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Mother Ines, abbess of the Holy Trinity Monastery in Amatitlan, Guatemala, and head of the Hogar Rafael Ayau Orphanage in Guatemala City, has announced on the Hogar Rafael Ayau Facebook page and the Friends Helping Rafal Ayau site that the children’s home is being forced to abandon its property in the capital city.

As previously reported, although the orphanage and property had been given to Mother Ines and the nuns of Holy Trinity in 1996 by former President Arzú for a span of fifty years, the Attorney General sent a letter on March 20 stating that the state was repossessing the property, needing it to take care of children with more immediate needs, and that the legal agreement between the government and orphanage was never properly registered and so not binding.

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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2017, 10:58:10 AM »
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Mother Ines, abbess of the Holy Trinity Monastery in Amatitlan, Guatemala, and head of the Hogar Rafael Ayau Orphanage in Guatemala City, has announced on the Hogar Rafael Ayau Facebook page and the Friends Helping Rafal Ayau site that the children’s home is being forced to abandon its property in the capital city.

As previously reported, although the orphanage and property had been given to Mother Ines and the nuns of Holy Trinity in 1996 by former President Arzú for a span of fifty years, the Attorney General sent a letter on March 20 stating that the state was repossessing the property, needing it to take care of children with more immediate needs, and that the legal agreement between the government and orphanage was never properly registered and so not binding.



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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2017, 04:00:25 PM »
Cruel...
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2017, 09:22:38 PM »
Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and Washington, no doubt.
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 10:03:46 PM »
Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and WashingtonJerusalem/Azusa, no doubt.
FTFY
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 10:43:38 PM »
Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and WashingtonJerusalem/Azusa, no doubt.
FTFY

Granted. But what I'm talking about is the fierce strain of anti-clericalism and secularism that crops up in politics from time to time. Here in the U.S. that's a constant, but in Latin countries it alternates with politicians being or claiming to be obedient sons of the church.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2017, 12:31:24 AM »
Granted. But what I'm talking about is the fierce strain of anti-clericalism and secularism that crops up in politics from time to time. Here in the U.S. that's a constant, but in Latin countries it alternates with politicians being or claiming to be obedient sons of the church.
I think this is the result of building so many Freemasonlands over then deeply pious peoples. It seems it just never added up. America, on the other hand, had it's own populace crafted around the secularist institutions.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2017, 12:58:57 AM »
What is a "Freemasonland"?
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2017, 01:27:28 AM »
Simón Bolívar, Peter I of Brazil, Francisco de Miranda, San Martín... Those were all Freemasons, and so was the rest of the oligarchs who tried to craft Latin America in their image and likeness, and so are their descendants who still hold disproportionate powers.
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2017, 06:10:42 PM »
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 06:21:50 PM »
Lord, have mercy.

Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and WashingtonJerusalem/Azusa, no doubt.
FTFY

I get the Azusa reference, but why Jerusalem?  I hope you're not using that as shorthand to indicate Pentecostalism/Charismatism.  They have no authentic connection to Jerusalem whatsoever.  It's best not to legitimize their madness.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2017, 10:27:24 PM »
I get the Azusa reference, but why Jerusalem?  I hope you're not using that as shorthand to indicate Pentecostalism/Charismatism.  They have no authentic connection to Jerusalem whatsoever.  It's best not to legitimize their madness.
They don't, but they're 110% sure they are. Just a politico-religious extension of US cultural imperialism.
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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:30:51 AM »
I get the Azusa reference, but why Jerusalem?  I hope you're not using that as shorthand to indicate Pentecostalism/Charismatism.  They have no authentic connection to Jerusalem whatsoever.  It's best not to legitimize their madness.
They don't, but they're 110% sure they are. Just a politico-religious extension of US cultural imperialism.

I understand that and I agree.  I still wouldn't have used the term "Jerusalem" to indicate them though.  It's playing into their debased fantasies.  They are about as connected to the Apostolic Church and Jerusalem as they are to Lost Civilization of Mu.
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Re: Orthodox orphanage in Guatemala forced to surrender its property
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 10:11:38 AM »
Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and WashingtonJerusalem/Azusa, no doubt.
FTFY

Granted. But what I'm talking about is the fierce strain of anti-clericalism and secularism that crops up in politics from time to time. Here in the U.S. that's a constant, but in Latin countries it alternates with politicians being or claiming to be obedient sons of the church.

Latin American anti-clericalism has more in common with Paris than Washington. US Protestantism was never such a bulwark of old social orders as Catholicism was in Latin countries. The US founders were less radical, for one thing because a lot of the social transformation had already happened in 17th century England. Men like Bolivar or Juarez were facing far more residual feudalism in their countries and viewed the Church as a bulwark of the social order they were combatting. All liberalism is to some degree paternalistic and authoritarian but Latin America's is especially so, I think, because of the entrenched (and sometimes popular) social institutions they were trying to root out. Their measures could be fairly drastic- for instance, Mexico tried banning public processions, outlawing religious orders, stripping clergy of civil rights, etc. resulting in the Cristero war.
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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 01:16:22 PM »
Many Latin American nations seem to have a real love-hate relationship with religion. Torn psychologically between Rome and WashingtonJerusalem/Azusa, no doubt.
FTFY

Granted. But what I'm talking about is the fierce strain of anti-clericalism and secularism that crops up in politics from time to time. Here in the U.S. that's a constant, but in Latin countries it alternates with politicians being or claiming to be obedient sons of the church.

Latin American anti-clericalism has more in common with Paris than Washington. US Protestantism was never such a bulwark of old social orders as Catholicism was in Latin countries. The US founders were less radical, for one thing because a lot of the social transformation had already happened in 17th century England. Men like Bolivar or Juarez were facing far more residual feudalism in their countries and viewed the Church as a bulwark of the social order they were combatting. All liberalism is to some degree paternalistic and authoritarian but Latin America's is especially so, I think, because of the entrenched (and sometimes popular) social institutions they were trying to root out. Their measures could be fairly drastic- for instance, Mexico tried banning public processions, outlawing religious orders, stripping clergy of civil rights, etc. resulting in the Cristero war.

Don't pretend the United States is not a beacon of secularism, or hasn't vast influence in the Americas.
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We have influence in many, mostly nefarious ways, but militant laicite isn't one of them.
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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 01:52:41 PM »
We have influence in many, mostly nefarious ways, but militant laicite isn't one of them.

Well you couldn't be more wrong about that.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 01:54:05 PM »
We have influence in many, mostly nefarious ways, but militant laicite isn't one of them.

Well you couldn't be more wrong about that.

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The secularist institutions in Latin America have deep roots, I'm sure the US had a lot of influence on that, but it was mostly pre-Big Stick.
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 03:17:41 PM »
The secularist institutions in Latin America have deep roots, I'm sure the US had a lot of influence on that, but it was mostly pre-Big Stick.

I'm not making a claim of direct intervention in religious matters. What I'm pointing out is the striking difference of U.S. culture in religious matters (we have developed a puritanical horror of all religion in all our official institutions), and that, of course, the U.S. is a huge influence for various reasons.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are