit grand slam tonight, as well.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290727121
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 28, 2009, 05:31:43 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Yeah. Remember that the last time we won the World Series, we squeaked into the playoffs, earning the wild card spot on the very last game of the season.

On the other hand, we can reminisce about a World Series win that occurred after the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. ;D
Of course, some could say you guys won the World Series a few years ago only because the Tigers, particularly their pitchers' fielding, self-destructed.  Didn't the Tiger pitchers average more than an error per game in that series?
Yes, and without in any way discrediting the remarkable achievements of the Red Sox, we lost the 2004 Series because we made eight errors in that four-game series. Funny thing is, though, that the '04 Cardinals were in many ways superior to the '06 team. I considered the '06 win making up for the disaster of '04. St. Louis is in my opinion, the most self-defeating team in the major leagues. It came as no surprise to me that we were #1 in blown saves last year.

But, lest you think our winning is just a fluke, let me remind you of all our World Series wins:
1926
1931
1934
1942
1944
1946
1964
1967
1982
2006

And of yours:
1907
1908
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 28, 2009, 06:15:17 PM
THIS JUST IN:  Cubs overtake the Cardinals for first place in the NL Central. ;D

Awwwww... well, it's not really a surprise, though.  They're the most self-defeating team I've ever seen.
Yeah. Remember that the last time we won the World Series, we squeaked into the playoffs, earning the wild card spot on the very last game of the season.

On the other hand, we can reminisce about a World Series win that occurred after the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. ;D
Of course, some could say you guys won the World Series a few years ago only because the Tigers, particularly their pitchers' fielding, self-destructed.  Didn't the Tiger pitchers average more than an error per game in that series?
Yes, and without in any way discrediting the remarkable achievements of the Red Sox, we lost the 2004 Series because we made eight errors in that four-game series. Funny thing is, though, that the '04 Cardinals were in many ways superior to the '06 team. I considered the '06 win making up for the disaster of '04. St. Louis is in my opinion, the most self-defeating team in the major leagues. It came as no surprise to me that we were #1 in blown saves last year.

But, lest you think our winning is just a fluke, let me remind you of all our World Series wins:
1926
1931
1934
1942
1944
1946
1964
1967
1982
2006

And of yours:
1907
1908
So what?  I've only been alive since 1971.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on July 28, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
Why are we discussing baseball in a thread about SPORTS?!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 28, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
Why are we discussing baseball in a thread about SPORTS?!

I'm kind of with you. I do think baseball is a sport, but I just can't get into it. And especially with the rampant steroid scandals, I just don't waste my time anymore. So let's get back to college football, international soccer, and other exciting things!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 28, 2009, 08:43:24 PM
Here's a question:

Who do you think are the three greatest athletes of all time, and why?

Here are my 3:

Pele

Muhammad Ali

Michael Jordan


And here are some of the criteria I use in my consideration:

-Raw atheletic ability
-Heart, effort, and determination
-The impact they had on their sport
-The impact they had on their society
-Championships and wins
-Statistics
-The quality of the competition they faced
-Character



I look forward to reading other opinions!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on July 28, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
Here's a question:

Who do you think are the three greatest athletes of all time, and why?
Spartacus. For all three.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on July 29, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
I was rooting for Tom, as was most everyone. What an incredible Golf Tournament! But I felt good for Stewart Cink. He's come close so many times and I was happy to see him win a major.

Cink deserved to win a major.  A little change of pace. 

I have to disagree with you about Tiger not having Watson's "smart man's" game. I think Tiger's intellect and poise under pressure is even more impressive than his physical attributes. But I do think he hurts himself with his unsportsmanlike antics on the course. And it's strange, because whenever he's interviewed - win or lose - he comes across with class and honor. But on the course he allows his temper to get the better of him. Time will tell if this one flaw keeps him from surpassing the Golden Bear.

I've never seen Tiger act unsportsmanlike on the course.  Any examples?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 29, 2009, 02:47:44 AM

I have to disagree with you about Tiger not having Watson's "smart man's" game. I think Tiger's intellect and poise under pressure is even more impressive than his physical attributes. But I do think he hurts himself with his unsportsmanlike antics on the course. And it's strange, because whenever he's interviewed - win or lose - he comes across with class and honor. But on the course he allows his temper to get the better of him. Time will tell if this one flaw keeps him from surpassing the Golden Bear.

I've never seen Tiger act unsportsmanlike on the course.  Any examples?

Well he hits the ground a lot with his clubs after he hits a poor shot. He also uses a lot of profanity. During the British Open some of the commentators even mentioned it a few times. They usually don't bring it up because of his popularity, but after he missed the cut they showed some highlights of his unportsmanlike behavior. A famous golfer who is retired even remarked about it publicly (I forget who now). He said that he is disappointed to see someone with so much talent act like that.

But look, Golf is a cruel sport so I can understand the frustration. If I played golf I'm sure I'd act a lot worse than Tiger. And he's not nearly as bad as Sergio Garcia is.

Tiger's caddy also irritates me. He's really obnoxious.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on July 29, 2009, 03:45:10 AM
Here's a question:

Who do you think are the three greatest athletes of all time, and why?

Here are my 3:

Pele

Muhammad Ali

Michael Jordan


And here are some of the criteria I use in my consideration:

-Raw atheletic ability
-Heart, effort, and determination
-The impact they had on their sport
-The impact they had on their society
-Championships and wins
-Statistics
-The quality of the competition they faced
-Character



I look forward to reading other opinions!

Selam
Roman Šebrle, the world record holder in the decathlon, the ultimate track and field event for determining all-around athleticism:

Speed:  100 meters, 110 meter hurdles, 400 meters
Explosive strength:  shot put, discus, javelin
Jumping ability:  long jump, high jump
Agility:  110 meter hurdles, pole vault
Endurance:  1500 meters
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on July 29, 2009, 04:46:08 AM
Here's a question:

Who do you think are the three greatest athletes of all time, and why?

Here are my 3:

Pele

Muhammad Ali

Michael Jordan


And here are some of the criteria I use in my consideration:

-Raw atheletic ability
-Heart, effort, and determination
-The impact they had on their sport
-The impact they had on their society
-Championships and wins
-Statistics
-The quality of the competition they faced
-Character



I look forward to reading other opinions!

Selam
Roman Šebrle, the world record holder in the decathlon, the ultimate track and field event for determining all-around athleticism:

Speed:  100 meters, 110 meter hurdles, 400 meters
Explosive strength:  shot put, discus, javelin
Jumping ability:  long jump, high jump
Agility:  110 meter hurdles, pole vault
Endurance:  1500 meters


Cool. Never heard of him. Where is he from and when did he compete?

After my the first three I already mentioned, I think I would put Jim Thorpe at number 4. He could do anything!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on July 29, 2009, 08:20:38 AM
Cool. Never heard of him. Where is he from and when did he compete?

He is from the Czech Republic, and he has competed since about the mid-90s until the present day.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on August 14, 2009, 03:31:01 AM
Please study and learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_football

There will be a test later...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Αριστοκλής on August 14, 2009, 06:53:38 AM
Actually I rather enjoy Canadian football.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 17, 2009, 02:02:55 AM
Tiger Woods just blew a lead on the final day to lose a major tournament!  First time in his PGA career he's ever done that.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 17, 2009, 04:58:56 AM
Tiger Woods just blew a lead on the final day to lose a major tournament!  First time in his PGA career he's ever done that.

Yeah, give a lot of credit to Y.E. Yang from South Korea. Not many people can go toe to toe with Tiger on the final day and come out on top.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 17, 2009, 05:13:55 AM
But the highlight of the weekend was...

USAIN BOLT!
Usain Bolt, the Jamaican sprinter who won three Gold medals in the Beijing Olympics, shattered the world record Sunday in the 100 meter dash and posted a 9.58! He may very well be the most dominant athlete that I have ever seen. Incredible. And looking at his body, I think he's all natural. I don't think he's on the needle.

Selam 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on August 17, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Tiger Woods just blew a lead on the final day to lose a major tournament!  First time in his PGA career he's ever done that.

He played too conservative...this was bound to happen at some point, though nobody expected it to be Yang to defeat him.

I'm old school, I like Arnie, Jack and Lee...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 23, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
Looks like this year's Major League Baseball season is turning into a season of rarities.  First we have Mark Buehrle pitching the 18th perfect game in Major League history.  Then we have Josh Willingham hitting two grand slams in one game for only the 13th time this had ever been done.  Now this: the 15th ever unassisted triple play.  Watch Phillies second baseman Eric Bruntlett pull the snag, bag, and tag special to finish his team's win over the Mets today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290823121&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Turns out this was only the second such triple play to actually end a game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on August 23, 2009, 07:45:09 PM
Three more weeks until the official start of Football season! Woot! Woot! ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 23, 2009, 08:14:42 PM
Three more weeks until the official start of Football season! Woot! Woot! ;D

BAMA opens against Virginia Tech at the Georgia Dome on September 5th! Should be a great game. RTR!!!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on August 23, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Three more weeks until the official start of Football season! Woot! Woot! ;D

BAMA opens against Virginia Tech at the Georgia Dome on September 5th! Should be a great game. RTR!!!

Selam

Pshaw! Keep your College Football. Too many teams, too many conferences, and the Bowl system is a joke. I like the NFL!

Not to mention, I usually spend all day Saturday running around, getting my errands/housekeeping done so I can spend all my time after Church on Sunday watching Football! :D

After all, that's what Sunday's were made for: God, family, and football. In that order! lol

J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:1fj3wRwtWs1l2M:http://media.wktv.com/images/ny-jets-logo-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 23, 2009, 08:42:05 PM
Three more weeks until the official start of Football season! Woot! Woot! ;D

BAMA opens against Virginia Tech at the Georgia Dome on September 5th! Should be a great game. RTR!!!

Selam

Pshaw! Keep your College Football. Too many teams, too many conferences, and the Bowl system is a joke. I like the NFL!

Not to mention, I usually spend all day Saturday running around, getting my errands/housekeeping done so I can spend all my time after Church on Sunday watching Football! :D

After all, that's what Sunday's were made for: God, family, and football. In that order! lol

J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:1fj3wRwtWs1l2M:http://media.wktv.com/images/ny-jets-logo-2.jpg)

I'm just the opposite. I only deal with college football. Pulling for an NFL team is just pulling for a business. NFL players hop from team to team from year to year. They're all playing for themselves. Every team runs the same cookie cutter offense. Too many games that don't mean anything. No true rivalries. Prosaic atmosphere.

But college players are still hungry. They play passionately for their team, their school, and their state. Every game counts. You have intense rivalries. Each college - whether big or small - has it's own unique traditions and culture. And nothing beats the atmosphere of a college campus on a Saturday afternoon game day.

But hey, that's just me. To each his own.;)

Selam   
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 23, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Rex Ryan and gang are waiting for that Week 1 game against the Vikings where the revamped Jet defense will send Favre back to permanent retirement....    ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on August 23, 2009, 10:02:02 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Rex Ryan and gang are waiting for that Week 1 game against the Vikings where the revamped Jet defense will send Favre back to permanent retirement....    ;D

And God's people said... "Amen!" lol  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 23, 2009, 10:06:28 PM
And God's people said... "Amen!" lol  :laugh:

I always thought Brett Favre was a decent guy until the Super Bowl Win more than a decade ago just went to his head.

At least Elway had grace and class to retire at the top.  A lot of people are forgetting the good things from Brett Favre's career and this desperation from Favre will steamroll teams and kill the confidence of starting quarterbacks (Tavares Jackson comes to mind and there are many others).

As an aside, I like to see the Ravens finish 3-13 this year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 23, 2009, 10:13:44 PM
And God's people said... "Amen!" lol  :laugh:

I always thought Brett Favre was a decent guy until the Super Bowl Win more than a decade ago just went to his head.

At least Elway had grace and class to retire at the top.  A lot of people are forgetting the good things from Brett Favre's career and this desperation from Favre will steamroll teams and kill the confidence of starting quarterbacks (Tavares Jackson comes to mind and there are many others).

As an aside, I like to see the Ravens finish 3-13 this year.
Personally, the Lions HAVE TO win at least one game this year.  They can't possibly go 0-32 over a 2-year span, can they?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 24, 2009, 07:31:19 PM
Personally, the Lions HAVE TO win at least one game this year.  They can't possibly go 0-32 over a 2-year span, can they?

No 0-32 slumps.

Anyway, Too bad I can't go to a Casino in Delaware (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_sp_ot/us_sports_betting_7) and bet $10 on the Lions winning Super Bowl XLIV.   :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on August 24, 2009, 09:13:36 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS! 

I always admired the NY/NJ crowd for their creativity:

J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS!
M-E-T-S, METS, METS, METS!
N-E-T-S, NETS, NETS, NETS!

...

(And, of course "Boston &*%*@#," or some version thereof.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 24, 2009, 09:34:01 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 25, 2009, 01:37:12 AM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 25, 2009, 02:35:51 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D

Is that Oregon?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 25, 2009, 03:56:32 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D

Is that Oregon?

Selam
Darn quackin', it is!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 25, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D

Is that Oregon?

Selam
Darn quackin', it is!

You guys have cool uniforms!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 25, 2009, 04:09:57 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D

Is that Oregon?

Selam
Darn quackin', it is!

You guys have cool uniforms!

Selam
Personally, I often find the Ducks' uniforms too flashy.  I prefer the orange and black of the rival Oregon State Beavers.  More menacing, IMO.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 25, 2009, 04:12:56 PM
Hockey: Detroit Redwings  (duh. And we got a nice Greek boy on the team too! :) )

Football (american) UofM Wolverines (pro sucks, bunc of egotistical maniacs)

Soccer: dont really follow

Baseball: dont care but the cardinals for my Grandpa and the Cubbies cuz I'm from there. Tigers...eeeh, whatever.

basketball: what? did someone say something, I was sleeping.  Except at college, where BBall was king (IWU Spartans!)


Even though you're a Wolverine and I'm a Crimson Tider, it's nice to see someone else who recognizes that college football is where it's at! Terrell Owens? Michael Vick? Brett Favre? Plaxico Burress? Dontae Stallworth? They really expect me to fork out 100$ or more to go watch these Jackasses?! ::)

Selam
GO DUCKS!!! ;D

Is that Oregon?

Selam
Darn quackin', it is!

You guys have cool uniforms!

Selam
Personally, I often find the Ducks' uniforms too flashy.  I prefer the orange and black of the rival Oregon State Beavers.  More menacing, IMO.

Well, you know what I'm gonna say. Nothing beats those simple, classy CRIMSON TIDE uniforms! ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 25, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Well, you know what I'm gonna say. Nothing beats those simple, classy CRIMSON TIDE uniforms! ;)

GO TERPS!

ROLL TIDE
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on August 25, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 25, 2009, 07:21:37 PM
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That's one sure way to p*** off the coach.  At least, according to the rules, he maintained possession of the football and allowed his team the chance to score on the next play.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 26, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
That's one sure way to p*** off the coach.  At least, according to the rules, he maintained possession of the football and allowed his team the chance to score on the next play.

Are you sure?  The ball never broke the plane and the offense would have to be lucky to regain possession on the 1.

If the ball had broken the plane, then things are moot.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 26, 2009, 12:53:45 AM
That's one sure way to p*** off the coach.  At least, according to the rules, he maintained possession of the football and allowed his team the chance to score on the next play.

Are you sure?  The ball never broke the plane and the offense would have to be lucky to regain possession on the 1.

If the ball had broken the plane, then things are moot.

Well according to the rules, "the ground cannot cause a fumble." So, if I'm the official I rule that the offense maintains possession at the spot where the ball touched the ground. If I'm the coach, that kid runs wind sprints until he pukes!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 26, 2009, 01:34:14 AM
That's one sure way to p*** off the coach.  At least, according to the rules, he maintained possession of the football and allowed his team the chance to score on the next play.

Are you sure?  The ball never broke the plane and the offense would have to be lucky to regain possession on the 1.

If the ball had broken the plane, then things are moot.

Well according to the rules, "the ground cannot cause a fumble." So, if I'm the official I rule that the offense maintains possession at the spot where the ball touched the ground. If I'm the coach, that kid runs wind sprints until he pukes!

Selam
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 26, 2009, 02:01:59 AM
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.

At least in college, if you fall down with possession, you are automatically down and no one has to touch you.
This was a high school all-star game where the college rule applies; hence, the runner was down once he established contact with the ground.

In the NFL, you can get up after a fall provided that no one contacts you while you're down.

Do we have two potential NFL referees in the making?   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 26, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.

At least in college, if you fall down with possession, you are automatically down and no one has to touch you.
This was a high school all-star game where the college rule applies; hence, the runner was down once he established contact with the ground.

In the NFL, you can get up after a fall provided that no one contacts you while you're down.

Do we have two potential NFL referees in the making?   ;)
Well, I guess if this really was a high school all star game, where winning is not so important as making sure everyone has a good time, I guess we can tolerate a little foolish hot-dogging. ;)


I've heard of an all star football game in my state where one team was so far ahead of the other in the second half that the teams agreed to let the winning team kick the ball off after the losing team scored a touchdown just to give the losing team another chance to score.  Another all star game where one kicker had a reputation for kicking the ball into the endzone for touchbacks so consistently that he was required to kick the ball off from the 35 instead of the 40 just to give the other team a chance to return his kickoffs.  (I actually saw the kid once kick a 60-yard FG in pregame warmups. :o)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on August 26, 2009, 02:09:11 AM
Well, I guess if this really was a high school all star game, where winning is not so important as making sure everyone has a good time, I guess we can tolerate a little foolish hot dogging. ;)

Based on the uniform on the back of the jersey, this was the game on the video from 2005:

US Army All American Bowl (http://www.usarmyallamericanbowl.com/)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 26, 2009, 02:24:59 AM
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.

At least in college, if you fall down with possession, you are automatically down and no one has to touch you.
This was a high school all-star game where the college rule applies; hence, the runner was down once he established contact with the ground.

In the NFL, you can get up after a fall provided that no one contacts you while you're down.

Do we have two potential NFL referees in the making?   ;)
Well, I guess if this really was a high school all star game, where winning is not so important as making sure everyone has a good time, I guess we can tolerate a little foolish hot-dogging. ;)


I've heard of an all star football game in my state where one team was so far ahead of the other in the second half that the teams agreed to let the winning team kick the ball off after the losing team scored a touchdown just to give the losing team another chance to score.

I still say wind sprints are in order. But, of course, I'm from the Bear Bryant mold. ;)

Back in the early 80's we had an extrememly talented running back named Lenny Patrick. He was a bit of a hot dog, and in high school he always wore a bandana under his helmet (this was years before it became common place.) On the first day of practice, Coach Bryant noticed Lenny's bandana sticking out from his helmet. He was so angry that he came down from his famous coaching tower- something he rarely did. He called Lenny over to him and asked, "What is that rag hanging out of your helmet?" Lenny said, "It's my bandana coach. Lenny always wears a bandana." Coack Bryant looked at him and said, "Tell Lenny he can either wear his helmet or his bandana, it's up to him."

Selam

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on August 26, 2009, 02:59:48 AM
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.

At least in college, if you fall down with possession, you are automatically down and no one has to touch you.
This was a high school all-star game where the college rule applies; hence, the runner was down once he established contact with the ground.

In the NFL, you can get up after a fall provided that no one contacts you while you're down.

Do we have two potential NFL referees in the making?   ;)
Well, I guess if this really was a high school all star game, where winning is not so important as making sure everyone has a good time, I guess we can tolerate a little foolish hot-dogging. ;)


I've heard of an all star football game in my state where one team was so far ahead of the other in the second half that the teams agreed to let the winning team kick the ball off after the losing team scored a touchdown just to give the losing team another chance to score.

I still say wind sprints are in order. But, of course, I'm from the Bear Bryant mold. ;)

Back in the early 80's we had an extrememly talented running back named Lenny Patrick. He was a bit of a hot dog, and in high school he always wore a bandana under his helmet (this was years before it became common place.) On the first day of practice, Coach Bryant noticed Lenny's bandana sticking out from his helmet. He was so angry that he came down from his famous coaching tower- something he rarely did. He called Lenny over to him and asked, "What is that rag hanging out of your helmet?" Lenny said, "It's my bandana coach. Lenny always wears a bandana." Coack Bryant looked at him and said, "Tell Lenny he can either wear his helmet or his bandana, it's up to him."

Selam

Selam
Reminds me of a similar story about Oregon's winningest high school football coach, Dewey Sullivan, who died just a few years ago.  Back in the 70's he had a stud QB on his team who let his good press get to his head.  When Sullivan gave this QB an order in practice, the QB sent back a smart-alecky reply.  Wasn't very long before the QB found himself lying flat on his back in a mud puddle.  If only today's football coaches could get away with that kind of "inspiration".
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on August 26, 2009, 03:12:39 AM
Yes, I believe Gebre's understanding of the rules is correct in this specific case.  If the ball touches the ground while still in the possession of the ball carrier, the play is ruled dead and no fumble is possible.

At least in college, if you fall down with possession, you are automatically down and no one has to touch you.
This was a high school all-star game where the college rule applies; hence, the runner was down once he established contact with the ground.

In the NFL, you can get up after a fall provided that no one contacts you while you're down.

Do we have two potential NFL referees in the making?   ;)
Well, I guess if this really was a high school all star game, where winning is not so important as making sure everyone has a good time, I guess we can tolerate a little foolish hot-dogging. ;)


I've heard of an all star football game in my state where one team was so far ahead of the other in the second half that the teams agreed to let the winning team kick the ball off after the losing team scored a touchdown just to give the losing team another chance to score.

I still say wind sprints are in order. But, of course, I'm from the Bear Bryant mold. ;)

Back in the early 80's we had an extrememly talented running back named Lenny Patrick. He was a bit of a hot dog, and in high school he always wore a bandana under his helmet (this was years before it became common place.) On the first day of practice, Coach Bryant noticed Lenny's bandana sticking out from his helmet. He was so angry that he came down from his famous coaching tower- something he rarely did. He called Lenny over to him and asked, "What is that rag hanging out of your helmet?" Lenny said, "It's my bandana coach. Lenny always wears a bandana." Coack Bryant looked at him and said, "Tell Lenny he can either wear his helmet or his bandana, it's up to him."

Selam

Selam
Reminds me of a similar story about Oregon's winningest high school football coach, Dewey Sullivan, who died just a few years ago.  Back in the 70's he had a stud QB on his team who let his good press get to his head.  When Sullivan gave this QB an order in practice, the QB sent back a smart-alecky reply.  Wasn't very long before the QB found himself lying flat on his back in a mud puddle.  If only today's football coaches could get away with that kind of "inspiration".

I'm with you. Old School, baby!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 26, 2009, 03:52:16 AM
Has anyone noticed that, including tonight's win over the Dodgers, the woeful Pirates have only won 4 of their last 27 games?  5 losses away from yet another 100-loss season for a team that hasn't had a winning season since Barry Bonds left in 1992. ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on September 27, 2009, 12:02:13 AM
Has anyone noticed that, including tonight's win over the Dodgers, the woeful Pirates have only won 4 of their last 27 games?  5 losses away from yet another 100-loss season for a team that hasn't had a winning season since Barry Bonds left in 1992. ::)

Wow.....makes my Blue Jays look absolutely stellar.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on September 27, 2009, 01:00:23 AM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 27, 2009, 01:22:25 AM
The Baltimore Orioles are working on 12 straight losing seasons and may join the Nationals and Pirates (?) for losing 100 games.

The Nationals lost 100 games in back to back seasons, becoming the fourth team to do so in the last 25 years after the Rays, Royals and Tigers.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 27, 2009, 01:47:43 AM
ROLL TIDE ROLL!   ROLL TIDE ROLL!   ROLL TIDE ROLL!   ROLL TIDE ROLL!
4 and 0 on the season thus far! #3 in the nation!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 27, 2009, 01:41:52 PM
Sure, Mississippi was #5 before collapsing under South Carolina.

Maybe no one, besides the Tide, is good in the SEC this year.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on September 27, 2009, 01:48:12 PM
Has anyone noticed that, including tonight's win over the Dodgers, the woeful Pirates have only won 4 of their last 27 games?  5 losses away from yet another 100-loss season for a team that hasn't had a winning season since Barry Bonds left in 1992. ::)

Oh well. Pittsburgh has two champion teams. The Pirates are for humility. And they have Orthodox choirs sing the National Anthem before games (lemme find that clip, wait ...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeS4lWzOmb0

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
Has anyone noticed that, including tonight's win over the Dodgers, the woeful Pirates have only won 4 of their last 27 games?  5 losses away from yet another 100-loss season for a team that hasn't had a winning season since Barry Bonds left in 1992. ::)

Oh well. Pittsburgh has two champion teams. The Pirates are for humility. And they have Orthodox choirs sing the National Anthem before games (lemme find that clip, wait ...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeS4lWzOmb0


Yeah, and the Chicago Cubs reportedly had a Greek Orthodox priest bless their dugout/clubhouse.  Much good that did. ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 27, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
Joe Flacco = Redemption for John Elway spurning the Baltimore Colts for the Denver Broncos in 1983.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 04:49:40 PM
Joe Flacco = Redemption for John Elway spurning the Baltimore Colts for the Denver Broncos in 1983.
Except that the Colts now play in Indianapolis and the team now in Baltimore used to be the Cleveland Browns.  A lot has changed in the NFL over the years, my friend. ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 27, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Joe Flacco = Redemption for John Elway spurning the Baltimore Colts for the Denver Broncos in 1983.
Except that the Colts now play in Indianapolis and the team now in Baltimore used to be the Cleveland Browns.  A lot has changed in the NFL over the years, my friend. ;)

Gee, I didn't know that.   ::)
Cleveland and Baltimore are physically where they were located in 1983.   ;)
The reference was to cities and not franchises (Colts were used only as a reference to those who may not have been born in 1983).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 04:58:16 PM
GO DUCKS!!!

Second straight win over a Top 25 team.  A week ago it was No. 18 Utah.  Then the Oregon Quack Attack demolished No. 6 California 42-3 in their conference opener yesterday.  The Golden Bears scored first with a FG early in the first quarter (after the Ducks fumbled the ball away on the opening kickoff) but never scored again.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
THIS JUST IN:  The Detroit Lions finally win a game, beating the Redskins 19-14.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927008
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 27, 2009, 05:19:29 PM
THIS JUST IN:  The Detroit Lions finally win a game, beating the Redskins 19-14.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927008

Rejoice!!  I saw this coming from weeks ago.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 27, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
THIS JUST IN:  The Detroit Lions finally win a game, beating the Redskins 19-14.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927008
Hasn't the season just started? It can't really be "finally" if they've only played, what, three or four games?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
THIS JUST IN:  The Detroit Lions finally win a game, beating the Redskins 19-14.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927008
Hasn't the season just started? It can't really be "finally" if they've only played, what, three or four games?
Remember, though, that the Lions didn't win a single game last year and had a 19-game losing streak going into today's game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ms.hoorah on September 27, 2009, 08:39:03 PM
Has anyone noticed that, including tonight's win over the Dodgers, the woeful Pirates have only won 4 of their last 27 games?  5 losses away from yet another 100-loss season for a team that hasn't had a winning season since Barry Bonds left in 1992. ::)
Uh yea. Don't mention to anyone that rookie Andrew McCutchen has talent. If da Pa-ritz' General Manager learns how good he rilly is, da Pa-ritz will trade him.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on September 27, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.  Actually, I've often wondered what it would be like to go to a ball game at Wrigley Field.  It looks like a really cool old-style park to me.  Anyone ever experience it?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 09:57:15 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.
Eh, it's baseball.  You win some, and you lose some.  Since only six of 28 teams can win their divisions and only two division non-champions can win their league wild cards, most everyone is going to experience the pain of falling short of the goal much more often than the joy of actually reaching it.  Of course, if you're a Yankee fan rooting for a team that can buy all the championship caliber players you can dream of... :-\

In my case, I'm a Cubs fan, so I'm used to the pain of defeat.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 27, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
THIS JUST IN:  The Detroit Lions finally win a game, beating the Redskins 19-14.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290927008
Hasn't the season just started? It can't really be "finally" if they've only played, what, three or four games?
Remember, though, that the Lions didn't win a single game last year and had a 19-game losing streak going into today's game.
Ah, I see. I don't pay enough attention to either Detroit or American football to have known that. Quite an accomplishment for them, then. Next task: runner up in the Super Bowl a lay Tampa Bay Rays.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 27, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.  Actually, I've often wondered what it would be like to go to a ball game at Wrigley Field.  It looks like a really cool old-style park to me.  Anyone ever experience it?
I've never been there for a ball game, but I have seen it. It is really cool, but I think I like Fenway better, as far as old parks go. I've thought about going there for a game against St. Louis; the Cardinals sell vacation packages every year, complete with transportation and hotels next to the field. Cubs/Cards games are so much fun, and I always see many proud wearers of blue at Busch when they come here.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 11:04:23 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.  Actually, I've often wondered what it would be like to go to a ball game at Wrigley Field.  It looks like a really cool old-style park to me.  Anyone ever experience it?
I've never been there for a ball game, but I have seen it. It is really coo, but I think I like Fenway better, as far as old parks go. I've thought about going there for a game against St. Louis; the Cardinals sell vacation packages every year, complete with transportation and hotels next to the field. Cubs/Cards games are so much fun, and I always see many proud wearers of blue at Busch when they come here.
I've not forgotten the old Cubs/Cardinals rivalry I experienced when I lived in Illinois.  I actually felt sorry for my friends who were Cardinal fans after the tarp roller and Don Denkinger incidents in the 1985 World Series, even though I had moved out to Oregon just a couple of months previous.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on September 27, 2009, 11:18:39 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.  Actually, I've often wondered what it would be like to go to a ball game at Wrigley Field.  It looks like a really cool old-style park to me.  Anyone ever experience it?
I've never been there for a ball game, but I have seen it. It is really coo, but I think I like Fenway better, as far as old parks go. I've thought about going there for a game against St. Louis; the Cardinals sell vacation packages every year, complete with transportation and hotels next to the field. Cubs/Cards games are so much fun, and I always see many proud wearers of blue at Busch when they come here.
I've not forgotten the old Cubs/Cardinals rivalry I experienced when I lived in Illinois.  I actually felt sorry for my friends who were Cardinal fans after the tarp roller and Don Denkinger incidents in the 1985 World Series, even though I had moved out to Oregon just a couple of months previous.
Yeah, those hurt. Thing is, though, that we had a chance to win in Game 7, and we were legitimately the better team, but we just couldn't seem to put the past behind us.

The Royals were good, no doubt, but they've since been plagued by bad business decisions. The Wal-Mart model, slashing overhead (in this case, player salaries) in order to turn a profit from cheaper selling prices, just does not work in professional baseball. One makes money by selling tickets, and no one wants to see a AA team in a major league uniform. The Royals need a player who can sell tickets. They need a McGwire, Carpenter, or Pujols. Zach Grienke may be their ticket seller, but they've got to be willing to pay him, something they haven't shown they're willing to do since Kauffman owned the team. I know he has a big contract; I just hope they stick with it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 27, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
Well, how about that, Mr. and Mrs. Y.   ;)  :laugh:

DENVER -- It took a total team effort, but the Cardinals secured their fourth National League Central championship in six years with a 6-3 win over the Rockies at Coors Field on Saturday night.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090926&content_id=7174402&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I realise that this may stick in the craw of Peter The Aleut a bit.  Sorry about that, I was not intending to rub it in.  Actually, I've often wondered what it would be like to go to a ball game at Wrigley Field.  It looks like a really cool old-style park to me.  Anyone ever experience it?
I've never been there for a ball game, but I have seen it. It is really coo, but I think I like Fenway better, as far as old parks go. I've thought about going there for a game against St. Louis; the Cardinals sell vacation packages every year, complete with transportation and hotels next to the field. Cubs/Cards games are so much fun, and I always see many proud wearers of blue at Busch when they come here.
I've not forgotten the old Cubs/Cardinals rivalry I experienced when I lived in Illinois.  I actually felt sorry for my friends who were Cardinal fans after the tarp roller and Don Denkinger incidents in the 1985 World Series, even though I had moved out to Oregon just a couple of months previous.
Yeah, those hurt. Thing is, though, that we had a chance to win in Game 7, and we were legitimately the better team, but we just couldn't seem to put the past behind us.
Yup.  I watched that game.  Your ace pitcher, John Tudor, could not have picked a worse night to have his worst game of an otherwise phenomenal year and even more phenomenal second half.  IIRC, he got so enraged at his poor performance that he sliced open his pitching hand by punching a cooling fan after he was taken out of the game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on September 27, 2009, 11:56:48 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

3-0 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS, 4TH TIME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!

WOOHOO!!!!  
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on September 28, 2009, 01:01:20 AM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Jets? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUlX4H98jb8)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on September 28, 2009, 12:37:12 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Jets? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUlX4H98jb8)

No, THE NY Jets, as in the NY Jets that spanked TOM BRADY last week, and beat the Titans this week!  ;D  ;D

(http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/gallery_images/album_images/JetsPatslw22.jpg?1253489751)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 28, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
Here are records of some current, recently hired NFL coaches:

Rex Ryan : 3-0
Eric Mangini: 0-3 (was intern for old Cleveland Browns before their move to Baltimore)
Josh McDaniels: 3-0
Jim Harbaugh: 3-0 (16-6 career, including postseason)
Jim Schwartz: 1-2 (1-2 career)
Jim Zorn: 1-2 (9-10 career)
Mike Singletary: 2-1 (7-5 career)
Raheem Morris: 0-3 (youngest NFL coach)
Mike Tomlin: 1-2
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 28, 2009, 04:16:59 PM
Joe Flacco = Redemption for John Elway spurning the Baltimore Colts for the Denver Broncos in 1983.

Joe Flacco = Getting lucky.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 28, 2009, 04:23:33 PM
Joe Flacco = Redemption for John Elway spurning the Baltimore Colts for the Denver Broncos in 1983.

Joe Flacco = Getting lucky.

Sure....   ::)
Randy Lerner sells the Browns to some billionaire native Clevelander who will rebuild the Browns and put the fear back in the Dog Pound (the same Pound that Elway completely ignored in "the Drive).  He can always move the Browns to Los Angeles and the NFL can place a third iteration of the Browns in Cleveland for more futility.   :o

Art Modell was an innovator despite what the rest of NE Ohio thinks about him. He innovated by getting out of football at the right time.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 28, 2009, 04:25:38 PM
Eric Mangini: 0-3 (was intern for old Cleveland Browns before their move to Baltimore)

That fact seemingly means nothing in the modern NFL.  

Paul Brown: Genius coach, visionary for the NFL (and the importance of the forward pass - see Otto Graham), grandfather of the West-Coast offense (as Bill Walsh's mentor and Head coach in Cincy).  Successful in Cleveland.  Team named after him.

Marty Shottenheimer: mildly successful with, and after, Browns.

Bill Belachoke: Great D coach under Parcells.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" with Pats (guess the cheating helped a ton).
Bruce Ariens: Great O coach.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" O coach after.
Romeo Crennel: Great D coach.  Awful with Browns.

