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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2019, 07:32:34 PM »
I expect the splits will multiply, assuming the dissenting Greek hierarchs have backbones, and we’ll see further entrenchment of existing camps. The hierarchs that went along with this, with their blind obeisance to Patriarch Bartholomew rooted in ethnophyletism, are every bit as guilty as he is in striking at the Orthodox Church.

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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2019, 09:18:45 PM »
I think the focus should be on living an orthodox lifestyle and not which church you go to.
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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2019, 09:40:10 PM »
I expect the splits will multiply, assuming the dissenting Greek hierarchs have backbones, and we’ll see further entrenchment of existing camps. The hierarchs that went along with this, with their blind obeisance to Patriarch Bartholomew rooted in ethnophyletism, are every bit as guilty as he is in striking at the Orthodox Church.

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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2019, 01:24:15 AM »
I think the focus should be on living an orthodox lifestyle and not which church you go to.
How Calvinist of you!
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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2019, 01:57:49 PM »
Hopefully! It's outrageous that Serb nationalism means an entire nation (one with an autocephalous church older than Serbia's own church) is cut off from the wider Church...

Macedonia in the cards?
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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 01:22:46 AM »
Hopefully! It's outrageous that Serb nationalism means an entire nation (one with an autocephalous church older than Serbia's own church) is cut off from the wider Church...

Macedonia in the cards?
I don't understand.

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Re: Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2019, 11:05:49 AM »
I think the focus should be on living an orthodox lifestyle and not which church you go to.
How Calvinist of you!

Hey there Ialmisry! <wave>
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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2019, 09:09:03 AM »
Due to the political turn of the conversation, this thread has been split; the other half can be found here.  Further political discussion here will result in points. 
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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2019, 06:15:38 PM »
Our, as usually, will chew snot.

Statement of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church 17 Oct 2019

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Since the self-governing Ukrainian Orthodox Church, headed by Metropolitan Onufriy Of Kiev and all Ukraine, which unites 95 bishops, more than 12 thousand parishes, more than 250 monasteries and tens of millions of believers, is in canonical unity with the Russian Orthodox Church and has not appealed to anyone for autocephaly, it is obvious that we are talking about the recognition of schismatic communities in this country. Earlier, Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople repeatedly declared the recognition of Metropolitan Onufriy of Kiev and all Ukraine as the only canonical Primate of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine (the last such statement was made by him publicly at the Synaxis of primates of local Orthodox Churches in January 2016). However, at the end of 2018, Patriarch Bartholomew changed his previous statements and, without canonical authority, "restored to dignity" without repentance and renunciation of the schism those who had been expelled from it, anathematized or had never had a canonical ordination, or even a formal Apostolic succession. The head of the newly created structure was a man who received his "ordination" from the ex-Metropolitan of Kiev Filaret, who was defrocked and excommunicated from the Church. The latter was also "restored" to "Episcopal dignity" by the Patriarch of Constantinople, but soon after left the newly established" Church "and declared the restoration of his former schismatic community, which he calls the "Kyivan Patriarchate".
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We cherish the prayerful communion with our brethren in the Hellenic Orthodox Church and will maintain a living prayerful, canonical and Eucharistic connection with it — through all those archpastors and pastors who have already spoken out or will further oppose the recognition of the Ukrainian schism, who will not stain themselves by concelebrating with the schismatic false hierarchs, but will show an example of Christian courage and firm stand for the truth of Christ. May the Lord strengthen them in their confessional feat, through the prayers of saints Mark of Ephesus and Gregory Palamas, the monk Maximus the Confessor and all those Greek saints who were revered and revered in our Holy Russia. At the same time, we remember that the sacred canons of the Church condemn those who enter into prayer communion and concelebration with those who are expelled from the dignity and excommunicated from communion (Apost. 10, 11, 12; I Ecum. 5; Antiochus. 2, etc.). In this regard, we cease prayer and Eucharistic communication with those bishops of the Hellenic Church who have entered or will enter into such communication with representatives of the Ukrainian non-canonical schismatic communities. We also don't bless the perpetration of pilgrimages in the diocese, managed by the aforesaid bishops. The relevant information will be widely distributed among the pilgrimage and tourist organizations of the countries that make up the canonical territory of our Church. The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church authorizes his Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and all Russia to stop commemorating the name of his Beatitude Archbishop of Athens and all of Hellas in diptychs if the Primate of the Hellenic Church begins to commemorate the head of one of the Ukrainian schismatic groups during divine services or takes other actions testifying to his recognition of the Ukrainian Church schism.

The statement is long but interesting. It looks as if the powers that be have finally begun to act for good. Unfortunately, I can't believe it's going to last.
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Greek Church recognizes Ukraine Church
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2019, 03:30:02 AM »
History.

Hopefully! It's outrageous that Serb nationalism means an entire nation (one with an autocephalous church older than Serbia's own church) is cut off from the wider Church...

Macedonia in the cards?
I don't understand.