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Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« on: January 10, 2019, 11:36:46 AM »
Don't you think it makes sense to study and explore some of the Protestant churches in America?
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 11:47:19 AM »
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 01:30:34 PM »
So there is nothing beyond that point?
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 01:48:28 PM »
So there is nothing beyond that point?

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 03:04:11 PM »
So there is nothing beyond that point?

Outside the ordered universe, where no dreams reach, dwells that last amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the centre of all infinity—the boundless daemon-sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin, monotonous whine of accursed flutes.

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 09:44:52 PM »
I highly recommend the book Rock and Sand: An Orthodox Appraisal of the Protestant Reformers and Their Teachings. by Archpriest Josiah Trenham, as well as Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy by Fr. Andrew Damick. 

Both books detail the history of many of the American Protestant groups from their origins up to the present day.


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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 10:53:16 PM »
It is reasonable to know a little about what other churches believe.

Don't go to their services, though.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 08:40:00 AM »
It is reasonable to know a little about what other churches believe.

Don't go to their services, though.

Why not? Rituals are one of the most important expressions of religion and seeing them in person could be helpful in understanding said religion. If one feels uncomfortable with common prayers or participating in Eucharist there's no need to partake in either.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 01:07:53 PM »
Interesting study of Protestant America and Orthodoxy
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 02:24:13 AM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 02:14:44 PM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.



What’s your problem, anyway?
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 06:19:32 PM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.

Dude you don’t have enough OCNet tenure to go there.   Shucks, I’ve been a member for nearly four years and I wouldn’t dare make a Daniel Craig joke.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 02:15:41 AM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.

Dude you don’t have enough OCNet tenure to go there.   Shucks, I’ve been a member for nearly four years and I wouldn’t dare make a Daniel Craig joke.

Even the people who think they have enough tenure don’t.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 06:36:27 AM »
Going to a hillsong-ish church with professional praise bands counts as a music show or worship with schismatics?

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 09:23:36 AM »
Going to a hillsong-ish church with professional praise bands counts as a music show or worship with schismatics?

Both, especially if you eat the styrofoam and drink the grape juice.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 11:39:28 AM »
I've never been to the monastery or even visited the Abbot as a guest.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 11:43:12 AM »
I've never been to the monastery or even visited the Abbot as a guest.

We're not open yet.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 04:18:54 AM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.
Dude you don’t have enough OCNet tenure to go there.   Shucks, I’ve been a member for nearly four years and I wouldn’t dare make a Daniel Craig joke.
Even the people who think they have enough tenure don’t.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 04:49:20 AM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.

Dude you don’t have enough OCNet tenure to go there.   Shucks, I’ve been a member for nearly four years and I wouldn’t dare make a Daniel Craig joke.

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 03:39:33 PM »
Sounds like a typical date night with Mor Ephrem.
Maybe with Mor, but not with Dan.

Dude you don’t have enough OCNet tenure to go there.   Shucks, I’ve been a member for nearly four years and I wouldn’t dare make a Daniel Craig joke.

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 06:07:08 AM »
I'm seeing lately a lot of self declared ''reformed baptists'', isn't that a contradiction of terms?

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 06:57:10 AM »
No, early Baptists tended to be Calvinistic.
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« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 07:00:44 AM »
Calvinist and reformed aren't equals, as far as I understand, Reformed pressuposes adherence to confessions of faith like the Westminster Confession, that defends infant baptism and presbyterian church government.


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« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 07:03:12 AM »
There is a London Baptist Confession which is Calvinist.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
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Calvinist and reformed aren't equals, as far as I understand, Reformed pressuposes adherence to confessions of faith like the Westminster Confession, that defends infant baptism and presbyterian church government.

It's a linguistic evolution. In the current context, it means someone who a). broadly believes TULIP soteriology, b). holds to some form of Covenant theology that allows credobaptism, and c). would agree with the historic London and New Hampshire confessions even if they aren't bound to them. They have a few associations, but on the whole there aren't that many Reformed Baptist churches per se as there are Reformed Baptist people in regular Baptist churches.

Today, even most Calvinists aren't Calvinists in the fullest sense.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 12:01:57 PM »
Don't you think it makes sense to study and explore some of the Protestant churches in America?

Ive heard there are over 8,000 protestant denominations.

Personally i have too many Early Church fathers i need to read, whos theology is more important than someone who would say im an idolater.


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« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 01:02:28 PM »
Don't you think it makes sense to study and explore some of the Protestant churches in America?

Ive heard there are over 8,000 protestant denominations.

Personally i have too many Early Church fathers i need to read, whos theology is more important than someone who would say im an idolater.

The number I've heard most often is 30,000 worldwide.

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« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 02:07:27 PM »
Calvinist and reformed aren't equals, as far as I understand, Reformed pressuposes adherence to confessions of faith like the Westminster Confession, that defends infant baptism and presbyterian church government.

It's a linguistic evolution. In the current context, it means someone who a). broadly believes TULIP soteriology, b). holds to some form of Covenant theology that allows credobaptism, and c). would agree with the historic London and New Hampshire confessions even if they aren't bound to them. They have a few associations, but on the whole there aren't that many Reformed Baptist churches per se as there are Reformed Baptist people in regular Baptist churches.

Today, even most Calvinists aren't Calvinists in the fullest sense.

Yep, most calvinists are only soteriological calvinists, the rest of Calvin is usually ignored. The ''reformed baptist'' thing looks like a fad to me, something like a search for old roots, some baptists go to landmarkism (aka trail of blood or baptist succesionism) that is utterly ridiculous, while others try to fit themselves in the magisterial reformation heritage.

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 09:45:46 PM »
Today, even most Calvinists aren't Calvinists in the fullest sense.

Yeah why is that? It seems like wholesale Calvinism had a quick burnout but that Calvinist influences are still all over the place.

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No, early Baptists tended to be Calvinistic.

It's quite common in the SBC right now. You don't have to be a Calvinist to be Southern Baptist, but many are.
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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #30 on: Today at 12:37:53 AM »
Don't you think it makes sense to study and explore some of the Protestant churches in America?

Ive heard there are over 8,000 protestant denominations.

Personally i have too many Early Church fathers i need to read, whos theology is more important than someone who would say im an idolater.

The number I've heard most often is 30,000 worldwide.

I was mainly referring to the United States, but 30k sounds right (give or take 10k) for the whole world.

In the states Orthodox isnt known at all, unless you look for it

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Re: Study of Protesant or (Reformed) churches in America
« Reply #31 on: Today at 02:27:44 AM »
Don't you think it makes sense to study and explore some of the Protestant churches in America?

Ive heard there are over 8,000 protestant denominations.

Personally i have too many Early Church fathers i need to read, whos theology is more important than someone who would say im an idolater.

The number I've heard most often is 30,000 worldwide.

I was mainly referring to the United States, but 30k sounds right (give or take 10k) for the whole world.

In the states Orthodox isnt known at all, unless you look for it

I wasn’t looking for it. It just dropped on me.