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Ministry section on the forums
« on: August 07, 2015, 03:36:19 AM »
I propose we add a new section to the moderated forums for the discussion of Orthodox ministry/diaconia/service/outreach/charity. For ease, we can just call it the “Ministry” section.

This forum would cover discussion of parish, diocesan and lay ministries; advice for starting various ministries at one’s parish and in one’s community; and (within the rules for advertisement) the sharing of these ministries with one another.

The sorts of ministries in mind are: Homeless outreach, soup kitchens, food banks, shelters, education programs, catechetical programs, certain sorts of camps, training programs, shut-in ministries, certain forms of activism, assisted living home ministries, festivals, the activities of ladies’ societies, school visits, etc.

Why should we have such a subforum?

1.   A flourishing, realized Orthodox Christianity necessarily involves ministering to the world and one another. Since this is an Orthodox Christian discussion board that has room for a family forum and comparative religion discussion, we certainly have room for a Ministry section.
2.   We really don’t have a place for this sort of discussion on the board. It doesn’t’ fit into Liturgy (although perhaps if we took liturgy seriously it would) and Faith Issues casts too broad a net.
3.   Because such ministries are a partial realization of the Christian ethic (see the Sermon on the Mount), discussion of ministry as an essential part of the realized Christian life will lead to an increase in mercy on the board and make people a little less cruel to one another.

Why shouldn’t we have such a subforum?

You might think that we shouldn’t have such a subforum because the people don’t want it; after all, we have very few posts about Ministry/Diaconia here on OC.net. However, if we did have a section for it, it’s reasonable to think that the topics would follow. Furthermore, to say again, it is unacceptable for Orthodox Christians to ignore ministry. So even if we don’t want it here on the board, we should want to want it.

Please do not de-rail this thread.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2015, 04:18:25 AM »
...it is unacceptable for Orthodox Christians to ignore ministry....

I voted yea...

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 08:59:40 AM »
It seems like a good idea to me.  :)
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 09:56:29 AM »
But those enemies of this idea, which would not that we should discuss ministry, bring hither, and slay them before me.

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 10:18:45 AM »
I voted yes.  I do not want to face Justin's sword :o -- not to mention it is  good idea.

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 11:50:39 AM »
I voted Yes. :)
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 12:45:10 PM »
It's a shame the Naysayers were silent! I wonder what they don't want.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 12:45:53 PM »
A very good idea. I vote yes.

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 12:50:12 PM »
I suppose it'll face the same fate as the Book Club. Never heard of it? Exactly.

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2015, 12:53:47 PM »
It's a shame the Naysayers were silent! I wonder what they don't want.

Where is the poll to vote our agreement?

Yes, Yes, Yes.

p.s. I just found the poll. It did not show up when I first visited this thread.

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2015, 01:19:57 PM »
I suppose it'll face the same fate as the Book Club. Never heard of it? Exactly.
But wouldn't that be a bit of a wake-up call, the sort we need?
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2015, 07:00:03 PM »
I suppose it'll face the same fate as the Book Club. Never heard of it? Exactly.
But wouldn't that be a bit of a wake-up call, the sort we need?

Nah.  "Need" is a strong word when it comes to an internet forum.
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2015, 10:55:06 PM »
If so, all the more reason to take a risk on it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2015, 09:49:22 PM »
I think this is extremely important. I voted yes. As far as I know there is no think tank (an avenue that promotes ideas)  for Orthodoxy-compatible methods for bringing people to the Church.  This post also reminded me that I need to get a passport to go to Mexico in order to spend my vacation next year building homes with Project Mexico.

More to the point, is the need for a forum section that concerns itself with the missionary problem without the backlash of people who want to show how clever their rhetoric is.

My current interest stems from my vacation last week at a beach-front campsite a few miles north of Fort Ross (Russian California). From what I understand (which I believe based on observation), the majority of the campers are Russian or Ukrainian from Sacramento CA. Last September I met a Russian, and a Ukrainian and a Belarusian, they were all baptists.  One week ago I was in the midst of a whole colony. They were all baptists/pentecostals. All were from the Sacramental area (only a 3 hr drive compared to my 12 hr). Few spoke English, the services were in a Slavic language (the acapella singing was beautiful but the hymns were not Orthodox based on my listening to AFR.

