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LAW OF THE LAND Churches barred from 'gay' discrimination New measure requires religious groups to hire homosexuals http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42502Is this a little scary to anyone but me? :dunno: May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 01:54:18 AM » |
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I'm sure some of them and thier lawyers (I like to call them liars instead  ) will start flooding the courts with lawsuits demanding restitution because thier gay clients were discriminated against. What I would do in this case is play thier game and find some of the craziest backward bible thumping baptist to apply at gay organizations such as Glaad and then claim discrimination when the christians aren't hired. |
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 02:08:12 AM » |
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that would be fun to see  |
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 02:19:27 AM » |
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is that freako-governor Orthodox with a name like that?!
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2005, 07:04:09 PM » |
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Granting gays equal rights in the work place is fine. Extending this to religious groups is unConstitutional.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2005, 07:21:47 PM » |
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is that freako-governor Orthodox with a name like that?!
Unfortunately, yes: http://www.nga.org/governors/1,1169,C_GOVERNOR_INFO%5ED_395,00.html. Marjorie |
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2005, 07:40:39 PM » |
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It ought to be frightening to all who value freedom of religion and association.
This, along with the "hate-crimes" statutes, are aimed at criminalizing certain modes of thought. I will try to find the information, but I recently read an article about a judge who ruled that a mother who was teaching her daughter that homosexuality was immoral was "spreading hatred" and that she had no right to do so. So long, First Amendment!
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2005, 09:43:59 PM » |
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is that freako-governor Orthodox with a name like that?!
I thought it wasn't 'kosher' to discuss politics here? IMHO "freako-governor" borders on being political because the "freako" appellation probably applies to his political opinions. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2005, 10:28:17 PM » |
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I thought it wasn't 'kosher' to discuss politics here? IMHO "freako-governor" borders on being political because the "freako" appellation probably applies to his political opinions.
hahaha, you caught me red handed When I read that article I was pretty ticked. American political discussion is not generally allowed but if it relates to a specifically religious topic we have occasionally allowed things to go through as I am sure you have noticed previously. I think the governor is crazy not based on his political convictions (I personally believe that it's wrong for businesses to discriminate against homosexuals) but I draw the line at interfering in Churches' business. I know you usually hate slippery slope arguments but I am just waiting for someone to sue the Catholic or Orthodox Church for "discriminating" against women for not ordaining them. Anastasios Anastasios |
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2005, 11:39:00 PM » |
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I know you usually hate slippery slope arguments but I am just waiting for someone to sue the Catholic or Orthodox Church for "discriminating" against women for not ordaining them.
And they'll lose. Actually any case would be dismissed for failure to state a claim. Has your wife taken employment discrimination yet? There's a specific exemption for religious organizations in the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2005, 11:51:02 PM » |
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And they'll lose. Actually any case would be dismissed for failure to state a claim.
Has your wife taken employment discrimination yet?
There's a specific exemption for religious organizations in the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.
Michaela offered to log me into LexisNexis but since I have you here I'll just ask you. I'll admit I am confused: how were they able to force a church to hire gays but they wouldn't be able to force a church to ordain women? Anastasios |
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2005, 12:02:01 AM » |
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They haven't forced a church to hire any gay or lesbian people. That was the govenor's interpretation of the law. Her interpretation isn't binding, however, only the courts' or the state's attorney general opinions are in any way binding. They decide how to interprate and enforce laws.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2005, 12:15:00 AM » |
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Michaela offered to log me into LexisNexis but since I have you here I'll just ask you. I'll admit I am confused: how were they able to force a church to hire gays but they wouldn't be able to force a church to ordain women? Anastasios This isn't my area of expertise but I believe it has to do with whether the job in question goes to the heart of the religious believes. The male priesthood is essential to the Church's mission but the person who works for the diocese as a secretary or an accountant isn't essential. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2005, 01:05:32 AM » |
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Also non-discrim laws usually apply only to entites employing 15 persons or more. One could argue that the priest is an employee of the parish, which may only have 2 or 3 full time employees (if that many!). Of course the opposing side could argue that the staff of a parish work for the diocese, but I don't think that would prevail.
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If people cry at weddings...why don't they laugh at funerals?
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2005, 11:11:53 AM » |
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I believe the governor is of Serbian decent. Very scary that he would do this.
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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2005, 03:43:48 PM » |
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Also non-discrim laws usually apply only to entites employing 15 persons or more. One could argue that the priest is an employee of the parish, which may only have 2 or 3 full time employees (if that many!). Of course the opposing side could argue that the staff of a parish work for the diocese, but I don't think that would prevail.
What about Catholic schools? |
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2005, 12:26:24 AM » |
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I believe the governor is of Serbian decent. Very scary that he would do this. Yup, Governor Blagojevich is Serbian. I do not know if he is Orthodox, and if so if he is practicing, or that he even proclaims to be a Christian. And it is scary.  In Christ, Aaron |
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2005, 01:22:55 PM » |
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Can we say excommunication? Because if he's standing by these beliefs, he should not be allowed to approach the chalice.  Ian Lazarus :grommit: |
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2005, 01:57:17 PM » |
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What are you guys?
Anti-Homosexual?
and yet you accuse me of Anti-semitism? Double standard.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2005, 04:29:58 PM » |
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This post has been deleted. It comes too close to the kind of political discussion which is banned here, IMO.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2005, 05:52:16 PM » |
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It's my best article though. It's subject matter is my opinion of this new law. The article can be found at: http://melodramatic.com/users/matteeramoneThis is my blog. |
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