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« on: September 30, 2017, 02:12:40 AM »
What are the orthodox widespread traditions, prayers, icons, devotions...?

I mean, catholics have brown scapular, rosary and so on. What are the eastern traditions and devotions?

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 06:35:37 AM »
I assume you mean private devotions. We have our normal daily cycle of prayers, whether one uses the hours or morning or evening prayers. We have the Psalter. We have lots of canons and akathists that can be prayed in a home setting. Then we have short, repeated prayers, sometimes using prayer ropes. The most popular of these is the Jesus prayer.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 09:04:49 AM »
I'd fine-tune that by adding that traditionally the Jesus Prayer and prayer ropes are more a monastic thing than a rank-and-file Orthodox one. Thye're not widespread like the rosary among lay Roman Catholics.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 09:10:44 AM »
The Jesus prayer was being recommended to laymen at least as far back as the 1300's (Sts Symeon of Thessaloniki and Gregory Palamas exhorted it). Then there is an exhortation attributed to Chrysostom.
It seems to me komboschini are pretty widespread too. Even Greeks who aren't particularly religious sometimes have them in their wrists (not to be confused with the worry beads).
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 09:43:28 AM »
The Jesus prayer was being recommended to laymen at least as far back as the 1300's (Sts Symeon of Thessaloniki and Gregory Palamas exhorted it). Then there is an exhortation attributed to Chrysostom.
It seems to me komboschini are pretty widespread too. Even Greeks who aren't particularly religious sometimes have them in their wrists (not to be confused with the worry beads).

Exactly. In Serbia, Bosnia and amogn Polish Orthodox people wearing the prayer ropes are something very usual and popular. It's a kind of witness, plus sure, it serves for prayer (I knwo, not in all cases). I would say that prayer ropes are mroe sued among Orthodox than rosarsies among Catholics (especially beside churhc, in every day life). At least it applies to Eastern Europe. Maybe it's because prayer ropes are easier to wear, and rosarsie can't be (only the ones in the ring form).
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 09:45:44 AM »
My experience of Orthodox parishes in America is that the Jesus Prayer and the prayer ropes aren't popular with the cradle Orthodox.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox traditions
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 10:10:55 AM »
My experience of Orthodox parishes in America is that the Jesus Prayer and the prayer ropes aren't popular with the cradle Orthodox.

That's the key-word. Yeah, the Jesus prayer is not practiced at parishes (in most cases). But by people. In the street, or privately, at home.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 10:33:10 AM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »
Making sweeping generalizations based on your private anecdotes does seem to be your MO.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 11:32:10 AM »
My experience of Orthodox parishes in America is that the Jesus Prayer and the prayer ropes aren't popular with the cradle Orthodox.

That's the key-word. Yeah, the Jesus prayer is not practiced at parishes (in most cases). But by people. In the street, or privately, at home.
However, the Acathist to Jesus Christ was very popular in parishes in Ukraine especially in the afternoon or evening during Lent.  It has the Jesus Prayer as a refrain sung by the Congregation.  It is being introduced to North America as an influence of the 4th wave.

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 11:54:20 AM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
It is what it is.

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica said that in his youth, all of the villagers carried their prayer ropes with them as they went about their daily business. He lamented the death of this practice in contemporary Serbia.

St. Kosmas Aitolos also tried to revive this practice where it had died in the Greek countryside. He taught the villagers how to keep this prayer throughout the day and handed out prayer ropes as he traveled.

I will say that one of the more moving experiences I had this past summer was waiting in a hotel lobby in Greece and overhearing a yiayia almost inaudibly saying the Jesus prayer over and over.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox traditions
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 12:00:25 PM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
It is what it is.

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica said that in his youth, all of the villagers carried their prayer ropes with them as they went about their daily business. He lamented the death of this practice in contemporary Serbia.

St. Kosmas Aitolos also tried to revive this practice where it had died in the Greek countryside. He taught the villagers how to keep this prayer throughout the day and handed out prayer ropes as he traveled.