There are minimally (based on the 2012 Census) 60,000 equally divided Ukranian/Russian-speaking immigrants in Sacramento. It appears most of them are protestants. If they are lost sheep, where do they go if no one speaks their language? The protestant-slavic churches in Sacramento (of which there are many and they also have their own TV station) fill this niche.

I will not discuss this here, but it is an example of one issue. I would also like to write about Gravenstein apples and Sebastapol based on my trip, but I have not found a way to tie it in.

Edit: I forgot the punch line. We need more ethnic churches, not less.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 01:57:54 PM »
I think this is extremely important. I voted yes. As far as I know there is no think tank (an avenue that promotes ideas)  for Orthodoxy-compatible methods for bringing people to the Church.  This post also reminded me that I need to get a passport to go to Mexico in order to spend my vacation next year building homes with Project Mexico.

More to the point, is the need for a forum section that concerns itself with the missionary problem without the backlash of people who want to show how clever their rhetoric is.

My current interest stems from my vacation last week at a beach-front campsite a few miles north of Fort Ross (Russian California). From what I understand (which I believe based on observation), the majority of the campers are Russian or Ukrainian from Sacramento CA. Last September I met a Russian, and a Ukrainian and a Belarusian, they were all baptists.  One week ago I was in the midst of a whole colony. They were all baptists/pentecostals. All were from the Sacramental area (only a 3 hr drive compared to my 12 hr). Few spoke English, the services were in a Slavic language (the acapella singing was beautiful but the hymns were not Orthodox based on my listening to AFR.

There are minimally (based on the 2012 Census) 60,000 equally divided Ukranian/Russian-speaking immigrants in Sacramento. It appears most of them are protestants. If they are lost sheep, where do they go if no one speaks their language? The protestant-slavic churches in Sacramento (of which there are many and they also have their own TV station) fill this niche.

I will not discuss this here, but it is an example of one issue. I would also like to write about Gravenstein apples and Sebastapol based on my trip, but I have not found a way to tie it in.

Edit: I forgot the punch line. We need more ethnic churches, not less.
There is no Russian Church in the area?
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2015, 05:22:10 PM »
NicholasMyra's idea has some similarities to a suggestion I came up with earlier for a business directory, although, his idea is broader in scope and, I think, better. So I'm definitely voting yes.

Certain categories of businesses (e. g., bookstores) could themselves be considered a type of ministry.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 05:24:58 PM »
I think this is extremely important. I voted yes. As far as I know there is no think tank (an avenue that promotes ideas)  for Orthodoxy-compatible methods for bringing people to the Church.  This post also reminded me that I need to get a passport to go to Mexico in order to spend my vacation next year building homes with Project Mexico.

More to the point, is the need for a forum section that concerns itself with the missionary problem without the backlash of people who want to show how clever their rhetoric is.

My current interest stems from my vacation last week at a beach-front campsite a few miles north of Fort Ross (Russian California). From what I understand (which I believe based on observation), the majority of the campers are Russian or Ukrainian from Sacramento CA. Last September I met a Russian, and a Ukrainian and a Belarusian, they were all baptists.  One week ago I was in the midst of a whole colony. They were all baptists/pentecostals. All were from the Sacramental area (only a 3 hr drive compared to my 12 hr). Few spoke English, the services were in a Slavic language (the acapella singing was beautiful but the hymns were not Orthodox based on my listening to AFR.

There are minimally (based on the 2012 Census) 60,000 equally divided Ukranian/Russian-speaking immigrants in Sacramento. It appears most of them are protestants. If they are lost sheep, where do they go if no one speaks their language? The protestant-slavic churches in Sacramento (of which there are many and they also have their own TV station) fill this niche.

I will not discuss this here, but it is an example of one issue. I would also like to write about Gravenstein apples and Sebastapol based on my trip, but I have not found a way to tie it in.