What's terrifying: each of the last three made awful coaching decisions, especially in the area of non-expertise, which severely hampered the Browns.  Can't blame it all on personnel.  
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 28, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
Art Modell was an innovator despite what the rest of NE Ohio thinks about him. He innovated by getting out of football at the right time.   ;)

His innovations came well before the departure (MNF, for one).  However, leaving Cleveland was a mistake; they should have expanded into Baltimore - instead, Baltimore inflicted on another city the pain they themselves "went through" (supposedly).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 28, 2009, 04:38:12 PM
Art Modell was an innovator despite what the rest of NE Ohio thinks about him. He innovated by getting out of football at the right time.   ;)

His innovations came well before the departure (MNF, for one).  However, leaving Cleveland was a mistake; they should have expanded into Baltimore - instead, Baltimore inflicted on another city the pain they themselves "went through" (supposedly).

The NFL wanted the growing South (e.g. Carolina, Jacksonville) and saw Baltimore as "past its prime."  People in LA love hosting Super Bowls ... without having teams to play for one.

Remember that the NFL is a fraternity of 32 very rich (and in some instances, very old) men.  Art Modell saw how Bob Irsay destroyed a team who had legendary following from the 1958 NFL Championship game and moved it to greener pastures.  Former Giants owner Wellington Mara (with Lombardi trophy in his case) was good friends with Modell.  Five years after moving the team from Cleveland, guess who raised the Lombardi trophy?

If Randy Lerner's GM (former Raven front office man George Kokinis) can't hire and draft competent personnel, whose fault is that?   ???  His predecessor, Phil Savage (another Ravens front office employee), didn't do much better and both of them worked under Ozzie Newsome.  I admit that 3 games isn't a fair shake for Kokinis except he was responsible for the draft and the 0-3 record doesn't bode well with QB controversies and the like.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on September 28, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
The Brownies should have kept Romeo, all they got was a snitch...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on September 28, 2009, 07:11:01 PM
J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!

Jets? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUlX4H98jb8)

No, THE NY Jets, as in the NY Jets that spanked TOM BRADY last week, and beat the Titans this week!  ;D  ;D

Oh.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 29, 2009, 01:10:59 PM
Marty Shottenheimer: mildly successful with, and after, Browns.

Bill Belachoke: Great D coach under Parcells.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" with Pats (guess the cheating helped a ton).
Bruce Ariens: Great O coach.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" O coach after.
Romeo Crennel: Great D coach.  Awful with Browns.

What's terrifying: each of the last three made awful coaching decisions, especially in the area of non-expertise, which severely hampered the Browns.  Can't blame it all on personnel.  

The following are examples of one coach and one owner who made a difference in their franchises despite the talent levels they had:

Brian Billick - self-proclaimed offensive genius in Minnesota with a young Randy Moss.  Wins Super Bowl with defense thanks to Ray Lewis.  Runs many QBs into the ground (Elvis Grbac, Tony Banks, Kyle Boller, et al.).  Talks himself out of Baltimore and into Coors commercials.  Three defensive coordinators become head coaches (Jack del Rio, Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan).  Meltdown by Bart Scott against the Patriots at the end of 2007 is laid at the feet of Billick by owner Steve Bisciotti.  Gave the late Steve McNair one more chance at glory in 2006 except the gas tank ran out on McNair in the playoffs.

Robert Kraft - committed owner who brought the Patriots out of obscurity thanks to Drew Bledsoe's arm in the mid 1990's.  Later received honorary degree from Boston University.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: admiralnick on September 29, 2009, 03:13:16 PM
Eric Mangini: 0-3 (was intern for old Cleveland Browns before their move to Baltimore)

That fact seemingly means nothing in the modern NFL.  

Paul Brown: Genius coach, visionary for the NFL (and the importance of the forward pass - see Otto Graham), grandfather of the West-Coast offense (as Bill Walsh's mentor and Head coach in Cincy).  Successful in Cleveland.  Team named after him.

Marty Shottenheimer: mildly successful with, and after, Browns.

Bill Belachoke: Great D coach under Parcells.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" with Pats (guess the cheating helped a ton).
Bruce Ariens: Great O coach.  Awful with Browns.  "Genius" O coach after.
Romeo Crennel: Great D coach.  Awful with Browns.

What's terrifying: each of the last three made awful coaching decisions, especially in the area of non-expertise, which severely hampered the Browns.  Can't blame it all on personnel.  

Lovie Smith: Average D coordinator, extremely poor head coach.

-Nick
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 29, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
Art Modell was an innovator despite what the rest of NE Ohio thinks about him. He innovated by getting out of football at the right time.   ;)

His innovations came well before the departure (MNF, for one).  However, leaving Cleveland was a mistake; they should have expanded into Baltimore - instead, Baltimore inflicted on another city the pain they themselves "went through" (supposedly).

The NFL wanted the growing South (e.g. Carolina, Jacksonville) and saw Baltimore as "past its prime."  People in LA love hosting Super Bowls ... without having teams to play for one.

Remember that the NFL is a fraternity of 32 very rich (and in some instances, very old) men.  Art Modell saw how Bob Irsay destroyed a team who had legendary following from the 1958 NFL Championship game and moved it to greener pastures.  Former Giants owner Wellington Mara (with Lombardi trophy in his case) was good friends with Modell.  Five years after moving the team from Cleveland, guess who raised the Lombardi trophy?

If Randy Lerner's GM (former Raven front office man George Kokinis) can't hire and draft competent personnel, whose fault is that?   ???  His predecessor, Phil Savage (another Ravens front office employee), didn't do much better and both of them worked under Ozzie Newsome.  I admit that 3 games isn't a fair shake for Kokinis except he was responsible for the draft and the 0-3 record doesn't bode well with QB controversies and the like.

The only think I fault Kokinis for is not cleaning house and starting anew; but, unfortunately, in Cleveland we're tired of coaches/GMs "rebuilding" every other year since the return.  Otherwise, I don't think one can judge a coach & GM until they've been in for 3 years.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 29, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
The only think I fault Kokinis for is not cleaning house and starting anew; but, unfortunately, in Cleveland we're tired of coaches/GMs "rebuilding" every other year since the return.  Otherwise, I don't think one can judge a coach & GM until they've been in for 3 years.

Sometimes, disciplining one player sets the tone for the entire franchise (e.g. Chris McCallister, former Raven, hasn't played anywhere else).

Jim Harbaugh could have been steamrolled; Instead, Ozzie Newsome drafted some potent offensive weapons for him (and Offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, coming off 1-15 record as Dolphins coach in 2007) just as he did for Billick on defense (Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Scott).

In this 24 hour sports news cycle, 3 years may be too long.  If only Cleveland fans can wait and see what tunes Mangini/Kokinis will sing.   :o
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on September 29, 2009, 10:51:13 PM
Washington is in worst shape than the Brownies...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 29, 2009, 11:23:16 PM
Washington is in worst shape than the Brownies...

I always felt that owner Dan Snyder should coach the team, be the GM, do everything.  The man can't delegate nor does he know anything besides getting out before the tech bust of 1999.

Maybe the Redskins and DC United merge into a UEFA Champions League competitor on US soil....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on September 29, 2009, 11:30:16 PM
What a threesome, Davis , Jones and Snyder...sounds like a darn law firm

I dislike lawyers as much as politicians...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 29, 2009, 11:39:38 PM
Pro football....    Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn ::)


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 29, 2009, 11:48:40 PM
Pro football....    Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn ::)

College football.... Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn

The last exciting moment in College football was the Boise State player proposing to his cheerleader girlfriend after his team upset Oklahoma.

I can't wait to see Tim Tebow in the NFL, if he bothers to enter the draft.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 30, 2009, 01:19:18 AM
Pro football....    Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn ::)

College football.... Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn

The last exciting moment in College football was the Boise State player proposing to his cheerleader girlfriend after his team upset Oklahoma.

I can't wait to see Tim Tebow in the NFL, if he bothers to enter the draft.

To each his own.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
To each his own.

If they pay college football players, then I'll care a little more about college football.

Navy football is exciting - one bad conversion attempt from tying OSU.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 30, 2009, 03:43:07 AM
Pro football....    Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn ::)

College football.... Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnn

The last exciting moment in College football was the Boise State player proposing to his cheerleader girlfriend after his team upset Oklahoma.

I can't wait to see Tim Tebow in the NFL, if he bothers to enter the draft.
First, he needs to recover from getting his bell rung last Saturday.  Man, he took a nasty hit!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on September 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Besides myself, any NFL fans here not too fond of Roger Goodell?  Watering down the sport (turn on Sportscenter Monday morning and hear about half-a-dozen fined players for "playing the game too rough"), the blackouts for some teams during these tough economic times, allowing London to host 1 (and soon to be 2) regular season games (why not try to expand into Canada and Mexico where some of the population of these countries actually care about the NFL?) and the shocking rumors of possibly holding a Super Bowl in London in the near future (could you imagine those on the West coast starting their Super Bowl parites at 11 a.m.?).  The man makes me more frustrated than Snyder.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
First, he needs to recover from getting his bell rung last Saturday.  Man, he took a nasty hit!

There are a lot of 300 lb defensive lineman waiting for Tim Tebow to take a snap for the Redskins, Browns or whoever has the #1 pick.  Roger Goddell can give Tebow a dispensation to wear the red "no contact" shirt during NFL games as long as he doesn't run the ball.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 30, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
First, he needs to recover from getting his bell rung last Saturday.  Man, he took a nasty hit!

There are a lot of 300 lb defensive lineman waiting for Tim Tebow to take a snap for the Redskins, Browns or whoever has the #1 pick.  Roger Goddell can give Tebow a dispensation to wear the red "no contact" shirt during NFL games as long as he doesn't run the ball.   ::)

I don't know if I'd want him here in Cleveland.  Let him prove he's a great passer (not merely "getting by"), first.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
There are a lot of 300 lb defensive lineman waiting for Tim Tebow to take a snap for the Redskins, Browns or whoever has the #1 pick.  Roger Goddell can give Tebow a dispensation to wear the red "no contact" shirt during NFL games as long as he doesn't run the ball.   ::)

I don't know if I'd want him here in Cleveland.  Let him prove he's a great passer (not merely "getting by"), first.

Well, big men at QB haven't fared well in the NFL.  The big man (Jared Lorenzen, undrafted free agent in 2004) who was QB at Kentucky put up great numbers and was too slow for NFL game speed.  Byron Leftwich (7th pick in 2003 Draft) is a big QB with some speed who has stuck around for a number of years.

I think of Gino Toretta (7th round pick in 1993 Draft) every time I see Tebow.  Toretta has one career TD pass....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on September 30, 2009, 01:58:28 PM
SolEX01

I don't think the Redskins would draft Tebow.  His legendary status is really only in the southeast, I don't think to many in the D.C. area know of/care about Tebow.  From what I hear, the Jags are hoping to get Tebow in the 2010 draft; keep the local hero in Northern Florida.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 30, 2009, 02:08:09 PM
SolEX01

I don't think the Redskins would draft Tebow.  His legendary status is really only in the southeast, I don't think to many in the D.C. area know of/care about Tebow.  From what I hear, the Jags are hoping to get Tebow in the 2010 draft; keep the local hero in Northern Florida.

A lot of good he's going to do them.  In this day and age, it's actually better to have not won a National Title once you've gotten to the NFL (Manning(s), Rothlesburger, Brady - 0 National Titles; College title-winner = Also-ran in today's NFL).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 30, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
SolEX01

I don't think the Redskins would draft Tebow.  His legendary status is really only in the southeast, I don't think to many in the D.C. area know of/care about Tebow.  From what I hear, the Jags are hoping to get Tebow in the 2010 draft; keep the local hero in Northern Florida.

A lot of good he's going to do them.  In this day and age, it's actually better to have not won a National Title once you've gotten to the NFL (Manning(s), Rothlesburger, Brady - 0 National Titles; College title-winner = Also-ran in today's NFL).
There's probably some truth to that.  I've seen a number of top-of-the-draft QB's turn out to be busts in the NFL (think Joey Harrington) in part because the lousy franchises that drafted them did little to really develop them for the NFL game, didn't have the personnel to protect them (i.e., good pass blockers), or put too much pressure on them for instant success.  There's probably also the factor that what often makes for a superstar college QB today doesn't translate very well to success in the NFL because of differences in offensive styles.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 03:53:21 PM
There's probably some truth to that.  I've seen a number of top-of-the-draft QB's turn out to be busts in the NFL (think Joey Harrington) in part because the lousy franchises that drafted them did little to really develop them for the NFL game, didn't have the personnel to protect them (i.e., good pass blockers), or put too much pressure on them for instant success.  There's probably also the factor that what often makes for a superstar college QB today doesn't translate very well to success in the NFL because of differences in offensive styles.

Compare and Contrast: Ravens and Lions 1st round draft picks since 1996.

Ravens: 9 of their first round draft picks are still with team.  Two are a retired future hall of famers (Ogden, Boulware).  One is nearing retirement (J. Lewis).  One is a backup for the Rams (Boller).  A few are out of football (T. Taylor, C. McCallister, D. Starks).  With the exception of R. Lewis legal problems in Atlanta early in his career, the Ravens first round picks have stayed out of legal trouble.

Lions: Three offensive tackles, Four wide receivers, three outside linebackers and two cornerbacks plus Matthew Stafford and Joey Harrington.

I'm sure every team wishes to draft the best player on the board when their turn comes up; however, some teams do a better job analyzing talent than others.  It all goes back to Pop Warner when team A beats team B 99-0.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 30, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
There's probably some truth to that.  I've seen a number of top-of-the-draft QB's turn out to be busts in the NFL (think Joey Harrington) in part because the lousy franchises that drafted them did little to really develop them for the NFL game, didn't have the personnel to protect them (i.e., good pass blockers), or put too much pressure on them for instant success.  There's probably also the factor that what often makes for a superstar college QB today doesn't translate very well to success in the NFL because of differences in offensive styles.

Compare and Contrast: Ravens and Lions 1st round draft picks since 1996.

Ravens: 9 of their first round draft picks are still with team.  Two are a retired future hall of famers (Ogden, Boulware).  One is nearing retirement (J. Lewis).  One is a backup for the Rams (Boller).  A few are out of football (T. Taylor, C. McCallister, D. Starks).  With the exception of R. Lewis legal problems in Atlanta early in his career, the Ravens first round picks have stayed out of legal trouble.

Lions: Three offensive tackles, Four wide receivers, three outside linebackers and two cornerbacks plus Matthew Stafford and Joey Harrington.

I'm sure every team wishes to draft the best player on the board when their turn comes up; however, some teams do a better job analyzing talent than others.  It all goes back to Pop Warner when team A beats team B 99-0.   ;D
You've not told us anything about the players the Lions drafted in the first round, except for the positions they played and the names of the two QBs.  You've not said anything about how they did in the NFL, how long they played for their original team (the Lions), or even how they did at staying out of legal trouble while in the league.  Are you assuming that we already know about these things?  If not, you're not giving us enough information to be able to make a valid comparison between Detroit's first round draft picks and Baltimore's.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 30, 2009, 06:58:29 PM
To each his own.

If they pay college football players, then I'll care a little more about college football.

Navy football is exciting - one bad conversion attempt from tying OSU.   ;D

Navy is exciting. Another example of why college football is so great. College players play for pride and tradition. How ridiculous is it that guys like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss make millions of dollars and only play hard when they feel like it. But that's pro sports. Fans who pay their hard earned money to watch it are suckers in my opinion. But that's just me.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
Compare and Contrast: Ravens and Lions 1st round draft picks since 1996.

Ravens: 9 of their first round draft picks are still with team.  Two are a retired future hall of famers (Ogden, Boulware).  One is nearing retirement (J. Lewis).  One is a backup for the Rams (Boller).  A few are out of football (T. Taylor, C. McCallister, D. Starks).  With the exception of R. Lewis legal problems in Atlanta early in his career, the Ravens first round picks have stayed out of legal trouble.

Lions: Three offensive tackles, Four wide receivers, three outside linebackers and two cornerbacks plus Matthew Stafford and Joey Harrington.

I'm sure every team wishes to draft the best player on the board when their turn comes up; however, some teams do a better job analyzing talent than others.  It all goes back to Pop Warner when team A beats team B 99-0.   ;D
You've not told us anything about the players the Lions drafted in the first round, except for the positions they played and the names of the two QBs.  You've not said anything about how they did in the NFL, how long they played for their original team (the Lions), or even how they did at staying out of legal trouble while in the league.  Are you assuming that we already know about these things?  If not, you're not giving us enough information to be able to make a valid comparison between Detroit's first round draft picks and Baltimore's.

You're right.  :-[ Wikipedia didn't have an entry on Detroit Lions first round draft picks like they did for the Ravens and I could speak for the Ravens' legal problems based on my knowledge of living in the area.

Suffice to say that the Ravens have done a better job drafting players in the last 14 years than the Detroit Lions as evident by won/loss records, team stability, etc.  I could have used Cincinnati's 1st round picks as an equivalent example.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
To each his own.

If they pay college football players, then I'll care a little more about college football.

Navy football is exciting - one bad conversion attempt from tying OSU.   ;D

Navy is exciting. Another example of why college football is so great. College players play for pride and tradition.

Navy is 2-2, better than most college and Pro teams in the DC metro area besides those 3-1 Va. Tech Hokies.   :D

How ridiculous is it that guys like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss make millions of dollars and only play hard when they feel like it. But that's pro sports. Fans who pay their hard earned money to watch it are suckers in my opinion. But that's just me.

I agree with your sentiments exactly.  I've never seen the Ravens in the 14 years they have been in town.  I've only been in M&T Bank Stadium exactly once ... for a high school football game.

I may have seen the Terps play once in the late 1990's and I saw my alma mater twice before the President dropped the team in 1996.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on September 30, 2009, 08:07:59 PM
Compare and Contrast: Ravens and Lions 1st round draft picks since 1996.

Ravens: 9 of their first round draft picks are still with team.  Two are a retired future hall of famers (Ogden, Boulware).  One is nearing retirement (J. Lewis).  One is a backup for the Rams (Boller).  A few are out of football (T. Taylor, C. McCallister, D. Starks).  With the exception of R. Lewis legal problems in Atlanta early in his career, the Ravens first round picks have stayed out of legal trouble.

Lions: Three offensive tackles, Four wide receivers, three outside linebackers and two cornerbacks plus Matthew Stafford and Joey Harrington.

I'm sure every team wishes to draft the best player on the board when their turn comes up; however, some teams do a better job analyzing talent than others.  It all goes back to Pop Warner when team A beats team B 99-0.   ;D
You've not told us anything about the players the Lions drafted in the first round, except for the positions they played and the names of the two QBs.  You've not said anything about how they did in the NFL, how long they played for their original team (the Lions), or even how they did at staying out of legal trouble while in the league.  Are you assuming that we already know about these things?  If not, you're not giving us enough information to be able to make a valid comparison between Detroit's first round draft picks and Baltimore's.

You're right.  :-[ Wikipedia didn't have an entry on Detroit Lions first round draft picks like they did for the Ravens and I could speak for the Ravens' legal problems based on my knowledge of living in the area.

Suffice to say that the Ravens have done a better job drafting players in the last 14 years than the Detroit Lions as evident by won/loss records, team stability, etc.  I could have used Cincinnati's 1st round picks as an equivalent example.
Yet these indicators are not dependent solely on quality of drafting decisions, partly because teams aren't assembled through the draft alone.

What about coaching as a factor in team success, for instance?  Together with coaching, I think we also need to consider how a team's front office supports the coaching staff.  Is a franchise willing to hire one coach and stick with him for a few years, or are they motivated by the "WIN NOW OR ELSE!" mentality that seems to have infected so many teams today?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 30, 2009, 08:20:26 PM
Compare and Contrast: Ravens and Lions 1st round draft picks since 1996.

Ravens: 9 of their first round draft picks are still with team.  Two are a retired future hall of famers (Ogden, Boulware).  One is nearing retirement (J. Lewis).  One is a backup for the Rams (Boller).  A few are out of football (T. Taylor, C. McCallister, D. Starks).  With the exception of R. Lewis legal problems in Atlanta early in his career, the Ravens first round picks have stayed out of legal trouble.

Lions: Three offensive tackles, Four wide receivers, three outside linebackers and two cornerbacks plus Matthew Stafford and Joey Harrington.

I'm sure every team wishes to draft the best player on the board when their turn comes up; however, some teams do a better job analyzing talent than others.  It all goes back to Pop Warner when team A beats team B 99-0.   ;D
You've not told us anything about the players the Lions drafted in the first round, except for the positions they played and the names of the two QBs.  You've not said anything about how they did in the NFL, how long they played for their original team (the Lions), or even how they did at staying out of legal trouble while in the league.  Are you assuming that we already know about these things?  If not, you're not giving us enough information to be able to make a valid comparison between Detroit's first round draft picks and Baltimore's.

You're right.  :-[ Wikipedia didn't have an entry on Detroit Lions first round draft picks like they did for the Ravens and I could speak for the Ravens' legal problems based on my knowledge of living in the area.

Suffice to say that the Ravens have done a better job drafting players in the last 14 years than the Detroit Lions as evident by won/loss records, team stability, etc.  I could have used Cincinnati's 1st round picks as an equivalent example.

1 Lion beats all your Ravens: Barry Sanders.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on September 30, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Navy is exciting. Another example of why college football is so great. College players play for pride and tradition.

Well - College Football is so great/exciting because you've got a limited legitimate talent pool diffused across 117 D1 teams; most games are driven by the strategy more than the personnel.  Only the elite national powerhouse recruiting teams win despite strategy through their superior talent.  (And the cream of the crop win with both.)

How ridiculous is it that guys like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss make millions of dollars and only play hard when they feel like it. But that's pro sports. Fans who pay their hard earned money to watch it are suckers in my opinion. But that's just me.

I don't know if "only play hard when they feel like it" is exactly accurate, or at least accurate in tone; more like "they take breaks when they want to," since they do play hard most of the time.  Like any team game, their hard work (or non-work, whatever the case may be) can and frequently is mitigated by the efforts, successes, and failures of the teammates (especially in these cases, since they both utterly depend on someone else to get them the ball).  They're certainly not poster children for on-field work ethic at all times (although Moss is much better about it than he used to be; TO has a great off-field workout routine and discipline, though), but they are talented, and amongst the best in history (statistically) at their positions.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on September 30, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
What, no baseball play off talk ?  All I hear are crickets...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on September 30, 2009, 08:49:09 PM
Gebre Menfes Kidus

Come on man, some teams in the NFL have great history and tradition like some college teams: The Packers, the Redskins (well the NFC East in general), the Steelers, and DA Bears (on a side note and a bit of a rant, a few months ago I was watching NFL network where one of the commentators was discussing which 5 franchises have "the most loyal and best fan bases."  His 5 choices were the Packers (agreed), the Giants (erm...I don't know about that; baseball is #1 in New York not to mention the AFL was able to build a team in the Giants' backyard), the Eagels (surely the most abnoxious, not even close to the most loyal), the Steelers (agreed), and the Patriots (since when?  Brady started winning Super Bowls?).  My top five would be. 1. Packers, 2. Steelers, 3. Redskins, 4. Bears, 5. Broncos).  I mean look at the Redskins: a long standing tradition, a band (like many college teams), a fight song, and a huge stadium (lol).
I am a fan of both college and professional football (though I prefer the speed of the pro game).  With that said, the entire BCS thing is a turnoff.  There really is never any post-season drama, just a bunch of bowl games that nobody really cares about.  I think instituting a playoff system in college football is really a must.

Oh, and Jakub a video I saw today; I found it quite funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_yq4L3M_I
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on September 30, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
What, no baseball play off talk ?  All I hear are crickets...


Funny, that's the same sound I hear whenever I sit down to watch a baseball game.

Baseball is great for an afternoon nap. It's a snoozer of a game, and is boooooooooring!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on September 30, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
Also, the 2009 NHL season just started.  Let's go Caps, the only hope for those living in the D.C. area lol!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on September 30, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
Navy is exciting. Another example of why college football is so great. College players play for pride and tradition.

Well - College Football is so great/exciting because you've got a limited legitimate talent pool diffused across 117 D1 teams; most games are driven by the strategy more than the personnel.  Only the elite national powerhouse recruiting teams win despite strategy through their superior talent.  (And the cream of the crop win with both.)

How ridiculous is it that guys like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss make millions of dollars and only play hard when they feel like it. But that's pro sports. Fans who pay their hard earned money to watch it are suckers in my opinion. But that's just me.

I don't know if "only play hard when they feel like it" is exactly accurate, or at least accurate in tone; more like "they take breaks when they want to," since they do play hard most of the time.  Like any team game, their hard work (or non-work, whatever the case may be) can and frequently is mitigated by the efforts, successes, and failures of the teammates (especially in these cases, since they both utterly depend on someone else to get them the ball).  They're certainly not poster children for on-field work ethic at all times (although Moss is much better about it than he used to be; TO has a great off-field workout routine and discipline, though), but they are talented, and amongst the best in history (statistically) at their positions.

I don't fault the players too much, because they are victims of the system. It takes a person of extremely exceptional character to exert 100% effort at all times while playing on a team that is say 0-8. Why should they risk injury or tire themself out when they will be a multi-millionaire regardless? Michael Jordan was an exception to the rule. He always played with the same passion regardless of the score or the teams record. His money and fame never crippled his competitive spirit.

But college players are always subject to the loss of their scholarship. They play for pride, and they play for an opportunity to get to the next level. Rarely does a player transfer to another team, so the spirit of loyalty is paramount in college athletics. But in the pros, rivalries and team pride are always secondary to an individual's salary.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on September 30, 2009, 09:57:26 PM
Oh, and Jakub a video I saw today; I found it quite funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_yq4L3M_I



May George rest in peace...ah the good old days

I played Little League and High School ball...though not as a noted jock like Al Bundy
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on September 30, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
1 Lion beats all your Ravens: Barry Sanders.

If only Barry Sanders played for Denver his entire career.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 01, 2009, 12:10:48 AM
1 Lion beats all your Ravens: Barry Sanders.

If only Barry Sanders played for Denver his entire career.   ::)

Barry Sanders... Now there's a guy who gave it 100% all the time!!! He never slacked off all those years that he played for a losing team.

Walter Payton was another true warrior. All out all the time.

Not many like that around today.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 01, 2009, 01:40:13 AM
The Eskimos need to get their act together...and quickly!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on October 01, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
^  I saw part of that game with the Rough Riders.  I like the Eskies but I would probably always choose the 'Riders first.   ;D  (Sorry.)  It's amazing how big the CFL is in Western Canada!  It also has quite a pedigree in Hamilton (which is my first team, although I don't watch much now or expect the Ticats to do that well  ;D).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on October 01, 2009, 05:19:26 PM
Wow....you don't see this every day!  :o

Cincinnati, OH (Sports Network) - Pitcher Chris Carpenter enjoyed a career day at the plate, hitting a grand slam and driving in six, as the St. Louis Cardinals routed the Cincinnati Reds, 13-0, in finale of a three-game series.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=293333
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 01, 2009, 05:55:25 PM
Wow....you don't see this every day!  :o

Cincinnati, OH (Sports Network) - Pitcher Chris Carpenter enjoyed a career day at the plate, hitting a grand slam and driving in six, as the St. Louis Cardinals routed the Cincinnati Reds, 13-0, in finale of a three-game series.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=293333
Well, the first NL player to ever hit two grand slams in a single game was a pitcher. :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 01, 2009, 10:52:38 PM
Forget moving the Bills to Toronto!  Let the CFL and NFL merge.  8 CFL teams; 8 divisions in the NFL; 1 team to each division and the NFL has its foot in Canada. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 02, 2009, 01:34:54 AM
Forget moving the Bills to Toronto!  Let the CFL and NFL merge.  8 CFL teams; 8 divisions in the NFL; 1 team to each division and the NFL has its foot in Canada. :laugh:

Tell me you are joking....


On a side note, the large amount of Madden I have played this week has shown me how insanely hard three-down football would really be....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 02, 2009, 09:30:01 PM
Ukiemeister

I was joking lol
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 08, 2009, 03:24:51 AM
Preface this with my apologies to Mr. Y for rubbing this in...

Dodgers and Cardinals set a new record tonight for a mark in playoff hitting futility: 30 runners left stranded on base.  L.A. left 16 runners, and the Cardinals stranded 14.  L.A. won the game 5-3 to join the Yankees and Phillies as teams to take 1-0 leads in their first round series.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 08, 2009, 09:08:25 AM
Preface this with my apologies to Mr. Y for rubbing this in...

Dodgers and Cardinals set a new record tonight for a mark in playoff hitting futility: 30 runners left stranded on base.  L.A. left 16 runners, and the Cardinals stranded 14.  L.A. won the game 5-3 to join the Yankees and Phillies as teams to take 1-0 leads in their first round series.
Yeah, I watched the first two hours of the game, and they had only played four innings. Kudos to the pitchers for keeping the score low despite two phenomenal offences, but I was frustrated on several occasions.

Unfortunately, I was prevented from recording the last half (as I usually do with late games) due to blackout restrictions, but I read on worldseries.com the results.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 09, 2009, 12:06:04 AM
Preface this with my apologies to Mr. Y for rubbing this in...

Dodgers and Cardinals set a new record tonight for a mark in playoff hitting futility: 30 runners left stranded on base.  L.A. left 16 runners, and the Cardinals stranded 14.  L.A. won the game 5-3 to join the Yankees and Phillies as teams to take 1-0 leads in their first round series.
Yeah, I watched the first two hours of the game, and they had only played four innings. Kudos to the pitchers for keeping the score low despite two phenomenal offences, but I was frustrated on several occasions.

Unfortunately, I was prevented from recording the last half (as I usually do with late games) due to blackout restrictions, but I read on worldseries.com the results.
Two words about tonight's game:  Matt Holliday - His muff of a fly ball on what would have been the game's final play enables the Dodgers to put together a 9th-inning 2-out rally that sinks the Cards.  Dodgers 2, Cardinals 0.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on October 09, 2009, 12:47:28 AM
^Total lack of fundamentals on that play. 

Go Dodgers!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: rwprof on October 09, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
Sports AND Orthodoxy: Emelianenko gets married.

http://centralpennsylvaniaorthodox.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/fedor-emelianenko-gets-married/

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 09, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Preface this with my apologies to Mr. Y for rubbing this in...

Dodgers and Cardinals set a new record tonight for a mark in playoff hitting futility: 30 runners left stranded on base.  L.A. left 16 runners, and the Cardinals stranded 14.  L.A. won the game 5-3 to join the Yankees and Phillies as teams to take 1-0 leads in their first round series.
Yeah, I watched the first two hours of the game, and they had only played four innings. Kudos to the pitchers for keeping the score low despite two phenomenal offences, but I was frustrated on several occasions.

Unfortunately, I was prevented from recording the last half (as I usually do with late games) due to blackout restrictions, but I read on worldseries.com the results.
Two words about tonight's game:  Matt Holliday - His muff of a fly ball on what would have been the game's final play enables the Dodgers to put together a 9th-inning 2-out rally that sinks the Cards.  Dodgers 2, Cardinals 0.
Sickening. We really needed that win. Maybe we can pull off two in St. Louis, but back in L.A. a win is going to be tough.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 10, 2009, 05:38:08 PM
Is baseball season over yet?  Man, I hope this is the last season in the history of MLB baseball.  Hate watching sportscenter Monday morning and having all these stupid highlights of baseball games in between the highlights of NFL Sunday.  THE MOST BORING SPORT EVA!  (note: said only in good fun, but i am honest).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 10, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
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Sports AND Orthodoxy: Emelianenko gets married.

Speaking of which, I think it'll take an act of God for Fedor to sign with the UFC  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 10, 2009, 06:37:26 PM
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Speaking of which, I think it'll take an act of God for Fedor to sign with the UFC 

LOL, perhaps one day (I honestly believe Emelianenko will never sign with the UFC; he just doesn't seem too interested in working for Dana "****ing" White).  I think Lesnar would be a very interesting opponent for Fedor, and if the fight ever does come to fruition it would be awesome to see Fedor train with Alexander Karelin to improve his wrestling abilities.  Still, excited for the Rua vs. Machida fight on the 24th.  It's a shame NSAC doesn't allow soccer kicks and stomps, it was Rua's bread and butter.  Still, even though he is a huge underdog, I believe Rua will win the belt on the 24th.
Finally, I do miss PrideFC so very much (dispite connections with the yakuza). 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 10, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
MLB, blah, blah, blah...
NFL, blah, blah, blah...
NHL, blah, blah, blah...
UFC, I guess if you like violence...

Man, don't y'all know that all that matters is: BAMA is 6 and 0!

                                    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)

ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 10, 2009, 09:55:33 PM
Good night St. Louis...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 10, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
Preface this with my apologies to Mr. Y for rubbing this in...

Dodgers and Cardinals set a new record tonight for a mark in playoff hitting futility: 30 runners left stranded on base.  L.A. left 16 runners, and the Cardinals stranded 14.  L.A. won the game 5-3 to join the Yankees and Phillies as teams to take 1-0 leads in their first round series.
Yeah, I watched the first two hours of the game, and they had only played four innings. Kudos to the pitchers for keeping the score low despite two phenomenal offences, but I was frustrated on several occasions.

Unfortunately, I was prevented from recording the last half (as I usually do with late games) due to blackout restrictions, but I read on worldseries.com the results.
Two words about tonight's game:  Matt Holliday - His muff of a fly ball on what would have been the game's final play enables the Dodgers to put together a 9th-inning 2-out rally that sinks the Cards.  Dodgers 2, Cardinals 0.
Sickening. We really needed that win. Maybe we can pull off two in St. Louis, but back in L.A. a win is going to be tough.
Ain't gonna happen now.  The Birds just died.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 10, 2009, 11:25:40 PM
Watching LSU and Florida establishes how weak the SEC Conference is (besides Alabama).

The ACC, Big Ten and Big Twelve are the power conferences.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 10, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Watching LSU and Florida establishes how weak the SEC Conference is (besides Alabama).
??? A game against each other shows how weak the SEC is?  Isn't that data sample way too small?

The ACC, Big Ten and Big Twelve are the power conferences.
Yeah, right. ::)  And what have you been smoking? ;)  You do realize that the SEC currently has three teams ranked in the Top 5 and that one of them is the defending national champions, and that these defending champion Florida Gators returned at least half of the starting lineup that won last year's title?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 10, 2009, 11:41:44 PM
MLB, blah, blah, blah...
NFL, blah, blah, blah...
NHL, blah, blah, blah...
UFC, I guess if you like violence...

Man, don't y'all know that all that matters is: BAMA is 6 and 0!

                                    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)    ;)

ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!  ROLL TIDE!


Selam
Oh, p'shaw! ::)  If Bama beats LSU in a few weeks, then I'll pay attention.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 10, 2009, 11:43:34 PM
Watching LSU and Florida establishes how weak the SEC Conference is (besides Alabama).
??? A game against each other shows how weak the SEC is?  Isn't that data sample way too small?

Not when LSU loses by 10 points at home.  LSU beat themselves with penalties and turnovers.  Florida is no better.  I don't know why everyone likes the SEC?   ???

The ACC, Big Ten and Big Twelve are the power conferences.
Yeah, right. ::)  And what have you been smoking? ;)  You do realize that the SEC currently has three teams ranked in the Top 5 and that one of them is the defending national champions, and that these defending champion Florida Gators returned at least half of the starting lineup that won last year's title?

I haven't been smoking anything.  My Terps are getting smoked.  Navy is 4-2 (let's see any SEC team stop the wishbone attack).  The SEC is way overrated even more overrated than Ohio St. and Notre Dame.   :)  Finally, before there was Florida, there was U. of Miami and the swagger (so what if they lost to Va. Tech, that was a good game).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 10, 2009, 11:49:52 PM
Watching LSU and Florida establishes how weak the SEC Conference is (besides Alabama).
??? A game against each other shows how weak the SEC is?  Isn't that data sample way too small?

