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The Patriarch of Alexandria Theodoros II was festively greeted by representatives of the Polish Orthodox Church yesterday as he landed in Warsaw for a five-day fraternal visit to the Polish Orthodox Church.
The patriarch is accompanied by His Eminence Archbishop Savvas of Nouvias and an Archimandrite Sylvester.


The Alexandrian delegation was greeted at the Warsaw airport by representatives of His Eminence Metropolitan Sawa of Warsaw and All Poland and then escorted to the Cathedral of St. Mary Magdalene in the capital city, where Met. Sawa greeted them in front of the cathedral. They arrived to the ringing of the cathedral bells and were gifted with flowers and the traditional bread and salt.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 04:44:44 PM »
Beautiful! I like his miter.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 04:47:00 PM »
Very beautiful.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 06:24:24 PM »
Great stuff! (Poland is a beautiful country I hope the patriarch of Alexandria enjoys his stay)
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 07:04:28 PM »
(Poland is a beautiful country I hope the patriarch of Alexandria enjoys his stay)

I kissed his hand today so he should enjoy his stay there.  *


*it's a joke of course. I mean, I really kissed his hand, but it's not a clue of enjoying his visit to Poland.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 10:03:04 PM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2018, 07:09:03 AM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
He is from Crete originally, Cretans are very joyful and cheerful characters (most of the times)
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2018, 10:03:05 AM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
He is from Crete originally, Cretans are very joyful and cheerful characters (most of the times)

No, they're
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C'mon, I had to. You left me wide open :P
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2018, 11:26:44 AM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
He is from Crete originally, Cretans are very joyful and cheerful characters (most of the times)
No, they're always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.
C'mon, I had to. You left me wide open :P
Well, st. Paul quotes an Epimenides' aphorism, and Epimenides is Cretan so by telling that Cretans are liars...therefore he's lying that Cretans are liars...etc the Epimenidean paradox.
Btw someone can be a liar, evil beast, lazy glutton and cheerful and joyful at the same time. One doesn't negate the other 
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 12:12:35 PM »
True lol.

I was just kidding.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 02:33:24 PM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
Yes, it's even heart-warming.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2018, 04:38:53 AM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2018, 06:42:43 AM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.

Yes, it does. And it's a pretty well-known fact.



BTW, there is a fruit of this visit - statement regarding Ukraine:

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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2018, 07:36:10 AM »


BTW, there is a fruit of this visit - statement regarding Ukraine:


That statement reads like it was meant to be quiet deliberately ambiguous. Do you have a sense of what the patriarchs see as being the "misunderstandings"?

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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2018, 08:07:30 AM »


BTW, there is a fruit of this visit - statement regarding Ukraine:


That statement reads like it was meant to be quiet deliberately ambiguous. Do you have a sense of what the patriarchs see as being the "misunderstandings"?

It's a step back from this statement of the Polish Church: http://orthochristian.com/115750.html ("Ukrainian schismatics must repent and return before talk of autocephaly").
So it may be understood (more likely) as that EP and MP don't undestand actions of each other or that both play according to the canons but they don't notice it or (less likely) that positions/statemens of the local Churches (e.g the POC) may be misunderstood.
But it may be something different. Our Church, being for a few centuries between EP and MP, has to be very flexible, and usually the best option are such amiguous statements. Actually, such amiguous statemnts are issued also regarding interior issues, e.g my favourite topic i. e. calendar (only a few months after people realised that the swich to the old calendar theoretically only by name and maybe metropoltain cathedral may also affect their parishies and some other certain actions; so, it was easier for the hierarhcy to introduce the old calendar and then boast that there haven't been protests).
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2018, 04:47:52 PM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.

I am trying to recall if Pope Tawadros was called that before his election or if he took that name; if the former is the case, it would certainly be serendipitous.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2018, 04:49:35 PM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.

Yes, it does. And it's a pretty well-known fact.



BTW, there is a fruit of this visit - statement regarding Ukraine:



This is very much needed.  Metropolitan Savvas and Pope Theodore command enormous respect in the Orthodox community as uniting figures, so I pray their words of wisdom are heeded.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2018, 06:24:48 PM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.

I am trying to recall if Pope Tawadros was called that before his election or if he took that name; if the former is the case, it would certainly be serendipitous.

It had been his name before: http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/bishop-tawadros-new-pope-of-egypts-coptic-christians/

An article regading coincidence of the name:  (from 2012) http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/historical-coincidences-of-the-names-of-the-popes-of-alexandria-2/
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2018, 11:51:41 AM »


BTW, there is a fruit of this visit - statement regarding Ukraine:


That statement reads like it was meant to be quiet deliberately ambiguous. Do you have a sense of what the patriarchs see as being the "misunderstandings"?

It's a step back from this statement of the Polish Church: http://orthochristian.com/115750.html ("Ukrainian schismatics must repent and return before talk of autocephaly").
So it may be understood (more likely) as that EP and MP don't undestand actions of each other or that both play according to the canons but they don't notice it or (less likely) that positions/statemens of the local Churches (e.g the POC) may be misunderstood.
But it may be something different. Our Church, being for a few centuries between EP and MP, has to be very flexible, and usually the best option are such amiguous statements. Actually, such amiguous statemnts are issued also regarding interior issues, e.g my favourite topic i. e. calendar (only a few months after people realised that the swich to the old calendar theoretically only by name and maybe metropoltain cathedral may also affect their parishies and some other certain actions; so, it was easier for the hierarhcy to introduce the old calendar and then boast that there haven't been protests).

