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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2014, 08:01:13 PM »

The best post liturgy schedule: 12:30 go to the deli with just about everyone from highschool to college. Eat a king's breakfast - Chicken club or BEC and lemonade. Go back for Sunday school at 1. Maybe teach the middle or elementary school hymns class. Fly home about 10 over the speed limit. Get home at like 2 or more. Look over the days readings. Grab a pillow, blanket, and die on the couch. Wake up a few hours later and hope I can be productive. Oh man. That's the best...this gave me an idea for a new thread.

My usual Sunday post-liturgy sequence:

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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2014, 08:12:49 PM »

I'm no monk, but I'm giving you my blessing to chomp on that cigar while your processing with the censor.  Tongue

In my world, that is exactly how it would be done.  I have always thought that I would get along rather well with the real Jesus - far more so than the figment of the imagination that 2000 years of religion has created.

He might surprise you, and not be as laid back as you envision Him to be.

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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2014, 08:18:07 PM »

I'm no monk, but I'm giving you my blessing to chomp on that cigar while your processing with the censor.  Tongue

In my world, that is exactly how it would be done.  I have always thought that I would get along rather well with the real Jesus - far more so than the figment of the imagination that 2000 years of religion has created.

He might surprise you, and not be as laid back as you envision Him to be.



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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2014, 09:41:08 PM »

I don't really get the Holy Hangover until bedtime. My post-Liturgy Sunday sequence usually consists in participating at coffee hour, coming home and eating more food, doing something fun somewhere, then having a BBQ for dinner and sleeping afterward.

I would however say that I don't care much for services that take place in the morning--Liturgy included. I feel much more moved, ready to participate, and prepared for evening services than I do during Liturgy and services in the morning.
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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2014, 09:50:27 PM »

Yes.  Here is my reason:

M-S Arise at 5:00am, float in the bathtub.  Sunday = arise around 6:00am
M-Sunday cup of coffee at 6:00 am
M-F Leave for work at 6:45 am.  Sunday = float in bathtub at 7:00am
M-F 8:30 omlet and hashbrowns for breakfast. Sunday = leave for Church, no breakfast because Jesus would rather swim around in stomach acid than hash browns.
M-F 9:30 launch the HMS Turdatious.  Sunday = prepare candles and incense for liturgy.
M-F 10:30 type a bunch of stuff into my computer.  Sunday = hope that I don't crap my pants while reading the Epistle.  Hope the time between the Gospel and bringing the hot water is long enough to devest, launch a submarine if I have to, and re-vest.
M-F 11:00am go to cafeteria for lunch.  Sunday = have been standing for at least two hours.  I have not eaten anything since last night. Stomach hurts.
M-F 12:30 make another cup of coffee to settle me for the afternoon.  Sunday = Drive home quickly while I still have some blood sugar left.  Make a cup of coffee when I get home and find something to eat.  Crash in my chair for an hour.

Sunday is not my favorite day.

That sounds like a tough, busy week for an aging man with diabetes. How much longer until you retire? Does the sleep deprivation get to you? My old man likes to work as early as possible so he can get out earlier but my mother says the lack of sleep makes him grouchy so he now works from 9AM-5PM or 4PM-Midnight depending on the week.

That lack of an omelet and hash browns must be tough. There are few things in life a mammoth breakfast can't make better.
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« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2014, 09:53:39 PM »

I'm no monk, but I'm giving you my blessing to chomp on that cigar while your processing with the censor.  Tongue

In my world, that is exactly how it would be done.  I have always thought that I would get along rather well with the real Jesus - far more so than the figment of the imagination that 2000 years of religion has created.
He might surprise you, and not be as laid back as you envision Him to be.

No doubt.  However, I always thought it interesting that He liked hanging around fishermen, tax collectors, zealots, whores, and the like, and never really got that well along with the "religious" people.  Heck, some of the words we say prior to communion come from a Roman Centurion.  No, I don't think that He was a "laid back" guy at all.  That is one of the reasons that I never liked the liberal Protestant Jesus all that much.  Yet, I also don't think that someone decked out in $1000 of vestments playing "the Ikon of Christ" fits my image of Jesus very much, either.  More like the Ikon of Caiaphas (yes, I am aware that a book cannot be judged by its cover).   I think that I could (and maybe have) run into Him in the street and not even notice.
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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2014, 09:56:17 PM »

Yes.  Here is my reason:

