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« on: August 23, 2018, 06:47:56 AM »
Guys a question regarding church nomenclature.
What's the English word for κειμηλιαρχεῖον?
Kειμηλιαρχεῖον is an institution, usually under the auspices of the local Metropolis, where old Liturgical objects, vestments and Liturgical books are kept  and conserved. The public can visit, it's like an Ecclesiastical museum.
Thanks.
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Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2018, 09:43:49 AM »
I assume the objects are no longer being used? If there's an English/ western word for it I've never heard it and it's likely long out of use. We'd probably just say, "the church museum" or something like that.
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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 01:20:51 PM »
If you're doing translation, what about "metropolitan sacristy"?
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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 01:38:53 PM »
Guys a question regarding church nomenclature.
What's the English word for κειμηλιαρχεῖον?
Kειμηλιαρχεῖον is an institution, usually under the auspices of the local Metropolis, where old Liturgical objects, vestments and Liturgical books are kept  and conserved. The public can visit, it's like an Ecclesiastical museum.
Thanks.

“Alpha60’s House” is the American English phrase, perhaps the British have a single word for it...

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 01:58:23 PM »
Guys a question regarding church nomenclature.
What's the English word for κειμηλιαρχεῖον?
Kειμηλιαρχεῖον is an institution, usually under the auspices of the local Metropolis, where old Liturgical objects, vestments and Liturgical books are kept  and conserved. The public can visit, it's like an Ecclesiastical museum.
Thanks.

“Alpha60’s House” is the American English phrase, perhaps the British have a single word for it...
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« Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 01:58:36 PM by RaphaCam »
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 02:47:08 PM »
The concept probably does not exist in the Anglophone world.   The nearest equivalents might perhaps be "repository", "sacristy" or "treasury" (many historic British religious foundations have a treasury in which may be found items of historical interest as well as contemporary items of value).

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 03:18:36 PM »
Yeah, I would opt for "sacred treasury" or "sacred repository" if you were translating.
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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 03:50:10 PM »
Guys a question regarding church nomenclature.
What's the English word for κειμηλιαρχεῖον?
Kειμηλιαρχεῖον is an institution, usually under the auspices of the local Metropolis, where old Liturgical objects, vestments and Liturgical books are kept  and conserved. The public can visit, it's like an Ecclesiastical museum.
Thanks.

“Alpha60’s House” is the American English phrase, perhaps the British have a single word for it...

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 03:57:30 PM »
I assume the objects are no longer being used?
You assume correctly
If you're doing translation, what about "metropolitan sacristy"?
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The concept probably does not exist in the Anglophone world.  The nearest equivalents might perhaps be "repository", "sacristy" or "treasury" (many historic British religious foundations have a treasury in which may be found items of historical interest as well as contemporary items of value).
What's the difference between sacristy and treasury?
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Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.

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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 03:59:01 PM »
I always thought that sacristy had the connotation of "objects that are still in use."
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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2018, 04:00:04 PM »
Yeah, a sacristy involves things that are still being used in the services. "Treasury" is a much broader word that mean lots of things, both ecclesial and secular.
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Re: Κειμηλιαρχεῖον
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2018, 11:14:26 AM »
Appreciate your replies, thanks a lot.
Ἦχος Βαρύς

Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.