Edit: I forgot the punch line. We need more ethnic churches, not less.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 09:00:44 PM »
I suppose it'll face the same fate as the Book Club. Never heard of it? Exactly.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 11:58:52 PM »
I think this is extremely important. I voted yes. As far as I know there is no think tank (an avenue that promotes ideas)  for Orthodoxy-compatible methods for bringing people to the Church.  This post also reminded me that I need to get a passport to go to Mexico in order to spend my vacation next year building homes with Project Mexico.

More to the point, is the need for a forum section that concerns itself with the missionary problem without the backlash of people who want to show how clever their rhetoric is.

My current interest stems from my vacation last week at a beach-front campsite a few miles north of Fort Ross (Russian California). From what I understand (which I believe based on observation), the majority of the campers are Russian or Ukrainian from Sacramento CA. Last September I met a Russian, and a Ukrainian and a Belarusian, they were all baptists.  One week ago I was in the midst of a whole colony. They were all baptists/pentecostals. All were from the Sacramental area (only a 3 hr drive compared to my 12 hr). Few spoke English, the services were in a Slavic language (the acapella singing was beautiful but the hymns were not Orthodox based on my listening to AFR.

There are minimally (based on the 2012 Census) 60,000 equally divided Ukranian/Russian-speaking immigrants in Sacramento. It appears most of them are protestants. If they are lost sheep, where do they go if no one speaks their language? The protestant-slavic churches in Sacramento (of which there are many and they also have their own TV station) fill this niche.

I will not discuss this here, but it is an example of one issue. I would also like to write about Gravenstein apples and Sebastapol based on my trip, but I have not found a way to tie it in.

Edit: I forgot the punch line. We need more ethnic churches, not less.
There is no Russian Church in the area?

Yes there are. Clearly not enough for the Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian population size There is more going on with this region that I do not know about.

Is retrieving your lost sheep that same as steeling sheep?

Two answer your question. Before I posted, I had done an assessment using Google maps for the Sacramento area.

This is what I found by that means:

Holy Ascension Church, ROCOR, website almost entirely Russian (Google translate required). Likely a large church.

Church of the Holy Myrrhbearing Women, OCA, website defaults to Russian, but an English translation available. Appears to be a small intimate church, which would be my choice if I were hunting.

Elevation of the Holy Cross Orthodox Church, OCA, majority converts, all english.

On the baptist side, I estimate about 12 Russian, Ukrainian and mixed Slav (including Belarusian, Moldavian) Baptists Churches. I have looked at some to make sure that these churches do not have two names. I haven't found any yet. Many websites are Russian first or only. Some of these churches appear to be large.


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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2015, 01:52:28 AM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2015, 10:54:09 AM »
I think this is extremely important. I voted yes. As far as I know there is no think tank (an avenue that promotes ideas)  for Orthodoxy-compatible methods for bringing people to the Church.  This post also reminded me that I need to get a passport to go to Mexico in order to spend my vacation next year building homes with Project Mexico.

More to the point, is the need for a forum section that concerns itself with the missionary problem without the backlash of people who want to show how clever their rhetoric is.

My current interest stems from my vacation last week at a beach-front campsite a few miles north of Fort Ross (Russian California). From what I understand (which I believe based on observation), the majority of the campers are Russian or Ukrainian from Sacramento CA. Last September I met a Russian, and a Ukrainian and a Belarusian, they were all baptists.  One week ago I was in the midst of a whole colony. They were all baptists/pentecostals. All were from the Sacramental area (only a 3 hr drive compared to my 12 hr). Few spoke English, the services were in a Slavic language (the acapella singing was beautiful but the hymns were not Orthodox based on my listening to AFR.

There are minimally (based on the 2012 Census) 60,000 equally divided Ukranian/Russian-speaking immigrants in Sacramento. It appears most of them are protestants. If they are lost sheep, where do they go if no one speaks their language? The protestant-slavic churches in Sacramento (of which there are many and they also have their own TV station) fill this niche.

I will not discuss this here, but it is an example of one issue. I would also like to write about Gravenstein apples and Sebastapol based on my trip, but I have not found a way to tie it in.

Edit: I forgot the punch line. We need more ethnic churches, not less.
There is no Russian Church in the area?

Yes there are. Clearly not enough for the Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian population size There is more going on with this region that I do not know about.

Is retrieving your lost sheep that same as steeling sheep?