M-S Arise at 5:00am, float in the bathtub.  Sunday = arise around 6:00am
M-Sunday cup of coffee at 6:00 am
M-F Leave for work at 6:45 am.  Sunday = float in bathtub at 7:00am
M-F 8:30 omlet and hashbrowns for breakfast. Sunday = leave for Church, no breakfast because Jesus would rather swim around in stomach acid than hash browns.
M-F 9:30 launch the HMS Turdatious.  Sunday = prepare candles and incense for liturgy.
M-F 10:30 type a bunch of stuff into my computer.  Sunday = hope that I don't crap my pants while reading the Epistle.  Hope the time between the Gospel and bringing the hot water is long enough to devest, launch a submarine if I have to, and re-vest.
M-F 11:00am go to cafeteria for lunch.  Sunday = have been standing for at least two hours.  I have not eaten anything since last night. Stomach hurts.
M-F 12:30 make another cup of coffee to settle me for the afternoon.  Sunday = Drive home quickly while I still have some blood sugar left.  Make a cup of coffee when I get home and find something to eat.  Crash in my chair for an hour.

Sunday is not my favorite day.

That sounds like a tough, busy week for an aging man with diabetes. How much longer until you retire? Does the sleep deprivation get to you? My old man likes to work as early as possible so he can get out earlier but my mother says the lack of sleep makes him grouchy so he now works from 9AM-5PM or 4PM-Midnight depending on the week.

That lack of an omelet and hash browns must be tough. There are few things in life a mammoth breakfast can't make better.

The current shift is not as bad as the rotating shifts that I worked when I was younger.  A lot of my overtime was cut when I got out of the hospital earlier this year.  I still have around six years to go to retire without penalty.
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« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2014, 01:04:20 AM »

punch, do you drink fresh orange juice or other juices during the week?

I am VERY diabetic and I avoid juices for the most part.  When I do drink them, it is in small quantities.  More than 90% of the coffee that I drink is decafinated.  I save the good stuff to drink with my cigars  Wink  I have had stomach and heart problems for nearly all of my life, and diabetes for the last five years (probably longer, but that is another story).  Routine is VERY important for someone like me.  I can usually function quite well (and feel reasonably good) when I stick with my routine.  Sunday is a break from that routine, and I pay for that.

I'm diabetic too.  Ask your doctor about Farxiga, my sugars have Ben great since I started and that is with less insulin.
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« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2014, 02:56:50 AM »

punch, do you drink fresh orange juice or other juices during the week?

I am VERY diabetic and I avoid juices for the most part.  When I do drink them, it is in small quantities.  More than 90% of the coffee that I drink is decafinated.  I save the good stuff to drink with my cigars  Wink  I have had stomach and heart problems for nearly all of my life, and diabetes for the last five years (probably longer, but that is another story).  Routine is VERY important for someone like me.  I can usually function quite well (and feel reasonably good) when I stick with my routine.  Sunday is a break from that routine, and I pay for that.

Won't your priest allow you to modify the pre-Communion fast if you are diabetic?  My understanding is that if you have a medical condition that requires you to eat something in the morning, your priest may allow you to eat a little something before coming to church.  It won't hurt to ask him.
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« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2014, 03:39:18 AM »

Sunday is my favorite day of the week!

Dread Liturgy?  Why?

I'm usually up and running...no time to even think of eating, not that I would on a Sunday, anyway.

By the time I've got my mom settled in the car, picked up the godchildren, I find myself driving just slightly over the speed limit in order to get to church on time.

It's a whirl after that.

I think being in God's House, and participating in the Liturgy drains us in a way.  While we get "re-energized" by God's Grace, we nonetheless, are in the presence of awesomeness that leaves us feeling drained.

If you aren't going to partake of coffee hour, than it is a good idea to pack a snack/drink in the car for when you exit the church.

...of course once home, there's nothing like PLN!  It's the one day a week you can "rest" and not feel guilty.  Wink

I love Sundays!!!!




It must be a 'cradle' thing - I agree 100% with Liza. Sundays are the best. Worshiping together with family and friends, memories of dinner at Baba's house, not being allowed to pick up a needle and sew or mow the lawn or do the laundry. I don't understand the griping from some quarters. Liturgy isn't a chore to dread...if it is for you, perhaps you need to rethink where you are and why you are there.

I agree with both of you, as this used to be my experience as well. After church, everyone, cousins, aunts, uncles, would go to Aunt Sophie's or Grandma's for something to eat.

God, family, and football were the priorities on Sunday in that order. Cheesy

Now, it's just me and Dad and a priest that has become unbearably political in his sermons. I sit there praying for him to shut up to get on with the liturgy.

I used to love Sundays. Now, not so much.
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Politics from the pulpit?  That's a no-no.