Not when LSU loses by 10 points at home.  LSU beat themselves with penalties and turnovers.
LSU losing by 10 points at home to the No. 1 team in the country.

Florida is no better.
Drawing on data from outside today's game?

I don't know why everyone likes the SEC?   ???
Because they're good.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 10, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
Ain't gonna happen now.  The Birds just died.


No, the Red Birds are taking a Holliday...

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 11, 2009, 12:05:28 AM
I actually anticipated Ole Miss being our first loss. Their defense is REAL. Bama has a great offense, averaging more than 30 points per game until today; and Ole Miss held us to only one touchdown. We couldn't get into the end zone although we were inside the red zone on numerous occasions. We won 22-3 on five field goals and one TD.

Don't forget Ole Miss beat Fla last year.

The Tide still has a tough road ahead. Tennessee, LSU, and the cow college (aka Auburn) will all be difficult. In the SEC, every game is a dog fight. It's the most physical conference for sure. Even Vandy and Kentucky will knock your head off.

It should be Bama and Fla in the SEC championship. But we do have to get past LSU. But history shows that we own the bayou!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 11, 2009, 12:40:38 AM
LSU beat themselves with penalties and turnovers.
Likely excuse. ::)  LSU only turned the ball over only once (to match the Gators' one turnover), and they weren't whistled for all that many penalties.  LSU lost because the nation's best defense held their rushing game to little more than two yards per carry and sacked their QB five times, not because of penalties and turnovers.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 11, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
sigh...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 11, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
How can the Tennessee Titans be 0-5 (well, they'll be 0-5 once Indy dispatches them)?

Josh McDaniels, is he for real?

Why do the Red Sox keep losing to the Angels year in and year out?

Does anybody care about NASCAR?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 11, 2009, 11:34:45 PM
Why do the Red Sox keep losing to the Angels year in and year out?
Where the **** have you been, SolEX?  This is the first time the Angels have ever beaten the Red Sox in a playoff series.  Prior to Boston's loss to the Angels in Game 3 of the 2008 ALDS, a series the Red Sox eventually won 3-1, Boston even had an 11-game postseason winning streak against the Angels, dating back to their comeback from down 1-3 to win the 1986 ALCS.  That streak is to date the record for most consecutive postseason wins by one team over another.  FTR, the Red Sox eliminated the California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels from the postseason in the 1986 ALCS (4-3), the 2004 ALDS (3-0), the 2007 ALDS (3-0), and the 2008 ALDS (3-1).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 11, 2009, 11:38:52 PM
Did anyone see the Broncos' retro uniforms today?  Aren't they the most hideous uniforms you've ever seen? :P

And what about Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson, with his pass efficiency rating of 15.1 against Buffalo? (2 completions out of 17 passes thrown for 23 yards, 0 TD, and 1 interception) :o  Despite his ineptitude, the Browns still won 6-3.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 11, 2009, 11:55:22 PM
The Broncos uni's reminded me of UPS...Brady's knee still ain't right

At least we didn't lose to NYY...although the LA A of A is still searching for it's identity

Go Dodgers...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 11, 2009, 11:56:24 PM
Why do the Red Sox keep losing to the Angels year in and year out?
Where the **** have you been, SolEX?  This is the first time the Angels have ever beaten the Red Sox in a playoff series.  Prior to Boston's loss to the Angels in Game 3 of the 2008 ALDS, a series the Red Sox eventually won 3-1, Boston even had an 11-game postseason winning streak against the Angels, dating back to their comeback from down 1-3 to win the 1986 ALCS.  That streak is to date the record for most consecutive postseason wins by one team over another.  FTR, the Red Sox eliminated the California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels from the postseason in the 1986 ALCS (4-3), the 2004 ALDS (3-0), the 2007 ALDS (3-0), and the 2008 ALDS (3-1).

Oops, I was making the observation that the Red Sox and Angels played each other for 3 straight years in the ALDS.  Seemed to me that the Angels won for 3 straight seasons with their recent series victory in the ALDS.   :-[

Angels v. Yankees - Angels are team on mission following the death of their pitcher.  Angels in 6.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on October 12, 2009, 12:48:21 AM
No, it's going to be a struggle.  I say it will go to 7 games.  God willing, Angels win.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 12, 2009, 01:07:01 AM
The Broncos uni's reminded me of UPS...
They remind me of Milk Duds.

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__17/ept_sports_nfl_experts-33791550-1255309475.jpg?ymjSBCCDAUId0rqC)(http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u375/milk-dud.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 12, 2009, 01:14:23 AM
And what about Cleveland Browns QB Derek Anderson, with his pass efficiency rating of 15.1 against Buffalo? (2 completions out of 17 passes thrown for 23 yards, 0 TD, and 1 interception) :o  Despite his ineptitude, the Browns still won 6-3.

As the Baltimore Ravens showed a few years ago, a competent QB is not needed to win in the NFL.

However, Derek Anderson is damaged goods (and Brady Quinn is right behind him).  Some HS football program could use them as a head coaches down the road.

Meanwhile, Minnesota is 5-0 and the Purple People Eaters have their eyes on a Purple team coming into their Dome in 6 days.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 12, 2009, 02:18:32 AM
The Broncos uni's reminded me of UPS...
They remind me of Milk Duds.

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__17/ept_sports_nfl_experts-33791550-1255309475.jpg?ymjSBCCDAUId0rqC)(http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u375/milk-dud.jpg)

They would have been OK except for those ridiculous socks!

BTW, this another reason why I don't like pro football- the uniforms are terrible. What's up with the stupid rule about having to have the legs completely covered?

College uniforms are so much cooler.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 12, 2009, 09:41:23 AM
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College uniforms are so much cooler.

WRONG!

Behold the beauty of the burgundy and gold (just don't focus on the actual football skills, or lack thereof, of the Skins).

(http://img2.allposters.com/images/PHO/AAGS099.jpg)

College uniforms are better?

(http://1ac1.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/10163.jpg)

You're just jealous Alabama doesn't have an NFL team.



Fixed img tags so photos would show up in post...  -PtA
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 12, 2009, 11:35:55 AM
College uniforms are better?

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Yeah, even us Oregon Duck fans like to complain about our team's uniforms. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 12, 2009, 12:36:22 PM
Other than the Broncos' uniform (I was hoping to see the Sky Blue and Orange uniforms), I was pleased to see some of the traditional uniforms worn yesterday.  The Rams' uniform (granted it is more or less the same, but I prefer the Blue and Yellow over the actual Gold and Blue), the Patriots' (really prefer their throwback uniform compared to the one they wear now-a-days) and the Vikings last Monday night (once more, more or less the same as now, but I prefer the strip down the side of the pant legs over the weird pointy thing they and the Carninals have on their jerseys and pants).
Also, the Titans should wear the old Oilers' uniform.
The Jets use of the old Titans' uniform is a disgrace; they are already wearing the throwback uniform and should keep it that way lol.
IMO, the worst uniform in the NFL belongs to the Seahawks.
IMO the best uniforms: Skins, Bears, Packers (when the visiting team), and 49ers.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 12, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
College uniforms are better?

(photo not included in quote to save bandwidth)
Yeah, even us Oregon Duck fans like to complain about our team's uniforms. :P

Although nothing beats those simple classy Bama uniforms, I gotta say that the Ducks have some cool threads man. ;) My sons like to watch Oregon because of the uniforms.

Here some other college uniforms I like (with no bearing on my like for these teams):

Penn State

Notre Dame

Georgia Tech

USC

Army

Navy

LSU (hate to say it :P)



Selam


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 14, 2009, 02:10:57 AM
Anybody FIFA World Cup Qualifying Africa fans?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 14, 2009, 02:43:29 AM
Anybody FIFA World Cup Qualifying Africa fans?

Of course!

Who has qualified so far? I'm guessing Ivory Coast, Ghana, and Senegal so far? What about Cameroon, South Africa, and Nigeria?

It's hard for me to keep up, so please keep us apprised. How awesome would it be for an African team to finally win the World Cup in South Africa!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 14, 2009, 03:22:04 AM
Anybody FIFA World Cup Qualifying Africa fans?

Of course!

Who has qualified so far? I'm guessing Ivory Coast, Ghana, and Senegal so far? What about Cameroon, South Africa, and Nigeria?

It's hard for me to keep up, so please keep us apprised. How awesome would it be for an African team to finally win the World Cup in South Africa!

Selam

Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire have qualified. Three places left up for grabs. I predict Cameroon, Nigeria, and Algeria.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 14, 2009, 03:46:41 AM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 14, 2009, 03:57:29 AM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.

1:30 PM GMT.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 14, 2009, 09:27:30 AM
Anybody FIFA World Cup Qualifying Africa fans?
What about Cameroon, South Africa, and Nigeria?
I saw the US/Cameroon game, and I must say Cameroon was playing very well. US won, though, and they are looking very promising, especially since the defeat of Spain last year. After so many years when we didn't even qualify, I'm looking forward to my Yankees actually making a decent appearance for once.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 14, 2009, 04:53:12 PM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.

1:30 PM GMT.

WOW...thank you...how'd you find out if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 14, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.

1:30 PM GMT.

WOW...thank you...how'd you find out if you don't mind me asking?

Now that I google around some more, I'm coming up with a few different times.....anywhere from noon GMT to 2 pm GMT...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 14, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
The Steelers lost Aaron Smith for the year.  :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 15, 2009, 02:13:15 AM
The Steelers lost Aaron Smith for the year.  :'(
Fortunately for the immediate short term, though, the offensive unit of their next opponent, the Cleveland Browns, hasn't been able to play their way out of a wet paper bag.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 15, 2009, 02:17:50 PM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.

1:30 PM GMT.

WOW...thank you...how'd you find out if you don't mind me asking?

Now that I google around some more, I'm coming up with a few different times.....anywhere from noon GMT to 2 pm GMT...

What do you put in the google search engine?  Frankly, I'm having quite a hard time with my own google.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 16, 2009, 04:49:17 PM
Ghana defeats Brazil 4-3 in penalties in the Under 20 World Cup!

WOW! What a terrific match!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 16, 2009, 06:01:26 PM
I just read this story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565841) on espn.com. I was wondering if someone out there could explain to me the rationale behind blacking out a game in an area where I'd assume millions would want to watch it? It's not going to happen in this case, by why should it even be a possibility because ticket sales were a few thousand short?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 16, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
well, Egypt only needs to be Algeria by three goals  :(

Anyway, the Nov. 14th game between Algeria and Egypt, does anyone have any idea what time that game will be played?  FIFA doesn't say.

And South Africa of course is automatically qualified.

1:30 PM GMT.

WOW...thank you...how'd you find out if you don't mind me asking?

Now that I google around some more, I'm coming up with a few different times.....anywhere from noon GMT to 2 pm GMT...

What do you put in the google search engine?  Frankly, I'm having quite a hard time with my own google.

"algeria vs. egypt november 14"
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 16, 2009, 06:19:12 PM
I see what you're saying...

Still, it doesn't seem all that conclusive, but it would be nice if it were around that time...that means morning Eastern time, which means I can still do clinic work in the afternoon.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 16, 2009, 06:47:10 PM
I just read this story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565841) on espn.com. I was wondering if someone out there could explain to me the rationale behind blacking out a game in an area where I'd assume millions would want to watch it? It's not going to happen in this case, by why should it even be a possibility because ticket sales were a few thousand short?

It's the sorry mentality of pro football: we can't sell out games, so we'll try to force you to buy tickets by blacking out the game on tv. What a joke. Can you imagine that happening on the college level?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 17, 2009, 01:42:38 AM
Why is it that 2 teams from LA Metro Area play two teams on the I-95 Corridor in the Baseball playoffs?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 17, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
Why is it that 2 teams from LA Metro Area play two teams on the I-95 Corridor in the Baseball playoffs?
Because they're good.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 17, 2009, 07:22:07 PM
Why is it that 2 teams from LA Metro Area play two teams on the I-95 Corridor in the Baseball playoffs?
Well, I'll break it down for you.
1. The Los Angeles Dodgers won the NL West, then defeated the St. Louis Cardinals, the NL Central champions, in three games.
2. The Philadelphia Phillies won the NL East, then defeated the wild card Colorado Rockies in four games.
3. The California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim won the AL West, then defeated the wild card Boston Red Sox in three games.
4. The New York Yankees won the AL East, then defeated the Minnesota Twins, the AL Central champions, in three games.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 17, 2009, 08:34:29 PM
^ Thank You for repeating 2009 up to the present.  ::)

Now, I like to know why these 4 teams consistently play each other in MLB Playoffs.   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 17, 2009, 11:05:05 PM
^ Thank You for repeating 2009 up to the present.  ::)

Now, I like to know why these 4 teams consistently play each other in MLB Playoffs.   ???
Simple.  They don't. ;)  This year is only the third time in the past decade that the Angels and Yankees have faced each other in the postseason--the Angels had too much trouble the last few years just getting past Boston.  As for the NL, this is indeed the second straight year the Phillies and Dodgers qualified to play each other in the NLCS, but prior to last year these two teams hadn't faced each other in the postseason since 1983.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 18, 2009, 01:22:17 AM
Simple.  They don't. ;)  This year is only the third time in the past decade that the Angels and Yankees have faced each other in the postseason--the Angels had too much trouble the last few years just getting past Boston.  As for the NL, this is indeed the second straight year the Phillies and Dodgers qualified to play each other in the NLCS, but prior to last year these two teams hadn't faced each other in the postseason since 1983.

The Yankees, Angels and Phillies have won a World Series since 2000.  The Dodgers won in 1988.

Perhaps I'm just venting about the lack of parity in baseball.   :-\
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 18, 2009, 01:51:02 AM
When is baseball over for the year??
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 18, 2009, 02:05:36 AM
When is baseball over for the year??

You and me both.   :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 18, 2009, 02:19:40 AM
Quote
Perhaps I'm just venting about the lack of parity in baseball.

I don't think it's all about money, but I think that's a large part of it. All four teams that are left in the playoffs have a 2009 payroll of more than 100,000,000. On the other hand, the teams that absolutely suck, like the Nationals and the Pirates, are at the bottom of the payroll list. Admittedly, there were 9 teams over 100,000,000 in 2009, and not all of those teams were good (like the Mets and Astros). Also, not all of the teams at the bottom of the list totally sucked (like the Rays). Still, I think generally speaking, if you're not willing to put some serious money into a team, your chances of really competing are almost zero. Which means my Pirates will never again make the playoffs. :(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 18, 2009, 02:22:43 AM
Simple.  They don't. ;)  This year is only the third time in the past decade that the Angels and Yankees have faced each other in the postseason--the Angels had too much trouble the last few years just getting past Boston.  As for the NL, this is indeed the second straight year the Phillies and Dodgers qualified to play each other in the NLCS, but prior to last year these two teams hadn't faced each other in the postseason since 1983.

The Yankees, Angels and Phillies have won a World Series since 2000.
So have the Diamondbacks, the Marlins, the White Sox, and the Cardinals, not all of whom could be considered big-market teams like the Yankees.  So what's your point? ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 18, 2009, 07:18:17 PM
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Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 18, 2009, 09:27:03 PM
So have the Diamondbacks, the Marlins, the White Sox, and the Cardinals, not all of whom could be considered big-market teams like the Yankees.  So what's your point? ;)

None of those other teams play in $1.5 Billion Stadiums.  The Nationals play in a $600 Million Stadium which is already empty like Montreal.  Give another year or two of futility and the attendance will be 3 digits.  Same is true for the Orioles who play in, ah, taxpayer funded Stadium.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 18, 2009, 11:34:09 PM
^ Thank You for repeating 2009 up to the present.  ::)
You're welcome. You didn't seem to understand the nature of a 162-game season culminating in an eight-team single-elimination tournament, and how the results of said season are not fixed.

Now, I like to know why these 4 teams consistently play each other in MLB Playoffs.   ???
Simple.  They don't. ;)  This year is only the third time in the past decade that the Angels and Yankees have faced each other in the postseason--the Angels had too much trouble the last few years just getting past Boston.  As for the NL, this is indeed the second straight year the Phillies and Dodgers qualified to play each other in the NLCS, but prior to last year these two teams hadn't faced each other in the postseason since 1983.
Not to mention that of the AL teams in the playoffs this year, only the Red Sox were in the postseason last year, and neither of the other two National League teams in the playoffs this year, the Cardinals and Rockies, made the postseason last year. So though this year's NLCS may be a repeat of last year's, it very well could have been played in St. Louis and Denver instead. Again, the results are based only on who wins, and not who has what stadium or whose fans stand outside in colder weather. It's simple business: the teams which attract the most sales get to buy the players they choose. Teams have different ways of attracting sales, and it's not always about the playoffs. The Cardinals didn't make the postseason the year Mark McGwire was reported to have broken Roger Maris' record, yet they were selling standing-room-only tickets and pumping out merchandise to as many retailers as they could. Maybe you don't like the way the baseball business works, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

So have the Diamondbacks, the Marlins, the White Sox, and the Cardinals, not all of whom could be considered big-market teams like the Yankees.  So what's your point? ;)

None of those other teams play in $1.5 Billion Stadiums.  The Nationals play in a $600 Million Stadium which is already empty like Montreal.  Give another year or two of futility and the attendance will be 3 digits.  Same is true for the Orioles who play in, ah, taxpayer funded Stadium.
How much of that $1.5 billion do you think the city of New York is going to make back in sales tax, hotel taxes, business licences, etc.? I know when we go to St. Louis for a game, we end up spending not only $100 on tickets ($9 of which is sales tax), but $50 on dinner ($4.50 sales tax), maybe a couple of caps for $30 ($2.70), $30 in gas ($2.70), and a night in a hotel for $120 ($30 tax). Add that up, and the city of St. Louis gets $48.90 from us for one Cardinals game. The Cardinals sold 3.5 million tickets this year. If all of them are like us, St. Louis received $171 million this year in taxes from Cardinals fans--and that doesn't include the apparel and other related merchandise sold on- and off-season at St. Louis retailers. And St. Louis is not the only one to benefit: businesses all over the country who sell Cardinals merchandise, restaurants who hold Cardinals watch parties, and many more benefit their cities with sales tax revenue. The fact is that cities build these stadiums expecting an increase in tax revenue, and they usually get it. It may be that your city isn't receiving that revenue for one reason or another, but that's not the fault of baseball, and it's not the fault of those cities and teams which are succeeding.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 19, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
^ Thank You for repeating 2009 up to the present.  ::)
You're welcome. You didn't seem to understand the nature of a 162-game season culminating in an eight-team single-elimination tournament, and how the results of said season are not fixed.

Was there actually a 162 game season?  I thought there were 8 pre-ordained teams and the other 24 served as the Washington Generals when they play the Harlem Globetrotters....

Not to mention that of the AL teams in the playoffs this year, only the Red Sox were in the postseason last year, and neither of the other two National League teams in the playoffs this year, the Cardinals and Rockies, made the postseason last year. So though this year's NLCS may be a repeat of last year's, it very well could have been played in St. Louis and Denver instead. Again, the results are based only on who wins, and not who has what stadium or whose fans stand outside in colder weather. It's simple business: the teams which attract the most sales get to buy the players they choose. Teams have different ways of attracting sales, and it's not always about the playoffs. The Cardinals didn't make the postseason the year Mark McGwire was reported to have broken Roger Maris' record, yet they were selling standing-room-only tickets and pumping out merchandise to as many retailers as they could. Maybe you don't like the way the baseball business works, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Wouldn't Pujols look nice in an Orioles uniform ... if the Yankees don't sign him first.

How much of that $1.5 billion do you think the city of New York is going to make back in sales tax, hotel taxes, business licences, etc.?

Every penny ... and then some.

I know when we go to St. Louis for a game, we end up spending not only $100 on tickets ($9 of which is sales tax), but $50 on dinner ($4.50 sales tax), maybe a couple of caps for $30 ($2.70), $30 in gas ($2.70), and a night in a hotel for $120 ($30 tax). Add that up, and the city of St. Louis gets $48.90 from us for one Cardinals game.

You're paying for the TWA Dome, Convention Center, Highway Projects and who knows what else is applied towards St. Louis.

I've been to Camden Yards four times since 2006.  I certainly do not make as much of a contribution to Baltimore's economy as your family.  The hotel tax can't be 25% in St. Louis - In MD, the tax is 6% state and between 5-9% for counties and municipalities (like Baltimore).  The combined hotel tax ranges from 11-14%.

The Cardinals sold 3.5 million tickets this year. If all of them are like us, St. Louis received $171 million this year in taxes from Cardinals fans--and that doesn't include the apparel and other related merchandise sold on- and off-season at St. Louis retailers. And St. Louis is not the only one to benefit: businesses all over the country who sell Cardinals merchandise, restaurants who hold Cardinals watch parties, and many more benefit their cities with sales tax revenue. The fact is that cities build these stadiums expecting an increase in tax revenue, and they usually get it. It may be that your city isn't receiving that revenue for one reason or another, but that's not the fault of baseball, and it's not the fault of those cities and teams which are succeeding.

I'm not even talking about sales tax revenues.  Why bring up the topic for the Orioles have had 12 straight losing seasons?   :-\
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 19, 2009, 12:18:19 AM
Wouldn't Pujols look nice in an Orioles uniform ... if the Yankees don't sign him first.
There were others before him, and there will be others after him. He's said publicly he's staying with the Redbirds as long as they pay him competitively, and I have every reason to believe we will continue to do so. He is one of the best players in the game, and he is excellent at training some of our newer and/or less talented players to play far beyond what we thought possible. I think we're content to reach into our pretty deep pockets for a player like Albert.

How much of that $1.5 billion do you think the city of New York is going to make back in sales tax, hotel taxes, business licences, etc.?

Every penny ... and then some.
Exactly. That's why they built the House That Resembles the One Ruth Built, but That We Bulldozed For a Bigger Profit.

You're paying for the TWA Dome, Convention Center, Highway Projects and who knows what else is applied towards St. Louis.
Correction: Edward Jones Dome. And I'm happy to pay for those things; we certainly use them. And I'd have to dig out my last bill (which was in 2008; we didn't go to the park this year due to my wife's pregnancy), but I swear we payed 25% in hotel tax last time (though part of that may have been sales tax, which is about 9% in St. Louis).

I'm not even talking about sales tax revenues.  Why bring up the topic for the Orioles have had 12 straight losing seasons?   :-\
You have to spend money to make money. If the Orioles aren't willing to spend the money, they won't have a successful team. But I guess Baltimore figures Camden Yards has long since paid itself off, so it's not really a concern.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 19, 2009, 12:33:32 AM
Wouldn't Pujols look nice in an Orioles uniform ... if the Yankees don't sign him first.
There were others before him, and there will be others after him. He's said publicly he's staying with the Redbirds as long as they pay him competitively, and I have every reason to believe we will continue to do so. He is one of the best players in the game, and he is excellent at training some of our newer and/or less talented players to play far beyond what we thought possible. I think we're content to reach into our pretty deep pockets for a player like Albert.

Some day in Missouri, there may be an Albert Pujols baseball campus like Cal Ripken, Jr. has in Aberdeen, MD.

Exactly. That's why they built the House That Resembles the One Ruth Built, but That We Bulldozed For a Bigger Profit.

At least the "original" House that Ruth built will become a public park.

Correction: Edward Jones Dome. And I'm happy to pay for those things; we certainly use them. And I'd have to dig out my last bill (which was in 2008; we didn't go to the park this year due to my wife's pregnancy), but I swear we payed 25% in hotel tax last time (though part of that may have been sales tax, which is about 9% in St. Louis).

Thanks for the correction; I forgot about the name change based on reading outdated links from search engines.  If the local sales tax is 9%, do these other voter approved taxes add up to 16% to arrive at the 25% number you cited?

I'm not even talking about sales tax revenues.  Why bring up the topic for the Orioles have had 12 straight losing seasons?   :-\
You have to spend money to make money. If the Orioles aren't willing to spend the money, they won't have a successful team. But I guess Baltimore figures Camden Yards has long since paid itself off, so it's not really a concern.

The MD Lottery provides revenue to pay off the bonds used to build the baseball and football stadiums.  Camden Yards has been around for 20 years since its groundbreaking.  M&T Bank Stadium has been around for 14 years since its groundbreaking.  I think the State took out 20 Year bonds to pay for construction.  Besides, the rental agreements for the Orioles and Ravens contain a parity clause so if one team receives HD Upgrades, so does the other team.

Jerry Jones spent $1.2 Billion to build his own stadium and he has total control of revenues (I'm not sure how Dallas Metro area deals with tax structures).  Daniel Snyder also controls revenue for the Redskins.  Peter Angelos (owner of Orioles) knows his team is worth 4-6 times what he paid for it in US Bankruptcy Court in 1993; Simple math shows that Mr. Angelos took the $150 Million he received from MD in a tobacco settlement and multiplied that amount many times (as owner of Orioles) over while performing civic and philanthropic work in and around Baltimore area.  Angelos knows he can't compete with Steinbrenner, Henry and others who want to spend 9 digits except Angelos knows that the Twins and Rays have been successful with lower payrolls.  Loser is the last word in Peter Angelos' vocabulary.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on October 19, 2009, 06:23:05 AM
Why begrudge Steinbrenner (or anyone else for that matter) for spending money on their team? This is what capitolism is all about. You work hard, earn your money, then have the right to spend it how you choose.

Steinbrenner chooses to spend it on investing in talent and on a new stadium for his team.

He's not asking for the taxpayers of NY to pay for it, so what's the problem?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 19, 2009, 07:58:53 AM
Thanks for the correction; I forgot about the name change based on reading outdated links from search engines.  If the local sales tax is 9%, do these other voter approved taxes add up to 16% to arrive at the 25% number you cited?
I'm trying to remember from over a year ago, and I've apparently not kept the paperwork this long. I've looked it up on the St. Louis County site, though, and they say 7.25%, so we actually paid about 16.25%.

http://revenue.stlouisco.com/Licensing/HotelRoom.aspx

The MD Lottery provides revenue to pay off the bonds used to build the baseball and football stadiums.  Camden Yards has been around for 20 years since its groundbreaking.  M&T Bank Stadium has been around for 14 years since its groundbreaking.  I think the State took out 20 Year bonds to pay for construction.  Besides, the rental agreements for the Orioles and Ravens contain a parity clause so if one team receives HD Upgrades, so does the other team.
Makes sense to use the lottery if state funds paid for the stadiums. Are the Ravens any good? More importantly, do they generate tourism and retail sales?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 19, 2009, 02:14:31 PM
Why begrudge Steinbrenner (or anyone else for that matter) for spending money on their team? This is what capitolism is all about. You work hard, earn your money, then have the right to spend it how you choose.

Steinbrenner chooses to spend it on investing in talent and on a new stadium for his team.

He's not asking for the taxpayers of NY to pay for it, so what's the problem?
But is it really wise to enforce Capitalism upon professional sports when the end result is small-market cities rarely able to rally around teams that actually have a chance of competing for national championships, or at least winning more games than they lose?  Professional sports teams don't make big profits just by working hard and winning; they also have to benefit from playing before large crowds of paying spectators.  Teams in smaller cities just don't have the fan base to be able to draw such crowds, so they bring in less money than the big market teams like the Yankees.  Less money from ticket sales means less money to pay players, which ultimately means that successful small-market teams find it much harder to sustain their success and unsuccessful small-market teams find it much harder to become successful.  Say what you want about the merits of Capitalism, but I don't think the kind of setup I just described is good for professional sports.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 19, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
Thanks for the correction; I forgot about the name change based on reading outdated links from search engines.  If the local sales tax is 9%, do these other voter approved taxes add up to 16% to arrive at the 25% number you cited?
I'm trying to remember from over a year ago, and I've apparently not kept the paperwork this long. I've looked it up on the St. Louis County site, though, and they say 7.25%, so we actually paid about 16.25%.

http://revenue.stlouisco.com/Licensing/HotelRoom.aspx

I thought St. Louis was an independent city; although if you stayed at a hotel in St. Louis County, never mind.   :-[

So, 16.25% combined tax rate isn't "bad."  A $119 room night costs $19.34 vs. $30 that was cited earlier - saving $10.66.   :)

The MD Lottery provides revenue to pay off the bonds used to build the baseball and football stadiums.  Camden Yards has been around for 20 years since its groundbreaking.  M&T Bank Stadium has been around for 14 years since its groundbreaking.  I think the State took out 20 Year bonds to pay for construction.  Besides, the rental agreements for the Orioles and Ravens contain a parity clause so if one team receives HD Upgrades, so does the other team.
Makes sense to use the lottery if state funds paid for the stadiums. Are the Ravens any good? More importantly, do they generate tourism and retail sales?

Ravens won Super Bowl in 2000, after St. Louis won in 1999.  Since 2000, I believe the Ravens have two sub-500 seasons unlike the Rams.

Thousands of Ravens fans come via bus from Central PA just for the day (no hotels, no sightseeing).  Baltimore receives more economic benefit from the tens of thousands of Yankee and Red Sox fans who invade Camden Yards although the ecnonomic recession slightly reduced those numbers.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 20, 2009, 07:16:35 AM
I thought St. Louis was an independent city; although if you stayed at a hotel in St. Louis County, never mind.   :-[
It is. Actually, it's set up just like Baltimore. We usually do stay in the county; hotels downtown are much too expensive.

Ravens won Super Bowl in 2000, after St. Louis won in 1999.  Since 2000, I believe the Ravens have two sub-500 seasons unlike the Rams.
Okay, so since they've been rather poor for some time, I'm guessing the bandwagon fan base has fallen off. Always happens.

Thousands of Ravens fans come via bus from Central PA just for the day (no hotels, no sightseeing).  Baltimore receives more economic benefit from the tens of thousands of Yankee and Red Sox fans who invade Camden Yards although the ecnonomic recession slightly reduced those numbers.
And this is one of the biggest draws for the small-market teams. The bigger ones with a national fan base will come to these smaller teams' stadiums and will provide some much-needed revenue. To this day the only games I've seen at Kauffman Stadium have been when the Red Sox or Cardinals were playing.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 23, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 23, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?
Is it really so many people who say this? Or merely the sportscasters? Because I have yet to hear any modern sportscaster who has a positive IQ.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 23, 2009, 04:26:29 PM
Lol, well now that I think about it, it's just the broadcasters and analysts I see on TV.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on October 23, 2009, 06:27:41 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?

I think the point that they are trying to make is that it is a good thing to shoot the puck if you have an excellent shot and are in position to get a good shot at the net.  They make this point because some finesse players (particularly Europeans, or so we are told) have a tendency to dipsy-doodle and try and make the perfect play, instead of just taking a shot when they have good position.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 23, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?

I think the point that they are trying to make is that it is a good thing to shoot the puck if you have an excellent shot and are in position to get a good shot at the net.  They make this point because some finesse players (particularly Europeans, or so we are told) have a tendency to dipsy-doodle and try and make the perfect play, instead of just taking a shot when they have good position.

Very good point. Ales Hemsky is a perfect example of this. Getting any shots on net is a good thing...as long as you learn to clean up the garbage.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 23, 2009, 09:52:52 PM
Yeah, good point :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on October 23, 2009, 09:58:19 PM
Getting any shots on net is a good thing...as long as you learn to clean up the garbage.

Well said!  A shot on net is never actually a bad idea.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 24, 2009, 07:24:20 PM
Why would Tennessee kick another long field goal given that one was already blocked?  They had plenty of time to either score a TD or try a much shorter field goal.

Otherwise, Tennessee played well enough to upset #1 Alabama.  Pat Summitt could coach the Vols better than Lane Kiffin....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 24, 2009, 10:04:27 PM
Why would Tennessee kick another long field goal given that one was already blocked?  They had plenty of time to either score a TD or try a much shorter field goal.

Otherwise, Tennessee played well enough to upset #1 Alabama.  Pat Summitt could coach the Vols better than Lane Kiffin....

As a BAMA fan, I gotta disagree with you. Give Kiffin credit, he outcoached Saban today. We successfully run the ball with Heisman Trophy candidate Mark Ingram until we get inside the 10, then we try to pass 3 consecutive times! Our coaching cost Ingram the Heisman today; and more importantly it almost cost us the game.

There were only 4 seconds left in the game when Tenn tried the game winning field goal. What else were they supposed to do? Terrance Cody just made two incredible plays to salvage the game for us. WOW!

Hey, we'll take a win over the Hillbillies any way we can get it. But I'm absolutely disgusted that it even came down to that. "The 3rd Saturday in October" is always gonna be a slug fest, but that was ridiculous! Whew! :P


Nevertheless.....  Mt. Cody Rises Above the Smokies!!!



ROLL TIDE!  ;) ROLL TIDE!  :) ROLL TIDE!  ;) ROLL TIDE!  :) ROLL TIDE!  ;) ROLL TIDE!  :) ROLL TIDE!  ;)  ROLL TIDE  :)  ROLL TIDE   ;)  ROLL TIDE  :)  ROLL TIDE   ;)  ROLL TIDE   :)  ROLL TIDE   ;)





Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 24, 2009, 10:34:48 PM
Why would Tennessee kick another long field goal given that one was already blocked?  They had plenty of time to either score a TD or try a much shorter field goal.

Otherwise, Tennessee played well enough to upset #1 Alabama.  Pat Summitt could coach the Vols better than Lane Kiffin....
You have any idea how hard it is to block a field goal, then do it again later in the same quarter?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 25, 2009, 12:02:11 AM
Nevertheless.....  Mt. Cody Rises Above the Smokies!!!

"Mt. Cody" better show up for the probable BCS Championship Game against Florida.   ::)

BCS is in desperate need of ratings and there is nothing like 2 SEC competitors, ranked #1 and #2, playing each other again.

Tebow ties Hershel Walker for most TDs in NCAA history and throws 2 pick sixes against Mississippi St.  I've never been impressed with Tebow.  If any NFL team drafts him, they can convert him to a short yardage fullback given his history of concussions.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 25, 2009, 12:05:15 AM
Why would Tennessee kick another long field goal given that one was already blocked?  They had plenty of time to either score a TD or try a much shorter field goal.

Otherwise, Tennessee played well enough to upset #1 Alabama.  Pat Summitt could coach the Vols better than Lane Kiffin....
You have any idea how hard it is to block a field goal, then do it again later in the same quarter?

There was an obvious mismatch in the trenches between Tennessee's field goal unit and Cody which allowed Cody to elevate and block the kicks.  Tennessee had 40 seconds left after the big play for first down; they could have tried to gain 20 yards for a shorter kick or go for the TD since they were moving the ball at will against the Tide.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 25, 2009, 12:10:03 AM
The Beavers blew it against the Trojans; otherwise, they had a good chance to beat USC at a home night game.

Navy (6-2) and Maryland (2-6) ought to switch places with the Mids joining the ACC (football only) and Maryland playing Independents like Notre Dame.

Georgia Tech runs Navy's offense almost as good as ... wait a minute, Navy's former coach is at Ga. Tech.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 25, 2009, 12:15:32 AM
Nevertheless.....  Mt. Cody Rises Above the Smokies!!!

"Mt. Cody" better show up for the probable BCS Championship Game against Florida.   ::)

BCS is in desperate need of ratings and there is nothing like 2 SEC competitors, ranked #1 and #2, playing each other again.

Tebow ties Hershel Walker for most TDs in NCAA history and throws 2 pick sixes against Mississippi St.  I've never been impressed with Tebow.  If any NFL team drafts him, they can convert him to a short yardage fullback given his history of concussions.