Two answer your question. Before I posted, I had done an assessment using Google maps for the Sacramento area.

This is what I found by that means:

Holy Ascension Church, ROCOR, website almost entirely Russian (Google translate required). Likely a large church.

Church of the Holy Myrrhbearing Women, OCA, website defaults to Russian, but an English translation available. Appears to be a small intimate church, which would be my choice if I were hunting.

Elevation of the Holy Cross Orthodox Church, OCA, majority converts, all english.

On the baptist side, I estimate about 12 Russian, Ukrainian and mixed Slav (including Belarusian, Moldavian) Baptists Churches. I have looked at some to make sure that these churches do not have two names. I haven't found any yet. Many websites are Russian first or only. Some of these churches appear to be large.

Here's an article about the rise of Slavic/Russian evangelicalism and fundamentalism in the Sacramento area. It's from 2006 but I suspect the trend is still ongoing. A lot of these churches tend to be a lot "Phelpsier" (I. e., more vocally anti-gay) than either mainstream evangelical churches or Orthodox churches in the US, and this is what the article focuses on.

As the article points out, there are also a lot of Slavic Pentecostals (not just Baptists) in the region.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2015, 11:00:56 AM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2015, 11:04:08 AM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

Just my 2 cents.
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Wouldn't NicholasMyra himself be the obvious first choice for moderator since it was his idea?
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2015, 11:08:51 AM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

Just my 2 cents.
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Wouldn't NicholasMyra himself be the obvious first choice for moderator since it was his idea?
I do think NicholasMyra would be a good mod though, occasional snark not withstanding.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2015, 11:49:11 AM »
I can't be a moderator because I would be morally compelled to delete/ban a lot of content/users in a way that the rules probably wouldn't condone.

On a related note, I think that the child boards should all be deleted, as well as either other topics or free for all non-religious topics. The family forum is a toss-up.
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2015, 11:52:56 AM »
On the baptist side, I estimate about 12 Russian, Ukrainian and mixed Slav (including Belarusian, Moldavian) Baptists Churches. I have looked at some to make sure that these churches do not have two names. I haven't found any yet. Many websites are Russian first or only. Some of these churches appear to be large.
I know that Russian baptists often advertise at Russian cathedrals and make a public show, and speak to people around there.

I wonder if the Russian Orthodox in the area would be interested in such a thing, themselves, within decency.
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2015, 02:28:26 PM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2015, 02:44:59 PM »
Having more sections requires more moderators. We already have a very short list of responsible people who have a history of following the rules. Being a moderator here means you have access to a LOT of information. Our vetting process is long, stringent and intense. We haven't always hit the nail on the head and have suffered the consequences for it.

Before we even THINK about another section we would need to keep aspects such as this in mind.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2015, 12:26:01 PM »
I voted yes, who knows maybe OC.NET might come up with ideas we can bring to our churches  ;)

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2015, 12:52:57 AM »
I voted yes, who knows maybe OC.NET might come up with ideas we can bring to our churches  ;)

It certainly has come up with plenty ideas to not bring to church.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2015, 10:29:02 AM »
I voted yes, who knows maybe OC.NET might come up with ideas we can bring to our churches  ;)

It certainly has come up with plenty ideas to not bring to church.

This is a great idea. Thanks for contributing! I can envision multiple ways we can make use of this otherwise, unfortunate truth about OC.NET ... once we get the Ministry section rolling.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2015, 06:27:28 PM »
I voted yes, who knows maybe OC.NET might come up with ideas we can bring to our churches  ;)

It certainly has come up with plenty ideas to not bring to church.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2015, 12:44:41 AM »
I can't be a moderator because I would be morally compelled to delete/ban a lot of content/users in a way that the rules probably wouldn't condone.

On a related note, I think that the child boards should all be deleted, as well as either other topics or free for all non-religious topics. The family forum is a toss-up.

Since you brought it up, I'm going to run with it. 

You are not alone in your thoughts.  there are a lot of naturally good leaders on the Forum, yourself included, who also know their limitations.  That is one of the factors that really limit our Mod pool. 