Sorry it's become unpleasant. Just daydream during the sermon and start thinking about lunch and the PLN.  Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2014, 06:35:53 AM »

I'm no monk, but I'm giving you my blessing to chomp on that cigar while your processing with the censor.  Tongue

In my world, that is exactly how it would be done.  I have always thought that I would get along rather well with the real Jesus - far more so than the figment of the imagination that 2000 years of religion has created.
He might surprise you, and not be as laid back as you envision Him to be.

No doubt.  However, I always thought it interesting that He liked hanging around fishermen, tax collectors, zealots, whores, and the like, and never really got that well along with the "religious" people.  Heck, some of the words we say prior to communion come from a Roman Centurion.  No, I don't think that He was a "laid back" guy at all.  That is one of the reasons that I never liked the liberal Protestant Jesus all that much.  Yet, I also don't think that someone decked out in $1000 of vestments playing "the Ikon of Christ" fits my image of Jesus very much, either.  More like the Ikon of Caiaphas (yes, I am aware that a book cannot be judged by its cover).   I think that I could (and maybe have) run into Him in the street and not even notice.

I think we've all been guilty of that.

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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2014, 08:31:53 AM »

Sunday is my favorite day of the week!

Dread Liturgy?  Why?

I'm usually up and running...no time to even think of eating, not that I would on a Sunday, anyway.

By the time I've got my mom settled in the car, picked up the godchildren, I find myself driving just slightly over the speed limit in order to get to church on time.

It's a whirl after that.

I think being in God's House, and participating in the Liturgy drains us in a way.  While we get "re-energized" by God's Grace, we nonetheless, are in the presence of awesomeness that leaves us feeling drained.

If you aren't going to partake of coffee hour, than it is a good idea to pack a snack/drink in the car for when you exit the church.

...of course once home, there's nothing like PLN!  It's the one day a week you can "rest" and not feel guilty.  Wink

I love Sundays!!!!




It must be a 'cradle' thing - I agree 100% with Liza. Sundays are the best. Worshiping together with family and friends, memories of dinner at Baba's house, not being allowed to pick up a needle and sew or mow the lawn or do the laundry. I don't understand the griping from some quarters. Liturgy isn't a chore to dread...if it is for you, perhaps you need to rethink where you are and why you are there.

I agree with both of you, as this used to be my experience as well. After church, everyone, cousins, aunts, uncles, would go to Aunt Sophie's or Grandma's for something to eat.

God, family, and football were the priorities on Sunday in that order. Cheesy

Now, it's just me and Dad and a priest that has become unbearably political in his sermons. I sit there praying for him to shut up to get on with the liturgy.

I used to love Sundays. Now, not so much.

I abhor political rants from a pulpit. Leave that to the heterodox. Write your bishop and let him know your feelings. I know a parish or two where such nonsense caused many to simply stop attending..even those who agreed politically with him.
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« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2014, 09:58:05 AM »

I abhor political rants from a pulpit. Leave that to the heterodox. Write your bishop and let him know your feelings. I know a parish or two where such nonsense caused many to simply stop attending..even those who agreed politically with him.

Seconded. The bishop needs to know about this. The ambon is for the proclamation of the things of God, not for worldly political speeches.
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« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2014, 10:18:59 AM »

punch, do you drink fresh orange juice or other juices during the week?

I am VERY diabetic and I avoid juices for the most part.  When I do drink them, it is in small quantities.  More than 90% of the coffee that I drink is decafinated.  I save the good stuff to drink with my cigars  Wink  I have had stomach and heart problems for nearly all of my life, and diabetes for the last five years (probably longer, but that is another story).  Routine is VERY important for someone like me.  I can usually function quite well (and feel reasonably good) when I stick with my routine.  Sunday is a break from that routine, and I pay for that.

Won't your priest allow you to modify the pre-Communion fast if you are diabetic?  My understanding is that if you have a medical condition that requires you to eat something in the morning, your priest may allow you to eat a little something before coming to church.  It won't hurt to ask him.
My priest IS diabetic and must eat something in the morning. He also has a 45 minute drive to get to the church. One Sunday several years ago he nearly collapsed from not having eaten. We had to pause the Liturgy. Some lady found candies in her purse and he was able to resume. He has said quite recently that his doctor has really gotten on his case about eating responsibly.
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« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2014, 10:41:42 AM »