Well, as much as all the pundits want to pencil in us vs Florida for the SEC Championship, we're gonna take it one game at a time. It's clear to me that we can be beat by any SEC team at any time. But Champions survive and advance- day by day, week by week, game by game...   just like in life.

Either way, I'm proud of the way BAMA does things. Nick Saban has a classy team that plays with class and character. He's restored the integrity of the program and got our standards back in line with our storied tradition.

Dare I say it... BAMA is the Orthodoxy of college football: TRADITION! ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 25, 2009, 12:28:20 AM
Well, as much as all the pundits want to pencil in us vs Florida for the SEC Championship, we're gonna take it one game at a time. It's clear to me that we can be beat by any SEC team at any time. But Champions survive and advance- day by day, week by week, game by game...   just like in life.

Thanks for mentioning Alabama and Florida playing each other in the SEC Championship for that means Alabama and Florida have the chance to play each other three times in one season.  The Tide still has LSU, Miss. St., Chattanooga and Auburn - 3 tough Conference Games.

Either way, I'm proud of the way BAMA does things. Nick Saban has a classy team that plays with class and character. He's restored the integrity of the program and got our standards back in line with our storied tradition.

Remember, I like Bear for he was the first college coach I remember (Tom Landry and his hat and overcoat for the NFL).  I have no issue with the Tide; I have issues with the SEC and poor officiating.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 25, 2009, 12:36:53 AM
Well, as much as all the pundits want to pencil in us vs Florida for the SEC Championship, we're gonna take it one game at a time. It's clear to me that we can be beat by any SEC team at any time. But Champions survive and advance- day by day, week by week, game by game...   just like in life.

Thanks for mentioning Alabama and Florida playing each other in the SEC Championship for that means Alabama and Florida have the chance to play each other three times in one season.  The Tide still has LSU, Miss. St., Chattanooga and Auburn - 3 tough Conference Games.

Either way, I'm proud of the way BAMA does things. Nick Saban has a classy team that plays with class and character. He's restored the integrity of the program and got our standards back in line with our storied tradition.

Remember, I like Bear for he was the first college coach I remember (Tom Landry and his hat and overcoat for the NFL).  I have no issue with the Tide; I have issues with the SEC and poor officiating.

Well, we haven't played Florida this season and won't unless we meet them in the SEC Championship. But yeah, we've got 3 tough SEC Western Division teams left on the schedule. LSU probably has as much pure athletic talent as any team in the SEC (or the country); Miss State can upset anyone; and of course you can throw out the record books when it comes to the Iron Bowl.

I'm with you though, it doesn't get more classy than Tom Landry and Bear Bryant. And I still think Roger Staubach is the greatest all around QB that ever played the game.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 25, 2009, 01:07:55 AM
Quote
Dare I say it... BAMA is the Orthodoxy of college football: TRADITION!

I guess that makes Penn State the Roman Catholics, with Joe Pa as Pope  :P

(http://meanbrutus.com/Images/joe_pa.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 25, 2009, 01:53:03 AM
Quote
Dare I say it... BAMA is the Orthodoxy of college football: TRADITION!

I guess that makes Penn State the Roman Catholics, with Joe Pa as Pope  :P

(http://meanbrutus.com/Images/joe_pa.jpg)

Notre Dame might disagree with you. :D


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 25, 2009, 02:48:41 AM
Well, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (my avatar and my second favorite fighter only after Fedor Emelianenko) lost a decision to Lyoto Machida tonight, though there are riots all over MMA forums claiming the fight was somehow fixed.  Shogun clearly won the fight 4 rounds to 1 IMO (or 49-46).  Shogun is the people's champ of the UFC LHW division.       
(http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00296/UFC25_296201gm-a.jpg)

continued:
the results of various MMA sites before the official decision:

Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker -- Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on October 25, 2009, 06:34:29 AM
A fix in boxing's modern-day successor?  Never! ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on October 25, 2009, 09:30:25 AM
Quote
A fix in boxing's modern-day successor?  Never!

lol, well i shouldn't say the fight itself was fixed; but perhaps the judges were told to give the fight to Machida if it went to decision (no doubt UFC marketing is trying to milk the "karate-kid" vibe Machida gives off for all it's worth).  Shogun was a 6 to 1 underdog, if Shogun won perhaps Vegas would have gone bankrupt? ***sigh*** well Dana White is saying there will be an immediate rematch; hopefully Shogun puts Machida to sleep to leave no doubt the second time around.

Fight facts:
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

So Shogun connects with more strikes overall (almost twice as much) as well as more powerful strikes, and attempts more takedowns (4-0) and still losses.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ms.hoorah on October 25, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?
Oh! I know this answer! (hockey mom x 2 decades AND more importantly, I have pets named Mario and Jaromir.)

1.  it could take a wild bounce and go in. 
2.  somebody can deflect a wild biscuit and light up a hack. 
3.  the goalie could have his vision blocked by a 250lb goon and let one in
4.  the goalie's caffeine/amphetamines/benzoylmethylecgonine (whatever makes him twitch) could be wearing off=slow reaction time=potential goal
5.  the galvanized rubber could hit an unpadded area of your opponent and make them limp slowly to the bench raising the morale and beer consumption of fans
6.  FOR A MILLION REASONS, IT COULD START A FISTICUFFS!

And...Ovechkin is a tool. How bout dem Guins!  ( Господин Ovechkin believes he has more talent than he does. The Pittsburgh Penguins are magnificent.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 25, 2009, 04:08:37 PM
We knew that Skippy (aka Jeff Reed) likes to pick fights with towel dispensers, and now we also know that he tackles like a sissy. Thankfully the Steelers won't lose this game because of his poor tackling ability.

Let's go Pens!
Let's go Steelers!
Let's go Pira... er... nevermind.  ;D

(http://www.footblog.com/images/jeff_reed_krtphotoslive340928-SPORTS-FBN-SUPE.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 25, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?
Oh! I know this answer! (hockey mom x 2 decades AND more importantly, I have pets named Mario and Jaromir.)

1.  it could take a wild bounce and go in. 
2.  somebody can deflect a wild biscuit and light up a hack. 
3.  the goalie could have his vision blocked by a 250lb goon and let one in
4.  the goalie's caffeine/amphetamines/benzoylmethylecgonine (whatever makes him twitch) could be wearing off=slow reaction time=potential goal
5.  the galvanized rubber could hit an unpadded area of your opponent and make them limp slowly to the bench raising the morale and beer consumption of fans
6.  FOR A MILLION REASONS, IT COULD START A FISTICUFFS!
Perfect example of the wild bounce:

Video: Who had more embarrassing goal, Pavelec or Toskala? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Who-had-more-embarrassing-goal-Pavelec-o?urn=nhl,197825)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: minasoliman on October 25, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
so it's official:  Cairo vs. Algeria at 12:30PM NY time (which means it will be at 7:30 PM in Cairo, I think).

November 14th.  Egypt needs to win by three goals to advance to the world cup.  If they win only by two, there is a dead-heat tie on all accounts of the FIFA rules, to which FIFA rules say will result in drawing lots or another game due by November 18th at neutral soil (which is what makes this game so exciting).

If however Egypt won by only one goal, tied, or lost to Algeria in that game, no matter what, points add up in a fashion that Algeria will advance.

Scary circumstances, but the excitement is alive!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 25, 2009, 09:55:05 PM
I have pets named Mario and Jaromir

According to Wikipedia, Jagr is an EO convert. Given that the Czech Republic is one of the most non-religious countries in Europe, I'm not sure how devout he is....but its interesting...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Ortho_cat on October 25, 2009, 11:57:57 PM
Ok, I have a hockey question. Why do so many people talk about how many shots Ovechkin takes like it's a good thing? To have a high scoring percentage is a good thing, but what is inherently good about simply taking a lot of shots?

If it doesn't go in on the first shot it often creates secondary scoring opportunities for himself or for his teammates. When you get the puck around the net, good things happen.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 26, 2009, 12:20:53 AM
Go Phillies...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 26, 2009, 12:28:54 AM
Go Phillies...
Let's hope they can be less sloppy than the Angels.  Errors on back-to-back sacrifice bunts in the 8th inning that allow the Yankees to score an unearned insurance run. ::)  Phew, that stinks!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on October 28, 2009, 12:35:17 PM
Giants pitcher Hoyt Wilhelm hit a home run on his first at-bat in the major leagues.

He played for 21 seasons but never hit another homer.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on October 28, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
(http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/go_yanks_2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 28, 2009, 02:31:58 PM
Giants pitcher Hoyt Wilhelm hit a home run on his first at-bat in the major leagues.

He played for 21 seasons but never hit another homer.

Like the beginning golfer I heard about who hit a hole-in-one the first time he ever swung a club through a golf ball.  He ended up still shooting 200 through 18 holes, or something like that.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on October 28, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
(http://reid.mlblogs.com/scoreboard_26_6/images/go_yanks_2.jpg)

You're off my Christmas Card list, forever!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 28, 2009, 10:20:31 PM
Crosby had a hat trick tonight. Just sayin' :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 28, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
...and now the Phillies won. Have to say that it was a good night. :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 29, 2009, 07:02:07 AM
Yeah, Utley's two homers were impressive, as well as Cliff Lee's behind-the-back catch. Wow.

I am still unimpressed by the Yankees. This is the second time this postseason a player has been tagged out just standing near the base. Fundamentals, anyone?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on October 29, 2009, 11:18:32 AM
You're off my Christmas Card list, forever!

I didn't realize I was on it!  :o  ???  :P  :laugh:

Why am I a Yankees fan? Because you only have to watch them one month a year: October. :D

In all honesty I'm not a big baseball fan. I enjoy the play-offs and the World Series. The Yankees make it easy to do so.  ;D

Last night they didn't look so hot. Hopefully they will rally tonight and beat the Sillies!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on October 29, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
Yeah, Utley's two homers were impressive, as well as Cliff Lee's behind-the-back catch. Wow.

Yeah!  How about that second homer, on an O-2 pitch, hit with authority....now that's moxy!  That catch was awesome too...but so was Lee's entire performance!  Go Phillies!!!

Hopefully they will rally tonight and beat the Sillies!

Booo!  hisss!   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 29, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Frillies, according to the NY Post.

If Pedro wins game 2, fuhgedaboutit (sp?)  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on October 29, 2009, 01:59:18 PM
Frillies, according to the NY Post.

If Pedro wins game 2, fuhgedaboutit (sp?)  ;D
But the Yankees are Pedro's daddy.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on October 29, 2009, 07:08:10 PM
Frillies, according to the NY Post.

If Pedro wins game 2, fuhgedaboutit (sp?)  ;D
But the Yankees are Pedro's daddy.

According to Yahoo! Sports, Pedro is 11-11 lifetime against the Yankees with a 3.20 ERA while the Yankees are hitting  .211 against him.  Pedro's ERA at the old Yankee Stadium was 2.95.  Meanwhile, Cliff Lee's Postseason ERA is 0.54 (2 ER in 33 1/3 innings).

Good pitching always beats good hitting.   ;)

source for Pedro's stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4875/splits;_ylt=AvY4rav6bjON3GEtZ19ZB0.FCLcF?year=career&type=Pitching)
source for Cliff Lee's stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7026;_ylt=AiDyR4qk3GP5nUeD6eEl15iFCLcF)

Edited for clarification.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 29, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack being played at yesterday's opening...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 30, 2009, 12:29:56 PM
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack being played at yesterday's opening...
Ah, I missed that? I didn't get home from work until the second inning.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 30, 2009, 01:07:51 PM
It's probably on you tube somewhere, had me seeing old George in a black hoodie in the owners box...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on October 30, 2009, 02:24:17 PM
I really wish baseball would end already, it interrupts my nightly Simpsons watching.  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on October 30, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
I really wish baseball would end already, it interrupts my nightly Simpsons watching.  :P

Ditto.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on October 30, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
I really wish baseball would end already, it interrupts my nightly Simpsons watching.  :P
Actually, as much as I love baseball, I really wish they'd get back to having the World Series at the beginning of October. I think the playoffs are far too long; I'd prefer going back to simply giving the pennant to the team with the best record during the regular season, and going straight to the World Series. In my opinion, 162 games ought to be enough to determine the best team of the year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 30, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
MLB doesn't control the Playoffs and WS schedule, the TV media dictates that due to the $ they pay...

It's a outrage...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 31, 2009, 06:19:19 PM
Is the World Series going on right now? Really? I could care less. Well, at least the Yankees maintain some rich tradition. It's at least pretty cool to turn on the TV and watch a game being played at historic Yankee Stadium, where Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Joe Dimagio and others played. Oh wait, I forgot, yeah that's gone too now. Pro sports; how exciting.::)


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 31, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
My step father used to always say how much better college sports were, how it was "purer" and so forth. I always thought that was funny, as if college athletes didn't have dreams of money, beautiful guys/girls, fame, power, etc. Yeah, 20 year olds are really pure!  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 31, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
Though it occured to me after my last past that the purity of the participants does not necessarily effect the purity of the sport as a whole. Though I think there is some carry over. Anyway...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 31, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
My step father used to always say how much better college sports were, how it was "purer" and so forth. I always thought that was funny, as if college athletes didn't have dreams of money, beautiful guys/girls, fame, power, etc. Yeah, 20 year olds are really pure!  :P

Well now, let's not make a blanket condemnation of all 20 year olds.

As far as purity, nothing in this current world is pure (except maybe for some modern day Saints). But as I mentioned on another thread, there are degrees of purity. I'm not arguing that college sports are pure, only that they are less impure than pro sports.

But most of all, it's just the environment and culture of college football that makes it so exciting in my opinion. Every school, from the largest to the smallest, has its own unique tradtion. The bands, the college campuses, the tailgating, the uniforms, the rivalries, etc. make college football so much fun. Kids leaving their hearts on the field just to win one game over an arch rival. I could go on and on. But ultimately it is purely subjective when it comes to why we like certain teams and certain sports. I guess that's what makes sports in general so much fun. :)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on October 31, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
Quote
Well now, let's not make a blanket condemnation of all 20 year olds.

Good point, I shouldn't have made a generalization about that either.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on October 31, 2009, 11:36:51 PM
Pro athletes are mercenaries, and those in college want to get to the big show, and not for the love of the game...

Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 12:02:42 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 01, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
Until relatively recently, I wasn't even aware of what my University's athletic nickname was.  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 01, 2009, 12:21:52 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 01:01:12 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
I just found out that USC has not won a game in Oregon (in Eugene against Oregon or in Corvallis against Oregon State) the last four years.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 01, 2009, 01:24:16 AM
SC lost to the Ducks ? It's a outrage !

Who plays 1st for the Phillies ? Somebody better find him...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 01, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
I just found out that USC has not won a game in Oregon (in Eugene against Oregon or in Corvallis against Oregon State) the last four years.

That's an amazingly cool stat.

So tell me, who would the "O" rather beat- USC or Oregon State?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 01, 2009, 01:37:49 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 01:38:57 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
I just found out that USC has not won a game in Oregon (in Eugene against Oregon or in Corvallis against Oregon State) the last four years.

That's an amazingly cool stat.

So tell me, who would the "O" rather beat- USC or Oregon State?

Selam
Oregon State, definitely.  Nothing like beating our in-state rivals in what we call the Civil War.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 01:40:27 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
I root for both University of Oregon and Oregon State University, even though I never graduated from either, simply because they're the two major universities in my state of residence.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 01, 2009, 01:41:58 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
I just found out that USC has not won a game in Oregon (in Eugene against Oregon or in Corvallis against Oregon State) the last four years.

That's an amazingly cool stat.

So tell me, who would the "O" rather beat- USC or Oregon State?

Selam
Oregon State, definitely.  Nothing like beating our in-state rivals.

I guess USC to you guys is like Tennessee to us. UT is our biggest rival after Auburn.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 01, 2009, 01:43:12 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
I root for both University of Oregon and Oregon State University, even though I never graduated from either, simply because they're the two major universities in my state of residence.

Ah okay, do you follow your Alma Mater close too?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 01, 2009, 01:57:19 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?

In the South, football is a way of life. In states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia, one learns early to identify with a certain team. There is no sharing of allegiances so to speak. You are forced by culture to take sides.

I remember years ago when I was the youth pastor of a Baptist Church in a small town just outside of Birmingham, Alabama. Most of the young people at our Church were very poor and lived in some very difficult home environments. A lot of them lived in broken down trailors. But one thing I noticed: no matter how disfunctional and impoverished these people were, they always came together and united around the Alabama Crimson Tide. Often, the most expensive item they had in their home was an elaborate portrait of Bear Bryant that they deeply cherished. I even once saw a huge painting (this is no joke) of Bear Bryant walking on water!

In the South, each college football team represents certain cultural values and traditions. It is much more than a mere hobby or form of entertainment. People feel personally and culturally validated or defeated based upon their team's achievements.

Is this a good thing? Is this right? Certainly not. But I myself cannot pull myself away from it! It runs deeeeeep man, very deep.

Selam  
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 01, 2009, 02:08:49 AM
What a difference compared to up here.   :laugh:  You have an allegiance to your alma mater, if that.   :P

I wouldn't want to live in a household with divided allegiances.   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 02:39:17 AM
(10) Oregon 47, (5) USC 20

RB LaMichael James 24 carries for 184 yards rushing
QB Jeremiah Masoli 13 carries for 164 yards rushing and 19/31 passing for 221 yards
392 team yards rushing against a Trojan defense that allowed an average of not quite 80 per game previously

613 yards total offense
47 points - the most ever allowed by any USC team coached by Pete Carroll

Ducks unbeaten in the Pac-10 after 5 conference games

GO DUCKS!!!(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9z2XhvjgnV8EBM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aj1JDk-uB84/RfWPWwzZi-I/AAAAAAAAAFk/gnG8kGxw3qw/s400/University-of-Oregon-logo.jpg)

Yes bredren! Great win for Oregon. They always expose how overated USC is. But more than that, Oregon is good! You guys are building a solid program out there. Always a great crowd and a great environment. Oregon today reminds me of Washington in the days of Warren Moon. Congrats! :)

Selam
I just found out that USC has not won a game in Oregon (in Eugene against Oregon or in Corvallis against Oregon State) the last four years.

That's an amazingly cool stat.

So tell me, who would the "O" rather beat- USC or Oregon State?

Selam
Oregon State, definitely.  Nothing like beating our in-state rivals.

I guess USC to you guys is like Tennessee to us. UT is our biggest rival after Auburn.

Selam
Actually, the only reason we have any kind of football rivalry with USC right now is that the Trojans are always winning the Pac-10 championship.  The best teams know that to be the best, you have to beat the best.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 02:41:55 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
I root for both University of Oregon and Oregon State University, even though I never graduated from either, simply because they're the two major universities in my state of residence.

Ah okay, do you follow your Alma Mater close too?
Considering that George Fox University (NCAA Division III) doesn't play in the same enrollment division as Oregon and Oregon State (Division I), yes I do.  Defending Div. III national champions in women's basketball, and with a team of ten sophomores this coming winter!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 01, 2009, 02:48:51 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
I root for both University of Oregon and Oregon State University, even though I never graduated from either, simply because they're the two major universities in my state of residence.

Ah okay, do you follow your Alma Mater close too?
Considering that George Fox University (NCAA Division III) doesn't play in the same enrollment division as Oregon and Oregon State (Division I), yes I do.  Defending Div. III national champions in women's basketball, and with a team of ten sophomores this coming winter!

George Fox University! Cool! Never heard of it, but it sounds great. I'll go out a limb and guess that their mascot is the "Quakers?" :)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 01, 2009, 03:55:47 AM
I have a question for Americans who are big into college sports.  Are these your alma mater?  Or you just cheer for certain teams like in pro sports?
I root for both University of Oregon and Oregon State University, even though I never graduated from either, simply because they're the two major universities in my state of residence.

Ah okay, do you follow your Alma Mater close too?
Considering that George Fox University (NCAA Division III) doesn't play in the same enrollment division as Oregon and Oregon State (Division I), yes I do.  Defending Div. III national champions in women's basketball, and with a team of ten sophomores this coming winter!

George Fox University! Cool! Never heard of it, but it sounds great. I'll go out a limb and guess that their mascot is the "Quakers?" :)
Nah.  It's the Bruins.  However, I don't think you could get away with calling them the Fighting Bruins. ;D

They did have a live bear for a mascot at one time, though.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 01, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
So, today Brett Favre returns to [NFL Films Voice]the frozen tundra of Lambeau field[/Voice]. I think it's going to be an entertaining game, hopefully they carry it in my area.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 01, 2009, 07:06:52 PM
They have a "Favre cam," which tracks his every move during the game, so you can watch him (online) if you want.  ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 01, 2009, 10:10:52 PM
They have a "Favre cam," which tracks his every move during the game, so you can watch him (online) if you want.  ::)
Great idea! That camera will solve Favre's problem of not getting enough attention. ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: EkhristosAnesti on November 01, 2009, 10:23:00 PM
Well, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (my avatar and my second favorite fighter only after Fedor Emelianenko) lost a decision to Lyoto Machida tonight, though there are riots all over MMA forums claiming the fight was somehow fixed.  Shogun clearly won the fight 4 rounds to 1 IMO (or 49-46).  Shogun is the people's champ of the UFC LHW division.       
(http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00296/UFC25_296201gm-a.jpg)

continued:
the results of various MMA sites before the official decision:

Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker -- Rua (no score given)
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua


They should have both been deemed losers for boring the heck out of me. What I saw was not an MMA fight; it was a sissy quasi-kickboxing fight.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 01, 2009, 10:56:34 PM
In the South, each college football team represents certain cultural values and traditions.

They do?   ::)

It is much more than a mere hobby or form of entertainment. People feel personally and culturally validated or defeated based upon their team's achievements.

Maybe once upon a time when dirt roads connected the SEC Schools.   ;D  ;)  ;D

Is this a good thing? Is this right? Certainly not. But I myself cannot pull myself away from it! It runs deeeeeep man, very deep.

My affinity for the Terps in football are shallow, very shallow after Bobby Ross left.  I used to be a huge U. of Miami fan against Notre Dame and against Penn St (when Penn St. would regularly beat Maryland 70-7).  Never liked the Big 10; never liked the Pac-10; never cared for the Big 8/12 other than Nebraska under Tom Osborne and Colorado's good years.  Didn't care for anyone else in the former Big East except for Syracuse in the McNabb days.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 02, 2009, 01:14:12 AM
In the South, each college football team represents certain cultural values and traditions.

They do?   ::)

It is much more than a mere hobby or form of entertainment. People feel personally and culturally validated or defeated based upon their team's achievements.

Maybe once upon a time when dirt roads connected the SEC Schools.   ;D  ;)  ;D

Is this a good thing? Is this right? Certainly not. But I myself cannot pull myself away from it! It runs deeeeeep man, very deep.

My affinity for the Terps in football are shallow, very shallow after Bobby Ross left.  I used to be a huge U. of Miami fan against Notre Dame and against Penn St (when Penn St. would regularly beat Maryland 70-7).  Never liked the Big 10; never liked the Pac-10; never cared for the Big 8/12 other than Nebraska under Tom Osborne and Colorado's good years.  Didn't care for anyone else in the former Big East except for Syracuse in the McNabb days.
You just don't care about anyone, do you?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 02, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
So, today Brett Favre returns to [NFL Films Voice]the frozen tundra of Lambeau field[/Voice]. I think it's going to be an entertaining game, hopefully they carry it in my area.

Entertaining indeed, to the tune of 4TDs.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 02, 2009, 12:51:10 PM
Favre and Vikings are 7-1 at the halfway point of the season.  Let's see if he doesn't go 1-7 to end the season at 8-8 like he did with the '08 Jets; although, he didn't have Adrian Peterson at the Jets.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 02, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Favre and Vikings are 7-1 at the halfway point of the season.  Let's see if he doesn't go 1-7 to end the season at 8-8 like he did with the '08 Jets; although, he didn't have Adrian Peterson at the Jets.

I think it would be impossible for Y.A. Tittle's corpse to go 1-7 with A.P. at running back.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 03, 2009, 01:44:52 AM
Favre and Vikings are 7-1 at the halfway point of the season.  Let's see if he doesn't go 1-7 to end the season at 8-8 like he did with the '08 Jets; although, he didn't have Adrian Peterson at the Jets.

I think it would be impossible for Y.A. Tittle's corpse to go 1-7 with A.P. at running back.

I doubt if 1% of the members here would know who he was or played for...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 03, 2009, 01:49:08 AM
Tittle... that was one of the teachers on Saved By the Bell, right? Mr. Tittle?  Wait, that was Tuttle. Nevermind. Don't know him. :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 03, 2009, 02:49:19 AM
I think it would be impossible for Y.A. Tittle's corpse to go 1-7 with A.P. at running back.

I doubt if 1% of the members here would know who he was or played for...

I knew he played for the Giants; I had forgotten he played for the 49'ers and the first iteration of the Baltimore Colts.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 03, 2009, 04:50:51 AM
I think it would be impossible for Y.A. Tittle's corpse to go 1-7 with A.P. at running back.

I doubt if 1% of the members here would know who he was or played for...

I knew he played for the Giants; I had forgotten he played for the 49'ers and the first iteration of the Baltimore Colts.

Y.A. Tittle: Innovator of the "jump pass!"

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 03, 2009, 08:10:03 AM
Favre and Vikings are 7-1 at the halfway point of the season.  Let's see if he doesn't go 1-7 to end the season at 8-8 like he did with the '08 Jets; although, he didn't have Adrian Peterson at the Jets.

I think it would be impossible for Y.A. Tittle's corpse to go 1-7 with A.P. at running back.

I doubt if 1% of the members here would know who he was or played for...

Ahh, true; but I was hoping my post would be a rallying cry for the 1% to become more active here.  In fairness, I was putting out a bit of a test, because Mr. Tittle isn't actually dead, and I was hoping a few people would catch on, but no matter.  Whether alive or dead, I think anyone could win 2 out of 8 with Mr. Peterson lining up behind/next to/near them.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 03, 2009, 11:06:07 AM
EA

Fair enough.  Rua is actually known for his aggression, particularly for his Muay Thai clinch, stomps, and soccer kicks (stomps and soccer kicks are prohibited by the NSAC; therefore not allowed in the UFC).  Here is a short video of Rua using such techniques in PrideFC (which allowed stomps and soccer kicks):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI3Ic7IDofw
My friend ordered the PPV, and one person in attendance didn't know much about either fighter and actually fell asleep during the fight. As for me, I was on the edge of my seat (not to mention four of the other five in attendance).  Machida is known for his "elusiveness" and his counter-striking; Rua, known for his "wild and aggressive striking" stayed patient and was able to counter most of Machida's counter-strikes.  One must remember that up until this fight, Machida had never lost a round in 15 professional MMA fights; while in this fight the judges gave Rua two rounds (though the majority of MMA analysts gave Rua four rounds).  To me (and perhaps there is some bias due to Rua being my second favorite fighter) the fight was very exciting. 
 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 03, 2009, 07:46:10 PM
Florida Gator linebacker Brandon Spikes suspended by his coach for the ENTIRE FIRST HALF of the next game against Vanderbilt for trying to gouge out the eyes of a University of Georgia player. Way to take tough stand Urban Meyer! ::) Watch what he did here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISxU8Crulw

I wonder what would have happened to a player who did the same thing to St. Tebow?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 03, 2009, 07:53:45 PM
I gotta admit, I had to chuckle with an eye gouging post right after a UFC post, because whenever I think of an eye gouge, I think of how the initial UFC events were advertised as no holds barred and no rules events, when in fact they did have rules like no eye gouging.

EDIT--Also, I agree, if something like that had happened to one of the marquee names, the penalty would have been much worse.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: EkhristosAnesti on November 03, 2009, 08:51:37 PM
You're right about Machida; very elusive...so elusive in fact that I forgot he was even in the cage at times. I guess that's what happens when fighters like him get their black belts after an intensive 1-3 years of training. When a student crams in a whole semester's worth of study the week before the final exam, it may get them the pass they’re after, but nothing of what they learnt during that cram-period is going to be able to register in the long-term. Likewise with Machida, it's clear that in all probability half the moves he learnt in the course of his training did not have the opportunity to properly settle in his subconscious; his ability to get a good handle of such moves so quickly may have allowed him a smooth pass to the next belt, but from that point on those moves would have become completely redundant for future use.

Given that my own Martial Arts forte and personal favourite is BJJ, I guess I am most unimpressed by how most of the UFC fighters I've seen so far handle ground combat. I can't remember the particular fighter's name, but I recall the commentators going on and on about how he's a purple belt in BJJ and that should he get his opponent down to the ground it might as well be all over for his opponent given how skilled a BJJ fighter he was. First of all, his take-downs were shocking—aimless shooting at the legs from a ridiculous distance. Second of all, all he did from whatever position he found himself in the course of grappling (closed guard, to side-control) was ground and pound like a meathead. There are over 600 techniques in BJJ, and all this guy could do was maintain his position and ground and pound.

If we took away the cage, the audience, the commentators, the belts etc., and just had two guys out on the street looking to destroy one another—and conversely protect themselves as best they can from being so destroyed—for whatever purpose they have in mind (this is an Orthodox forum, so let's go with "opposition to heresy" yeah?), all in the heat of the moment, then I might understand the blatant disregard for technique. But otherwise, I have yet to see a UFC fight that does justice to MMA (granted, I have only seen 4-5 such fights).

Quote
Here is a short video of Rua using such techniques in PrideFC (which allowed stomps and soccer kicks):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI3Ic7IDofw

Still not impressed. Stomps and soccer kicks don't require much skill; or at most they require such in terms of the ability to time these things properly, but otherwise they're just cheap shots as far as I'm concerned. For me, the most impressive moment of that entire clip was the high kick at 00:33—which didn’t even connect.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 03, 2009, 10:23:05 PM
EA

Happy to have this logical discussion concerning MMA (usually on MMA forums one will run into the biggest idiots).
Concerning Machida and his karate, from what I understand he has been practicing karate, bjj, and even sumo since he was a young child (his father is a karate sensai in Brazil).  He has both a black belt in bjj and "Machida" karate, a style created by his father.  Rua also owns a black belt in bjj, but both fighters consider themselves stand-up fighters.
Concerning Rua's stomps and soccer kicks, the were presented to show his aggressive style, not so much for there technique.  Whether these techniques are really "technical" or not doesn't really matter to me, I believe they should be legal in all MMA matches.
Now concerning the technique of these fighters, not all fighters follow the certain techniques to perfection (in fact some fighters, such as Emelianenko Fedor seem to pride themselves in not following the technique).  Furthermore, much of the techniques found in bjj (as well as judo) focus on creating leverage with the gi; and since the vast majority of mma organizations prohibit fighters from wearing the gi the orthodox technique often times must be adapted to no gi (thus the fights are less technical).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on November 03, 2009, 11:57:53 PM
^  I don't know how an Orthodox Christian could watch barbarous displays like these, yet alone enjoy them.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 03, 2009, 11:58:36 PM
^  I don't know how an Orthodox Christian could watch barbarous displays like these, yet alone enjoy them.

I have to agree.....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 04, 2009, 12:22:16 AM
^  I don't know how an Orthodox Christian could watch barbarous displays like these, yet alone enjoy them.

I have to agree.....


So do I.


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: EkhristosAnesti on November 04, 2009, 01:26:38 AM
I will answer for myself, but I do so as a practising Mixed Martial Artist.

In theory, and generally speaking, the Martial Arts do not aim at the destruction of the opponent, and are underpinned by philosophical assumptions conducive to the Christian spirit. For example, the Art of Hapkido (one of the Martial Arts i'm being trained in) is underpinned by what is known as the 'Principle of Water' which seeks to build patience and non-resistant adaptability. When water flows down a hill, for example, towards a rock, it doesn't seek to push past the rock by exerting extra force, rather it just flows around it (harmonious adaptability); should the rock be too large to allow the stream of water to pass around it, the water patiently waits until it reaches sufficient volume on the rock to overflow that rock. Such is the type of psychology that Hapkido techniques instil in the practitioner, and no doubt this can be spiritualised in a number of meaningful ways. More generally, most of the Martial Arts help develop a Christian character by inspiring humility, patience, perseverance, focus, discipline, and respect. Mixed Martial Arts, incorporating the techniques of a variety of Martial Arts, in a sense increases the intensity of the physical and psychological conditioning involved and hence reinforces the general virtues aroused by the individual Martial Art systems to a greater degree. The spiritual implications of MMA training are, as I have discovered by experience, many, and I have plenty more examples and issues that I could discuss in further detail, but I’ll leave it at that.

In terms of viewing MMA matches, I personally don't find it enjoyable when I see two fighters simply trying to destroy each other whilst using very little technique—which I think I made pretty clear in my previous post. MMA is not about brutal force. I enjoy watching fights with a trained eye able to pick up on good methodical and technical movements and maybe even learn a few such moves myself. When we fight at our MMA gym, we are constantly taught not to exert so much force in a punch or kick as if in an attempt to knock the opponent out, but only to employ kicks and punches strategically. The fight should end not because the opponent got knocked unconscious by a power blow to the head, but because he was strategically put into submission—a point at which he is able to tap out before incurring any real injury.

I don't doubt that some enjoy watching MMA just to watch their favourite fighter beat the heck out of the opponent; and I am aware that even in my own MMA centre, some of the guys I train with couldn't give a hoot about strategy or character development, but just want to be to able to kick some butt should they ever get into a street fight. In the end, "to the pure, all things are pure".
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 04, 2009, 01:35:34 AM
I will answer for myself, but I do so as a practising Mixed Martial Artist.

In theory, and generally speaking, the Martial Arts do not aim at the destruction of the opponent, and are underpinned by philosophical assumptions conducive to the Christian spirit. For example, the Art of Hapkido (one of the Martial Arts i'm being trained in) is underpinned by what is known as the 'Principle of Water' which seeks to build patience and non-resistant adaptability. When water flows down a hill, for example, towards a rock, it doesn't seek to push past the rock by exerting extra force, rather it just flows around it (harmonious adaptability); should the rock be too large to allow the stream of water to pass around it, the water patiently waits until it reaches sufficient volume on the rock to overflow that rock. Such is the type of psychology that Hapkido techniques instil in the practitioner, and no doubt this can be spiritualised in a number of meaningful ways. More generally, most of the Martial Arts help develop a Christian character by inspiring humility, patience, perseverance, focus, discipline, and respect. Mixed Martial Arts, incorporating the techniques of a variety of Martial Arts, in a sense increases the intensity of the physical and psychological conditioning involved and hence reinforces the general virtues aroused by the individual Martial Art systems to a greater degree. The spiritual implications of MMA training are, as I have discovered by experience, many, and I have plenty more examples and issues that I could discuss in further detail, but I’ll leave it at that.

In terms of viewing MMA matches, I personally don't find it enjoyable when I see two fighters simply trying to destroy each other whilst using very little technique—which I think I made pretty clear in my previous post. MMA is not about brutal force. I enjoy watching fights with a trained eye able to pick up on good methodical and technical movements and maybe even learn a few such moves myself. When we fight at our MMA gym, we are constantly taught not to exert so much force in a punch or kick as if in an attempt to knock the opponent out, but only to employ kicks and punches strategically. The fight should end not because the opponent got knocked unconscious by a power blow to the head, but because he was strategically put into submission—a point at which he is able to tap out before incurring any real injury.

I don't doubt that some enjoy watching MMA just to watch their favourite fighter beat the heck out of the opponent; and I am aware that even in my own MMA centre, some of the guys I train with couldn't give a hoot about strategy or character development, but just want to be to able to kick some butt should they ever get into a street fight. In the end, "to the pure, all things are pure".