I will say that one of the more moving experiences I had this past summer was waiting in a hotel lobby in Greece and overhearing a yiayia almost inaudibly saying the Jesus prayer over and over.

Right.  Cultural practices are nice, but not synonymous with Church.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox traditions
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2017, 01:10:27 PM »
My experience of Orthodox parishes in America is that the Jesus Prayer and the prayer ropes aren't popular with the cradle Orthodox.

That's the key-word. Yeah, the Jesus prayer is not practiced at parishes (in most cases). But by people. In the street, or privately, at home.
However, the Acathist to Jesus Christ was very popular in parishes in Ukraine especially in the afternoon or evening during Lent.  It has the Jesus Prayer as a refrain sung by the Congregation.  It is being introduced to North America as an influence of the 4th wave.
that's the Transylvanian tradition as well. Akathist on Friday nights in lent, Paraklisis on Wednesdays.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox traditions
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2017, 01:15:04 PM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
It is what it is.

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica said that in his youth, all of the villagers carried their prayer ropes with them as they went about their daily business. He lamented the death of this practice in contemporary Serbia.


Probably it depends on region. My family and their friends from central and Serbia do wear prayer ropes. I see also very foten prayer ropes worn by people in public transport in Belgrade.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2017, 02:01:12 PM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
It is what it is.

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica said that in his youth, all of the villagers carried their prayer ropes with them as they went about their daily business. He lamented the death of this practice in contemporary Serbia.


Probably it depends on region. My family and their friends from central and Serbia do wear prayer ropes. I see also very foten prayer ropes worn by people in public transport in Belgrade.
I know the practice you're describing, because Greeks do it too. What he described, though, was villagers holding theirs and praying with them throughout the day. I think the advent of wearable 33-knot prayer ropes is rather recent, but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 02:26:11 PM »
I saw some elder Arabs doing the komboskini before and during the Divine Liturgy in the Metropolitan Cathedral in São Paulo, which is anything but traditional.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 02:45:24 PM »
which is anything but traditional.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 02:50:46 PM »
I'd fine-tune that by adding that traditionally the Jesus Prayer and prayer ropes are more a monastic thing than a rank-and-file Orthodox one. Thye're not widespread like the rosary among lay Roman Catholics.
What?  ???  In a recent visit to Greece, I saw many locals fingering a prayer rope in public, such as when walking on streets or sitting on the beach. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2017, 03:06:35 PM »
I understand. Rephrasing: I've found that it's not popular among born Orthodox I've known.
It is what it is.

Elder Thaddeus of Vitovnica said that in his youth, all of the villagers carried their prayer ropes with them as they went about their daily business. He lamented the death of this practice in contemporary Serbia.


Probably it depends on region. My family and their friends from central and Serbia do wear prayer ropes. I see also very foten prayer ropes worn by people in public transport in Belgrade.
I know the practice you're describing, because Greeks do it too. What he described, though, was villagers holding theirs and praying with them throughout the day. I think the advent of wearable 33-knot prayer ropes is rather recent, but I'm not sure.

Oh, now I see the difference.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2017, 03:28:06 PM »
I'd fine-tune that by adding that traditionally the Jesus Prayer and prayer ropes are more a monastic thing than a rank-and-file Orthodox one. Thye're not widespread like the rosary among lay Roman Catholics.
What?  ???  In a recent visit to Greece, I saw many locals fingering a prayer rope in public, such as when walking on streets or sitting on the beach.
I wish those were prayer ropes.  :P
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2017, 03:30:46 PM »
Probably worry beads, the Greek answer to fidget spinners.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2017, 12:02:44 AM »
which is anything but traditional.
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I was talking about the Metropolitan Cathedral, not the komboskini usage.  :P
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2017, 12:23:25 AM »
Thanks for teaching me about non-monastic laity in Orthodox countries wearing wrist prayer ropes and saying the Jesus Prayer.
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