We have always been taught by our clergy that illnesses such as diabetes and other necessities are a basis to lessen or even avoid the fast. This is so obvious - Christ would not have us become physically ill as a consequence of participating in the Eucharist. I hate the term 'scrupulousity' as it doesn't really apply to Orthodox thought, perhaps excess legalism is the proper term, but I daresay that any priest within the churches I am familiar with (Greek, OCA and ACROD and UOC-USA) who would take a contrary pastoral position was improperly schooled or simply disobedient. There surely seems to be a lot of clerical disobedience out there if what posters relay is accurate. Perhaps much of what is posted anecdotally here is based upon folks being too literal with catechism lessons and simply 'assuming' that the legalistic point of view applies. Huh That's why I like to say talk to, or ask your pastor, about your problems or questions. There is no such thing as a 'stupid question' in my experience if it is asked in the spirit of wanting to learn and not 'correct' the behavior or perceived behavior of others.
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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2014, 12:04:26 PM »

punch, do you drink fresh orange juice or other juices during the week?

I am VERY diabetic and I avoid juices for the most part.  When I do drink them, it is in small quantities.  More than 90% of the coffee that I drink is decafinated.  I save the good stuff to drink with my cigars  Wink  I have had stomach and heart problems for nearly all of my life, and diabetes for the last five years (probably longer, but that is another story).  Routine is VERY important for someone like me.  I can usually function quite well (and feel reasonably good) when I stick with my routine.  Sunday is a break from that routine, and I pay for that.

Won't your priest allow you to modify the pre-Communion fast if you are diabetic?  My understanding is that if you have a medical condition that requires you to eat something in the morning, your priest may allow you to eat a little something before coming to church.  It won't hurt to ask him.
My priest IS diabetic and must eat something in the morning. He also has a 45 minute drive to get to the church. One Sunday several years ago he nearly collapsed from not having eaten. We had to pause the Liturgy. Some lady found candies in her purse and he was able to resume. He has said quite recently that his doctor has really gotten on his case about eating responsibly.

Another diabetic here - I'm a pre-catechumen, so I'm not fasting yet but it concerns me as to how I'm going to manage it when the time comes, 'cause I can't get by with just a little juice to tide me over in the mornings, I need something more substantial like a protein and carb.
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2014, 12:09:09 PM »

punch, do you drink fresh orange juice or other juices during the week?

I am VERY diabetic and I avoid juices for the most part.  When I do drink them, it is in small quantities.  More than 90% of the coffee that I drink is decafinated.  I save the good stuff to drink with my cigars  Wink  I have had stomach and heart problems for nearly all of my life, and diabetes for the last five years (probably longer, but that is another story).  Routine is VERY important for someone like me.  I can usually function quite well (and feel reasonably good) when I stick with my routine.  Sunday is a break from that routine, and I pay for that.

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My priest IS diabetic and must eat something in the morning. He also has a 45 minute drive to get to the church. One Sunday several years ago he nearly collapsed from not having eaten. We had to pause the Liturgy. Some lady found candies in her purse and he was able to resume. He has said quite recently that his doctor has really gotten on his case about eating responsibly.

Another diabetic here - I'm a pre-catechumen, so I'm not fasting yet but it concerns me as to how I'm going to manage it when the time comes, 'cause I can't get by with just a little juice to tide me over in the mornings, I need something more substantial like a protein and carb.

This should not be a concern, set your mind at ease.


  Take what Pod says below as 100% accurate and on the money.  No -sane- priest would make someone who will get ill fast like that. As you continue your studies, talk to the priest. 


We have always been taught by our clergy that illnesses such as diabetes and other necessities are a basis to lessen or even avoid the fast. This is so obvious - Christ would not have us become physically ill as a consequence of participating in the Eucharist. I hate the term 'scrupulousity' as it doesn't really apply to Orthodox thought, perhaps excess legalism is the proper term, but I daresay that any priest within the churches I am familiar with (Greek, OCA and ACROD and UOC-USA) who would take a contrary pastoral position was improperly schooled or simply disobedient.
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This should not be a concern, set your mind at ease.


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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2014, 05:12:11 PM »

You know when you get back from the pub with your mates and you think, "I know, lets keep drinking!"

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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2014, 09:34:48 AM »

This is an off the wall suggestion and for the men only - as men handle carbs differently than women - but you might try a BIG pasta dinner on Saturday nights.  Especially if you serve during liturgy.  Perhaps thinking of it as a race and preparing your body TO race will help. 

