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In 2015 a working paper revealed disenchantment that people across Eastern Europe had with their lives despite income gains made during the more than two decades since the fall of communism. The research reported low levels of happiness in the region compared to nations in other parts of the world.

"For example, Ukraine and Russia are consistently found near the bottom of rankings of life satisfaction, with scores lower than those of countries like Bangladesh and Senegal," the authors of the study wrote in the Financial Times, while Armenians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Moldovans and Serbians were less satisfied with their lives compared to people in Peru or India.

Researchers also drew a connection between religious beliefs and happiness levels, with Eastern European Orthodox countries being unhappier "and that this variable explains around 30 percent of the happiness gap.”

Now, new research explores this connection even more deeply. A recent World Bank policy research working paper that examined global data and surveys took the study on Orthodoxy further and showed believers in this religion report the lowest happiness levels among Christian followers overall. The survey was conducted with more than 400,000 people in countries that comprise 90 percent of the world's population.
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Funny that they only researched ex-Communist countries, without paying attention to Orthodox countries that defeated Communist like Greece, or non-Orthodox countries that were Communist, like Kazakhstan or Poland.

Just a pseudoscientific rant by a resentful Romanian who is probably still begrudged that her parents made her stand in church Sunday mornings, no big deal.
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.
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It's definitely a dumb article but funny all the same.
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I wouldn't be happy living in Russia or Ukraine either, regardless of religion.
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I wouldn't be happy living in Russia or Ukraine either, regardless of religion.

I might. Depends on what my job was and whether my neighbors were jerks.
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I wouldn't be happy living in Russia or Ukraine either, regardless of religion.

I might. Depends on what my job was and whether my neighbors were jerks.
Of course you might, you live in Alaska.  ;D ;D ;D
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I wouldn't be happy living in Russia or Ukraine either, regardless of religion.

I might. Depends on what my job was and whether my neighbors were jerks.
Of course you might, you live in Alaska.  ;D ;D ;D

lol, not too dissimilar in a lot of parts of the State.
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

Because of course their happiness is a result of their irreligion. It can't possibly have anything to do with stable societies, safety, environmental protection, low unemployment, universal healthcare, good education and such fripperies, can it?
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

Because of course their happiness is a result of their irreligion. It can't possibly have anything to do with stable societies, safety, environmental protection, low unemployment, universal healthcare, good education and such fripperies, can it?

I prefer my misread of that as "frappuccinos".  :P
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

Because of course their happiness is a result of their irreligion. It can't possibly have anything to do with stable societies, safety, environmental protection, low unemployment, universal healthcare, good education and such fripperies, can it?

Yeah, I guess you'd have to do more connecting of the dots to argue that irreligion caused those factors of happiness (for example the fact that so many Christians have been laissez-faire bootlickers for whatever historical reasons, while less atheists have been).
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

Because of course their happiness is a result of their irreligion. It can't possibly have anything to do with stable societies, safety, environmental protection, low unemployment, universal healthcare, good education and such fripperies, can it?

I prefer my misread of that as "frappuccinos".  :P

I did that too lol.
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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

I've often wondered on what basis happiness qualifies as a good even. Take Denis Diderot, for example, he believed humans have a duty to be happy. Where does that moral imperative come from? How is that claim justified?

So even if religion is actually the cause of happiness or lack thereof, I'm still left wondering where this final leap comes from.
"Il ne faut imaginer Dieu ni trop bon, ni méchant. La justice est entre l'excès de la clémence et la cruauté, ainsi que les peines finies sont entre l'impunité et les peines éternelles." - Denise Diderot, Pensées philosophiques 1746

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If you go by the UN Happiness Index, the happiest countries are all the most secular ones (Scandinavian countries in particular). I've had that used on me by an atheist.

Either something is wrong with the methodology in those surveys or something is wrong with religion, I guess.

I've often wondered on what basis happiness qualifies as a good even. Take Denis Diderot, for example, he believed humans have a duty to be happy. Where does that moral imperative come from? How is that claim justified?

So even if religion is actually the cause of happiness or lack thereof, I'm still left wondering where this final leap comes from.

We can only take high levels of unhappiness for so long (just how many years probably varies) before we give up on life- either directly through suicide or indirectly through substance abuse or despondency. I'd say in that sense it's as much of an imperative as continuing to sleep and eat.

This is of course different from saying that one has an imperative to try and be as happy as they possibly can, which would seem to follow from Utilitarianism.
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Studies like this just make me ask questions that I don't have time to dig up the answers for.  I bet they're banking on that.
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Studies like this just make me ask questions that I don't have time to dig up the answers for.  I bet they're banking on that.
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