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To teach is to be taught twice
« on: May 17, 2018, 12:21:32 AM »
So a good teacher told me. Im currently learning modern greek. So here is some for now...

Αα  alpha       a
Ββ  veeta       v
Γγ   gamma   gh/y
Δδ delta.       dh as in this
Εε. epsilon.    ee
Ζζ.  zeeta.       z
Ηη.  eeta.        ee
Θθ.  theeta.     th as in thing
Ιι.     yota.        ee
Κκ.   kappa.    k. ( g ) at the beginning of word or before v
Λλ.   lambda.  L
Μμ.  Mee.        M
Νν.   Nee.        N
Ξξ.    Xi.          Ks
Οο.  Omicron. O
Ππ.  Pee.          P
Ρρ.   Rho.         Rolled R
Σσς. sigma.    S ...last letter only at end of word
Ττ.    Taf.         T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
Υυ     upsilon.  Ee
Φφ.   Fee.         F
Χχ.    Chee.      Kh
Ψψ.    Psee.     Ps
Ωω.   Omega.   O

Vowel combos

αι.  Short e  as in let
ει.  Long e  as in green
οι.  Long e   as in green
υι.  Long e  as in green
ου. Long U as in boot
αυ. af before δ,θ,κ,ξ,π,τ,φ,χ,ψ.. av everywhere else
ευ. ef before δ,θ,κ,ξ,π,τ,φ,χ,ψ ...ev everywhere else

μπ b or mb. There is no greek letter for b sound so you combine these
ντ d or nd

γκ. G or gk this is lower case gamma not upper case upsilon***watch that***
γγ  ng
τς.   ts
τζ.   ds
 


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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 12:29:51 AM »
Γεια σου    YA su.    Hello/goodbye

Καλημερα. Ka li ME ra.    Goodmorning

Καλισπερα.  Ka li SPE ra.   Goodafternoon

Καλό βράδυ.  Ka LO VRA dhi.    Good evening

Καληνύχτα   kal li NI khta.    Goodnight

Τι κανεις.   Ti KA nis.      How are you

Καλά        ka LA.        I'm fine
 

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2018, 12:37:01 AM »
.Ευχαριστώ    ef kha ri STO.   thanks

Παρακαλώ    pa ra ka LO.       you're welcome/please

Πως σε λένε.   POS se LE ne.   What's your name

Με λένε  me LE ne ....               My name is...

Καλώς σε βρήκα  ka LOS se VRI ka.   Its nice to see you

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 01:12:10 AM »
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T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
Not really, taf always has the same sound.
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2018, 01:26:26 AM »
η οικογένεια   i iko YE ni a.   the family

Το άτομο.     to A to mo.    The person

Ο άνδρας / ο άνθρωπος.  o AN dras / o AN thro pos.  The man

η γυναίκα    i yi NE ka.    The woman

το παιδι.     to pe DHI.  The child

το αγόρι    to a GHO ri.     The boy

το κορίτσι   to ko TI tsi.     The girl

Αυτός είναι   afTOS I ne.    He is/ this is a (masc)

Αυτή είναι    afTI I ne.       She is/ this is a (fem)

Αυτό είναι     afTO I ne.     It is/ this is a (nueter)



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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2018, 01:30:49 AM »
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T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
Not really, taf always has the same sound.

I hear different people say it both ways. I always wondered if other countries have different accents like America. The difference between new York and Alabama must make every immigrant question their whole english education LOL!!!

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2018, 01:41:13 AM »
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T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
Not really, taf always has the same sound.

I hear different people say it both ways. I always wondered if other countries have different accents like America. The difference between new York and Alabama must make every immigrant question their whole english education LOL!!!
Wait, vτ is "d" (sometimes "nd", depends on context, but disregard this detail right now), but I really never heard τ being pronounced as "d" in the beginning of a word. Maybe it's a fringy dialect thing, but it's news to me. You'd be definitely more in-context saying "t" (as in "ti kanis", not "di kanis").  :P
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 02:20:16 AM »
How does one pronounce a gamma?  I have a tough time with that letter.

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2018, 02:31:19 AM »
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T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
Not really, taf always has the same sound.

I hear different people say it both ways. I always wondered if other countries have different accents like America. The difference between new York and Alabama must make every immigrant question their whole english education LOL!!!
Wait, vτ is "d" (sometimes "nd", depends on context, but disregard this detail right now), but I really never heard τ being pronounced as "d" in the beginning of a word. Maybe it's a fringy dialect thing, but it's news to me. You'd be definitely more in-context saying "t" (as in "ti kanis", not "di kanis").  :P

I just always thought that was their accent. I have more questions than answers. I'll ask next time at coffee hour. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2018, 02:34:29 AM »
How does one pronounce a gamma?  I have a tough time with that letter.