An after race message would be very good too.   Wink
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« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2014, 12:18:28 PM »

I went to matins and liturgy today. I am even still a little sick. I got up early too. I have no nap in my future. I went for the last 10 minutes of matins and of course the entire liturgy.
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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2014, 12:50:30 PM »

A lot depends on whether I'm with the family (Sundays) or by myself (weekdays). In the former case, I'm rather wired by having to keep half an eye on the young one at all times, and then getting everyone back home and starting on dinner, so I don't realise the drain until later, when I've racked up more reasons to be drained. In the latter case, I concentrate more and come out rather spacey, like after an intense study session, so I have to allow myself time to lie down when I get back home.
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« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2014, 02:33:42 PM »

I fell asleep for 45 minutes maybe. Attribute that to be I got under the weather.
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« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2014, 02:36:31 PM »

i wonder if all those of you who are tired on sundays are not getting enough sleep during the week.
i am only tired on sunday if i have been too busy during the week, with working very late and getting up early, or with too much social life.

today i 'unwound' after church by making injera (east african bread). it tastes lovely (i added sesame seeds and cumin this time).
it is not yet good enough for me to take to friends or to church, but i am getting lots of practice (yum!)
also i am not tired (i didn't eat it all! i left some for lunch tomorrow at work).

maybe a bread making session (with the family, if you have one) is a useful and productive way to relax after church.

username, i hope you feel better after your nap.
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« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2014, 02:38:14 PM »

I took a PLN for the first time in a while yesterday.  I always figure I'll get plenty of sleep in the grave so no need to rush it, so I usually don't nap.
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« Reply #71 on: August 18, 2014, 04:26:21 PM »

Sometimes, the comments on oc.net tempt one to turn to the bottle.

Would the aftereffects, be a "holy" hangover? (sorry.... Wink )
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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2014, 06:08:33 PM »

I took a PLN for the first time in a while yesterday.  I always figure I'll get plenty of sleep in the grave so no need to rush it, so I usually don't nap.

You sound like one of the holy fathers when you talk like that. 
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« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2014, 07:33:36 PM »

I took a PLN for the first time in a while yesterday.  I always figure I'll get plenty of sleep in the grave so no need to rush it, so I usually don't nap.

You sound like one of the holy fathers when you talk like that. 

Don't let him fool you. The only thing that sleeps more than he does is pictured below:


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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2014, 09:11:12 AM »

I took a PLN for the first time in a while yesterday.  I always figure I'll get plenty of sleep in the grave so no need to rush it, so I usually don't nap.

You sound like one of the holy fathers when you talk like that. 

Don't let him fool you. The only thing that sleeps more than he does is pictured below:




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« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2014, 10:43:27 AM »

I can nap quite well in Church when there is a sermon in Greek.
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« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2014, 12:07:05 PM »

I can nap quite well in Church when there is a sermon in Greek.

We all used to do it back in the day when there was a 'ponashemu' sermon and an English one.... "ponashemu' is the 'slang' word for the spoken Rusyn dialect. Today, if you want to snooze, you have to do it in English only.
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« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2014, 01:24:35 PM »

I can nap quite well in Church when there is a sermon in Greek.

We all used to do it back in the day when there was a 'ponashemu' sermon and an English one.... "ponashemu' is the 'slang' word for the spoken Rusyn dialect. Today, if you want to snooze, you have to do it in English only.

I thought about recording some, to listen to when I have insomnia. 
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« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2014, 01:27:45 PM »

I can nap quite well in Church when there is a sermon in Greek.

We all used to do it back in the day when there was a 'ponashemu' sermon and an English one.... "ponashemu' is the 'slang' word for the spoken Rusyn dialect. Today, if you want to snooze, you have to do it in English only.

I thought about recording some, to listen to when I have insomnia. 

As a kid I rarely got past 'Dear Brothers and sisters' if it wasn't in English!  Wink and back then, after the Sign of the Cross - and 'Slava Isusu Christu' every exhortation in  Rusyn or Ukrainian depending on where I was - began that way...Мої дорогі брати і сестри у Христі!
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« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2014, 11:56:00 PM »

To be fair concerning my post: I live a block away from a public university that has quite the party atmosphere.

I opened this thread expecting to read about those who are hungover, but still get their dehydrated carcass out of bed Sunday morning to go to Liturgy.
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« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2014, 12:13:15 AM »

Anybody have a "hangover" feeling after Divine Liturgy or many other services?
Going back to the mundane leaves a "down" feeling that I may best describe as a hangover; not sorrowful for the Liturgy but physically less than "clear" afterwards.
Sounds familiar?
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This is the original  post. Based on the statement, is it fair to say everyone posting here does not have this sensation (that is without introducing additional issues such as fasting and drinking the night before)?
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« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2014, 01:07:50 AM »

I can nap quite well in Church when there is a sermon in Greek.
Met. Kallistos Ware says that when people fall asleep during his talks he is reminded of the saints who prayed even as they were sleeping and concludes that they must be praying.  Wink
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