Thanks for that explanation. I admit that my prejudice is based in ignorance (as is all prejudice). I love football and even enjoy boxing, and many people who don't understand those sports consider them brutal and barbaric. I am only guessing, but I bet more people have died from boxing than from MMA.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 04, 2009, 02:02:39 AM
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I am only guessing, but I bet more people have died from boxing than from MMA.

I don't trust the numbers you find through a google search of things like "boxing deaths," but whatever numbers you use, boxing deaths far outnumber the 1-2 MMA deaths that have happened since MMA really took off in the 90's.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 04, 2009, 02:57:40 AM
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I am only guessing, but I bet more people have died from boxing than from MMA.

I don't trust the numbers you find through a google search of things like "boxing deaths," but whatever numbers you use, boxing deaths far outnumber the 1-2 MMA deaths that have happened since MMA really took off in the 90's.

That's what I thought.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 04, 2009, 11:36:54 AM
MMA isn't a sport which is going to be enjoyed by the masses, and if you don't enjoy watching it that is of course fine.  However, to those who consider it barbaric, here is some food for thought: there are a considerable amount more neck injuries, concussions, fractured and broken bones, and deaths in American football each year than there are in MMA (this is including highschool, college, and professional football in comparison to MMA in both amateur and professional promotions).  As Dana White (president of the UFC) often states what is more dangerous than American football. For example, in the NFL you have some of the most atheltic grown men (averaging around 250 pounds or so each) running at full spead colliding with each other; I suppose American football isn't considered as "barbaric" due it surpassing baseball as American's pasttime and perhaps due to the pads and helmet.
I for the most part take the approach of EA.  I am not a fan of fighters just slugging it out, I am a fan of technique.  While watching the fights, I am studying the techniques and seeing how to apply these techniques to my own game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 04, 2009, 12:33:34 PM
MMA isn't a sport which is going to be enjoyed by the masses, and if you don't enjoy watching it that is of course fine.  However, to those who consider it barbaric, here is some food for thought

MMA will be considered barbaric compared to other forms of sport simply because it takes the underlying contest (the battle of wills for domination and victory) at its most basic level (actual fighting) rather than at a more metaphorical level (football, baseball, soccer, hockey, etc.).  Each sport which takes this contest of wills in a non-metaphorical way (boxing, MMA, wrestling, etc.) gets accused of being "barbaric" (ok, maybe not wrestling - real wrestling - since it is a sport of supreme control).

As for your analysis of MMA versus American Football, consider:
- MMA simply does not have the same numbers of participants or the sheer magnitude of potential benefits as does American Football.  There are thousands of championships to be given out each year on every level; the mass of people who play American Football is tremendous.
- MMA does not have the well-developed very large  but under-supervised lower-amateur class (specifically HS football), where injuries are compounded because of a lack of medical attention, and a lack of self-control (kids going back out to play with a serious concussion, coaches not stopping them).
- An honest evaluation would be apples-apples: professional league vs. professional league, per capita, weighted for contact time.
- Finally, I don't believe anyone has an accurate count on injuries sustained in non-professional MMA; the number of amateur leagues has grown, as have the very amateur "MMA for youtube" type stuff.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 04, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
Fr. George

Fair analysis.  I will state, in my opinion, that sanctioned MMA is stricter than American football when it comes to injuries.  For example, if Tebow got his concussion in an MMA bought, there is no way any sanctioned MMA organization would allow him to compete less than two weeks after his concussion (also, concerning that Florida Gator who eye gouged the Georgia Bulldog, he would likely lose his fighting liscense if he intentionally attempted that in an MMA fight).  I enjoy MMA, I enjoy American football.  If one has a problem watching MMA, quite simply don't watch.  ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 04, 2009, 01:16:28 PM
Fr. George

Fair analysis.  I will state, in my opinion, that sanctioned MMA is stricter than American football when it comes to injuries.  For example, if Tebow got his concussion in an MMA bought, there is no way any sanctioned MMA organization would allow him to compete less than two weeks after his concussion (also, concerning that Florida Gator who eye gouged the Georgia Bulldog, he would likely lose his fighting liscense if he intentionally attempted that in an MMA fight).  I enjoy MMA, I enjoy American football.  If one has a problem watching MMA, quite simply don't watch.  ;)

True.  I actually agree with TMQ (Gregg Easterbrook on ESPN Page 2) when he lobbies for the NFL to mandate the newer concussion-reducing helmets for a specific reason: yes, in the NFL the concussion rate is lowering a bit, but in the NFL you also have a multitude of medical professionals on the sideline and an ambulance waiting at the door; in High School and College, which look up to the NFL, you don't, and it is in those areas that concussions are far more rampant than they should be.  He cites in his most recent article (posted yesterday on ESPN.com) that a recent study by a Columbus, OH-based group found that there are thousands of cases of high schoolers returning to the field the same day after sustaining a Grade II or III concussion.  Outrageous.  If the NFL were to start using the double-sided mouthguards & the newer helmets, though, then these items would be adopted by more of these amateur programs that truly need them to keep children safe.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: EkhristosAnesti on November 04, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Each sport which takes this contest of wills in a non-metaphorical way (boxing, MMA, wrestling, etc.) gets accused of being "barbaric" (ok, maybe not wrestling - real wrestling - since it is a sport of supreme control).

I personally see MMA as a "sport of supreme control"--particularly when it comes to ground grappling. That's why I just don't think UFC does much justice to MMA. It doesn't seem to present MMA as such.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 04, 2009, 05:14:20 PM
Each sport which takes this contest of wills in a non-metaphorical way (boxing, MMA, wrestling, etc.) gets accused of being "barbaric" (ok, maybe not wrestling - real wrestling - since it is a sport of supreme control).

I personally see MMA as a "sport of supreme control"--particularly when it comes to ground grappling. That's why I just don't think UFC does much justice to MMA. It doesn't seem to present MMA as such. 

Ahhh.  Maybe that's the problem then - the most popular presentation of the genre is not the "best," is that correct?  If MMA is like wrestling in that it focuses on controlling the situation - rather than beating the opponent until his wheat and chaff separate - then I would concede that it is likely not barbaric (or, at least, as "not barbaric" as football, baseball, etc.).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Innocent on November 04, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
Each sport which takes this contest of wills in a non-metaphorical way (boxing, MMA, wrestling, etc.) gets accused of being "barbaric" (ok, maybe not wrestling - real wrestling - since it is a sport of supreme control).

I personally see MMA as a "sport of supreme control"--particularly when it comes to ground grappling. That's why I just don't think UFC does much justice to MMA. It doesn't seem to present MMA as such.

I don't see how you can say UFC does much justice to MMA. What MMA org is doing a better job?  MMA is a mixture of multiple kinds of styles so your are not going to just get the technical ground game BJJ matches. Also, a big difference from the early days of the sport is the no gi and the influence of wrestling. I love MMA and love to see both the stand up and the ground game! Your going to get bad matches but your also going to see some great ones!

I can see how "The Ultimate Fighter" is bringin down the quality of the sport. This last few seasons have been a joke and this season in absolutely the worst. It may have jumped the shark.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 04, 2009, 05:41:46 PM
 
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I personally see MMA as a "sport of supreme control"--particularly when it comes to ground grappling. That's why I just don't think UFC does much justice to MMA. It doesn't seem to present MMA as such.

EA,
The way in which the UFC markets itself now-a-days, I would agree with you (that the ground game is less important than striking).  With that said, I'm not sure this is entirely the UFC's fault.
When the Gracie's created the UFC in 1993, the point of the competition was to promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (aka Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu).  Royce Gracie, as I'm sure you're aware, was able to defeat much larger opponents, most having backgrounds in a striking art (kickboxing, karate, kung fu), by simply taking his oppenent to the ground and locking in various submissions.  It simply amazed many of those watching to see a skinny Brazilian fighter defeat his opponents, often times without throwing strikes, by chokes and joint manipulation.  Soon after, striking arts were considered somewhat obsolete.
However, some were able to find flaws with bjj (one being the Japanese catch-wrestler Kazushi Sakuraba, aka "the Gracie Hunter"; not to mention Emelianenko Fedor, whose background is Judo and Sambo, who simply destroyed Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, who at the time was considered the heavyweight with the most talent in bjj, while siting in his guard), and striking arts once more made their presence in MMA.  Overall, I feel that the fighters of today are the most well-rounded fighters to ever compete in MMA.  
Although I love bjj, in some respects it just isn't practicle in a real street fight.  Pulling guard, or attempting arm bars in the streets could potentially lead to the bjj player getting seriously hurt (take for example the fight between Quinton Jackson vs. Ricardo Arona, and what happened to Arona when he attempted a triangle choke; in a street fight Arona would have seriously been injured): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKpzKZOpe4
Although MMA isn’t a street fight, its roots do come from street fighting.  I’m of the opinion (as is my coach, a former marine and a black belt in bjj under Leo Dalla) that techniques used in MMA should be based in real world (for example, one of my coach’s pet peeves is when two fighters are standing and one of them jumps into guard.  I’ve seen such a technique taught in many MMA gyms, and if one attempted this in a real life situation he/she could seriously be injured due to a slam).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 05, 2009, 12:51:50 AM
Yankees won. Boo! Hiss!  :P ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on November 05, 2009, 01:22:18 AM
Woohoo! #27 Baby! Yeah! Way to make things happen! Way to get it done!

(http://www.gambling911.com/files/publisher/New-York-Yankees-040609L_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 05, 2009, 01:39:29 AM
I will not bow to the evil empire...

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 05, 2009, 02:06:51 AM
Even the Montreal Canadiens have taken decades long breaks from winning titles.

The Yankees will spend another half a billion on free agents and attempt at going 162-0.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on November 05, 2009, 06:28:16 AM
It's so hard to get to the championship, no matter what you spend. Surviving three short series against the best is treacherous.

I'll be at the parade tomorrow!

(http://dunningrb.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/yankees.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 05, 2009, 08:59:39 AM
What the Yankees have done (purchase a championship) others have done (ahem, Boston).  I don't like it, but then again I don't have to.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 05, 2009, 04:08:19 PM
Here are some figures, gee, where are the Red Sox ? Wonder who spends the most every year...



New York Yankees Salaries - 2009
Player   Salary (US$)
1. Alex Rodriguez   33,000,000
2. Derek Jeter   21,600,000
3. Mark Teixeira   20,625,000
4. A.J. Burnett   16,500,000
5. CC Sabathia   15,285,714
6. Mariano Rivera   15,000,000
7. Jorge Posada   13,100,000
8 a. Johnny Damon   13,000,000
8 b. Hideki Matsui   13,000,000
10. Robinson Cano   6,000,000
11. Andy Pettitte   5,500,000
12. Nick Swisher   5,400,000
13. Damaso Marte   3,750,000
14. Jose Molina   2,125,000
15. Jerry Hairston Jr.   2,000,000
16. Melky Cabrera   1,400,000
17. Joba Chamberlain   432,575
18. Brett Gardner   414,000
19. Phil Hughes   407,650
20. David Robertson   406,825
21. Alfredo Aceves   406,750
22. Phil Coke   403,300
23. Francisco Cervelli   400,000
Total Team Salary:    208,097,414



Team   Payroll (US$)
1. NY Yankees    208,097,414
2. NY Mets    145,367,987
3. Chicago Cubs    134,058,500
4. Boston    122,435,399
5. Detroit    119,160,145
6. LA Angels    118,964,000
7. Seattle    112,053,666
8. Philadelphia    111,209,046
9. Houston    102,996,414
10. Chicago Sox    100,598,500
11. LA Dodgers    100,008,592
12. Atlanta    94,313,666
13. St. Louis    87,703,409
14. San Francisco    82,616,450
15. Kansas City    81,384,553
16. Milwaukee    80,182,502
17. Cincinnati    73,558,500
18. Arizona    73,516,666
19. Texas    73,439,238
20. Toronto    72,563,200
21. Colorado    72,428,000
22. Tampa Bay    68,230,934
23. Minnesota    67,634,766
24. Cleveland    66,757,366
25. Washington    62,001,000
26. Baltimore    61,885,566
27. Oakland    56,089,250
28. San Diego    37,800,800
29. Florida    35,774,000
30. Pittsburgh    25,197,000
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on November 05, 2009, 04:27:14 PM
I dare you to tell Padres or Marlins fans how "poor" your Red Sox are.

Say what you want about the Steinbrenners, instead of pocketing their baseball profits, they put it back in the team.

And the Big Four, the Old Guard, were all home-grown. Smart trades and an excellently run farm system have also helped.

A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 05, 2009, 04:49:52 PM
I would love to see a low budget team win the WS, or any other sporting championship, all these "sports entertainers" make too much money...

The average Joe can't afford to take the family to a game...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 05, 2009, 06:16:23 PM
Here are some figures, gee, where are the Red Sox ? Wonder who spends the most every year...

How about the two recent world championship years?  How 'bout them?
(Oh, btw: they're still in the "spending a ton of money" category, even if they're "only" #4.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 05, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
It's fascinating that #1 (NY) is spending between 8 and 9 times as much as #30 (Pit).  Wow.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 05, 2009, 08:16:54 PM
A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Hmm...exactly the same fate as the Twins, who spent half as much. The idea of "buying a championship" just doesn't fly with me. In baseball, spending more money just doesn't necessarily translate into better results.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 05, 2009, 08:48:42 PM
A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Hmm...exactly the same fate as the Twins, who spent half as much. The idea of "buying a championship" just doesn't fly with me. In baseball, spending more money just doesn't necessarily translate into better results.
Yes, and I notice that one of the teams in the 2008 World Series is ranked #22 on the team payroll list, yet they finished better in their division than both division mates, the #1 Yankees and the #4 Red Sox, and beat the Red Sox in the ALCS.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 06, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Hmm...exactly the same fate as the Twins, who spent half as much. The idea of "buying a championship" just doesn't fly with me. In baseball, spending more money just doesn't necessarily translate into better results.
Yes, and I notice that one of the teams in the 2008 World Series is ranked #22 on the team payroll list, yet they finished better in their division than both division mates, the #1 Yankees and the #4 Red Sox, and beat the Red Sox in the ALCS.

The other 29 teams (including the Rays) didn't spend $424.5 Million to lock up Sabathia, Teixiera and Burnett to long term contracts.  The Steinbrenners have another half billion (or more) to buy the best talent in baseball.

The NY Yankees are the Monopoly of MLB (itself a protected monopoly).  In the 1970's and 1980's, it was the Oriole Way.  In the 1990's and beyond, the Yankee Way rules except no one has the ability to spend $2.5 Billion on stadiums and players like the Yankees have done.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 06, 2009, 02:07:05 AM
Any predictions or thoughts on BAMA vs LSU this Saturday?

As a Tide fan, I'm worried about this game. LSU matches up well with us, and they have a lot of talent. We should be able to run the ball on them, and our defense should play great as always. I think it's gonna come down to special teams and turnovers. What worries me is that our kickoff coverage has been poor all year, and they have a great return man in Trindon Holliday. Could be the deciding facet of the game.

This game most likely determines the western division of the SEC. If we win, we're locked into the SEC Cahmpionship. If LSU wins, then they control their own destiny from here on out.

But I've got to stay positive and optimistic. Let's hope the Tide Rolls again! ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 06, 2009, 07:54:11 AM
A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Hmm...exactly the same fate as the Twins, who spent half as much. The idea of "buying a championship" just doesn't fly with me. In baseball, spending more money just doesn't necessarily translate into better results.
Yes, and I notice that one of the teams in the 2008 World Series is ranked #22 on the team payroll list, yet they finished better in their division than both division mates, the #1 Yankees and the #4 Red Sox, and beat the Red Sox in the ALCS.

The other 29 teams (including the Rays) didn't spend $424.5 Million to lock up Sabathia, Teixiera and Burnett to long term contracts.  The Steinbrenners have another half billion (or more) to buy the best talent in baseball.

The NY Yankees are the Monopoly of MLB (itself a protected monopoly).  In the 1970's and 1980's, it was the Oriole Way.  In the 1990's and beyond, the Yankee Way rules except no one has the ability to spend $2.5 Billion on stadiums and players like the Yankees have done.
And for all they spent, they didn't even make the playoffs last year. In fact, before this one, they hadn't been to a World Series since 2001, and then they were defeated by the Diamondbacks, a team that had only been in existence for four years. It seems the Yankees' strategy isn't terribly successful.

Perhaps your complaint has more to do with your team's lack of commitment to winning than in anything the Yankees are doing?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 06, 2009, 03:16:54 PM
A big payroll can produce a good team, but it can't produce a championship. What did Boston accomplish with their payroll? Oh, yes---three and out.
Hmm...exactly the same fate as the Twins, who spent half as much. The idea of "buying a championship" just doesn't fly with me. In baseball, spending more money just doesn't necessarily translate into better results.
Yes, and I notice that one of the teams in the 2008 World Series is ranked #22 on the team payroll list, yet they finished better in their division than both division mates, the #1 Yankees and the #4 Red Sox, and beat the Red Sox in the ALCS.

The other 29 teams (including the Rays) didn't spend $424.5 Million to lock up Sabathia, Teixiera and Burnett to long term contracts.  The Steinbrenners have another half billion (or more) to buy the best talent in baseball.

The NY Yankees are the Monopoly of MLB (itself a protected monopoly).  In the 1970's and 1980's, it was the Oriole Way.  In the 1990's and beyond, the Yankee Way rules except no one has the ability to spend $2.5 Billion on stadiums and players like the Yankees have done.
And for all they spent, they didn't even make the playoffs last year. In fact, before this one, they hadn't been to a World Series since 2001, and then they were defeated by the Diamondbacks, a team that had only been in existence for four years. It seems the Yankees' strategy isn't terribly successful.

Perhaps your complaint has more to do with your team's lack of commitment to winning than in anything the Yankees are doing?
Yup.  The Red Sox have won more World Series titles since 2000 than the Yankees.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 06, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
Perhaps your complaint has more to do with your team's lack of commitment to winning than in anything the Yankees are doing?

Besides the Orioles (26 years and counting), how about the other 15 teams who haven't been to a World Series since 2000 - there is no commitment to winning?

Sure, the Pirates are the Bidwells of MLB.  What about the other 15 teams who can't afford billions for Stadiums and the like?  MLB is not Champions League where spending Billions doesn't guarantee success (ask the Glazers and Manchester United).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 06, 2009, 07:47:23 PM
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Any predictions or thoughts on BAMA vs LSU this Saturday?

As a Tide fan, I'm worried about this game. LSU matches up well with us, and they have a lot of talent. We should be able to run the ball on them, and our defense should play great as always. I think it's gonna come down to special teams and turnovers. What worries me is that our kickoff coverage has been poor all year, and they have a great return man in Trindon Holliday. Could be the deciding facet of the game.

This game most likely determines the western division of the SEC. If we win, we're locked into the SEC Cahmpionship. If LSU wins, then they control their own destiny from here on out.

But I've got to stay positive and optimistic. Let's hope the Tide Rolls again!

Selam

My thoughts: the SEC officials won't be able to blow calls to allow SEC teams defeat non-SEC teams.  Though, the refs probably want Alabama to play Florida in the SEC championship game...so the ratio of penalties will be Alabama 1 for 5 yards to LSU's 15 for 115 yards.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 06, 2009, 07:51:31 PM
Tomorrow on CBS, Fedor Emelianenko will be fighting at 9:00/8:00 C.  For any interested in seeing one of, if not the best MMA fighter live in action, tune in.
(A highlight video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 07, 2009, 09:35:33 AM
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Any predictions or thoughts on BAMA vs LSU this Saturday?

As a Tide fan, I'm worried about this game. LSU matches up well with us, and they have a lot of talent. We should be able to run the ball on them, and our defense should play great as always. I think it's gonna come down to special teams and turnovers. What worries me is that our kickoff coverage has been poor all year, and they have a great return man in Trindon Holliday. Could be the deciding facet of the game.

This game most likely determines the western division of the SEC. If we win, we're locked into the SEC Cahmpionship. If LSU wins, then they control their own destiny from here on out.

But I've got to stay positive and optimistic. Let's hope the Tide Rolls again!

Selam

My thoughts: the SEC officials won't be able to blow calls to allow SEC teams defeat non-SEC teams.  Though, the refs probably want Alabama to play Florida in the SEC championship game...so the ratio of penalties will be Alabama 1 for 5 yards to LSU's 15 for 115 yards.
One call doesn't make the difference between winning and losing. "The referees made a mistake" is nothing more than a cop-out. A good player will not focus on the decisions of the officials but rather on what he can do better next time to help the team win.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 07, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
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One call doesn't make the difference between winning and losing. "The referees made a mistake" is nothing more than a cop-out. A good player will not focus on the decisions of the officials but rather on what he can do better next time to help the team win.

I'd agree with this statement for the most part.  However, when calls are called or not called and certain teams tend to win over and over again due to this type of officianting one can't argue that "the referees made a mistake."  Tim Donaghy is a prime example of a ref helping certain teams win games.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 07, 2009, 11:17:49 AM
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One call doesn't make the difference between winning and losing. "The referees made a mistake" is nothing more than a cop-out. A good player will not focus on the decisions of the officials but rather on what he can do better next time to help the team win.

I'd agree with this statement for the most part.  However, when calls are called or not called and certain teams tend to win over and over again due to this type of officianting one can't argue that "the referees made a mistake."  Tim Donaghy is a prime example of a ref helping certain teams win games.
I take issue with the idea that certain teams win because of the officials. Can you cite some examples from Tim Donaghy's career that support your point?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 07, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
I can't give any personal accounts from Donaghy, because his book will now not be published.  However, since I am unemployeed, I spend parts of my day watching ESPN.  Last week there was a lot of discussion concerning Donaghy's book and how currupt NBA officials can be.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 07, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
I can't give any personal accounts from Donaghy, because his book will now not be published.  However, since I am unemployeed, I spend parts of my day watching ESPN.  Last week there was a lot of discussion concerning Donaghy's book and how currupt NBA officials can be.
I don't consider sports commentators to be valid sources. Regarding the topic of officials determining winners, I just don't see it. Can you make a case for this, citing examples?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 07, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
I can't prove the few cases listed below, but here are some which come to mind.  I should note that I don't believe these games/matches were fixed, but I do believe (whether consciously or unconsciously) the refs were helping one team/fighter win over another.

*Super Bowl XL
*MMA fight in Britian.  UFC 75.  Michael Bisping (British) vs. Matt Hamill (American).  From wikipedia:
On September 8, 2007 Bisping faced former Ultimate Fighter 3 rival Matt Hamill in London, England and won a controversial split decision after 3 rounds. Hamill pushed the pace and took Bisping down numerous times in the first two rounds, with Bisping hitting solid strikes and blocking numerous takedown attempts towards the end of the second and in the third round. One judge scored 29-28 for Bisping, another 30-27 for Hamill and the split decision of 29-28 for Bisping as the winner. The American crowd blamed the result on being in Bisping's home country, however the lone British judge voted for Hamill while both American judges scored for Bisping.
You can watch the fight at mma-core.com (just use the search engine)
*MMA fight.  UFC 104. Lyoto Machida (Champion) vs. Mauricio Rua (challenger).  From wikipedia:
At UFC 104 Rua lost a controversial unanimous decision to UFC light heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida. All three judges scored the bout 48-47 in favor of Machida in the fight. According to Judge Peoples, the judges favored Machida because he was considered to "land the more damaging strikes throughout the fight" and be the more 'effective aggressor".[21] UFC President Dana White criticized the judging and stated during the post-fight press conference that he was "ready to make the rematch as fast as we can". [22] The rematch will be held at an unannounced date. [23]
You can watch the fight at mma-core.com (just use the search engine).
Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 07, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Okay, I know that you're a fan of MMA, but it's not exactly a professional sport, at least not on the level of football, baseball, golf, or tennis. So I would expect that the referees would be less professional. What about Super Bowl XL do you feel was unfair? Please keep in mind that I didn't see it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 07, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
I see Penn State choked again when it came to a big game. *shakes head* I actually fell asleep during the game.  Watching Strikeforce now. Seems that a vocal minority of fans want a kickboxing match, not MMA.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 07, 2009, 11:47:28 PM
Okay, I know that you're a fan of MMA, but it's not exactly a professional sport, at least not on the level of football, baseball, golf, or tennis. So I would expect that the referees would be less professional. What about Super Bowl XL do you feel was unfair? Please keep in mind that I didn't see it.
I do remember watching the game (Super Bowl XL) and hearing the commentary on how the Steelers benefited from a number of controversial calls in their win over the Seahawks.
(much of the above recalled from my own memories of the game, but with some augmentation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL)

However, as disappointed as I was with the Seahawks' loss, being the Northwesterner I am, and with what I perceived to be poor officiating, the thought did not cross my mind that the officials were actually trying to help the Steelers win, which is what coptic orthodox boy is alleging.  I just thought the officiating was sub-par for such an important game.  To me, it's one thing to recognize obviously bad officiating--good officials sometimes make terribly bad judgment calls, just ask Don Denkinger--, but to draw the conclusion that the officials are actually trying to help a team win is a judgment of motive that requires extensive evidence to prove.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 07, 2009, 11:55:30 PM
Well, so go the Ducks. :(  One week after beating USC in impressive fashion, they lose at Stanford 42-51.  Give Stanford FB Owen Marecic, a graduate from our local Jesuit high school, credit, though.  His blocking was key to RB Toby Gerhart's 223 yards rushing on 38 carries.  Marecic even played the first quarter at middle linebacker in place of an injured first-stringer but was pulled shortly after playing out of position on a long Duck TD run.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 08, 2009, 12:11:16 AM
Fedor won with a strong right hand :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Innocent on November 08, 2009, 12:18:59 AM
Fedor won with a strong right hand :)

Great fight!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 08, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Okay, I know that you're a fan of MMA, but it's not exactly a professional sport, at least not on the level of football, baseball, golf, or tennis. So I would expect that the referees would be less professional. What about Super Bowl XL do you feel was unfair? Please keep in mind that I didn't see it.
I do remember watching the game (Super Bowl XL) and hearing the commentary on how the Steelers benefited from a number of controversial calls in their win over the Seahawks.
  • Offensive pass interference call that nullified a Seattle TD and forced them to settle for a FG.
  • Ben Roethlisberger's TD on a 1-yd QB sneak after video review was not conclusive to prove that he did NOT carry the football across the plane of the goal.
  • Seahawk QB Matt Hasselbeck getting flagged for a low block on a Steeler interception return, a call NFL officials admitted a few months later was wrong
(much of the above recalled from my own memories of the game, but with some augmentation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL)

However, as disappointed as I was with the Seahawks' loss, being the Northwesterner I am, and with what I perceived to be poor officiating, the thought did not cross my mind that the officials were actually trying to help the Steelers win, which is what coptic orthodox boy is alleging.  I just thought the officiating was sub-par for such an important game.  To me, it's one thing to recognize obviously bad officiating--good officials sometimes make terribly bad judgment calls, just ask Don Denkinger--, but to draw the conclusion that the officials are actually trying to help a team win is a judgment of motive that requires extensive evidence to prove.
Okay, those sound like bad calls, based upon my limited understanding of the rules of American football. My point is, though, that the officials' made a bad call alone does not lose a game. For instance, the low block call did not cause the Steelers to intercept the football. The interception would have occurred even with a good call, and was entirely Hasselback's doing. One hopes for good officiating, especially in a championship game, but mistakes do happen, especially in a game like American football, which contains a lot of action in a short amount of time.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 08, 2009, 12:26:13 AM
Okay, I know that you're a fan of MMA, but it's not exactly a professional sport, at least not on the level of football, baseball, golf, or tennis. So I would expect that the referees would be less professional. What about Super Bowl XL do you feel was unfair? Please keep in mind that I didn't see it.
I do remember watching the game (Super Bowl XL) and hearing the commentary on how the Steelers benefited from a number of controversial calls in their win over the Seahawks.
  • Offensive pass interference call that nullified a Seattle TD and forced them to settle for a FG.
  • Ben Roethlisberger's TD on a 1-yd QB sneak after video review was not conclusive to prove that he did NOT carry the football across the plane of the goal.
  • Seahawk QB Matt Hasselbeck getting flagged for a low block on a Steeler interception return, a call NFL officials admitted a few months later was wrong
(much of the above recalled from my own memories of the game, but with some augmentation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL)

However, as disappointed as I was with the Seahawks' loss, being the Northwesterner I am, and with what I perceived to be poor officiating, the thought did not cross my mind that the officials were actually trying to help the Steelers win, which is what coptic orthodox boy is alleging.  I just thought the officiating was sub-par for such an important game.  To me, it's one thing to recognize obviously bad officiating--good officials sometimes make terribly bad judgment calls, just ask Don Denkinger--, but to draw the conclusion that the officials are actually trying to help a team win is a judgment of motive that requires extensive evidence to prove.
Okay, those sound like bad calls, based upon my limited understanding of the rules of American football. My point is, though, that the officials' made a bad call alone does not lose a game. For instance, the low block call did not cause the Steelers to intercept the football. The interception would have occurred even with a good call, and was entirely Hasselback's doing.
The interception occurred even before the bad call, further confirming your assessment.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: GabrieltheCelt on November 08, 2009, 12:34:55 AM
Tomorrow on CBS, Fedor Emelianenko will be fighting at 9:00/8:00 C.  For any interested in seeing one of, if not the best MMA fighter live in action, tune in.
(A highlight video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY

 Fedor is one the meanest and baddest MMA fighters I've seen in quite a while.  And though it'll never happen, I'd love to see him and Mike Tyson go just one round.  The thing is though, you're only the baddest for a while; there's always someone hungrier than you.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 08, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Who did Cincinnati defeat to be #5 (soon to be #4) in the BCS Rankings?

How can you be #4 in the BCS and give up 45 points to UConn?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 08, 2009, 02:13:38 AM
Who did Cincinnati defeat to be #5 (soon to be #4) in the BCS Rankings?

How can you be #4 in the BCS and give up 45 points to UConn?   ???
1.  Cincinnati only gave up 45 today.
2.  The BCS standings that would take account of their win today haven't come out yet, so Cincinnati is not yet up to #4.  Your assumption that they will move up has therefore not come to fruition yet.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 08, 2009, 02:14:52 AM
Who did Cincinnati defeat to be #5 (soon to be #4) in the BCS Rankings?

How can you be #4 in the BCS and give up 45 points to UConn?   ???
1.  Cincinnati only gave up 45 today.
2.  The BCS standings that would take account of their win today haven't come out yet, so Cincinnati is not yet up to #4.  Your assumption that they will move up has therefore not come to fruition yet.
Shhh. You'll ruin his conception that the BCS standings are made up in a smoke-filled room. ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: lubeltri on November 08, 2009, 02:56:23 AM
Perhaps your complaint has more to do with your team's lack of commitment to winning than in anything the Yankees are doing?

Besides the Orioles (26 years and counting), how about the other 15 teams who haven't been to a World Series since 2000 - there is no commitment to winning?

Angelos has plenty of money to spend on the Orioles. He used to spend it---back in the 1990s. Baltimore used to get into bidding wars with the Yankees on free agents---I remember Angelos almost stealing David Cone from the Yanks back in 1995.

But now Angelos wants to keep his money and field a lousy team. Blame Angelos for that, not the Steinbrenners.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 08, 2009, 11:44:06 AM
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Fedor is one the meanest and baddest MMA fighters I've seen in quite a while.  And though it'll never happen, I'd love to see him and Mike Tyson go just one round.  The thing is though, you're only the baddest for a while; there's always someone hungrier than you.

Both fighters in their prime, Tyson would lose in a MMA fight; Emelianenko would lose in a boxing match (Fedor's striking can be considered very "wild", but in MMA very effective).  No doubt Fedor will one day lose but I think it will be due to age catching up with him and not a lack of heart.  If you listen to objective fans/analysts you can see the holes in Fedor's game (looping punches for example); and still Fedor's opponents cannot defeat him.
The most impressive thing for me is that Fedor doesn't cut weight.  He is a chubby fellow (though as strong as a bear) only standing 5'11 and weighing around 230 pounds.  Most light heavy weight fighters are around 6'1 and cut from 230 pounds to 205 pounds (take, for example, my avatar; Mauricio Rua is 6'1 and walks around at 228 pounds).  And even with his height and weight disadvantage, he is defeating heavyweight fighters who are around 6'3 and usually cut weight to make 265 pounds (no doubt Rogers came into that fight around 275-280 pounds).   
The card was good.  Still, I do miss PrideFC so very much lol.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 08, 2009, 01:45:55 PM

And for all they spent, they didn't even make the playoffs last year. In fact, before this one, they hadn't been to a World Series since 2001, and then they were defeated by the Diamondbacks, a team that had only been in existence for four years. It seems the Yankees' strategy isn't terribly successful.

If by "not successful" you mean "highest marketing revenue, highest average attendance and total attendance for years, best worldwide brand recognition amongst MLB teams, and more championships than second and third place (on the WS titles list) combined," then yes, their strategy isn't terribly successful.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 08, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
Yup.  The Red Sox have won more World Series titles since 2000 than the Yankees.

Largely because of their spending.  The teams that have the most money (NYY, Mets, Sox, Dodgers) go after the established talent and generally land it because they are able to pay more for it, which gives them  a competitive edge.  Are people really debating this?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 08, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
ROLL  JUUUUUULLLLIOOOOO  ROLL!!!


http://rollcrimsontide.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=34812
(Scroll down a little bit to see the highlight of Julio Jones racing 73 yards for the winning TD against LSU! Beautiful, simply beautiful!)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 08, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
Who did Cincinnati defeat to be #5 (soon to be #4) in the BCS Rankings?

How can you be #4 in the BCS and give up 45 points to UConn?   ???
1.  Cincinnati only gave up 45 today.
2.  The BCS standings that would take account of their win today haven't come out yet, so Cincinnati is not yet up to #4.  Your assumption that they will move up has therefore not come to fruition yet.
Shhh. You'll ruin his conception that the BCS standings are made up in a smoke-filled room. ;D

The same smoke-filled room which decided that the Cincy "Bearcats" and TCU "Horned Frogs" were the "outsiders" with a chance to play for the BCS Championship.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 08, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
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Shhh. You'll ruin his conception that the BCS standings are made up in a smoke-filled room.

I remember an episode of the X-Files where the cigarette smoking man and those like him were deciding such things. You don't wanna mess with those guys  :P

(http://www.planetdeusex.com/features/illumination/14/williambdavis.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 08, 2009, 11:30:45 PM
According to latest BCS Rankings, TCU is #4.

Hop Horned Frogs, Hop
  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 10, 2009, 12:35:01 AM
Worst mascot in the league? Perhaps. But we still won tonight!

(http://io2.steelers.com/MediaContent/2007/04/26/12/SteelersMascot_1_Front_75933.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 10, 2009, 06:46:43 PM
GMs pass on expanding instant replay (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4642344)

Because getting the call right isn't as important as saving 10 minutes in game time. Of course, batters are free to scratch themselves as much as they want, and re-wrap their batting gloves for the third time. And pitchers can take their time as well, we can't rush them. ::)

EDIT--Just a note, my reaction isn't so much to this particular story, but the general vibe I get from those in charge of baseball in general on this issue.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 10, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
I'm not sure that's the proper argument. How can we be sure we're going to get the call right if we use video replay? I've seen numerous video replays during baseball games, and from one angle it seems the runner is safe, and from another, that he's out. I just don't think video replay is the panacea everyone seems to think it is.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 10, 2009, 07:13:48 PM
Well, that may be true, and I admit that replay is not full proof. But I do know that in a sport like football we see the refs getting calls wrong on the field every week, and they have a fair chance of correcting it by using replay. I would rather have a game last 10 minutes longer, and have more of a chance of getting the call right, than to save 10 minutes while getting more calls wrong. I mean, we're talking about 2 hours and 30 minutes vs. 2 hours and 40 minutes, or something like that. If I've decided to sit down and watch a game (or DVR'd it), what do I care about that extra 10 minutes?

