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Offline Chrismated

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Pomp?
« on: August 17, 2014, 03:17:51 PM »
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I have a few Anglican Priest friends, who, when they tell me about their Anglican get-togethers at conferences and other ceremonies, etc., they have these pompous ceremonies, and dress up in their fancy duds, with their head dresses, and such, and very proudly and openly and vividly display evidences of their college and seminary degrees, and priestly ranking. I asked why all the fuss and pompous ceremony, and was told that it was in order to show their "rank", and "status", and require respect, derived from their various and prestigious degrees and the seminary that they attended. Basically, a big pompous show, where they hope to outdo someone else, (that's what it seems to me anyway).
When I see EO (pictures and videos of) gatherings of this sort, there is a lot of "fancy duds" and vestments, but I don't see the pompous attitude expressed, as it seems to be by the "English" persuasion. The air of humility seems to be much greater and evident at EO functions, than at Anglican Functions.
Also, it seems that EO (and I am sure OO, though I haven't had much contact with them) don't focus on or discuss their "credentials" nearly as much, or make such a fuss about them. Am I the only one who has noticed this, or have others noticed this also? If so, what is your take on it? Thank you.

Offline Alveus Lacuna

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Re: Pomp?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2014, 03:27:07 PM »
Yes, I agree that we are way better at being humble than those proud Anglicans.

Offline Ansgar

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Re: Pomp?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2014, 03:28:30 PM »
Well, naturally, vestments and clerical titles shouldn't be a source of pride, but rather of humility, but I think this is very much a matter of individuals. You will surely be able to find anglicans who are very humble and don't boast about their ranks..
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Offline Justin Kissel

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Re: Pomp?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2014, 03:38:01 PM »
One thing I like about Orthodoxy is the solemn, respectful, pensive tone to it all, and I think the ornate stuff usually works as a great counterbalance to it, helping to promote the awed, joyful, uplifting response we should have (or so I think). Maybe not awed... most of the time. But something like that. The key though is simply sincerity. No amount of outward richness or depth of liturgy, items, clothing, art, words or actions can make up for inner deadness, nor can you feel awe or joy IMO without a certain minimum amount of... well whatever label we would put on having a proper heartfelt response to God. I've not been in many Anglican churches, so I really don't know about them. I've been in both Catholic and Orthodox Churches that had such a great and deep balance. Regarding the people as it relates to credentials, again I don't know much about the Anglicans, but I don't think any issues I've had with clergy in any church has had to do with a certain pride in their degrees. (Though I could be wrong)