I'll make you a deal:  If you go through a process of finding someone who you think would fit the bill of being a moderator for this new section, I will seriously consider it and bring it up to the Mod team.  Worst case scenario: the whole forum gains a great new moderator.  Best case: we all win. 

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2015, 12:59:15 AM »
I can't be a moderator because I would be morally compelled to delete/ban a lot of content/users in a way that the rules probably wouldn't condone.

On a related note, I think that the child boards should all be deleted, as well as either other topics or free for all non-religious topics. The family forum is a toss-up.

Since you brought it up, I'm going to run with it. 

You are not alone in your thoughts.  there are a lot of naturally good leaders on the Forum, yourself included, who also know their limitations.  That is one of the factors that really limit our Mod pool. 

I'll make you a deal:  If you go through a process of finding someone who you think would fit the bill of being a moderator for this new section, I will seriously consider it and bring it up to the Mod team.  Worst case scenario: the whole forum gains a great new moderator.  Best case: we all win.

I already accept.

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January 23, 2016, 03:47:17 PM   Ad Hominem - "mere foil"   +45

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2015, 01:37:11 PM »
LOL!  :)
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2015, 11:02:02 AM »
I can't be a moderator because I would be morally compelled to delete/ban a lot of content/users in a way that the rules probably wouldn't condone.

On a related note, I think that the child boards should all be deleted, as well as either other topics or free for all non-religious topics. The family forum is a toss-up.

Since you brought it up, I'm going to run with it. 

You are not alone in your thoughts.  there are a lot of naturally good leaders on the Forum, yourself included, who also know their limitations.  That is one of the factors that really limit our Mod pool. 

I'll make you a deal:  If you go through a process of finding someone who you think would fit the bill of being a moderator for this new section, I will seriously consider it and bring it up to the Mod team.  Worst case scenario: the whole forum gains a great new moderator.  Best case: we all win.

I already accept.

Thank you.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2015, 11:07:01 AM »
On a somewhat more serious note, why doesn't the mod team just approach people that they think would be good? Surely you know most of the regulars enough to figure out who would do a decent job and who wouldn't. The worst that would happen is that someone would say no. You could just put people on as probationary mods for a limited time see how it goes. You could limit their access to sensitive material so they couldn't cause damage if it doesn't work out. If they prove to be good, then gradually work them in to it. You don't need to give someone the keys to the kingdom on the first day.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2015, 01:34:24 PM »
On a somewhat more serious note, why doesn't the mod team just approach people that they think would be good? Surely you know most of the regulars enough to figure out who would do a decent job and who wouldn't. The worst that would happen is that someone would say no. You could just put people on as probationary mods for a limited time see how it goes. You could limit their access to sensitive material so they couldn't cause damage if it doesn't work out. If they prove to be good, then gradually work them in to it. You don't need to give someone the keys to the kingdom on the first day.

Giving someone access to the mod forums will probably turn some people away once they find what the other moderators have written about them. It takes humility to read through that and be able to work with the very people who made those comments.

Having someone come on as a specific forum moderator with no access to mod tools in other forums is one way to handle new "hires."
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2015, 01:56:32 PM »
Most well run forums do not have any terribly dirty laundry on the moderator forum in my experience.  I would be very surprised if this site had a moderator forum filled with Stasi like dossiers on each of us; at most, I suspect discussions might exist about how much slack to grant to some of the more shall we say controversial users might exist, that is to say, those who frequently get muted or put on post moderation.   Thus only pure morbid curiosity about the contents of that forum might exist and if so should be I think regarded as an unhealthy passion.  Morbid curiosity I have found to be greatly harmful.   So the ideal candidate for a mod, a semi-mythical creature perhaps, would not rush to look themself up in the moderator forum after being appointed anyway.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2015, 03:08:12 PM »
On a somewhat more serious note, why doesn't the mod team just approach people that they think would be good? Surely you know most of the regulars enough to figure out who would do a decent job and who wouldn't. The worst that would happen is that someone would say no. You could just put people on as probationary mods for a limited time see how it goes. You could limit their access to sensitive material so they couldn't cause damage if it doesn't work out. If they prove to be good, then gradually work them in to it. You don't need to give someone the keys to the kingdom on the first day.

Is this satire? Seriously, I would be an excellent mod.