Then again, I live in an area where we get Pittsburgh Pirates games on TV, so it's not like replay is going to make much of a difference for our record anyway.  :D  :-X
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 10, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
Ok, someone clue me in, when did Poker become a sport? I know it's popular and all, but poker on ESPN in prime time?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 10, 2009, 11:58:23 PM
People watch it. It's all about the ratings.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 11, 2009, 01:09:41 AM
Ok, someone clue me in, when did Poker become a sport? I know it's popular and all, but poker on ESPN in prime time?

I'm with you! The whole world is watching soccer, and we have to turn on our major sports channels and see poker?!

It's the way of the world I guess. But we don't have to like it, and we don't have to accept it.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 11, 2009, 01:27:06 AM
Thankfully we get like lots of sports channels on my digital cable, so I'm rarely without something to watch. We get:

ESPN
ESPN 2
Versus
Fox Sports Pittsburgh
Big Ten Network
MLB Network
Fox Soccer Channel
ESPN News
ESPN U
NHL Network
NFL Network
NBA TV
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 11, 2009, 02:05:02 AM
I like watching HRTV and the other horse racing channel whose name escapes me - TVG?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 11, 2009, 10:44:19 AM
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But we don't have to like it, and we don't have to accept it.

I love it.  I honestly find the WSOP quite exciting, at times it is even more exciting than MMA or American football for me, since the show is edited and usually only has rounds where big pots are at stake.  Only problem was it started at 9:00 p.m., and a new episode of The Universe was playing on the History Channel; luckily the History Channel plays a lot of re-runs.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 11, 2009, 11:53:47 PM
Apparently there is a list in Forbes of how much the NHL Hockey teams are all worth. I can't believe that Toronto ($470M) is worth more than twice what my Penguins ($222M) are worth!   >:(  (Source (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09315/1012839-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml))
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Pravoslavbob on November 12, 2009, 12:35:51 AM
I can't believe that Toronto ($470M) is worth more than twice what my Penguins ($222M) are worth!   >:(  (Source (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09315/1012839-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml))

Most hockey-crazed nation on earth + 4th largest metropolitan area in North America + traditional fan base throughout much of Canada (which can be pretty irritating if you are not a Leaf fan) + lucrative television & merchandising deals etc.etc. = $470,000,000.00 team.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 12, 2009, 01:53:11 AM
I like to see the Yankees sign Left Fielder Jason Bey to a 8 Year, $160 Million deal so Johnny Damon can go have a beer somewhere else.  The Yankees can use a fourth starter; they can throw $100 Million at Lackey from the Angels for 5 years.  That is only $260 Million in free agent spending.

There are no other high profile free agents - Maybe the Yankees can buy the Orioles for $500 Million - there is a guaranteed 18 wins every season.   ::)  Peter Angelos would have over 200% return on his investment in 16 years which is enough to purchase Pimlico and Laurel Race Tracks in another US Bankruptcy Court and run them into the ground.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 12, 2009, 02:50:15 AM
I like to see the Yankees sign Left Fielder Jason Bey to a 8 Year, $160 Million deal so Johnny Damon can go have a beer somewhere else.  The Yankees can use a fourth starter; they can throw $100 Million at Lackey from the Angels for 5 years.  That is only $260 Million in free agent spending.

There are no other high profile free agents - Maybe the Yankees can buy the Orioles for $500 Million - there is a guaranteed 18 wins every season.   ::)  Peter Angelos would have over 200% return on his investment in 16 years which is enough to purchase Pimlico and Laurel Race Tracks in another US Bankruptcy Court and run them into the ground.   ::)
I see somebody wants to go cry in his beer. :'(
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 12, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
I like to see the Yankees sign Left Fielder Jason Bey to a 8 Year, $160 Million deal so Johnny Damon can go have a beer somewhere else.  The Yankees can use a fourth starter; they can throw $100 Million at Lackey from the Angels for 5 years.  That is only $260 Million in free agent spending.

There are no other high profile free agents - Maybe the Yankees can buy the Orioles for $500 Million - there is a guaranteed 18 wins every season.   ::)  Peter Angelos would have over 200% return on his investment in 16 years which is enough to purchase Pimlico and Laurel Race Tracks in another US Bankruptcy Court and run them into the ground.   ::)
I see somebody wants to go cry in his beer. :'(

No ... Not what you think  ;) ... Just following established and predictable patterns ... Why can't the Yankees buy the Orioles; after all, the Yankees were the Baltimore Orioles before 1905.  The second incarnation of the Orioles was a minor league team which the current incarnation has resembled for the last decade or so.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 12, 2009, 01:43:44 PM
I can't believe that Toronto ($470M) is worth more than twice what my Penguins ($222M) are worth!   >:(  (Source (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09315/1012839-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml))

Most hockey-crazed nation on earth + 4th largest metropolitan area in North America + traditional fan base throughout much of Canada (which can be pretty irritating if you are not a Leaf fan) + lucrative television & merchandising deals etc.etc. = $470,000,000.00 team.   ;)

Darn Canadians and their fancy teams! It's not enough that the Montreal Canadiens have won like a quarter of all Stanley Cups?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 12, 2009, 01:45:09 PM
How does this happen?...

Three Tennessee Volunteers players arrested, charged in robbery (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4647094&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Safety Janzen Jackson and receiver Nu'Keese Richardson, two of coach Lane Kiffin's most prized signees from his first recruiting class, were among three Tennessee football players arrested early Thursday morning in Knoxville on charges of attempted armed robbery.

The third player arrested was also a freshman, defensive back Mike Edwards. It was not immediately clear if the players have attorneys.

According to a Knoxville City Police report, the arrests stemmed from an attempted robbery outside a convenience store near campus. A powered pellet gun was recovered in the players' car after they were stopped by police near the Gibbs Hall dormitory on campus, where the Vols' freshman football players live.

At least one of the players arrested was wearing some type of Tennessee gear during the attempted robbery, according to police.

A fourth suspect, a woman alleged to have been driving a car with the three players as passengers, was also arrested.

"At this time we are currently evaluating the circumstances surrounding an incident involving Mike Edwards, Janzen Jackson and Nu'Keese Richardson," Tennessee athletic director Mike Hamilton said in a prepared statement. "Any decisions or comments regarding their status will not be made until the evaluations are complete."...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 12, 2009, 07:36:10 PM
How does this happen?...
Three Tennessee Volunteers players arrested, charged in robbery (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4647094&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Ummm... because it's Tennessee.


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 12, 2009, 07:42:39 PM
It just boggles my mind. I can't imagine having the advantages these young people have (going to a major university on scholarship, playing on a nationally known football team, etc.), and then throwing it away over something so petty. That's if it's true, of course.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 12, 2009, 07:45:31 PM
How does this happen?...
This sort of thing seems to happen too often with American football players. I don't know the causes, honestly, but the crime rate among athletes, both at the university and professional level, is alarming.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 12, 2009, 08:04:28 PM
It just boggles my mind. I can't imagine having the advantages these young people have (going to a major university on scholarship, playing on a nationally known football team, etc.), and then throwing it away over something so petty. That's if it's true, of course.

Unfortunately it is true.

I shouldn't make light of it. My prayers go out to these three kids. I hope that they are able to turn their lives around and become productive and positive people. Lord knows, I made many stupid decicions when I was that age.

Selam









Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 12, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
What allegedly happened in Knoxville can happen anywhere.

At least Tennessee's boosters are eco-friendly by purchasing Prius' instead of Hybrid Escalades.   ::)

I wonder if any of Pat Summitt's players strolls around Knoxville in a Hybrid Escalade?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 13, 2009, 01:38:18 AM
Well, Coach Kiffin sets a high standard by playing Lil' Wayne over the loud speakers during practice. As he puts it, it gives him "street cred" and helps his recruiting. I wonder if he might actually see this recent unfortunate event as another boost to his "street cred." Wow.::)

Either way, BAMA  will continue to kick UT's posterior with character and class. ;)

Selam

Watch the language. - Fr. George, GM
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 13, 2009, 02:07:30 AM
How does this happen?...
This sort of thing seems to happen too often with American football players. I don't know the causes, honestly, but the crime rate among athletes, both at the university and professional level, is alarming.
Maybe it has to do with elevated testosterone and diminished cerebral synapses.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 14, 2009, 03:40:35 PM
I saw bits of the MLS game last night, though I was switching between that and basketball (especially after the lighting issues). Apparently the other conference final is on Fox Soccer Channel tonight at 8pm. I'll probably DVR it and watch college football. I know there are quite a few soccer fans on the board, but any fans of MLS in particular?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 14, 2009, 07:27:28 PM
I saw bits of the MLS game last night, though I was switching between that and basketball (especially after the lighting issues). Apparently the other conference final is on Fox Soccer Channel tonight at 8pm. I'll probably DVR it and watch college football. I know there are quite a few soccer fans on the board, but any fans of MLS in particular?

Not too much of a MLS fan, but the semifinal game last night was very exciting. I do find it cool how much the Galaxy has improved since Donovan and Beckham have buried the hatchet and started playing so well together.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 15, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
Hey Peter:  I dig those black uniforms!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 15, 2009, 03:25:47 AM
Hey Peter:  I dig those black uniforms!


Selam
Black uniforms?  Is that what the Ducks wore today?  I was busy socializing at a friend's house, so I had no chance to watch their game against Arizona State.

I know the Oregon State Beavers wear black uniforms.  Could you be talking about them?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 15, 2009, 03:42:45 AM
Hey Peter:  I dig those black uniforms!


Selam
Black uniforms?  Is that what the Ducks wore today?  I was busy socializing at a friend's house, so I had no chance to watch their game against Arizona State.

I know the Oregon State Beavers wear black uniforms.  Could you be talking about them?

No man, your boys were sporting some cool black uniforms tonight! Very nice.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 03:59:28 PM
I saw bits of the MLS game last night, though I was switching between that and basketball (especially after the lighting issues). Apparently the other conference final is on Fox Soccer Channel tonight at 8pm. I'll probably DVR it and watch college football. I know there are quite a few soccer fans on the board, but any fans of MLS in particular?
Not really. The level of competition is much lower here than in other countries' top-level leagues. I'll probably watch the final, but that's about it.

No, to see great football, try England.
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Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 15, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Regarding soccer, I'm stuck with whatever they put on... though the I don't really recall that many MLS matches from the past season/year, so maybe I get to see some good games... I'm not really the best judge of that. I do have to say, though, that I'm getting frustrated with all these people falling down for no good reason. Whether it's soccer players taking dives, or Sidney Crosby flopping to the ice every game. Reminds me of an old console football game I used to play, in which a player would say "you're a powder puff!"
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
Regarding soccer, I'm stuck with whatever they put on...
Ah, yes, the Sports Gods declare that not much soccer shall be watched in the U.S. We have to make room for more shows like this:

Click here, then fast-forward to 14:47. Sorry, but I couldn't find a shorter clip (http://www.hulu.com/watch/107057/30-rock-the-problem-solvers)

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 15, 2009, 07:19:44 PM
Huh, I got the message "Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again"...?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Okay, try it now. I think I've fixed the link.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 15, 2009, 07:38:26 PM
I made it through about 2 minutes, lol, till the part about the guy saying the word about correctly. If not for the blonde, I wouldn't have even made it that far. I think I saw enough, though. 8)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 08:38:08 PM
^ Did you see the part at 14:47? It's about a show called "Sports Shouting." That was the point I was trying to make.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 15, 2009, 08:50:07 PM
Well :-[ To be honest, I don't remember for sure, but I know that I started watching before the 14:47 mark that you suggested, so I must have seen it.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 09:00:38 PM
Okay, I'll try again. There just seem to be a lot of sports analysis shows and not much actual sports programming, despite the absurdly high number of 24-hour sports channels. I can get over 50 on Dish (if I want to subscribe to them, which I don't). I'd prefer that the sports channels actually play sports programming (imagine that!).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 15, 2009, 09:17:24 PM
Well I certainly agree with that. I don't mind a recap show here or there, or some original programming like the "10 things..." show they have on NFL network, but on a lot of these channels I agree that there's rarely actual games. NHL Network never seems to have more than 3 games on any day, and usually it's just 2 (one live and one game from the previous night). NFL Network have all sorts of game rebroadcasts in preseason, but now that it's regular season you're lucky if you get a half dozen games a week, only one of which is live. I do have to admit, though, that if I check all the channels there's probably a sports event on one of them that I can watch at any particular time. But if they played sports a bit more, and a bit less poker and billiards and whatnot on channels like ESPN, I wouldn't complain!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 15, 2009, 09:27:54 PM
Yes, around here we get the Fox Sports Network, which tends to show the Cardinals and Blues games (depending on what season it is) three times, one live, one re-broadcast immediately following the game, and a second re-broadcast the next morning. The rest of the day is all sports analyses. If they'd add more sports from other parts of the world, they could show live games pretty much all day. I wouldn't mind some Indian cricket or Korean table tennis. Unfortunately, knowing sports enthusiasts, the ratings for such programs would be worse than re-runs of canceled Joss Wheadon series.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 16, 2009, 01:17:52 AM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 16, 2009, 06:48:48 PM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.
Then he's not a coach.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 16, 2009, 06:55:59 PM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.
Then he's not a coach.
OK, share that sentiment with Robert Kraft - let me know if you've been successful.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 16, 2009, 07:02:30 PM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.
Then he's not a coach.
OK, share that sentiment with Robert Kraft - let me know if you've been successful.   ;)
I will next time I'm in his neighbourhood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgA2xo0HYrE
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 16, 2009, 07:59:36 PM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.
Then he's not a coach.
OK, share that sentiment with Robert Kraft - let me know if you've been successful.   ;)
I will next time I'm in his neighbourhood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgA2xo0HYrE

Gee, I just happen to block YouTube from where I am.   ::)

Shifting Gears, Jimmie Johnson will win his fourth consecutive NASCAR Sprint Cup title on Sunday; a feat which Earnhardt (RIP), Petty and Gordon have never accomplished.  If #48 keeps winning Sprint Cups, Earnhardt and Petty will be eclipsed in 2013.   :o
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 16, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
Bill Belichick is not the same coach without the video cameras.

Maybe he's just reverting toward the old Bill that many of us knew (and loathed).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 16, 2009, 08:46:14 PM
Old Bill misses those veteran defensive players that were let go...so don't I

Them rookies don't have the...acorns to question him
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 16, 2009, 08:48:49 PM
Old Bill misses those veteran defensive players that were let go...so don't I

Old Bill (pre-cheater) didn't know what to do with offensive talent.  New Bill (Mr. Pats) didn't need to know.  Old Bill (once again) will have a harder time.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 16, 2009, 09:13:20 PM
Old Bill has done his penance and the Pats lost to the G-men...

Padre, let them Brownie days go...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 16, 2009, 09:31:15 PM
Old Bill has done his penance and the Pats lost to the G-men...

Padre, let them Brownie days go...

It's hard.  All we have in Cleveland is the past (9 consecutive Championship games in the 60's, for example).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 16, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
The Browns should hire a good coach, like Chuckie in the booth, good bloodlines...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 17, 2009, 12:52:54 AM
I would fire Mangini (a colossal bust himself) if I were the Browns' owner.  Brady Quinn has been colossal bust; how did this kid win at Notre Dame is beyond comprehension.  After 7 starts, Quinn's confidence and psyche are shot.

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 17, 2009, 05:03:29 AM
Nice! ::)  I see the Tennessee Titans' owner, Bud Adams, just got fined $250K for flipping off the Buffalo Bills and their fans during the Titans' 41-17 win over the Bills.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 17, 2009, 08:23:48 AM
I would fire Mangini (a colossal bust himself) if I were the Browns' owner.  Brady Quinn has been colossal bust; how did this kid win at Notre Dame is beyond comprehension.  After 7 starts, Quinn's confidence and psyche are shot.

I don't think Quinn is the answer, but I also put 99% of the blame on the coaches for awful (I can't emphasize that enough) play-calling on Offense.

A very good defensive year is being sqandered by a terrible offense, and the D has little to show for it, because they are on the field for so much of the game that eventually they make mistakes.  If they got the amount of rest that other good defenses get, we'd be referring to it as at least an above-average D.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 17, 2009, 08:25:15 AM
Nice! ::)  I see the Tennessee Titans' owner, Bud Adams, just got fined $250K for flipping off the Buffalo Bills and their fans during the Titans' 41-17 win over the Bills.

Doesn't he sweat that amount off getting out of bed in the morning?  I wish they'd have fines with more teeth: $2 million at least for these owner-types.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 17, 2009, 11:38:58 AM
If there is any consolation, the original Cleveland Browns won a Super Bowl solely on defense and free agents (e.g. Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson, et al.) who were at the right place at the right time.

Art Modell never owned a team in the Premier League.   :o
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 17, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
The Bengals have signed Larry Johnson...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 17, 2009, 04:04:55 PM
If there is any consolation, the original Cleveland Browns won a Super Bowl solely on defense and free agents (e.g. Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson, et al.) who were at the right place at the right time.

The Ravens are not the original Cleveland Browns, they are the original Baltimore Ravens.  They took what was Art's, and left behind what wasn't theirs to take: history, pride, etc.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: scamandrius on November 17, 2009, 05:59:29 PM
Zack Greinke won the AL Cy Young Award.  As a Royals fan, this is one of the few bright spots of yet another dismal year.  Congratulations Zack!  Please don't leave and become a Yankee.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 19, 2009, 07:21:58 PM
Cheaters don't win, and winners don't cheat.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 19, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
I just read an article that said the Pittsburgh Pirates expect to have a payroll of about 32 million next season. So basically our entire payroll is less than what the Yankees pay a single player  ::)

(http://theburghblues.mlblogs.com/assets_c/2009/06/3657931093_aaf96bc8a0-thumb-500x321-1284471.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 19, 2009, 09:04:01 PM
No Russia, Ukraine or Ireland...it's a outrage
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 19, 2009, 09:58:56 PM
Maybe someone needs to remind that Frenchman that it's soccer, not handball.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 19, 2009, 10:33:29 PM
Italy got through, who cares about the rest.  :laugh: 

I have to admit, England will be interesting to watch in the World Cup with Capello at the helm now.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 19, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
No Russia, Ukraine or Ireland...it's a outrage

Have to support Serbia....Greece are not in my good books at all!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 19, 2009, 10:47:11 PM
Have to support Serbia....Greece are not in my good books at all!

Serbia has no luck at big tournaments though.  They will end up in a "group of death" and choke. :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 20, 2009, 03:18:53 AM
Fans Fight Over Hockey Stick At Ducks Game 11/19/09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-68ToW1UFlw)

What a jerk. I agree with one of the comments on youtube: "Gotta love when a guy tries to steal memories of a lifetime from a child, for a few dollars on ebay."
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 20, 2009, 04:31:55 AM
Maybe someone needs to remind that Frenchman that it's soccer, not handball.

For real! Ireland got a raw deal. And I really like Henri, but he got away with robbery on that one. Begs the question: should soccer have instant replay? With only one ref on the pitch, I would argue that replay must be instituted- especially when so much was decided by such a clear violation of the rules that went unnoticed. I'm not Irish, but even I'm upset about that!

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 20, 2009, 11:46:07 AM
I really hope they don't bring in "replays" like in American football or hockey.  It destroys the flow of the game when they have to "check the play".  The ref can technically consult with a linesman, but he didn't.  This happens every once in and while, but that is just life.  This is coming from someone who cannot stand the French team too.  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 20, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
I really hope they don't bring in "replays" like in American football or hockey.  It destroys the flow of the game when they have to "check the play".  The ref can technically consult with a linesman, but he didn't.  This happens every once in and while, but that is just life.  This is coming from someone who cannot stand the French team too.  :P
Agreed. Soccer depends so much on not having pauses, on keeping up the pace for ninety minutes. I would hate to see the start-and-stop mode of play that plagues American football.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 21, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
Will it be Ohio State and Oregon in the Rose Bowl?  The Buckeyes did their part, now it's time for the Ducks to answer.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 21, 2009, 08:14:44 PM
Have to support Serbia....Greece are not in my good books at all!

Serbia has no luck at big tournaments though.  They will end up in a "group of death" and choke. :P

My Football Manager 2010 simulated the World Cup as being won by Serbia. You heard it here first!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 21, 2009, 08:16:56 PM
I really hope they don't bring in "replays" like in American football or hockey.  It destroys the flow of the game when they have to "check the play".  The ref can technically consult with a linesman, but he didn't.  This happens every once in and while, but that is just life.  This is coming from someone who cannot stand the French team too.  :P
Agreed. Soccer depends so much on not having pauses, on keeping up the pace for ninety minutes. I would hate to see the start-and-stop mode of play that plagues American football.

It could be set up where the Fourth official can call the play dead after watching a replay. Many refs at the top levels use headsets as it is.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on November 21, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Ducks overcome 10-point deficit to force OT.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 12:51:21 AM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Ducks overcome 10-point deficit to force OT.
Both teams score 7 in first OT; now to 2nd OT tied at 38.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 12:56:46 AM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Ducks overcome 10-point deficit to force OT.
Both teams score 7 in first OT; now to 2nd OT tied at 38.
Zona forced to settle for FG in top of 2nd OT.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 12:59:35 AM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Ducks overcome 10-point deficit to force OT.
Both teams score 7 in first OT; now to 2nd OT tied at 38.
Zona forced to settle for FG in top of 2nd OT.
Masoli 1-yd TD on QB keeper; Ducks win 44-41 in 2OT. ;D

Sorry, Jakub. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 01:08:16 AM
C'mon AZ, pluck them ducks !
Ducks overcome 10-point deficit to force OT.
Both teams score 7 in first OT; now to 2nd OT tied at 38.
Zona forced to settle for FG in top of 2nd OT.
Masoli 1-yd TD on QB sneak; Ducks win 44-41 in 2OT. ;D

Sorry, Jakub. :laugh:
Next up for the Ducks:  At home vs. Oregon State in the 113th annual Civil War.  Winner faces Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.

GO DUCKS!!!(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2d/OregonDucks.png/100px-OregonDucks.png)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 22, 2009, 01:16:41 AM
Maryland did not play like a 2-9 team today against Florida State.  The Terps showed some promise; plus, the ACC does not have the same officiating snafus which plague the SEC.   8)

Besides, if one has 4th and 26 like LSU, they better score a TD if there is 1 second left.   :-[
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 03:21:55 AM
Just saw news that as the Oregon Duck football team left the field after their win over Arizona, a Duck cheerleader got knocked out cold by a flying water bottle to the head. :(  May the Lord have mercy on her and grant her a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 22, 2009, 04:04:08 AM
LSU and Ole Miss played a classic game today. Les Miles is gonna catch some heat for not having his field goal unit ready to run on the field to kick the game winning field goal with 1 second left. The QB spiked the ball with when they only had one second left! Wow! Great win for the Rebels. Coach Miles: get ready to for the criticism. I had no dog in that hunt, but living in Mississippi I was pulling for Ole Miss today.

My CRIMSON TIDE needs to take care of business on Friday, and then it's gonna be the game of the century in the SEC Championship. But first things first: Gotta go down to the Cow College and win the most important game of the year. The Aubies will never let us hear the end of it if we let them pull the upset. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility. History proves that anything can happen in the "Iron Bowl." But Nick Saban isn't gonna let that happen. BAMA will be ready.

ROLL TIDE!!!


Selam
 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 22, 2009, 10:52:28 AM
(http://drjamesgalyon.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/boysskins.jpg)

The rivalry isn't what it was when Allen and Landry were coaching, but should be a fun game nontheless.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 22, 2009, 02:41:28 PM
Who thought the Browns would be putting on a high-flying offensive show today?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 22, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
So much for our offense.  Now the Lions look like the Saints instead of us.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 22, 2009, 04:54:44 PM
Who thought the Browns would be putting on a high-flying offensive show today?
Against the worst defense in the NFL, anything's possible. ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ms.hoorah on November 22, 2009, 09:39:29 PM
I just read an article that said the Pittsburgh Pirates expect to have a payroll of about 32 million next season. So basically our entire payroll is less than what the Yankees pay a single player  ::)

(http://theburghblues.mlblogs.com/assets_c/2009/06/3657931093_aaf96bc8a0-thumb-500x321-1284471.jpg)
Eh, Asteriktos!    Whas up wit dat sign? ;)  The Pirates just won an AMAZING  award with national recognition. 
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 They have lost 17 straight seasons making them The Most Losing Professional Sports Team in the history of American professional sports (or maybe the universe).  (Yinz gotta laugh bot dis to ease the pain.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ms.hoorah on November 22, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
Big Ben Roethlisberger’s additional concussion today was bad news.  He will have to pass a “baseline” neurological exam before practicing next week.  Here is the entire composition of that exam:

Pittsburgh Steeler's neurologist  to Ben:
    Question #1     Well, Ben Roethlisberger, what is your name?
    Question #2     Okay Ben, quarterback to the Pittsburgh Steelers, are you now or have you ever been a quarterback?
 ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 22, 2009, 10:17:41 PM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 22, 2009, 11:41:28 PM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 22, 2009, 11:42:55 PM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Fantastic. Glad to see Beckham hasn't dominated. I love games that are tied through most of it; you get to see the best efforts of all of the players as they struggle to snatch a lead.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 22, 2009, 11:49:16 PM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Fantastic. Glad to see Beckham hasn't dominated. I love games that are tied through most of it; you get to see the best efforts of all of the players as they struggle to snatch a lead.

Let's just hope it isn't decided by penalty kicks.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 22, 2009, 11:50:23 PM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Fantastic. Glad to see Beckham hasn't dominated. I love games that are tied through most of it; you get to see the best efforts of all of the players as they struggle to snatch a lead.

Let's just hope it isn't decided by penalty kicks.

Selam
Yeah, that always seems like a cheap victory. But I guess it beats playing for a couple more hours.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 23, 2009, 12:02:49 AM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Fantastic. Glad to see Beckham hasn't dominated. I love games that are tied through most of it; you get to see the best efforts of all of the players as they struggle to snatch a lead.

Let's just hope it isn't decided by penalty kicks.

Selam
Yeah, that always seems like a cheap victory. But I guess it beats playing for a couple more hours.

I think that at least Championship matches should be decided by the "Golden Goal."

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 23, 2009, 12:10:34 AM
Okay, so back to real football: Anyone watching the MLS final now?

Yep. Great game so far.

Selam
Fantastic. Glad to see Beckham hasn't dominated. I love games that are tied through most of it; you get to see the best efforts of all of the players as they struggle to snatch a lead.

Let's just hope it isn't decided by penalty kicks.

Selam
Yeah, that always seems like a cheap victory. But I guess it beats playing for a couple more hours.

I think that at least Championship matches should be decided by the "Golden Goal."

Selam
Perhaps after the full ninety, we could just play Golden Goal until one team gets one. In my opinion, that's a better way of deciding who's the better team. But then, I don't like the idea of playoffs at all; I'd much rather have an extensive round robin and declare the team with the best record the champion.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 23, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Well, it has gone to penalty kicks after all. Oh, well. Good game, all. Congratulations to Real Salt Lake and to Russell in particular. Kick of his life.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 23, 2009, 03:20:34 AM
Yeah. Wow. Donovan missed his PK. He's gotta be hurting. Tough way to lose. But the Galaxy is a cool story nonetheless. I had to admire the way Beckham and Donovan put aside their differences and came together to lead their team to the Championship. I'm still not 100% sold on the MLS, but I respect it a lot more than I used to. I think Beckham coming here did a lot for it. I wonder why Donovan doesn't try to play in Europe. I think he's good enough.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 23, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
I wonder why Donovan doesn't try to play in Europe. I think he's good enough.
And there's exactly the problem with MLS. It's always had a reputation for a lower level of competition than Europe, and so the best players go to Europe for more of a challenge. Until we can build up a world-class programme here, we're going to continue losing our best players. But in order to have a world-class league, we need a stronger fan base. One cannot pay world-class players when one cannot fill a 10,000-seat stadium.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 23, 2009, 09:46:00 PM
I wonder why Donovan doesn't try to play in Europe. I think he's good enough.
And there's exactly the problem with MLS. It's always had a reputation for a lower level of competition than Europe, and so the best players go to Europe for more of a challenge. Until we can build up a world-class programme here, we're going to continue losing our best players. But in order to have a world-class league, we need a stronger fan base. One cannot pay world-class players when one cannot fill a 10,000-seat stadium.

Yep. I get the impression that Donovan is committed to staying here in order to promote the growth of socer in the U.S. That's admirable. But I did notice that the Seattle stadium was not sold out for the MLS Championship game. That is sad. I think they need to bring ticket prices way down so that they can fill the stadiums. Then as the sport grows, they can raise the prices in time. But right now the primary MLS fan base is Hispanic, and I'm guessing that the ticket prices are not commensurate with that demographic.

Selam 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 23, 2009, 09:56:37 PM
I wonder why Donovan doesn't try to play in Europe. I think he's good enough.
And there's exactly the problem with MLS. It's always had a reputation for a lower level of competition than Europe, and so the best players go to Europe for more of a challenge. Until we can build up a world-class programme here, we're going to continue losing our best players. But in order to have a world-class league, we need a stronger fan base. One cannot pay world-class players when one cannot fill a 10,000-seat stadium.

Yep. I get the impression that Donovan is committed to staying here in order to promote the growth of socer in the U.S. That's admirable. But I did notice that the Seattle stadium was not sold out for the MLS Championship game. That is sad. I think they need to bring ticket prices way down so that they can fill the stadiums. Then as the sport grows, they can raise the prices in time. But right now the primary MLS fan base is Hispanic, and I'm guessing that the ticket prices are not commensurate with that demographic.

Selam 

Seattle has actually broken league records for high attendance.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on November 23, 2009, 09:59:04 PM
I wonder why Donovan doesn't try to play in Europe. I think he's good enough.
And there's exactly the problem with MLS. It's always had a reputation for a lower level of competition than Europe, and so the best players go to Europe for more of a challenge. Until we can build up a world-class programme here, we're going to continue losing our best players. But in order to have a world-class league, we need a stronger fan base. One cannot pay world-class players when one cannot fill a 10,000-seat stadium.

Yep. I get the impression that Donovan is committed to staying here in order to promote the growth of socer in the U.S. That's admirable. But I did notice that the Seattle stadium was not sold out for the MLS Championship game. That is sad. I think they need to bring ticket prices way down so that they can fill the stadiums. Then as the sport grows, they can raise the prices in time. But right now the primary MLS fan base is Hispanic, and I'm guessing that the ticket prices are not commensurate with that demographic.

Selam 
I don't know about that; I don't hear objections to MLS based on price. I can get tickets to a Wizards game for less than $10 each. No, the major objections I hear from serious football fans are that the level of competition is not up to par with other nations', and that the stadiums are shared with other sports (especially American football) and thus the pitches are not kept in the condition one would expect.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 23, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
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Seattle has actually broken league records for high attendance.

All I know is, I tuned in at maybe 11:30pm last night, in time to see the last few penalty kicks. And 10 minutes after the penalty kicks were over, when the players were celebrating on the field, they showed the seats and it seemed like 75% or more of the people had either left or were in the process of leaving.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 23, 2009, 10:17:50 PM
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Seattle has actually broken league records for high attendance.

All I know is, I tuned in at maybe 11:30pm last night, in time to see the last few penalty kicks. And 10 minutes after the penalty kicks were over, when the players were celebrating on the field, they showed the seats and it seemed like 75% or more of the people had either left or were in the process of leaving.

Well the game would have been over at that point. :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 23, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
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Seattle has actually broken league records for high attendance.

All I know is, I tuned in at maybe 11:30pm last night, in time to see the last few penalty kicks. And 10 minutes after the penalty kicks were over, when the players were celebrating on the field, they showed the seats and it seemed like 75% or more of the people had either left or were in the process of leaving.

Well the game would have been over at that point. :)

Well, when the game was over at the super bowl... people generally stayed. And when the game was over in Detroit at the stanley cup finals, even though the home team had lost... people generally stayed.  Do you see the pattern here? ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 29, 2009, 01:48:22 AM
Will the Cleveland Browns hire the entire Florida Gators coaching staff after they draft Tim Tebow with their first round pick as Randy Lerner tries not to burn out another young QB?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 29, 2009, 12:53:32 PM
Will the Cleveland Browns hire the entire Florida Gators coaching staff after they draft Tim Tebow with their first round pick as Randy Lerner tries not to burn out another young QB?   ???

I don't want Tebow - he'll be a flop in the NFL, IMO.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 29, 2009, 01:46:07 PM
Will the Cleveland Browns hire the entire Florida Gators coaching staff after they draft Tim Tebow with their first round pick as Randy Lerner tries not to burn out another young QB?   ???

I don't want Tebow - he'll be a flop in the NFL, IMO.

I was impressed by the running back from Stanford, Gerhart, as he bowled over a demoralized Notre Dame defense.  Perhaps Cleveland can take him with their first round pick unless Lerner is mesmerized by the Tebow hype.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 29, 2009, 02:37:41 PM
Hopefully Randy will hire a strong GM, and then will give over the personnel selection to someone who knows what they are doing.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 29, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
The Browns D has been on the field for 20 minutes already.  For most teams, the D doesn't hit the 20 minute mark until the middle or end of the 3rd quarter. I submit that we'd have a middle-of-the-pack defense if the offense didn't have so many 3-and-outs.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 29, 2009, 03:29:07 PM
I forget that Tampa Bay & St. Louis are also 1-9 and have an equal shot at Tebow as Cleveland.

Tebow (and his groupies) can make that short drive down I-4 from Gainesville to Tampa.  If Tebow bombs, at least the Glazers can send Tebow to Manchester United which could use another star.   :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 29, 2009, 05:32:12 PM
The Tim Tebow Sweepstakes standings:

St. Louis: 1-10
Cleveland: 1-9
Tampa Bay: 1-9
Detroit: 2-9 (although Matthew Stafford maintains confidence under new coach Jim Schwartz)

Note, no NFL team has light blue and orange as their team colors.  The Bears and Broncos come close with navy blue and orange.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 29, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
Grey Cup today! Go Riders Go!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 29, 2009, 05:52:45 PM
All the talk about Tebow made me curious as to what spots the better quarterbacks in the league were selected at in the draft...

Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 29, 2009, 05:57:37 PM
Grey Cup today! Go Riders Go!
(http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/catImages/cflmontreal08aq-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 29, 2009, 09:15:10 PM
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Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11

Asteriktos
I know you're a Steelers fan but is Big Ben really one of the elite QBs in the NFL at the moment?  Sure, two Super Bowl rings, but in the immortal words of Georges St. Pierre, "I am not impressed with your (Big Ben's) performance(s)."  In my opinion, the most overrated QB in the NFL at the moment.
Tebow will not be one of the early draft picks imo.
Fr. George, I feel your pain too.  In addition to the Browns the Redskins need a GM as well.  Thankfully for Redskins fans, Snyder has burnt so many bridges that the next head coach he hires will have more power at the negotiating tables and perhaps will be able to bring in a GM.  Redskins Nation is tired of Snyder and the majority want changes in the front office.  With that said, Hail to the Burgundy and Gold.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on November 29, 2009, 09:23:06 PM
The NY Jets did something unusual today; they WON!