Yeah me too. So far it seems like it depends on the word. I've heard it range from y to an aspirated g. My vocab isn't large enough to really say. What I've been doing is just learning word by word as I go along. I'm sure I butcher some pronunciations but I have people to correct me so it'll just take practice 

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2018, 02:55:13 AM »
How does one pronounce a gamma?  I have a tough time with that letter.
Do you know Spanish? It has two forms of pronouncing "g": one hard and one soft. The Spanish soft "g" is the same as the main pronounciation of gamma. IIRC, you're Jewish, so another example of this sound would be the Israeli Hebrew "r". This sound doesn't exist in English, but you can think of it as a voiced (therefore less rispid and dry) version of the "ch" in "loch" or the "j" in "jalapeño". If this sound is too hard for you, just make it a normal "g" and you'll be fine.

Gamma, however, get's nearer to English "y" when it comes before "e" or "i" sounds. Somewhere between the "y" of "yes" and the "s" of "measure". But just go with "y" and you'll be fine.

Also, for historical reasons, the combinations gamma+kappa and gamma+gamma sound respectively like "nk" and "ng".
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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2018, 05:06:32 AM »
From a native Greek speaker in Greece:

...Γγ   gamma   gh/y...
Please keep in mind that before /i,e/ γ is palatalized, it's like the english word yeast:
Ιn the word γιατρός yiatrós (physician, md) it is palatalized
but
in the word γάλα ghála (milk) it's not.
...
Κκ.   kappa.    k. ( g ) at the beginning of word or before v
...
Kκ is always /k/, never /g/. It's palatalized before /i, e/, listen to κύριος (kyrios) where it's palatalized :
Κύριος kýrios (mister, Lord)
and listen to κόσμος kózmos (world, crowd) where it is pronounced unpalatalized.
...
Ττ.    Taf.         T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
...
Tτ is /t/, never /d/. The combination of -ντ- produces the sound /d/ but...
-When at the beginning of a word, -ντ- is a plain English /d/:
ντάνα dána (stack, pile)
-In the middle of a word it's /nd/ the n is pronounced:
αφέντης aféndis (master)
Vowel combos

αι.  Short e  as in let
ει.  Long e  as in green
οι.  Long e   as in green
υι.  Long e  as in green
ου. Long U as in boot
There's no distinction between short or long vowels in Greek, at least since the late Roman era (the loss of vowel length was a long process that began in the 1st century BC and was completed in the 2nd-3rd c. AD). The only vowel distinction remaining is the one between stressed and unstressed ones
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Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2018, 05:54:58 AM »
There's no distinction between short or long vowels in Greek, at least since the late Roman era (the loss of vowel length was a long process that began in the 1st century BC and was completed in the 2nd-3rd c. AD). The only vowel distinction remaining is the one between stressed and unstressed ones
She was talking about the English distinction. Epsilon sounds like English short e, and iota sounds like English long e, for instance.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2018, 08:39:50 AM »
She was talking about the English distinction. Epsilon sounds like English short e, and iota sounds like English long e, for instance.
But of course..
On the other hand does iota really sound like a long e?
Is it perhaps a misconception from when the vowel is stressed? We tend to keep the vowel a bit longer when it's stressed.
Can't hear it a long e personally. But in the English word green, the e is indeed long
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Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.

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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2018, 09:28:05 AM »
She was talking about the English distinction. Epsilon sounds like English short e, and iota sounds like English long e, for instance.
But of course..
On the other hand does iota really sound like a long e?
Is it perhaps a misconception from when the vowel is stressed? We tend to keep the vowel a bit longer when it's stressed.
Can't hear it a long e personally. But in the English word green, the e is indeed long
General American tends to lengthen the vowel before a voiced consonants.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2018, 11:42:00 AM »
Thank you both for helping.  :)  I appreciate the corrections. I remember when I took Spanish in school, and was taught boligrapho  for pen, and a Spanish girl  laughed at me and said no it's just pluma.  I don't know how these lessons are put together, but interactions with actual speakers is a MUST with any language  i can only hope the people I speak to has mercy on me lol  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2018, 03:05:15 PM »
Bolígrafo is more usual worldwide, but pluma is the correct Mexican term. At least you weren't learning European Portuguese just to be taught puta means "girl", while in Brazilian Portuguese it means something you really, really don't want to call a girl, lol
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2018, 05:51:16 PM »
From a native Greek speaker in Greece:

...Γγ   gamma   gh/y...
Please keep in mind that before /i,e/ γ is palatalized, it's like the english word yeast:
Ιn the word γιατρός yiatrós (physician, md) it is palatalized
but
in the word γάλα ghála (milk) it's not.
...
Κκ.   kappa.    k. ( g ) at the beginning of word or before v
...
Kκ is always /k/, never /g/. It's palatalized before /i, e/, listen to κύριος (kyrios) where it's palatalized :
Κύριος kýrios (mister, Lord)
and listen to κόσμος kózmos (world, crowd) where it is pronounced unpalatalized.
...
Ττ.    Taf.         T... (D) at beginning of word or before v
...
Tτ is /t/, never /d/. The combination of -ντ- produces the sound /d/ but...
-When at the beginning of a word, -ντ- is a plain English /d/:
ντάνα dána (stack, pile)
-In the middle of a word it's /nd/ the n is pronounced:
αφέντης aféndis (master)
Vowel combos

αι.  Short e  as in let
ει.  Long e  as in green
οι.  Long e   as in green
υι.  Long e  as in green
ου. Long U as in boot
There's no distinction between short or long vowels in Greek, at least since the late Roman era (the loss of vowel length was a long process that began in the 1st century BC and was completed in the 2nd-3rd c. AD). The only vowel distinction remaining is the one between stressed and unstressed ones

Now try remembering all of the above while singing the correct pitches at the correct times.

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2018, 07:15:15 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2018, 07:34:58 PM »
 η γιαγιά    i ya YA.    The grandmother

ο θείος       o THI os.    The uncle

η θεία.        i THI a.       The aunt

ο ανηψιός.     O a ni psiOS.  The nephew

η ανηψιά.     I a ni psiA.       The niece

ο ξάδελφος   o KSA dhel fos.  The cousin (male)

η ξαδέλφη    I ksa DHEL fi.     The cousin (female)

ο πατέρας / ο μπαμπάς      o pa TE ras/ o ba BAS.  The father/the dad

 η Ματέρα/η μαμά     I ma TE ra/ I ma MA.   The mother/ the mom

ο γιος.  o YOS.   The son

η κόρη.    i KO ri.     The daughter

ο αδελφός   o a dhel FOS.    The brother

η αδελφή    I a dhel FI.       The sister

ο παππούς     o pa PUS.      The grandfather



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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2018, 07:44:48 PM »
Definite article (the)

Ο (masculine) η (feminine) το (neuter)


Indefinite article (a/an)

ένας. (masculine) μια. (feminine) ένα (neuter)

Here is a video I found just on indefinate articles. I needed a suppliment to return to when I need it
https://youtu.be/bSByYhzmU4U

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2018, 09:43:35 PM »

Numbers

0    μηδέν        miDHEN
1    ένα.             Ena
2.   δύο.            DHIo
3.   τρία.          TRIa
4    τέσσερα    TEsera
5    πέντε.         PEnte
6    έξι.              Eksi
7    εφτά              efTA
8    οχτώ             oKHTO
9    εννιά              eNIA
10    δέκα             DHEka
11    έντεκα         Enteka
12    δώδεκα        DHOdheka
13    δεκατρία      dhekaTRIa
20    είκοσι.          Ikosi
21    είκοσι ένα.    Ikosi ena
22    είκοσι δύο.    Ikosi DHIo
30.   τριάντα.        triAnta
40.   σαράντα.       saRAnta
50.    πενήντα        peNInta
60.    εξήντα           eKSInta
70.   εβδομήντα     evdhoMInta
80.   ογδόντα          oGHDHOnta
90.   ενενήντα        eneNInta
100.  εκατόν           ekaTON
101.  εκατόν ένα.   ekaTON Ena


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Re: To teach is to be taught twice
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2018, 10:40:47 AM »
ο ανηψιός.     O a ni psiOS.  The nephew

η ανηψιά.     I a ni psiA.       The niece
You'll find that as ανεψιός a ne psi Os (masc.), ανεψιά a ne psi A too, which is much older than ανηψιός.
Interestingly enough, in ancient Greek (Classical & Koine) ἀνεψιός/ἀνεψιά /anepsiós/ (masc.), /anepsiá͜a/ (fem.) meant ...cousin and ἐξάδελφος /eksádelpʰos/ (masc. & fem.) was the ...nephew.
In the Byzantine language the two exchanged meaning (no-one knows why; often language works in mysterious ways).
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Ὁπλιτικῆς φάλαγγος οἰκεῖον μέλος
ὁ τοῦ βάρους σὺ κλῆσιν εἰληφῶς φέρεις.
Ἧχον τὸν ἁπλοῦν τὸν βάρους ἐπώνυμον
ὁ τοὺς λογισμοὺς ἐν βοαῖς μισῶν φιλεῖ.
Ἀνδρῶν δὲ ἄσμα δευτερότριτε βρέμεις.
Ὧν ποικίλος δὲ τοὺς ἁπλούς ἔχεις φίλους.