I've been moding worse places long before most people here knew what the internet was.

Everyone would be happier here me at the helm. And I would spend like 15 minutes a day at most to do it.

That people think it is difficult or time consuming says something about the approach but not the job.

The rules here are clear and relatively simple. I once even showed the mods how thoroughly and quickly I could grind through a thread here.

No nonsene about Rachel. Cross post bickering. Off topic one upping.

It would end within 30 seconds of me taking charge.

Say good bye to semantic free posts, such as checking off logical fallacies, non constructive rhetorical questions, mean spirited jibes / jives / gibes, etc.

I figure the post volume would be cut by over 90% for everything outside random or the ridiculous games threads.

January 23, 2016, 03:47:17 PM   Ad Hominem - "mere foil"   +45

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2015, 03:15:13 PM »
Most well run forums do not have any terribly dirty laundry on the moderator forum in my experience.  I would be very surprised if this site had a moderator forum filled with Stasi like dossiers on each of us; at most, I suspect discussions might exist about how much slack to grant to some of the more shall we say controversial users might exist, that is to say, those who frequently get muted or put on post moderation.   Thus only pure morbid curiosity about the contents of that forum might exist and if so should be I think regarded as an unhealthy passion.  Morbid curiosity I have found to be greatly harmful.   So the ideal candidate for a mod, a semi-mythical creature perhaps, would not rush to look themself up in the moderator forum after being appointed anyway.

The mods can read your PMs, and I would and forward all posts which would allow political leverage in the future to myself. My inbox is stacked already, but you can never have enough damning material on your lessers.

Say good bye to the ridiculous cliques around here.

My primary method of determining the merit of a post would be:

Would the soul of poster had been better served by standing before God in prayer rather thhan writing the post in question?

If no, muted till God said otherwise.

Let's see how all the mystics around here enjoy a little mandatory silence.


January 23, 2016, 03:47:17 PM   Ad Hominem - "mere foil"   +45

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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2015, 03:23:44 PM »
Most well run forums do not have any terribly dirty laundry on the moderator forum in my experience.  I would be very surprised if this site had a moderator forum filled with Stasi like dossiers on each of us; at most, I suspect discussions might exist about how much slack to grant to some of the more shall we say controversial users might exist, that is to say, those who frequently get muted or put on post moderation.   Thus only pure morbid curiosity about the contents of that forum might exist and if so should be I think regarded as an unhealthy passion.  Morbid curiosity I have found to be greatly harmful.   So the ideal candidate for a mod, a semi-mythical creature perhaps, would not rush to look themself up in the moderator forum after being appointed anyway.

The mods can read your PMs, and I would and forward all posts which would allow political leverage in the future to myself. My inbox is stacked already, but you can never have enough damning material on your lessers.

Say good bye to the ridiculous cliques around here.

My primary method of determining the merit of a post would be:

Would the soul of poster had been better served by standing before God in prayer rather thhan writing the post in question?

If no, muted till God said otherwise.

Let's see how all the mystics around here enjoy a little mandatory silence.
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Re: Ministry section on the forums
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2015, 03:26:27 PM »
Most well run forums do not have any terribly dirty laundry on the moderator forum in my experience.  I would be very surprised if this site had a moderator forum filled with Stasi like dossiers on each of us; at most, I suspect discussions might exist about how much slack to grant to some of the more shall we say controversial users might exist, that is to say, those who frequently get muted or put on post moderation.   Thus only pure morbid curiosity about the contents of that forum might exist and if so should be I think regarded as an unhealthy passion.  Morbid curiosity I have found to be greatly harmful.   So the ideal candidate for a mod, a semi-mythical creature perhaps, would not rush to look themself up in the moderator forum after being appointed anyway.

The mods can read your PMs, and I would and forward all posts which would allow political leverage in the future to myself. My inbox is stacked already, but you can never have enough damning material on your lessers.

Say good bye to the ridiculous cliques around here.

My primary method of determining the merit of a post would be:

Would the soul of poster had been better served by standing before God in prayer rather thhan writing the post in question?

If no, muted till God said otherwise.

Let's see how all the mystics around here enjoy a little mandatory silence.

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