I'm a happy girl!  ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 29, 2009, 09:27:22 PM
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Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11

Asteriktos
I know you're a Steelers fan but is Big Ben really one of the elite QBs in the NFL at the moment?  Sure, two Super Bowl rings, but in the immortal words of Georges St. Pierre, "I am not impressed with your (Big Ben's) performance(s)."  In my opinion, the most overrated QB in the NFL at the moment.

I think if I had to list the top 6 QB's in the league, sure, I'd list him. Admittedly, it'd be at #6. It's hard to tell exactly how good or bad he is, because the defense often carries the Steelers, and the Steelers have 3 adequate (if not great) receivers at their positions, in Holmes, Ward and Miller (and the rookie Wallace isn't bad for what little experience he has). And fwiw, I have no problems expressing displeasure with Pittsburgh athletes if I think they deserve it... for instance Sidney Crosby and his whining, not to mention his proclivity for falling down on the ice every other shift. I wouldn't call Ben an "elite" quarterback (a term I'd use only for Brady, Manning, and Brees), but I think he's solidified his spot among the good QB's in the league.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 29, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
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Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11

Asteriktos
I know you're a Steelers fan but is Big Ben really one of the elite QBs in the NFL at the moment?  Sure, two Super Bowl rings, but in the immortal words of Georges St. Pierre, "I am not impressed with your (Big Ben's) performance(s)."  In my opinion, the most overrated QB in the NFL at the moment.

I think if I had to list the top 6 QB's in the league, sure, I'd list him. Admittedly, it'd be at #6. It's hard to tell exactly how good or bad he is, because the defense often carries the Steelers, and the Steelers have 3 adequate (if not great) receivers at their positions, in Holmes, Ward and Miller (and the rookie Wallace isn't bad for what little experience he has). And fwiw, I have no problems expressing displeasure with Pittsburgh athletes if I think they deserve it... for instance Sidney Crosby and his whining, not to mention his proclivity for falling down on the ice every other shift. I wouldn't call Ben an "elite" quarterback (a term I'd use only for Brady, Manning, and Brees), but I think he's solidified his spot among the good QB's in the league.
IIRC, Big Ben, until this year, also thrived in an offense that committed itself to running the football and used his passes most often to support the run.  Such QBs will often have some success because of the larger passing lanes opened up by the opposing defenses' commitment to stopping the run.  That's quite different from those other offenses where the QB is the prime mover.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on November 29, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
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Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11

Asteriktos
I know you're a Steelers fan but is Big Ben really one of the elite QBs in the NFL at the moment?  Sure, two Super Bowl rings, but in the immortal words of Georges St. Pierre, "I am not impressed with your (Big Ben's) performance(s)."  In my opinion, the most overrated QB in the NFL at the moment.

I think if I had to list the top 6 QB's in the league, sure, I'd list him. Admittedly, it'd be at #6. It's hard to tell exactly how good or bad he is, because the defense often carries the Steelers, and the Steelers have 3 adequate (if not great) receivers at their positions, in Holmes, Ward and Miller (and the rookie Wallace isn't bad for what little experience he has). And fwiw, I have no problems expressing displeasure with Pittsburgh athletes if I think they deserve it... for instance Sidney Crosby and his whining, not to mention his proclivity for falling down on the ice every other shift. I wouldn't call Ben an "elite" quarterback (a term I'd use only for Brady, Manning, and Brees), but I think he's solidified his spot among the good QB's in the league.
IIRC, Big Ben, until this year, also thrived in an offense that committed itself to running the football and used his passes most often to support the run.  Such QBs will often have some success because of the larger passing lanes opened up by the opposing defenses' commitment to stopping the run.  That's quite different from those other offenses where the QB is the prime mover.

Well, I would agree with that. I would add though that the Steelers didn't run very well last year, and they still won the Super Bowl. Also, I'd still take Ben over the QB's I left off the list, such as Palmer, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Rivers, etc., but I admit that I am probably a bit biased. Anyway, I meant to post this during commercial, but my time is long since up! :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 29, 2009, 11:04:31 PM
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Tom Brady - Pick 199
Peyton Manning - Pick 1
Drew Brees - Pick 32
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Brett Favre - Pick 33
Big Ben - Pick 11

Asteriktos
I know you're a Steelers fan but is Big Ben really one of the elite QBs in the NFL at the moment?  Sure, two Super Bowl rings, but in the immortal words of Georges St. Pierre, "I am not impressed with your (Big Ben's) performance(s)."  In my opinion, the most overrated QB in the NFL at the moment.

I think if I had to list the top 6 QB's in the league, sure, I'd list him. Admittedly, it'd be at #6. It's hard to tell exactly how good or bad he is, because the defense often carries the Steelers, and the Steelers have 3 adequate (if not great) receivers at their positions, in Holmes, Ward and Miller (and the rookie Wallace isn't bad for what little experience he has). And fwiw, I have no problems expressing displeasure with Pittsburgh athletes if I think they deserve it... for instance Sidney Crosby and his whining, not to mention his proclivity for falling down on the ice every other shift. I wouldn't call Ben an "elite" quarterback (a term I'd use only for Brady, Manning, and Brees), but I think he's solidified his spot among the good QB's in the league.
IIRC, Big Ben, until this year, also thrived in an offense that committed itself to running the football and used his passes most often to support the run.  Such QBs will often have some success because of the larger passing lanes opened up by the opposing defenses' commitment to stopping the run.  That's quite different from those other offenses where the QB is the prime mover.

Well, I would agree with that. I would add though that the Steelers didn't run very well last year, and they still won the Super Bowl. Also, I'd still take Ben over the QB's I left off the list, such as Palmer, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Rivers, etc., but I admit that I am probably a bit biased. Anyway, I meant to post this during commercial, but my time is long since up! :)
I see you have one of the great all-time Oregon Duck QBs, Dennis Dixon, starting in Big Ben's stead tonight.  We would have had a real shot at the BCS national championship a couple of years ago if he hadn't blown out his ACL.  Oh well. :(  It's often said that you have to also have a bit of luck on your side to win a championship, and ours ran out in Tucson that year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 29, 2009, 11:07:19 PM
What a horrible ending to a Grey Cup game!!!!!!!!! GRRRRR!!!!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Entscheidungsproblem on November 29, 2009, 11:19:31 PM
What a horrible ending to a Grey Cup game!!!!!!!!! GRRRRR!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 29, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
What a horrible ending to a Grey Cup game!!!!!!!!! GRRRRR!!!!!
What?!  You don't like to see games decided by a buzzer-beating FG? ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 29, 2009, 11:27:04 PM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on November 30, 2009, 12:10:33 AM
Another boxing death:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7143796

Will state commisions ever come to realize that boxing gloves don't protect boxers' brains from brain damage but instead protect their hands. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on November 30, 2009, 12:58:33 AM
The Cow College gave us all we could handle, but the character and class of champions prevailed in the end. BAMA won the Iron Bowl with a historic late 4th quarter 79 yard touchdown drive that gave the TIDE a 26-21 victory over Auburn.

We didn't play a good game. Mark Ingram was completely shut down, and our defense was uncharacteristically asleep in the 1st quarter. But our team made plays when we had to; and although Ingram struggled, other playmakers stepped up and filled the void.

This is the first time in ALABAMA's storied history that a team has won twelve regular season games back to back. And this is only Nick Saban's 3rd year! Urban Meyer is soon gonna regret not taking the Notre Dame job! Saban is serving serious notice to the SEC.

Next week it's St. Tebow and the Gators. Our boys haven't forgotten the taste of defeat from last year's SEC Championship loss. St. Tebow is great, but he'd better be ready to walk on water if he's going to conquer the TIDE  this time!

But for now, all that matters is that we rolled over the cowpoke Aubies once again! That's good enough for me! ;)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/various-productions-football/Alabama/POST-AUBURN-Nick-Saban-57785

ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!   ROLL  TIDE  ROLL!!!  
   


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 30, 2009, 01:07:21 AM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
13 men on the field a technicality?  How many men are you allowed to have on the field in the CFL?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on November 30, 2009, 01:36:55 AM
Correction: Both Cleveland and Tampa Bay are 1-10 in the Tim Tebow Sweepstakes.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 30, 2009, 02:04:04 AM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
13 men on the field a technicality?  How many men are you allowed to have on the field in the CFL?

12. But the extra man did not touch the ball and in no way affected the play. Montreal missed the free kick. That's the bottom line. So technically, there was an "Illegal substitution - too many men on the field" violation. However, the extra man did not affect the play at all.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 30, 2009, 08:29:09 AM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
13 men on the field a technicality?  How many men are you allowed to have on the field in the CFL?

12. But the extra man did not touch the ball and in no way affected the play. Montreal missed the free kick. That's the bottom line. So technically, there was an "Illegal substitution - too many men on the field" violation. However, the extra man did not affect the play at all.

Whether it affected the play or not, I'm sure the CFL has the same rule as the NFL: can't end a game on a defensive penalty, no matter how minute.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 30, 2009, 11:18:10 AM
I have seen worse endings to a football game, like the video of the HS team that thought they had the game won when they blocked a FG but didn't realize that the ball was still live until the kicking team picked it up and ran it in for the game-winning TD as time expired.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on November 30, 2009, 12:51:45 PM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
13 men on the field a technicality?  How many men are you allowed to have on the field in the CFL?

12. But the extra man did not touch the ball and in no way affected the play. Montreal missed the free kick. That's the bottom line. So technically, there was an "Illegal substitution - too many men on the field" violation. However, the extra man did not affect the play at all.

Whether it affected the play or not, I'm sure the CFL has the same rule as the NFL: can't end a game on a defensive penalty, no matter how minute.

I suppose. Any team who blows a 17-point lead in the fourth quarter doesn't really deserve a championship anyhow.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on November 30, 2009, 03:48:24 PM
They missed the buzzer-beating field goal. They retook the field goal on a technicality.
13 men on the field a technicality?  How many men are you allowed to have on the field in the CFL?

12. But the extra man did not touch the ball and in no way affected the play. Montreal missed the free kick. That's the bottom line. So technically, there was an "Illegal substitution - too many men on the field" violation. However, the extra man did not affect the play at all.

Whether it affected the play or not, I'm sure the CFL has the same rule as the NFL: can't end a game on a defensive penalty, no matter how minute.

I suppose. Any team who blows a 17-point lead in the fourth quarter doesn't really deserve a championship anyhow.
Any team that has one too many players on the field because the extra is too slow to leave the field as the kicking team attempts a championship-game-winning FG probably doesn't deserve to win a championship, either.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on November 30, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Whether it affected the play or not, I'm sure the CFL has the same rule as the NFL: can't end a game on a defensive penalty, no matter how minute.

I suppose. Any team who blows a 17-point lead in the fourth quarter doesn't really deserve a championship anyhow.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 04, 2009, 01:59:00 AM
Oregon Ducks 37, Oregon State Beavers 33

Next up for the Ducks:  Ohio State Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl.

GO DUCKS!!!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 04, 2009, 02:13:17 AM
Oregon Ducks 37, Oregon State Beavers 33

Next up for the Ducks:  Ohio State Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl.

GO DUCKS!!!

CONGRATS! Great win. Pulling for you guys in the Rose Bowl.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 04, 2009, 02:25:54 AM
The USC Chapter of Ducks Unlimited  8) are going to have a meet and greet at the Rose Bowl before the game...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 04, 2009, 02:41:52 AM
The USC Chapter of Ducks Unlimited  8) are going to have a meet and greet at the Rose Bowl before the game...
Just so long as they don't pull out their shotguns. :-X
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 04, 2009, 07:34:56 AM
The USC Chapter of Ducks Unlimited  8) are going to have a meet and greet at the Rose Bowl before the game...
Just so long as they don't pull out their shotguns. :-X

They'll fit right in with the folks from Columbus if they do... ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 06, 2009, 01:16:14 AM
Ah, the dreams of TCU and Cincy were shattered on a Texas FG after Colt McCoy almost ran out the clock.

Right now, Alabama is clear favorite over Texas.  Perhaps College Football can wake up one day and use the Bowl Games as a National Playoff since, like March Madness, such a system is bound to generate more revenue if Playoff teams play rather than has beens in various Divisions.

Or, maybe the Big 12 and SEC merge and share their lousy officiating.  If you have 24 teams playing in a Conference divided into East and West, schools no longer have to schedule Division III teams to fill stadiums.

On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 06, 2009, 01:26:57 AM
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On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.

A few Browns' fans on this site.  Interesting.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 06, 2009, 01:28:53 AM
Was quite funny seeing Tebow crying at the end of the SEC Championship game.  Don't hate the guy, but too much love from the media drives me a bit crazy. 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 06, 2009, 01:39:54 AM
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On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.

A few Browns' fans on this site.  Interesting.

Well, especially when the "first edition" of the Cleveland Browns are playing in Baltimore.

The "second edition" (or continuation) deserves eventual success.  They don't need Tebow or McCoy; they need a good running back (Gerhart from Stanford), a good defensive lineman and a couple of offensive linemen to protect Quinn and restore his confidence.

I could be the GM of the Cleveland Browns with no football experience whatsoever.   ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 06, 2009, 01:44:24 AM
Was quite funny seeing Tebow crying at the end of the SEC Championship game.  Don't hate the guy, but too much love from the media drives me a bit crazy. 

Against Alabama, Tebow had John 16:33 on his eyepatch, except he didn't overcome Alabama and the girl who painted his jersey in body paint was a lot of tribulation.   ::)
Last week, he had Hebrews 12:1 given that a lot of witnesses saw the shellacking of Florida State.   ;)

(While I don't like making cheapshots at Sola Scriptura Protestants, with Tebow, I can't resist.   :angel:)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 06, 2009, 02:08:18 AM
I don't like U of Florida.  I'm glad they lost.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Cymbyz on December 06, 2009, 02:26:33 AM
Texas always gets up for opponents who wear red & white, even if they manage to pull it out by a single point on the last play of the game.  Tide, beware!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 06, 2009, 02:52:52 AM
On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.
Thanks for the compliment to one of our local heroes.  This kid, Ndamukong Suh, played his high school ball for Grant High School right here in Portland, Oregon.  He was honored as Oregon's defensive player of the year as a senior in 2004.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 06, 2009, 03:30:30 AM
On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.
Thanks for the compliment to one of our local heroes.  This kid, Ndamukong Suh, played his high school ball for Grant High School right here in Portland, Oregon.  He was honored as Oregon's defensive player of the year as a senior in 2004.

I was impressed with Suh even though Nebraska's offense isn't anywhere near the teams of the 1980's and first half of 1990's.  Suh is eligible for a whole bunch of national awards.  I'd vote for him for the Heisman if I could although C.J. Spiller stood out from the other candidates.

I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 06, 2009, 02:04:52 PM
The USC Chapter of Ducks Unlimited  8) are going to have a meet and greet at the Rose Bowl before the game...
Just so long as they don't pull out their shotguns. :-X

They'll fit right in with the folks from Columbus if they do... ;)

I like my duck with a cranberry & orange glaze...besides some red taters and steamed veggies, and finally a pint of dark ale
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jetavan on December 06, 2009, 02:35:15 PM
Alabama's win was foreshadowed by the female Alabama grad who won the (half-time?) football-throwing contest against that male undergrad Florida student.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 06, 2009, 03:23:25 PM
I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)

Do so at your own peril ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 06, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)

Do so at your own peril ;)
Is your defense starting to have nightmares yet about how they're going to stop Jeremiah Masoli, LaMichael James, and LaGarrette Blount?  If not, they should. ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 06, 2009, 09:40:01 PM
Well... you guys can imagine how proud I am today. My sons and I just got back from Birmingham, Alabama, where we watched the SEC Championship on TV with a friend of mine. WOW! I knew we had a good chance of beating Florida, but I don't think anyone expected us to dominate the way we did.

Did anyone notice that our players didn't drench Coach Saban with Gatorade? Rolando McClain stopped them from doing so. He told them they hadn't accomplished their goal yet. BAMA has high standards!

Greg McElroy played his best game of the year. He remains undefeated as a starter, going all the way back to high school. Totally outplayed Tebow, which is saying quite a lot.

I hope Mark Ingram wins the Heisman. His performance was head and shoulders above Tebow's and McCoy's. But don't expect them to give it to him. The media hates Alabama, and therefore Ingram won't get it. Hope I'm wrong though.

The entire state of Alabama is rejoicing today. Tim Tebow is one of the greatest college players of all time, and Florida is an excellent team. But it's Alabama's  day today. Tebow showed a lot of class after the game. He was very complimentary towards us, and I appreciated that.

As long as we don't get cocky, I think the Longhorns shouldn't be a problem. But we can't underestimate them. Colt McCoy is great, and Mack Brown is an outstanding coach. But I think the TIDE  will prevail.


I'm a happy man today! :)

ALABAMA CRIMSON TIDE  
- 2009 SEC CHAMPIONS! -

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/various-productions-football/Alabama/SEC-Champs-58039

ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 06, 2009, 09:59:52 PM
I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)

Do so at your own peril ;)
Is your defense starting to have nightmares yet about how they're going to stop Jeremiah Masoli, LaMichael James, and LaGarrette Blount?  If not, they should. ;D

Hardly.  Our D held USC without a touchdown for 99% of the game; the first one was a fluke (4 downs to get 7 yards), and the last one - well, the O had let us down in that (and most other) game.  Even you guys couldn't do that in your rout of the Trojans.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 06, 2009, 10:06:49 PM
I dunno why, but every time I see "roll tide" I think of surfers, like it's something they'd say. "Woh dude, did you catch that gnarly roll tide this morning? That was killer!"  ;)

As for Western Pennsylvanians, some are rolling as well this weekend... rolling over in their graves. What a horrible weekend... Steelers lose at the end of the game, Pitt loses at the end of the game, Penguins lose at the end of the game... I guess there is the consolation that it's not baseball season, so we don't have to hear about the Pirates setting some losing record of orther.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 06, 2009, 10:15:24 PM
As for Western Pennsylvanians, some are rolling as well this weekend... rolling over in their graves. What a horrible weekend... Steelers lose at the end of the game, Pitt loses at the end of the game, Penguins lose at the end of the game... I guess there is the consolation that it's not baseball season, so we don't have to hear about the Pirates setting some losing record of orther.

Yes - for one day in the year, the Pirates were not the embarrassment of the 'Burgh.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jetavan on December 06, 2009, 10:34:58 PM
This might be Alabama's year for a Heisman.                                                   
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 06, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
The Tim Tebow Sweepstakes has officially ended.

Now we have the C.J. Spiller, Mark Ingram, Suh and Gerhart Sweepstakes with 3 1-11 teams in the running.

Brady Quinn threw for 3 TDs and no INTs against a good SD team; hopefully, his confidence is returning.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 07, 2009, 12:09:49 AM
I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)

Do so at your own peril ;)
Is your defense starting to have nightmares yet about how they're going to stop Jeremiah Masoli, LaMichael James, and LaGarrette Blount?  If not, they should. ;D

Hardly.  Our D held USC without a touchdown for 99% of the game; the first one was a fluke (4 downs to get 7 yards), and the last one - well, the O had let us down in that (and most other) game.  Even you guys couldn't do that in your rout of the Trojans.
But then, when you score 47 against the Trojans, you really don't need to stop them on every drive.  The other thing to remember is that you still lost to the Trojans, despite this defensive effort you brag about.

You have to admit that it's pretty bad for the Big 10 when your conference champions lose to a team that finished 5-4 in the Pac 10.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 07, 2009, 12:13:58 AM
I dunno why, but every time I see "roll tide" I think of surfers, like it's something they'd say. "Woh dude, did you catch that gnarly roll tide this morning? That was killer!"  ;)

As for Western Pennsylvanians, some are rolling as well this weekend... rolling over in their graves. What a horrible weekend... Steelers lose at the end of the game, Pitt loses at the end of the game, Penguins lose at the end of the game... I guess there is the consolation that it's not baseball season, so we don't have to hear about the Pirates setting some losing record of orther.
At least they're not as bad as the Chicago Bulls...  Stand there and watch Jarrett Jack tie his shoes while the shot clock is running, and do nothing to even try to steal the ball from him...  Incredible! ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 07, 2009, 12:23:08 AM
You have to admit that it's pretty bad for the Big 10 when your conference champions lose to a team that finished 5-4 in the Pac 10.

Your Stanford loss isn't that impressive.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 07, 2009, 12:27:11 AM
You have to admit that it's pretty bad for the Big 10 when your conference champions lose to a team that finished 5-4 in the Pac 10.

Your Stanford loss isn't that impressive.
But then Stanford will at least be playing in a bowl game, which is more than you can say for the Purdue team that beat you.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 07, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
There are three college teams I can't stand:

1.  Duke Men's Basketball
2.  Ohio State / Notre Dame Football (tie)

So, I like to see anyone in the Pac-10 beat Ohio State and their sweater wearing coach, Jim Tressel.

On a different note, at least Kurt Warner knows how to be humble when giving glory to God unlike Tim Tebow.   :D

Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 07, 2009, 02:47:00 AM
You have to admit that it's pretty bad for the Big 10 when your conference champions lose to a team that finished 5-4 in the Pac 10.

Your Stanford loss isn't that impressive.
But then Stanford will at least be playing in a bowl game, which is more than you can say for the Purdue team that beat you.
Just for some perspective, the teams that beat Oregon compared to the teams that beat Ohio State:

(W-L records against all other opponents)

Teams That Beat Oregon:
Boise State: 12-0 and ranked No. 6
Stanford: 7-4 and ranked No. 21
TOTAL:  19-4

Teams That Beat Ohio State:
USC:  7-4 and ranked No. 24
Purdue: 4-7 and unranked
TOTAL: 11-11
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 07, 2009, 04:16:10 AM
There are three college teams I can't stand:

1.  Duke Men's Basketball
2.  Ohio State / Notre Dame Football (tie)

So, I like to see anyone in the Pac-10 beat Ohio State and their sweater wearing coach, Jim Tressel.

On a different note, at least Kurt Warner knows how to be humble when giving glory to God unlike Tim Tebow.   :D



I'm with you about the Duke thing. In fact, the whole Tebow and Urban Meyer love fest reminded me a lot of Coach "K" and his "special" kids.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 07, 2009, 05:20:49 PM
There are three college teams I can't stand:

1.  Duke Men's Basketball
2.  Ohio State / Notre Dame Football (tie)

So, I like to see anyone in the Pac-10 beat Ohio State and their sweater wearing coach, Jim Tressel.

On a different note, at least Kurt Warner knows how to be humble when giving glory to God unlike Tim Tebow.   :D

I'm with you about the Duke thing. In fact, the whole Tebow and Urban Meyer love fest reminded me a lot of Coach "K" and his "special" kids.

Duke Men's Basketball hasn't been so hot the last couple of years thanks to addition of new teams to the ACC.  I even like North Carolina basketball; however, Coach "K" has always irritated me to no end.

Just as Utah demolished Alabama last year  :angel:, I'll take Cincy over Florida and some NFL team (Miami or Tampa?) can turn Tebow into a Wildcat RB.

The Boise State / TCU game looks like a tough one.  Since the game is played in AZ, TCU is the favorite.

National Championship Game ... Roll Tide (you can do the colors and the marquis).   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 07, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
I'm not much of a Duke fan, but we've got a few parishioners who are Duke grads.  In the Tobacco Road rivalry, I'll take Sky (Carolina) blue any day.

As to Oregon - we'll see what happens come game time. (Most likely: Jim Tressel, who is a great human being, will call an awful offensive game, and will squander a great defensive effort.)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 11, 2009, 01:18:54 AM
Whodathunkit? ???  The Pittsburgh Steelers knocked out of playoff contention by the lowly Browns.  WOW! ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 11, 2009, 01:20:12 AM
Yeah. I think I somehow got trapped in the bizarro/mirror universe...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 11, 2009, 01:45:43 AM
Whodathunkit? ???  The Pittsburgh Steelers knocked out of playoff contention by the lowly Browns.  WOW! ::)

Brady Quinn gains more confidence by the week in hoping that Randy Lerner drafts someone else other than Tebow or McCoy.   :)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 11, 2009, 02:37:38 AM
Heisman predictions?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 11, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 11, 2009, 04:26:05 AM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.

I hope Ingram wins. But if a defensive player deserves it, then I think Rolando McClain is most deserving.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 11, 2009, 03:33:17 PM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.

I hope Ingram wins. But if a defensive player deserves it, then I think Rolando McClain is most deserving.

Ingram vs. C.J. Spiller - draw.

Did McClain have any breakout games like Suh did against Texas?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 11, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.

I hope Ingram wins. But if a defensive player deserves it, then I think Rolando McClain is most deserving.

Ingram vs. C.J. Spiller - draw.

Did McClain have any breakout games like Suh did against Texas?

Suh is a great player, but he has received a lot of attention because of one game against Texas. McClain has been consistently excellent all year, and he has dominated in the toughest conference in the nation- theSEC.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 11, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.

I hope Ingram wins. But if a defensive player deserves it, then I think Rolando McClain is most deserving.

Ingram vs. C.J. Spiller - draw.

Did McClain have any breakout games like Suh did against Texas?

Suh is a great player, but he has received a lot of attention because of one game against Texas.
You think that maybe the fact Nebraska had such a lousy offense may play into that?  Like McClain, Suh has been one of the nation's top defenders all year.  It's just that it took one of this year's superpowers to make a game that could bring attention to the Cornhuskers.

As it is, the five Heisman finalists have been selected:  Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, Toby Gerhart, Mark Ingram, and Ndamukong Suh.  Rolando McClain isn't on that list. 8)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
Neither is C.J. Spiller - oops.   :-[

Suh and the Nebraska defense kept them alive for the Big 12 Championship.  While Ingram performed well against Florida, Ingram hasn't had a consistent season which is what the Heisman folks are looking for.

Besides, QBs have won the last 3 Heismans.  Colt McCoy might as well play against Pop Warner teams (e.g. Big 12).  Time for a QB break.   :)

Leon Hart was the last End (he played both ways, offense and defense) to win the Heisman in 1949 (http://www.heisman.com/index.php/heismanWinners#winners-year).  No offensive / defensive tackle has ever won the Heisman.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: HandmaidenofGod on December 11, 2009, 09:13:16 PM
Whodathunkit? ???  The Pittsburgh Steelers knocked out of playoff contention by the lowly Browns.  WOW! ::)

I know! Amazing!
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 12, 2009, 01:18:23 AM
I thought I would be reading about a certain Padre dancing a jig regarding this Brownie victory...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 12, 2009, 04:18:53 AM
Heisman predictions?

Suh from Nebraska - A defensive player deserves the Heisman this year.

I hope Ingram wins. But if a defensive player deserves it, then I think Rolando McClain is most deserving.

Ingram vs. C.J. Spiller - draw.

Did McClain have any breakout games like Suh did against Texas?

Suh is a great player, but he has received a lot of attention because of one game against Texas.
You think that maybe the fact Nebraska had such a lousy offense may play into that?  Like McClain, Suh has been one of the nation's top defenders all year.  It's just that it took one of this year's superpowers to make a game that could bring attention to the Cornhuskers.

As it is, the five Heisman finalists have been selected:  Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy, Toby Gerhart, Mark Ingram, and Ndamukong Suh.  Rolando McClain isn't on that list. 8)

Yep. And remember a guy named Derek Thomas? He dind't even make the top ten finalists. Derek Thomas had 27 sacks in a single season. Suh had about 12 or 13 this year I think.

All 5 finalists are equally deserving in my opinion, so I won't be too upset if Ingram doesn't win. And I don't expect him to, because there has always been a media bias against Alabama. They can't stop us from winning on the field of play, so they stick it to us any other way they can.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 12, 2009, 04:22:56 AM
 While Ingram performed well against Florida, Ingram hasn't had a consistent season which is what the Heisman folks are looking for.


Not true at all. Ingram only had one sub par game, against Auburn, and that was because he was injured early in that game. Otherwise, he has been very consistent all season. Also, in the biggest game of the year against the number 1 ranked defense in the country, he had over 160 total yards of offense and 3 touchdowns.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 12, 2009, 10:48:44 PM
And the winner of the 2009 Heisman Trophy is...

                                 MARK INGRAM!
                           #22        
     From THE UNIVERSITY of ALABAMA!

                                                  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmZTGkTfsiA

Mark Ingram wins the Heisman in the closest race ever. What a class act and a humble young man he is. Ingram is a great representative of The University of Alabama, and he made history tonight! It is another proud day for the sate of Alabama, and for TIDE  fans everywhere.

Congratulations to Mark Ingram and to his entire family. Congratulations to Flynt, Michigan, Mark Ingram's home town. Congratulations to Nick Saban and our entire football team. The Heisman truly is a team award, and this team deserves to share a part of it.

Now, let's finish off this great season with one more win!!!


ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!   ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!  ROLL TIDE!!!



Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 12, 2009, 11:47:43 PM
Two running backs stood at the top of Heisman voting.

I'm waiting for that Defensive player to win and not those flashy cornerback types like Charles Woodson (although he has lasted 12 seasons in the NFL).   :D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 13, 2009, 12:07:54 AM
Whodathunkit? ???  The Pittsburgh Steelers knocked out of playoff contention by the lowly Browns.  WOW! ::)
Brady Quinn gains more confidence by the week in hoping that Randy Lerner drafts someone else other than Tebow or McCoy.   :)

I'm not that surprised.  There's some obscure stat like "Browns have never lost to the Steelers when the game-time temp has been below x."  Until you've played in a venue like ours (like Buffalo & Green Bay), winds blowing off the lake, brutal cold, etc. - you'll never get used to it.

Plus, Pit had to beat us 12 times in a row to get to +5 in the all-time series; their dominance of late is unusual and certainly will be short-lived.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 16, 2009, 08:09:34 PM
Steelers' Clark says media, fans overlook hard work (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09350/1021511-66.stm?cmpid=news.xml)

Oy. Yuns guys won the frickin super bowl last year, and are not even going to make the playoffs this year. How did you think people were going to react? The Steelers have the 3rd most wins in the 2000's (behind the Patriots and Colts), not to mention 2 Super Bowls. We expect you to win regular season games. We expect you to make the playoffs. And we expect you to at least put yourselves in position to get to the super bowl.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 17, 2009, 10:40:28 PM
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Start_Anew_With_Allen__A_Link_to_Team_s_Past_94679.jsp

Skins signed a GM!  Hopefully things will progress in a positive direction.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 17, 2009, 11:03:27 PM
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Start_Anew_With_Allen__A_Link_to_Team_s_Past_94679.jsp

Skins signed a GM!  Hopefully things will progress in a positive direction.

Snyder had to see the writing on the wall when the Skins fell 3 points short against NO in OT.  Add possibly Mike Shanahan (Jon Gruden is not Washington type of person) and Napoleon's modern day successor can go back to purchasing radio stations and amusement parks.   ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 20, 2009, 08:51:58 PM
I admit it. I never thought the Steelers were gonna win that game.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 20, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
I have Steelers as slight favorite over the Ravens next Sunday.

Ravens outscore two pathetic NFC North teams 79-10.  Jay Culter is worse in Chicago than he ever was in Denver.

Cleveland looks very good as they build momentum for 2010.  Josh Cribbs setting NFL Records and throw a RB with near 300 yd running game in the mix.  Mike Holmgren will like what he sees (which could explain why Browns have done well not for Mangini, who can go back to being a Pop Warner ball boy for all I care, but for their future boss).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 20, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
The Ain'ts have returned!  Now only the Colts remain to challenge the legacy of Griese, Csonka, Morris, and the No-Name Defense.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 12:42:35 AM
The Ain'ts have returned!  Now only the Colts remain to challenge the legacy of Griese, Csonka, Morris, and the No-Name Defense.

San Diego has knocked the Colts out of the playoffs the last 2 years.  West Coast teams love to play in domed stadiums.

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 21, 2009, 12:45:01 AM
The Ain'ts have returned!  Now only the Colts remain to challenge the legacy of Griese, Csonka, Morris, and the No-Name Defense.

San Diego has knocked the Colts out of the playoffs the last 2 years.  West Coast teams love to play in domed stadiums.

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
What does playing in a dome have to do with efforts to establish the run? ???  (Like Adrian Peterson isn't a good running back?)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 12:55:30 AM
The Ain'ts have returned!  Now only the Colts remain to challenge the legacy of Griese, Csonka, Morris, and the No-Name Defense.

San Diego has knocked the Colts out of the playoffs the last 2 years.  West Coast teams love to play in domed stadiums.

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
What does playing in a dome have to do with efforts to establish the run? ???  (Like Adrian Peterson isn't a good running back?)

Game time temperature.  37 degrees in Charlotte.  Not much warmer in Arizona 2 weeks ago when the Cardinals stopped Peterson to 19 yards.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 03:39:35 AM
Gotta love that NFL. I mean, I never watch the stuff; but Saturday I was all prepared to actually watch the Saints v Cowboys game from start to finish, only to realize at 7:30 pm that it wasn't even televised on standard cable. Wow. I guess that brilliant move was designed to compel me to go out and purchase the NFL network. Uhh... I don't think I'll be doing that. Pro sports, what a joke. ::) But y'all go ahead and enjoy it if that's your thing.

Selam 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 21, 2009, 04:27:05 AM
The Ain'ts have returned!  Now only the Colts remain to challenge the legacy of Griese, Csonka, Morris, and the No-Name Defense.

San Diego has knocked the Colts out of the playoffs the last 2 years.  West Coast teams love to play in domed stadiums.

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
What does playing in a dome have to do with efforts to establish the run? ???  (Like Adrian Peterson isn't a good running back?)

Game time temperature.  37 degrees in Charlotte.  Not much warmer in Arizona 2 weeks ago when the Cardinals stopped Peterson to 19 yards.
Not enough of a body of evidence to prove that dome teams can't establish the run in cold air.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 21, 2009, 09:32:13 AM
Gotta love that NFL. I mean, I never watch the stuff; but Saturday I was all prepared to actually watch the Saints v Cowboys game from start to finish, only to realize at 7:30 pm that it wasn't even televised on standard cable. Wow. I guess that brilliant move was designed to compel me to go out and purchase the NFL network. Uhh... I don't think I'll be doing that. Pro sports, what a joke. ::) But y'all go ahead and enjoy it if that's your thing.

Selam  

So what is your suggestion? No games on NFL network? Don't put games on NFL network if Gebre is really looking forward to it? Only put crappy games on NFL network, that way no one with basic/normal cable will be let down?

EDIT--and btw, there are certain college games which aren't available on normal cable either, you need one of the more expensive packages/deals to see them. College sports, what a joke  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 11:12:24 AM
So what is your suggestion? No games on NFL network? Don't put games on NFL network if Gebre is really looking forward to it? Only put crappy games on NFL network, that way no one with basic/normal cable will be let down?

Maybe not over-pricing NFL network, so more cable providers would include it in a more "basic" programming package.

EDIT--and btw, there are certain college games which aren't available on normal cable either, you need one of the more expensive packages/deals to see them. College sports, what a joke  :P

College athletics hasn't been "amateur" for 20+ years.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 11:14:44 AM

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
What does playing in a dome have to do with efforts to establish the run? ???  (Like Adrian Peterson isn't a good running back?)

Game time temperature.  37 degrees in Charlotte.  Not much warmer in Arizona 2 weeks ago when the Cardinals stopped Peterson to 19 yards.
Not enough of a body of evidence to prove that dome teams can't establish the run in cold air.