Yes, the POC has to diplomatic.  People should keep in min that this site: http://orthochristian.com is certainly not objective and is obviously a mouth piece for the Russians.

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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2018, 01:11:21 PM »
Sorry if you've answered this already, Dominika, but did you go see the Patriarch in person? :)
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2018, 07:01:25 PM »
Sorry if you've answered this already, Dominika, but did you go see the Patriarch in person? :)


Yes:

1. Serbian patriarch Irinej that I consider MY patriarch although technically I belong to Polish Orthodox Church
2. Ecumenical patriarch Bartholomew
3. Russian patriarch Cyrill
4. Jerusalem patriarch Theopilos III
5. Metropolitan of Poland Sava
6. Archibishop of Cyprus Chrysostom II
7. Metropolitan of Moldova Vladimir
8. Patriarch of Antioch John X (plus interview with him)
9. Head of the OCA, metropolitan Tichon (two days ago even managed to get personal blessing among thousands of pilgrims on the Holy Mount Grabarka, and got a paper icon of st. Herman of Alaska from his hands)
10. Head of the Antiochian Church in North America, metropolitan Joseph.

Greek Patriarch of Alexandria, Teophilos II, will be visiting Polnad in September, but there is a high probability that I'll be away.
Ha, 11. Greek Patriarch of Alexandria, Teodor II (why I had written "Teophilos"? lol).
I took personal blessing from him, he said in Church Slavonic "s prasdnikom" (it's a festal greeting) and that's it, unfortunately ddin't manage to talk with him a bit. He's in Poland from yesterday and it was probably much more better option to go to attend Doxology in our metropolita cathedral, but I was in Mazury (a region in Poland famous for its "1000 forests and lakes") and today he visited our parish, but the whole deletagion was so much delayed, that they just entered the chruch, the pope hanted from memroy troparion to st. John Climacus (patron of our parish) blessed the people and went with hierarchy to the rectory to eat and drink something (but parsiohioners, I think even't not all preists, even the choir director that's also a professor weren't invited :/ ).
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2018, 09:10:44 PM »
Exquisite,

Btw, does Tawadros mean Theodore in Coptic?  If so it would appear that His Beatitude the Greek Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Thirteenth Apostle and Judge of the Universe (yes, that is his title), and His Holiness the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria, have the same exact name.

I am trying to recall if Pope Tawadros was called that before his election or if he took that name; if the former is the case, it would certainly be serendipitous.

It had been his name before: http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/bishop-tawadros-new-pope-of-egypts-coptic-christians/

An article regading coincidence of the name:  (from 2012) http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/historical-coincidences-of-the-names-of-the-popes-of-alexandria-2/

I am now gripped with a sudden and (not literally) paralyzing fear that, 5,000 years from now, historians unable to recover data from our computers and left with mere physical evidence will conflate the two Popes.  Thus, our descendants will receive the unpleasant inheritance of an interminable academic debate.  :P
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2018, 06:02:19 PM »
Pictures from visit of the pope to my parish: http://www.prawoslawie.pl/aktualnosci/2035-wizyta-patriarchy-aleksandrii-teodora-ii

Ha, I'm in very background (on the right)!

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2018, 06:24:40 PM »
Lol, I see you!
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2018, 01:48:08 AM »
Beautiful church.
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2018, 12:12:56 PM »
haha can see you at the back.
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2018, 05:52:49 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2018, 11:58:18 AM »
Video from Bielsk Podlaski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cw760okRA

What is the Pope saying, starting at 1:24?
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2018, 02:15:49 PM »
Video from Bielsk Podlaski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cw760okRA

What is the Pope saying, starting at 1:24?
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Πρώτην νέμει σοὶ τάξιν, ὦ τῆς ἀξίας
Ἦχος ὁ πρῶτος μουσική κληθείς τέχνη
Πρῶτος παρ'ἡμῶν εὐλογείσθω τοῖς λόγοις.
Τὰ πρῶτα πρῶτε τῶν καλῶν λαχῶν φέρεις
Πρωτεῖα νίκης πανταχοῦ πάντων ἔχεις.

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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2018, 02:34:53 PM »
Video from Bielsk Podlaski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73cw760okRA

What is the Pope saying, starting at 1:24?
"This day belongs to the All-Holy Theotokos, her old parents, Joachim and Anna offer her today to The Church and she in turn will offer us Jesus Christ. Keep the faith deep into your hearts my children, teach piety, faith to your children, and to your grand children"

Thank you.
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Re: Patriarch of Alexandria begins 5-day visit to Polish Orthodox Church
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2018, 11:07:08 PM »
The Patriarch always has a joyful face.
Yes, it's even heart-warming.

I posted a video of him concelebrating with Metropolitan Onufriy of Kiev.  The joy when they greet one another is palpable.
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"