Maybe people have just figured out the Vikings blocking schemes.  After AP's season last year, I'm sure everyone playing them took some extra time to focus on stopping the NFL's best rusher.  Sometimes dome teams have an awful time in the outside (late 90's/early 00's Rams come to mind), but sometimes the stereotype doesn't apply (Colts, anyone?).



Fixed quote tags...  - PtA
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 02:51:36 PM

College athletics hasn't been "amateur" for 20+ years.

College football has definitely become a big business of sorts. But at least college players typically give 100% rahter than just playing hard when they feel like it. The pro athletes love to play hard when they're on Monday Night Football. Guys like Favre and Manning are exceptions to the rule, not the norm. IMHO.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 21, 2009, 05:22:44 PM

College athletics hasn't been "amateur" for 20+ years.

College football has definitely become a big business of sorts. But at least college players typically give 100% rahter than just playing hard when they feel like it.
And I'm calling this an unproven stereotype. ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 06:22:11 PM

Meanwhile, Dome teams, who can't establish the run, continue to self-destruct (e.g. Vikings).
What does playing in a dome have to do with efforts to establish the run? ???  (Like Adrian Peterson isn't a good running back?)

Game time temperature.  37 degrees in Charlotte.  Not much warmer in Arizona 2 weeks ago when the Cardinals stopped Peterson to 19 yards.
Not enough of a body of evidence to prove that dome teams can't establish the run in cold air.

Maybe people have just figured out the Vikings blocking schemes.  After AP's season last year, I'm sure everyone playing them took some extra time to focus on stopping the NFL's best rusher.  Sometimes dome teams have an awful time in the outside (late 90's/early 00's Rams come to mind), but sometimes the stereotype doesn't apply (Colts, anyone?).

Never Mind....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 07:45:02 PM
College athletics hasn't been "amateur" for 20+ years.

College football has definitely become a big business of sorts. But at least college players typically give 100% rahter than just playing hard when they feel like it. The pro athletes love to play hard when they're on Monday Night Football. Guys like Favre and Manning are exceptions to the rule, not the norm. IMHO.

I would not agree about college football players - I've definitely seen top-flight college guys take many plays/games off.  Especially when they're in the cupcake portions of their schedule.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 08:30:40 PM
College athletics hasn't been "amateur" for 20+ years.

College football has definitely become a big business of sorts. But at least college players typically give 100% rahter than just playing hard when they feel like it. The pro athletes love to play hard when they're on Monday Night Football. Guys like Favre and Manning are exceptions to the rule, not the norm. IMHO.

I would not agree about college football players - I've definitely seen top-flight college guys take many plays/games off.  Especially when they're in the cupcake portions of their schedule.

Sure. It happens. But not as frequently as in the NFL. And top college teams with top college coaches usually don't allow players to get away with it. But NFL coaches have their hands tied by the owners. A guy like T.O. or Randy Moss that loafs is immune to discipline by the coach. If the coach wants to bench him, the owner steps in and tells him he has to let him play.

I mean, a lot of people don't mind that kind of foolishness. But I can't stand it, and I won't waste my time getting emotionally invested in a professional sports league that operates on such an unprincipled system. But hey, that's just me. Obviously I'm in the minority. But then again, I'm a BAMA fan, so my standards are higher than most people's. ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 08:34:15 PM
I mean, a lot of people don't mind that kind of foolishness. But I can't stand it, and I won't waste my time getting emotionally invested in a professional sports league that operates on such an unprincipled system. But hey, that's just me. Obviously I'm in the minority. But then again, I'm a BAMA fan, so my standards are higher than most people's. ;) 

I think that the players who give less than 100% are in the minority in both amateur and professional sport; for the former, the glory of victory is their only reward (supposedly, at least); but for the latter, they are fulfilling childhood dreams and aspirations, competing to be the top of their sport, challenging themselves for improvement, etc. - and I think it is an unproven and quite frankly incorrect assertion to say that most, many, or even more than a few players play at a level less than what they are capable of.

Oh, and cut the Bama higher standards act - no one here is buying that sort of bovine manure.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
I mean, a lot of people don't mind that kind of foolishness. But I can't stand it, and I won't waste my time getting emotionally invested in a professional sports league that operates on such an unprincipled system. But hey, that's just me. Obviously I'm in the minority. But then again, I'm a BAMA fan, so my standards are higher than most people's. ;)  

I think that the players who give less than 100% are in the minority in both amateur and professional sport; for the former, the glory of victory is their only reward (supposedly, at least); but for the latter, they are fulfilling childhood dreams and aspirations, competing to be the top of their sport, challenging themselves for improvement, etc. - and I think it is an unproven and quite frankly incorrect assertion to say that most, many, or even more than a few players play at a level less than what they are capable of.

Oh, and cut the Bama higher standards act - no one here is buying that sort of bovine manure.

Ahh.. the hatred for tradition and class comes out. No wonder you like the NFL. Hate on BAMA all you want, but it won't negate the reality of our winning tradition. And you Father, of all people, should certainly respect Tradition! ;)

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 08:44:19 PM
I think that the players who give less than 100% are in the minority in both amateur and professional sport; for the former, the glory of victory is their only reward (supposedly, at least); but for the latter, they are fulfilling childhood dreams and aspirations, competing to be the top of their sport, challenging themselves for improvement, etc. - and I think it is an unproven and quite frankly incorrect assertion to say that most, many, or even more than a few players play at a level less than what they are capable of.

Oh, and cut the Bama higher standards act - no one here is buying that sort of bovine manure. 

Ahh.. the hatred for tradition and class comes out. No wonder you like the NFL. Hate on BAMA all you want, but it won't negate the reality of our winning tradition. And you Father, of all people, should certainly respect Tradition! 

I do indeed respect tradition - professional tradition in Brown and Orange.  I just like my College tradition in Scarlet and Gray, rather than your Southern tea varieties. :D ;D
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
I think that the players who give less than 100% are in the minority in both amateur and professional sport; for the former, the glory of victory is their only reward (supposedly, at least); but for the latter, they are fulfilling childhood dreams and aspirations, competing to be the top of their sport, challenging themselves for improvement, etc. - and I think it is an unproven and quite frankly incorrect assertion to say that most, many, or even more than a few players play at a level less than what they are capable of.

Oh, and cut the Bama higher standards act - no one here is buying that sort of bovine manure. 

Ahh.. the hatred for tradition and class comes out. No wonder you like the NFL. Hate on BAMA all you want, but it won't negate the reality of our winning tradition. And you Father, of all people, should certainly respect Tradition! 

I do indeed respect tradition - professional tradition in Brown and Orange.  I just like my College tradition in Scarlet and Gray, rather than your Southern tea varieties. :D ;D

Is that the Cleveland Browns and Ohio State?

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 08:48:31 PM
I do indeed respect tradition - professional tradition in Brown and Orange.  I just like my College tradition in Scarlet and Gray, rather than your Southern tea varieties. :D ;D

Is that the Cleveland Browns and Ohio State?

Indeed, good sir.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
I do indeed respect tradition - professional tradition in Brown and Orange.  I just like my College tradition in Scarlet and Gray, rather than your Southern tea varieties. :D ;D

Is that the Cleveland Browns and Ohio State?

Indeed, good sir.

I always thought Cleveland's stadium was vintage. I enjoyed watching them play in the snow. The Browns seemed like a blue collar team that embodied the spirit of the city. Do they still play in that same stadium? I haven't kept up with the NFL in ages.

As for Ohio State... Woody Hayes was my kind of guy, old school. I also think Jim Tressel is a classy guy. You guys have a pretty good tradition, but us SEC "tea varieties" seem to dominate y'all in National Championship games.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
I always thought Cleveland's stadium was vintage. I enjoyed watching them play in the snow. The Browns seemed like a blue collar team that embodied the spirit of the city. Do they still play in that same stadium? I haven't kept up with the NFL in ages.

No.  New stadium, but same site as the old one.

As for Ohio State... Woody Hayes was my kind of guy, old school. I also think Jim Tressel is a classy guy. You guys have a pretty good tradition, but us SEC "tea varieties" seem to dominate y'all in National Championship games.

We'll see what happens in the future.  My only problem with Tressel is the non-existent offensive game-plan.  Give him a competent risk-taker as an offensive play-caller, and each of the two championship losses would have ended differently (either different W-L result, or vastly different score).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.

Yes, indeed.  And I'm very excited.  The first truly experienced, credible, and successful football executive in Cleveland since the team's return.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 09:54:56 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.

Yes, indeed.  And I'm very excited.  The first truly experienced, credible, and successful football executive in Cleveland since the team's return.

He seems like a good fit. Just has that midwest, cold weather vibe to him that never seemed right in Seattle.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 09:57:16 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.

Yes, indeed.  And I'm very excited.  The first truly experienced, credible, and successful football executive in Cleveland since the team's return.

So am I.   ;D

I was trying to set the post to "Santa Claus is coming to town" except that I've picked on Mangini enough in this thread.   :angel:
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 09:59:35 PM
It's ok if you do pick on him some more; although I don't usually judge a coach (any coach) by their first season, unless it's utterly disastrous to the tune of 0 or 1 win(s).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.

Yes, indeed.  And I'm very excited.  The first truly experienced, credible, and successful football executive in Cleveland since the team's return.

He seems like a good fit. Just has that midwest, cold weather vibe to him that never seemed right in Seattle.

Holmgren is all upside, not one downside to think of.  If he wants to coach, Cleveland is perfect place.

I'm also looking forward to Mike Shanahan coaching the Redskins - Time for DC to come out of its slump in the NFC East.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 10:02:40 PM
It's ok if you do pick on him some more; although I don't usually judge a coach (any coach) by their first season, unless it's utterly disastrous to the tune of 0 or 1 win(s).

Mangini has had a season under his belt with the "law of diminishing returns" Brett Favre.  Let's see: 8-8 with Jets and 3-11 with Browns = 11-19 lifetime record, not going to last long in NFL....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 10:06:44 PM
Mike Holmgren is coming to Cleveland.

Yes, indeed.  And I'm very excited.  The first truly experienced, credible, and successful football executive in Cleveland since the team's return.

He seems like a good fit. Just has that midwest, cold weather vibe to him that never seemed right in Seattle.

Selam

Well he certainly liked Seattle, but I think he'll do great working with our team.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 10:07:25 PM
Mangini has had a season under his belt with the "law of diminishing returns" Brett Favre.  Let's see: 8-8 with Jets and 3-11 with Browns = 11-19 lifetime record, not going to last long in NFL....

At least not as a head coach.  But he was a good defensive coordinator, especially when his head coach was feeding him video assistance ;)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 21, 2009, 10:34:26 PM
Mangini has had a season under his belt with the "law of diminishing returns" Brett Favre.  Let's see: 8-8 with Jets and 3-11 with Browns = 11-19 lifetime record, not going to last long in NFL....

At least not as a head coach.  But he was a good defensive coordinator, especially when his head coach was feeding him video assistance ;)

So my Pop Warner analogy wasn't that far off; I forgot Mangini's role in Videogate.   :-\
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
I just saw this! Here is a perfect example of a mentality and spirit that you will find only in college athletics. And it comes from my wonderful Crimson Tide.  :)

Selam
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Dr. Saturday Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:02 pm EST

Tide players pass on travel cash in the name of solidarity
By Matt Hinton

 For the sake of maintaining their pure competitive spirits, NCAA athletes who help generate tens of millions of dollars for their schools have almost no sanctioned opportunities to come under the corrupting influence of money themselves. One of the rare exceptions is bowl travel stipends: Most teams headed to a postseason game break for a few days, then reconvene at the bowl site for final practices and pre-game festivities. Subsequently, the NCAA offers a set dollar amount for players who travel individually, and they're allowed to pocket the difference between that number and the actual cost of the trip. This is standard procedure everywhere, including Alabama during the Tide's short trips to Louisiana for the Independence and Sugar bowls the last two seasons.

This time around, though, 'Bama captains weighed the break and the cash against the cost of splitting up the team and burdening players with the logistics of connecting flights, delays and other holiday travel hang-ups in the middle of preparations for the BCS Championship game on Jan. 7, and decided they'd rather stick together than get paid:

Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban left the decision on travel this time to his captains -- linebacker Rolando McClain, left guard Mike Johnson and cornerback Javier Arenas -- and the entire team. Encouraged by those captains, a UA official said, the Crimson Tide unanimously voted to forego the stipend and travel as a team Jan. 1 to the Los Angeles area.

The decision made things easier on the team in many ways, since practices can continue in Tuscaloosa after Christmas break and the Crimson Tide can also avoid the type of delays that can come with traveling individually across the country.

Naturally, Alabama partisans are proudly applauding their boys' selflessness, leadership and sacrifice for the greater good of the Tide cause -- in contrast to the heathen 'Horns from Texas, who will break, accept the stipend and come together again in California as usual, the callous individualists. And if the NCAA accepts 'Bama's appeal to restore the travel money, anyway, it's a smashing victory for team unity all the way around. (Even if it probably amounts to zip on the field.)

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Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 21, 2009, 10:50:08 PM
At least not as a head coach.  But he was a good defensive coordinator, especially when his head coach was feeding him video assistance ;)

So my Pop Warner analogy wasn't that far off; I forgot Mangini's role in Videogate.   :-\

At the rate that he wins games, he may be applying to "Videogate" for work soon.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 21, 2009, 11:59:47 PM
Regardless of what sports you like or which teams you follow, this video is worth watching for the philosophy and principles that transcend sports and apply to success in life. If you take the time to watch all 27 minutes of it, you will learn a lot.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/various-productions-football/Alabama/MONDAY-Nick-Saban-58637

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 22, 2009, 12:47:08 AM
At least not as a head coach.  But he was a good defensive coordinator, especially when his head coach was feeding him video assistance ;)

So my Pop Warner analogy wasn't that far off; I forgot Mangini's role in Videogate.   :-\

At the rate that he wins games, he may be applying to "Videogate" for work soon.

Fox could hire Mangini as an analyst where he can follow in the footsteps of broadcasting legend Brian Billick.   ::)
The man (Billick) is good with the English language; as a commentator, barely tolerable.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 22, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
Gebre

So all these college atheletes who "play the game for honor and love of the game" all of a sudden become lover's of money and total scum bags only after reaching the pros?  Haha, wow I really wonder what your opinion of Ingram will be after he is drafted into the NFL in a season or two (from Heisman hero to money loving scum bag I suppose).  Guess all honor is left at the door once one crosses over into a professional league.
As far as I'm concerned, especially with college football, the only players who play for "honor and love of the game" are those who attend the service academies.  They know that after the last game of their senior season they will be serving in the military for at least 6 years with no real hope of making it to the NFL after the completion of their service.  Now, when Ingram is drafted and reaches a deal where he makes, ohh I don't know 45,000 a year in the NFL, you can tell me how much he plays for love of the game and honor.  Reality is, Ingram (as well as most college football players) is hoping to make big bucks in the NFL and that is why he plays college ball.
Also, everyone understands you hate the NFL; you don't have to state it in every post. ;)

 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 23, 2009, 12:03:36 AM
Gebre

So all these college atheletes who "play the game for honor and love of the game" all of a sudden become lover's of money and total scum bags only after reaching the pros?  Haha, wow I really wonder what your opinion of Ingram will be after he is drafted into the NFL in a season or two (from Heisman hero to money loving scum bag I suppose).  Guess all honor is left at the door once one crosses over into a professional league.
As far as I'm concerned, especially with college football, the only players who play for "honor and love of the game" are those who attend the service academies.  They know that after the last game of their senior season they will be serving in the military for at least 6 years with no real hope of making it to the NFL after the completion of their service.  Now, when Ingram is drafted and reaches a deal where he makes, ohh I don't know 45,000 a year in the NFL, you can tell me how much he plays for love of the game and honor.  Reality is, Ingram (as well as most college football players) is hoping to make big bucks in the NFL and that is why he plays college ball.
Also, everyone understands you hate the NFL; you don't have to state it in every post. ;)

 

Please see post 893 and 895.

And please don't put such ugly words in my mouth such as "money loving scum bags." I have never said any such thing about any professional athlete. As with most things, I fault the system more than the individuals who are corrupted by the system. But there are definitely a few pro athletes who still play for "the love of the game;" and judging from the character Mark Ingram has exhibited thus far, I think he will be one of those few.


Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 23, 2009, 08:58:58 AM
I just saw this! Here is a perfect example of a mentality and spirit that you will find only in college athletics. And it comes from my wonderful Crimson Tide.  :)

Selam
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Dr. Saturday Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:02 pm EST

Tide players pass on travel cash in the name of solidarity
By Matt Hinton

 For the sake of maintaining their pure competitive spirits, NCAA athletes who help generate tens of millions of dollars for their schools have almost no sanctioned opportunities to come under the corrupting influence of money themselves. One of the rare exceptions is bowl travel stipends: Most teams headed to a postseason game break for a few days, then reconvene at the bowl site for final practices and pre-game festivities. Subsequently, the NCAA offers a set dollar amount for players who travel individually, and they're allowed to pocket the difference between that number and the actual cost of the trip. This is standard procedure everywhere, including Alabama during the Tide's short trips to Louisiana for the Independence and Sugar bowls the last two seasons.

This time around, though, 'Bama captains weighed the break and the cash against the cost of splitting up the team and burdening players with the logistics of connecting flights, delays and other holiday travel hang-ups in the middle of preparations for the BCS Championship game on Jan. 7, and decided they'd rather stick together than get paid:

Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban left the decision on travel this time to his captains -- linebacker Rolando McClain, left guard Mike Johnson and cornerback Javier Arenas -- and the entire team. Encouraged by those captains, a UA official said, the Crimson Tide unanimously voted to forego the stipend and travel as a team Jan. 1 to the Los Angeles area.

The decision made things easier on the team in many ways, since practices can continue in Tuscaloosa after Christmas break and the Crimson Tide can also avoid the type of delays that can come with traveling individually across the country.

Naturally, Alabama partisans are proudly applauding their boys' selflessness, leadership and sacrifice for the greater good of the Tide cause -- in contrast to the heathen 'Horns from Texas, who will break, accept the stipend and come together again in California as usual, the callous individualists. And if the NCAA accepts 'Bama's appeal to restore the travel money, anyway, it's a smashing victory for team unity all the way around. (Even if it probably amounts to zip on the field.)
That last paragraph seems out of place. Isn't it possible to tell a story of solidarity without attacking another school? Both Alabama and Texas are fine schools, whose students are getting a very good education and whose professors are doing fine research. It's too bad the author couldn't put aside his partisanship when he wrote this article; the piece would have been much better without that last paragraph.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 23, 2009, 09:26:11 AM
Gebre

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth (i.e. professional players are money loving scum bags), just the impression I received from reading your posts (though, a bit exaggerated for emphasis). :)   
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 23, 2009, 09:27:57 AM
Good things also happening for the Browns:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=10303
Won't be too surprised is Zorn ends up in Cleveland next season.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 23, 2009, 10:15:14 AM
We'll see.  But no, I won't be surprised either.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 23, 2009, 10:37:23 AM
Why would anyone else want Zorn?

There has to be a good special teams coach available somewhere in the league?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 23, 2009, 10:53:05 AM
Why would anyone else want Zorn?

There has to be a good special teams coach available somewhere in the league?   ???

You don't think he was a good Special Teams coach before he became HC?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 23, 2009, 11:03:13 AM
Wasn't Zorn the QB coach in Seattle?  He did quite well with Hasselback.  Perhaps he could help improve Quinn.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 23, 2009, 11:11:01 AM
Wasn't Zorn the QB coach in Seattle?  He did quite well with Hasselback.  Perhaps he could help improve Quinn.

Oh, that's right.  That's why Holmgren would want him.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 23, 2009, 05:29:00 PM
I just saw this! Here is a perfect example of a mentality and spirit that you will find only in college athletics. And it comes from my wonderful Crimson Tide.  :)

Selam
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Dr. Saturday Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:02 pm EST

Tide players pass on travel cash in the name of solidarity
By Matt Hinton

 For the sake of maintaining their pure competitive spirits, NCAA athletes who help generate tens of millions of dollars for their schools have almost no sanctioned opportunities to come under the corrupting influence of money themselves. One of the rare exceptions is bowl travel stipends: Most teams headed to a postseason game break for a few days, then reconvene at the bowl site for final practices and pre-game festivities. Subsequently, the NCAA offers a set dollar amount for players who travel individually, and they're allowed to pocket the difference between that number and the actual cost of the trip. This is standard procedure everywhere, including Alabama during the Tide's short trips to Louisiana for the Independence and Sugar bowls the last two seasons.

This time around, though, 'Bama captains weighed the break and the cash against the cost of splitting up the team and burdening players with the logistics of connecting flights, delays and other holiday travel hang-ups in the middle of preparations for the BCS Championship game on Jan. 7, and decided they'd rather stick together than get paid:

Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban left the decision on travel this time to his captains -- linebacker Rolando McClain, left guard Mike Johnson and cornerback Javier Arenas -- and the entire team. Encouraged by those captains, a UA official said, the Crimson Tide unanimously voted to forego the stipend and travel as a team Jan. 1 to the Los Angeles area.

The decision made things easier on the team in many ways, since practices can continue in Tuscaloosa after Christmas break and the Crimson Tide can also avoid the type of delays that can come with traveling individually across the country.

Naturally, Alabama partisans are proudly applauding their boys' selflessness, leadership and sacrifice for the greater good of the Tide cause -- in contrast to the heathen 'Horns from Texas, who will break, accept the stipend and come together again in California as usual, the callous individualists. And if the NCAA accepts 'Bama's appeal to restore the travel money, anyway, it's a smashing victory for team unity all the way around. (Even if it probably amounts to zip on the field.)
That last paragraph seems out of place. Isn't it possible to tell a story of solidarity without attacking another school? Both Alabama and Texas are fine schools, whose students are getting a very good education and whose professors are doing fine research. It's too bad the author couldn't put aside his partisanship when he wrote this article; the piece would have been much better without that last paragraph.

The article seemed a bit cynical to me. Matt Hinton isn't a Bama partisan, and I think he was being kind of tongue in cheek with the "Heathen Horns from Texas" line. But I agree with you. Texas is a classy program, and Mack Brown is a class coach. Nothing wrong at all with their team deciding to take the stipend and fly out on their own. But I do think it's pretty cool that our players decided to fly out as a team and forfeit the stipend.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 23, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Gebre

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth (i.e. professional players are money loving scum bags), just the impression I received from reading your posts (though, a bit exaggerated for emphasis). :)   

No problem. I'll lay off my diatribes against pro sports. I think everyone knows my opinion by now. Sorry for being a "sports snob." :-[

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 23, 2009, 06:18:06 PM
Why would anyone else want Zorn?

There has to be a good special teams coach available somewhere in the league?   ???

You don't think he was a good Special Teams coach before he became HC?

I'm sorry.   :-[
The reference was for John Harbaugh (former special teams coach for the Eagles), coach of those ... Ravens.  He's 21-12, a winning percentage of .636
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 23, 2009, 06:20:09 PM
Wasn't Zorn the QB coach in Seattle?  He did quite well with Hasselback.  Perhaps he could help improve Quinn.

Oh, that's right.  That's why Holmgren would want him.

Analogy ...

Cam Cameron went from 1-15 with the Dolphins to reclaiming himself with Flacco in Baltimore.  Zorn would make sense as a QB coach (not offensive coordinator) since Hasselbeck hasn't been the same since Zorn/Holmgren left (plus injuries).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on December 23, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
^ Right.  Makes sense.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 27, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
Looks like the 1972 Dolphins can uncork the champagne for this year, for their legacy is safe until at least next year.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 27, 2009, 09:47:04 PM
Note to the Colts coaching staff, you play to win the game...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 27, 2009, 09:53:09 PM
How can you fellows possibly be thinking about pro football? Do you not know that the Urban Meyer saga is still going on? It requires your undivided attention!  :P
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 27, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
guess the stress of Tebow leaving was too much...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 27, 2009, 11:22:08 PM
Note to the Colts coaching staff, you play to win the game...
But what good is winning the game if you weaken your ability to win the ultimate prize:  the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 27, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Well, shutting up those annoying 72' Dolphins' players would be a welcome relief to fans and players of the NFL; besides, the Colts [almost] always choke in the post season; and it's going to happen again this year when they play the Chargers.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 28, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Note to the Colts coaching staff, you play to win the game...
But what good is winning the game if you weaken your ability to win the ultimate prize:  the Super Bowl?

It's called momentum...which helped the Pats to win all the regular season games and playoffs until the defense ran out of gas during the last 5 minutes of the Super Bowl...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 28, 2009, 01:02:14 PM
I can't believe this... but I'm going to be cheering for the Bengals next week. The most likely scenario for the Steelers making the playoffs would require the Bengals to beat the Jets (as well as the Steelers winning and New England beating Houston). Well, at least it's not the Browns or Ravens I'll be wanting to win, that's some consolation I suppose.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 28, 2009, 03:05:42 PM
Baltimore Ravens do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I'd rather see the Jets make it in Rex Ryan's first year.

As I have a soft spot for teams who have not won Super Bowls, this could be Ocho Cinco's year in SB Quatro Quatro.   ::)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 28, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
all scenarios depend on who plays due to the injury fear factor, everbody now knows you take Peyton out of the mix and the Colts are nothing...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 28, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
Baltimore Ravens do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I'd rather see the Jets make it in Rex Ryan's first year.

As I have a soft spot for teams who have not won Super Bowls, this could be Ocho Cinco's year in SB Quatro Quatro.   ::)
If you're trying to speak Spanish, then the numbers would be ochenta y cinco and cuarenta y cuatro, repsectively.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 28, 2009, 05:06:37 PM
Baltimore Ravens do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I'd rather see the Jets make it in Rex Ryan's first year.

As I have a soft spot for teams who have not won Super Bowls, this could be Ocho Cinco's year in SB Quatro Quatro.   ::)
If you're trying to speak Spanish, then the numbers would be ochenta y cinco and cuarenta y cuatro, repsectively.

I wasn't trying to speak Spanish.   ::)  Thanks anyway for spellings and translations.   :)
I was making an analogy to #85 worn by Bengals WR Chad Ocho Cinco and Super Bowl 44 / cuatro cuatro
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 28, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
Baltimore Ravens do not deserve to be in the playoffs.  I'd rather see the Jets make it in Rex Ryan's first year.

As I have a soft spot for teams who have not won Super Bowls, this could be Ocho Cinco's year in SB Quatro Quatro.   ::)
If you're trying to speak Spanish, then the numbers would be ochenta y cinco and cuarenta y cuatro, repsectively.

I wasn't trying to speak Spanish.   ::)  Thanks anyway for spellings and translations.   :)
I was making an analogy to #85 worn by Bengals WR Chad Ocho Cinco and Super Bowl 44 / cuatro cuatro
Okay. I'm just saying, if you want to call Mr. Chad by his jersey number in Spanish, it should be ochenta y cinco, not ocho cinco. Ocho cinco means "eight five", not "eighty-five".
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Asteriktos on December 30, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
So, with many of the hockey rosters out for the Olympics*, any predictions on who'll win?  Russia looks like they'll have an awesome 1st line, but I'm not sure about some of their other selections (e.g. can a guy like Sergei Federov really still play at an elite level?) Canada seems to have a good bit of talent, but that doesn't necessarily translate to wins.


*U.S. roster comes out on the 1st of January
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on December 30, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
So, with many of the hockey rosters out for the Olympics*, any predictions on who'll win?  Russia looks like they'll have an awesome 1st line, but I'm not sure about some of their other selections (e.g. can a guy like Sergei Federov really still play at an elite level?) Canada seems to have a good bit of talent, but that doesn't necessarily translate to wins.


*U.S. roster comes out on the 1st of January

I'm going to tip the Russians for the gold medal, with the Slovaks and the Belarussians both as dark horses. It will be interesting to see how the KHL players will stack up against the NHL players.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Carl Kraeff (Second Chance) on December 30, 2009, 05:58:48 PM
guess the stress of Tebow leaving was too much...

The man has a benign tumor in his brain that causes excruciating pain under certain circumstances. He is a perfect example of both the potential greatness and fragility of human life.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Cymbyz on December 30, 2009, 11:04:09 PM
Any brain tumor is serious because the brain lives in a tightly confined space, and doesn't like being pressurized.  Somewhere down the line, the coach will need brain surgery, Gamma Knife, or some such therapy.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 30, 2009, 11:50:36 PM
Okay. I'm just saying, if you want to call Mr. Chad by his jersey number in Spanish, it should be ochenta y cinco, not ocho cinco. Ocho cinco means "eight five", not "eighty-five".

I think we spoke way over each other's heads here.   :)

The former Chad Johnson is now Chad Ocho Cinco ("Chad '8' '5' ")

I was making references to: Super Bowl Four Four ("cuatro" "cuatro")

Si Senor Y?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: PeterTheAleut on December 31, 2009, 12:30:46 AM
On a final note, the Defensive Lineman Suh from Nebraska would look good in Brown and White as he chases down Flacco, Palmer and Roethlisberger.
Thanks for the compliment to one of our local heroes.  This kid, Ndamukong Suh, played his high school ball for Grant High School right here in Portland, Oregon.  He was honored as Oregon's defensive player of the year as a senior in 2004.
In his final college game, Suh leads a Cornhusker defensive effort that holds Arizona to less than 40 yards total offense through three quarters as Nebraska beats the Wildcats 33-0.  Only two tackles, one for loss, but the constant double-team blocking on Suh only opened up opportunities for his teammates to make big plays.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Jakub on December 31, 2009, 12:41:19 AM
Suh has a great pro career ahead, hope he has be blessed with good sense to go with his talent...
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Gebre Menfes Kidus on December 31, 2009, 01:57:30 AM
SUH is the real deal! He also seems to have a good head on his shoulders, so I think great things are in store for him in the years ahead.

Selam
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 31, 2009, 02:31:35 AM
Cleveland has done well enough in recent weeks to not be able to draft Suh.  Maybe the Redskins can draft Suh to replace the acerbic Haynesworth?   ???
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 31, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
Okay. I'm just saying, if you want to call Mr. Chad by his jersey number in Spanish, it should be ochenta y cinco, not ocho cinco. Ocho cinco means "eight five", not "eighty-five".

I think we spoke way over each other's heads here.   :)

The former Chad Johnson is now Chad Ocho Cinco ("Chad '8' '5' ")

I was making references to: Super Bowl Four Four ("cuatro" "cuatro")

Si Senor Y?   ???
No, I don't understand, but I think I'm missing a piece of vital information. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 31, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
ytterbiumanalyst

The Bengals have a wide receiver who when drafted into the NFL had the name of Chad Johnson and he wears the number 85 on his jersey.  A few years ago he had his last name legally changed from "Johnson" to "Ocho Cinco".

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dQ5l0FgQLcs/SMFiCWC7iMI/AAAAAAAAHvw/1Myz8AGgq1o/s320/ochocinco.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: ytterbiumanalyst on December 31, 2009, 10:50:47 AM
ytterbiumanalyst

The Bengals have a wide receiver who when drafted into the NFL had the name of Chad Johnson and he wears the number 85 on his jersey.  A few years ago he had his last name legally changed from "Johnson" to "Ocho Cinco".

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dQ5l0FgQLcs/SMFiCWC7iMI/AAAAAAAAHvw/1Myz8AGgq1o/s320/ochocinco.jpg)
I see. Okay, thanks, it all makes sense now, except for the part about why he would legally change his name to a number--especially a number in a language he obviously doesn't speak. But it's his life.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 31, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
SolEX01

Even though I feel Haynesworth hasn't been worth the money he's gotten for his new contract with the Redskins, I highly doubt the Redskins will pick up Suh.  Though there are some problems on defense, the majority of the Redskins' problems are on the offense.  With no high quality QBs entering the draft this year (well, my opinion at least), hopefully the Redskins work on building their offensive line and give Colt Brennan a chance (although he's only played in pre-season games, he slightly reminds me of Drew Brees) and allow Campbell to become a free agent.  Although Campbell is a nice guy, he seems to go through his progressions quite slowly on passing plays (i.e. when he has time to go through his progressions).
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 31, 2009, 04:29:03 PM
^ The Redskins were one field goal away from defeating a then undefeated team.  The idea of Jason Campbell working under a possible third offensive system does concern me.

Yes, the 'Skins need to rebuild offensive lineman which was their bread and butter.  If the right offensive lineman are drafted and Toby Gerhart can be the second coming of John Riggins, perhaps Campbell can succeed one day like Theismann, Rypien and Williams.  Now, the Redskins won't get Suh and Gerhart; however, Gerhart and a healthy Portis can make a respected 2 headed monster.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: coptic orthodox boy on December 31, 2009, 05:15:56 PM
As much as I like Portis, I think he is near the end of his career.  He doesn't practice any more, and he just doesn't seem to have much desire to play anymore. 
I do agree (though you didn't say it exactly, just alluded to it) that in the NFL a team needs two feature backs.  Though perhaps not the future star running back for the Skins, Quinton Ganther has looked quite impressive while filling in for both Portis and Betts.  I don't know much about Gerhart, but if you compared him to Riggins Gerhart could be the power back while Ganther is the speedy back.
Perhaps Campbell will be given one more chance next season.  With that said I feel Campbell was given his chance with the Skins and it won't surprise me if he isn't with Washington next season.  I'm still hoping Brennan is given a few shots to start next year.  He was a Heisman candidate a few years ago who the Skins drafted in the 6th round.  Perhaps he'll amount to nothing, but perhaps he'll end up like Brady (a low draft pick who adjusted to the professional game quite well).
All I know is Bruce Allen has a lot on his plate this coming off season, lol.
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: SolEX01 on December 31, 2009, 09:51:40 PM
Gerhart had 135 Yards and 2 TDs against Oklahoma in the Sun Bowl.

Others made the comparison between Gerhart and Riggins.  If Gerhart does well in the combine and the other teams drafting ahead of the Redskins have more pressing needs than a RB, Gerhart could be a good fit.

Portis is just not the same after making those Easterns Motors (http://www.easterns.com/easterns/) infomercials (For those not familiar, Easterns' is a Car dealership in MD and VA).  Neither was Inspector #56 (Lavar Arrington) nor Inspector #52 (Ray Lewis).   ;D  Although I see that Ovechkin is now part of the Easterns Motors family; I guess Ovechkin has peaked as well.   ???

As an aside, I would like to see the Ravens have fewer penalities on Sunday than Navy/Missouri combined (3, all by Navy) in their game.  Undisciplined teams do not belong in the playoffs.  Perhaps John Harbaugh can issue a challenge to his team to have fewer penalties than Navy as if millionaires need more motivation than those who play solely for the love of the game and love of country....
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: serb1389 on January 01, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
GO NORTHWESTERN!!!  What a comeback to tie it man...i'm sooo excited! 
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: John of the North on January 01, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=304238

With first place in Group A on the line, Canada scored a comeback victory over the United States, winning 5-4 in a dramatic shootout to clinch a bye into the semifinals of the world junior hockey championship.

Canada trailed 4-2 with just over ten minutes to play when Jordan Eberle notched his second of the game to cut the American lead in half. Alex Pietrangelo tied it with a short-handed snipe with 4:15 remaining, setting up the dramatic extra session.

http://watch.tsn.ca/international-hockey/clip251199#clip251199
Title: Re: The Sports Thread
Post by: Fr. George on January 01, 2010, 10:00:30 PM
I'll take Oregon over Ohio State.   :)

Do so at your own peril ;)
Is your defense starting to have nightmares yet about how they're going to stop Jeremiah Masoli, LaMichael James, and LaGarrette Blount?  If not, they should. ;D